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Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Friday, July 01, 2011 - 9:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sarah was happy she was two years younger than her sister Lisa. But their older brother Jacob was the happiest of them all.
Potato (Potato)
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Was Jacob the happiest because he is the oldest?
Or was the reason an entirely different one?

Would Sarah also be happy if she was only one year younger than Lisa?
Three years?

Is Sarah HCF? HTF? HAF?
Is Lisa HCF? HTF? HAF?
Is Jacob HCM? HTM? HAM?

Any of these relevant?
School?
Work?
Allowance? Money in general?
Staying up?
Going out?
Driving?
Dating?
Sports?
Any kind of competition?
Cigarettes/alcohol?
Being allowed to vote?
Parents being more tolerant to the youngest?
Moving out?
Taxes?
Retirement?
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Friday, July 01, 2011 - 3:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant how much older Jacob is than Sarah and Lisa?
Are their parents relevant?
Other siblings relevant?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Friday, July 01, 2011 - 4:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Jacob the happiest because he is the oldest? no
Or was the reason an entirely different one? yes

Would Sarah also be happy if she was only one year younger than Lisa? yes
Three years? yes

Is Sarah HCF? HTF? this HAF?
Is Lisa HCF? HTF? this HAF?
Is Jacob HCM? HTM? HAM? this

Any of these relevant?
School?
Work?
Allowance? Money in general? money is somewhat relevant
Staying up?
Going out?
Driving?
Dating?
Sports?
Any kind of competition?
Cigarettes/alcohol?
Being allowed to vote?
Parents being more tolerant to the youngest?
Moving out?
Taxes?
Retirement?
no to rest

Relevant how much older Jacob is than Sarah and Lisa? no
Are their parents relevant? laterally
Other siblings relevant? no, assume it's only the three of them
Potato (Potato)
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Posted on Friday, July 01, 2011 - 6:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is having a job relevant?

Does Jacob work full-time?
And thus earns more than his siblings?

Does Lisa work part-time?
Does Lisa need/want clothes/an item/a makeover/a trip soon?
And her parents won't buy it for her?

And Sarah doesn't need the thing Lisa wants?
Would she need it as well once she's as old as Lisa?
Did Jacob need it when he was Lisa's age?
Does Sarah not have to work part-time?
Are the parents more willing to pay things for Sarah?
Is Sarah too young to work?

Relevant how old the siblings are exactly?
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Posted on Friday, July 01, 2011 - 9:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Age has nothing to do with this?

Is it because Sara gets more love and Jacob gets more money?

Age is just a misleading path?


Are Sarah and Lisa very young as compared to their brother?


Does Jacob love Sarah more?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Saturday, July 02, 2011 - 12:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is having a job relevant? no

Does Jacob work full-time? irrel
And thus earns more than his siblings? irrel

Does Lisa work part-time? irrel
Does Lisa need/want clothes/an item/a makeover/a trip soon? no
And her parents won't buy it for her? so no

And Sarah doesn't need the thing Lisa wants? no, but explore
Would she need it as well once she's as old as Lisa? no, but explose
Did Jacob need it when he was Lisa's age? No!
Does Sarah not have to work part-time? irrel
Are the parents more willing to pay things for Sarah? irrel
Is Sarah too young to work? irrel

Relevant how old the siblings are exactly? yesish

Age has nothing to do with this? it does have something to do with it

Is it because Sara gets more love and Jacob gets more money? no

Age is just a misleading path? no, it's relevant


Are Sarah and Lisa very young as compared to their brother? no


Does Jacob love Sarah more? irrel
Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
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Posted on Saturday, July 02, 2011 - 4:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a bodily function? Such as: Sarah doesn't need a bra yet; Lisa wants dental braces and Sarah doesn't; or maybe the menstrual cycle?
Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
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Posted on Saturday, July 02, 2011 - 4:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, I meant to add: And Jacob is happy because he needs none of these things?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Saturday, July 02, 2011 - 10:27 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Welcome to the forum!

Is it a bodily function? Such as: Sarah doesn't need a bra yet; Lisa wants dental braces and Sarah doesn't; or maybe the menstrual cycle? no, but you're definitely OTRT (on the right track)

Oh, I meant to add: And Jacob is happy because he needs none of these things? this is very OTRT, Jacob is happy because he doesn't need something.
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Posted on Saturday, July 02, 2011 - 12:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, female puberty is relevant?
Menstruation in general relevant?
Acne relevant?
Hair relevant?
Makeup relevant?
Negative body image relevant?
Feeling fat relevant?
Clothes relevant?
Shoes relevant?
Accessoires relevant?

