| Author | Message | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 1036 Registered: 9-2003 |
Something relatively simple to get myself back into the swing of things...early $poilers, please e-mail me here (remove spam blockers first). Title: Motivation Difficulty: Easy Type: Based on a joke Story: But he did! To Solve: What did he do? Why and how did he do it? Specialized Knowledge needed: None needed Good luck! | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1699 Registered: 8-2001 |
He = HAM? Alive? Time period relevant? Nowish? Country relevant? Specific location relevant? (as in house, park, bar, etc.) Any other relevant parties here? One? More than one? While based on a joke, could this happen in real life? Is his profession relevant? | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 1037 Registered: 9-2003 |
Vesica He = HAM? Yes Alive? Yes Time period relevant? Not really... Nowish? ...but the joke on which this puzzle was based is set in present times. Country relevant? No, but as far as I know this joke originated in America. Specific location relevant? (as in house, park, bar, etc.) Yes Any other relevant parties here? Yes One? This one -- and he too is a HAM. More than one? No While based on a joke, could this happen in real life? Possible, but unlikely. Is his profession relevant? No | ||
| Solitiare (Solitiare)
New member Username: Solitiare Post Number: 4 Registered: 7-2011 |
Is it relevant that both are HAMs? Would it not work - or not be funny - if one or both were HAFs? | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 1040 Registered: 9-2003 |
Solitiare Is it relevant that both are HAMs? No, though this joke probably wouldn't work with babies, toddlers, and young children Would it not work - or not be funny - if one or both were HAFs? See previous answer. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1720 Registered: 12-2010 |
The specific location - a private residence? shop? mall? restaurant? bar? hotel? office? school? some kind of vehicle? park? | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 1041 Registered: 9-2003 |
Doriana The specific location - a private residence? shop? mall? restaurant? bar? hotel? office? school? some kind of vehicle? park? No to all | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1335 Registered: 2-2011 |
outdoors? a church? a public building? sports or leisure centre? museum? library? | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 1042 Registered: 9-2003 |
Shez outdoors? Yes a church? a public building? sports or leisure centre? museum? library? No to the rest, though church is getting close to the right forest. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14018 Registered: 4-2010 |
A religious building? A building at all? A shrine? Cemetery/graveyard? Synagogue? Mosque? Temple? | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 1043 Registered: 9-2003 |
Balin A religious building? A building at all? A shrine? Cemetery/graveyard? This one Synagogue? Mosque? Temple? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14027 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he find a dead body in the cemetery? Was he a cop? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1381 Registered: 2-2011 |
did he see something relevant? | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 1044 Registered: 9-2003 |
Balin Did he find a dead body in the cemetery? Was he a cop? Which "he" were you referring to? Remember that there are two relevant HAMs to the puzzle. That said, the answer to "No" to both questions for both HAMs. On a totally unrelated note, could you please e-mail me what you saved from my limbo'ed puzzle? If you no longer have it, I'll just start anew. Shez did he see something relevant? Once again, which "he" are you referring to? That said, the answer is still "No" to this question for both HAMs. To avoid confusion, let's call the HAM referenced in the puzzle statement John, and the other relevant HAM Fred. Now then... | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1398 Registered: 2-2011 |
so John went to the cemetery? did he go there to meet someone? to look at something? to look for something? to hide? time of day relevant? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14036 Registered: 4-2010 |
Like I said in the chat, it's on my computer...which I won't have until tomorrow night. I will email it later this weekend. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14045 Registered: 4-2010 |
Sent. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14046 Registered: 4-2010 |
Make that "attempted to send." I got an email saying the message never sent and that your email address does not exist. Any idea why? | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 1045 Registered: 9-2003 |
Shez so John went to the cemetery? Yes did he go there to meet someone? to look at something? to look for something? No to the rest. to hide? No, but good thinking. time of day relevant? Yes, good question. Balin Make that "attempted to send." I got an email saying the message never sent and that your email address does not exist. Any idea why? Most likely because that account doesn't exist anymore. Please try sending an e-mail to the link I posted at the top of this thread. Don't forget to remove the spam blockers. And thanks very much for doing this for me. Appreciate it. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14047 Registered: 4-2010 |
I tried sending it but it got bounced back again. How do I remove the spam blockers? Or, could you email me so I can make sure I've got the right address? Time of day -- morning? Noon? Afternoon? Night? Or is the specific hour/minute relevant? Was Fred in the cemetery? Did Fred know John was going to the cemetery? | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 1046 Registered: 9-2003 |
I tried sending it but it got bounced back again. How do I remove the spam blockers? Or, could you email me so I can make sure I've got the right address? E-mail sent to you. Time of day -- morning? Noon? Afternoon? Night? This one Or is the specific hour/minute relevant? Was Fred in the cemetery? Yes Did Fred know John was going to the cemetery? No, and a little bit of a FA here. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1411 Registered: 2-2011 |
did John go there to sleep? did he just end up there by mistake? was he just wandering through on his way to somewhere else? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14049 Registered: 4-2010 |
Sent...finally. Did Fred work in the cemetery? Random thought: Is Fred alive? If not, is he buried in the cemetery? | ||
| Ostap (Ostap)