Getting the permission for something relevant?
Like a piercing?
Or a tattoo?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Saturday, July 02, 2011 - 1:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, female puberty is relevant? yesish to yope
Menstruation in general relevant?
Acne relevant?
Hair relevant?
Makeup relevant?
Negative body image relevant?
Feeling fat relevant?
Clothes relevant?
Shoes relevant?
Accessoires relevant?
no to all

Getting the permission for something relevant?
Like a piercing?
Or a tattoo?
no to all
Biograd (Biograd)
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Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2011 - 9:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So is this something that men (or most men) never need? but adult women do need?

Is this "need" for as physical thing? or is it rather needing to do something? like having to cover up part of the body on a warm day?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2011 - 9:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So is this something that men (or most men) never need? yope but adult women do need? yope

Is this "need" for as physical thing? or is it rather needing to do something? like having to cover up part of the body on a warm day? hard to answer - I'll give you a hint: Lisa and Sarah need to do something once now...
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Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2011 - 9:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

waxing?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2011 - 10:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

waxing? no
Potato (Potato)
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Is a medical treatment relevant?
Gynaecological checkup relevant?
Vaccination relevant?
If so, is it a vaccination for cervical cancer?
Physical appearance relevant in a way?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2011 - 11:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is a medical treatment relevant? yes
Gynaecological checkup relevant? no
Vaccination relevant? yes!
If so, is it a vaccination for cervical cancer? YES!
Physical appearance relevant in a way? no
Potato (Potato)
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Posted on Monday, July 04, 2011 - 12:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, Jacob is happy because he doesn't need the vaccination, can't get cervical cancer in the first place, and earns money?

Is Lisa unhappy because she has to get the vaccination?
And is afraid of needles?
Or because she is too old for her insurance to pay for the vaccination?

And Sarah is happy because she is too young for the vaccination?
Or because she is young enough for her insurance to pay for it?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Monday, July 04, 2011 - 9:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, Jacob is happy because he doesn't need the vaccination, yes can't get cervical cancer in the first place yes, and earns money? irrel or no

Is Lisa unhappy because she has to get the vaccination? no
And is afraid of needles? no
Or because she is too old for her insurance to pay for the vaccination? yes

And Sarah is happy because she is too young for the vaccination? no
Or because she is young enough for her insurance to pay for it? yes - We have everything we need for the

********SPOILER********
The puzzle is about getting a HPV vaccination. HPV is one of the main causes of cervical cancer so that the vaccination is recommended for teenage girls and young women. In Germany, it's currently covered by health insurance for girls aged 12 to 17.

Sarah is 16 years old, so she won't have to pay for the vaccination.
Her sister Lisa is 18 years old, and since her parents are against vaccinations they make her daughter pay for it.
Jacob, being a boy, does not have to worry about getting the vaccination at all.


This went faster than expected - great work, folks! (:
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Monday, July 04, 2011 - 9:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It's their daughter, not her daughter.
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2011 - 3:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Um, not to be a pain, but both HPV vaccines have been approved for use in boys as well as girls since 2009. While complications from HPV are less common in boys, the vaccine does protect boys against genital warts, penile cancer, and anal cancer by preventing lesions caused by HPV in males.
Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2011 - 5:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Maybe iz diffrunt in germany, vesica kitteh? *shrugs* here, kittehz can haz cheezburgur. =) *shares between doriana, vesica and everyone*
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2011 - 6:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Vesica - that's why I said "yope" to "So is this something that men (or most men) never need?". In Germany, it's still considered a girls' vaccination and it's usually administered by gynaecologists.
There are no mandatory vaccines in Germany, but we do have strong recommendations - the HPV vaccine is currently recommend for girls only.
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2011 - 7:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

AH! Sorry, skimmed too fast. :D

Interesting puzzle. I never guessed that's where it was headed when I started working on this one. Thanks for the food for thought!
Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
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Posted on Friday, July 08, 2011 - 7:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Doriana, what a brilliant puzzle. It's difficult, but basic facts are available, and best of all, it reminds us to think about ourselves and our families.

OH, and thanks for the welcome!
(I published a story once in which the lady had your name. Yay!)
Cheers from rainy Miami,
Fiona

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