New member Username: Ostap Post Number: 99 Registered: 6-2005 |
Did John and Fred go to the cemetery together? Did they meet there? Did they meet at all? | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 1047 Registered: 9-2003 |
Shez did John go there to sleep? No did he just end up there by mistake? No was he just wandering through on his way to somewhere else? Yes -- good question! Balin Sent...finally. And received...thank you very much!! :-) Did Fred work in the cemetery? No Random thought: Is Fred alive? Yes If not, is he buried in the cemetery? No, but good thinking. Ostap Did John and Fred go to the cemetery together? No Did they meet there? Yope Did they meet at all? laeftr | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14080 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the date relevant? Is it Halloween? Is it relevant where John was going? Coming from? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1432 Registered: 2-2011 |
did John and Fred see each other for the first time in the cemetery? or at least did John see Fred for the first time? did John get a shock? | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 1048 Registered: 9-2003 |
Balin Is the date relevant? No Is it Halloween? Irrelevant Is it relevant where John was going? Not really. In the joke, John was going home, so we can use that to "flesh out" the story. But John could really be headed anywhere and it wouldn't have made a difference to the joke. Coming from? No. The joke doesn't even bother referencing where John came from. Shez did John and Fred see each other for the first time in the cemetery? Yope or at least did John see Fred for the first time? No did John get a shock? Yes :-) | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1437 Registered: 2-2011 |
I think I might know this - but my email was rejected - so I'll just say, did John fall into an open grave? | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 1075 Registered: 9-2003 |
Shez I think I might know this - but my email was rejected - so I'll just say, did John fall into an open grave? Did you strip the spamblockers from my e-mail address in the link up top? But to answer your question, the answer is yes. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1439 Registered: 2-2011 |
thanks H. I'll back out now | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14087 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was Fred already in the open grave? Sleeping? But John thought he was dead? And was even more shocked when he wasn't? | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 225 Registered: 7-2011 |
Is it relevant re: Fred alive or asleep in the grave? Were they playing? were they playing a trick on somebody else? Were they actors being filmed? Such as actors on "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"? Is it relevant whether they have / can use cell phones? Fun stuff, Haenlomal! | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 237 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was this an instance of the philosophical principle where the mere uttering of a true statement changes its status to false? | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 1076 Registered: 9-2003 |
Shez thanks H. I'll back out now Sure thing! Thanks for dropping in. Balin Was Fred already in the open grave? Yes Sleeping? No But John thought he was dead? FA And was even more shocked when he wasn't? The same FA Fionakelleghan Is it relevant re: Fred alive or asleep in the grave? Fred is alive, but not asleep, in the grave. These facts are relevant. Were they playing? No were they playing a trick on somebody else? No Were they actors being filmed? No, but good thinking Such as actors on "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"? No Is it relevant whether they have / can use cell phones? Irrelevant, though I suppose this situation would be much more unlikely to occur if they had access to cell phones. Fun stuff, Haenlomal! Glad you approve. Abc Hello. Long time no see, Torgeir. Was this an instance of the philosophical principle where the mere uttering of a true statement changes its status to false? No, nothing like this -- remember that this puzzle is based on a joke!} | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14179 Registered: 4-2010 |
Had Fred fallen into the open grave? Was Fred alive? Did Fred cause John's fall? Directly? Indirectly? | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 1078 Registered: 9-2003 |
Balin Had Fred fallen into the open grave? Yes Was Fred alive? Yes Did Fred cause John's fall? No Directly? No Indirectly? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14205 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was Fred still in the grave when John fell in? Did Fred fall in first? | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 262 Registered: 7-2011 |
Augghh! We're having a lightning storm here in Miami and I lost all the questions I had typed, before I could post them. Won't make THAT mistake again. OK, Haen, Fred is in the grave but he does not work there. Is he digging? If he's digging, is it for his own, loike, moon-lighting efforts to find something? | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 263 Registered: 7-2011 |
John is strolling through the cemetery, not expecting to have any adventures? Are his night-strolling thoughts important? Or are his thoughts more important when he encounters Fred? | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 264 Registered: 7-2011 |
Do Fred and John speak? Is their conversation the crux of the riddle? Do they decide to help each other in some weird graveyard task, or do they say the hell with it and go out for beer? Is one of them trying to hide something from the other? You said, earlier, no cops: but was there anything in the business from slightly shady to heinous felony? | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 265 Registered: 7-2011 |
Your title "Motivation" is intriguing. Did Fred arrive at the graveyard with motivation? When John came along, was the motivation out in the open for anyone to see, or was one man or the other trying to conceal any reason(s) for his motivation? You said it's night time, correct? Late evening? Moon rising? Full midnight? Early hours of the morning? Any relevent? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 251 Registered: 7-2006 |
And hello to you, too! Was this an instance of the philosophical principle where the mere uttering of a true statement changes its status to false? No, nothing like this -- remember that this puzzle is based on a joke! I was well aware of that. But many jokes are based on such principles. Perhaps you could read the question again and think it over whether it could have some merit? | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 1080 Registered: 9-2003 |
Balin Was Fred still in the grave when John fell in? Yes Did Fred fall in first? Yes Fionakelleghan...several times =P Augghh! We're having a lightning storm here in Miami and I lost all the questions I had typed, before I could post them. Won't make THAT mistake again. Sorry to hear that...hope you didn't have to do too much re-typing. OK, Haen, Fred is in the grave but he does not work there. Is he digging? No If he's digging, is it for his own, loike, moon-lighting efforts to find something? No John is strolling through the cemetery, not expecting to have any adventures? I guess you can put it that way, yes. Are his night-strolling thoughts important? No Or are his thoughts more important when he encounters Fred? No...what John's thinking is irrelevant. Do Fred and John speak? Yope Is their conversation the crux of the riddle? It's certainly a relevant and important part of the joke, but keep in mind my answer to your previous question! Do they decide to help each other in some weird graveyard task, or do they say the hell with it and go out for beer? No, nothing like this. Is one of them trying to hide something from the other? No You said, earlier, no cops: but was there anything in the business from slightly shady to heinous felony? No Your title "Motivation" is intriguing. As usual, my puzzle titles have some degree of relevance to the actual puzzle itself. Exactly how high the degree of relevance is is something for the rest of you to discover. =) Did Fred arrive at the graveyard with motivation? No When John came along, was the motivation out in the open for anyone to see, or was one man or the other trying to conceal any reason(s) for his motivation? FA You said it's night time, correct? Yes Late evening? Moon rising? Full midnight? Early hours of the morning? Any relevent? Let's just say it dark enough so that objects and people are not readily visible. Abc And hello to you, too! Was this an instance of the philosophical principle where the mere uttering of a true statement changes its status to false? No, nothing like this -- remember that this puzzle is based on a joke! I was well aware of that. But many jokes are based on such principles. Perhaps you could read the question again and think it over whether it could have some merit? Ah. I see what you mean. Once you put it this way, I suppose the answer is yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14230 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it relevant how long they were in the grave? Did either Fred or John sleep in the grave? If so, which? Did someone start filling in the grave? | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 287 Registered: 7-2011 |
Can you tell us the time in seconds or minutes between when Fred fell in and when John fell in? Since it's based on a joke, are we looking for an example of: physical humor? punning? (Shakespearian puns?) absurdist humor? --> (I can clarify if necess.) Is the crux of the joke that they both fell into the open hole? Is the crux what they both say after falling in? or colliding? Is it that they recognize each other? don't recognize each other? Is it perfectly okay with their community that they both wind up in the same place, by accident, on a dark night? - In other words, frex, they aren't going to get in trouble if they get home late to their wives, or be late getting to work? (That kind of thing. And that kind of thing was popular during vaudeville days, so maybe too ancient for this puzzle.) (I've wavered about saying this next parenthetical bit for several minutes. But because I want to praise you, I want shyly to mention that I'm considered an expert on humor in the science fiction and fantasy fields. Which means a broad reading background on humor in general. I am certainly not saying this to show off. And, er, I certainly kinda sorta say it in case you want to look on Amazon to glance over my last book. Sorry, Haen, my point was: you have stumped a master! So, good onya, mate! Really enjoying this.) | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 975 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did anyone of them assume that the other is dead? | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 1083 Registered: 9-2003 |
Balin Is it relevant how long they were in the grave? Yes Did either Fred or John sleep in the grave? No If so, which? Did someone start filling in the grave? No Fionakelleghan Can you tell us the time in seconds or minutes between when Fred fell in and when John fell in? The source doesn't say...but I'd imagine it being the neighbourhood of a half-hour to an hour. That said, it definitely can't be a few seconds or a few minutes. Since it's based on a joke, are we looking for an example of: physical humor? punning? (Shakespearian puns?) absurdist humor? --> (I can clarify if necess.) None of these. Is the crux of the joke that they both fell into the open hole? They both did fall into the hole, but that's not the crux of the joke. Is the crux what they both say after falling in? Well, one of them, at any rate or colliding? They did not collide Is it that they recognize each other? don't recognize each other? Fred and John don't know each other, if that's what you were asking. Is it perfectly okay with their community that they both wind up in the same place, by accident, on a dark night? - In other words, frex, they aren't going to get in trouble if they get home late to their wives, or be late getting to work? LOL...nothing like this, I'm afraid, but that would have been funny! (That kind of thing. And that kind of thing was popular during vaudeville days, so maybe too ancient for this puzzle.) (I've wavered about saying this next parenthetical bit for several minutes. But because I want to praise you, I want shyly to mention that I'm considered an expert on humor in the science fiction and fantasy fields. Which means a broad reading background on humor in general. I am certainly not saying this to show off. And, er, I certainly kinda sorta say it in case you want to look on Amazon to glance over my last book. Sorry, Haen, my point was: you have stumped a master! So, good onya, mate! Really enjoying this.) Glad you enjoy it. Do you write under the name "Fiona Kelleghan", or some other pen name? I'm an aspiring writer in the sci-fi/fantasy genre myself, but just can't seem to find the time to get myself published... Redwine Did anyone of them assume that the other is dead? YES -- good question!! Some good questions have been posed in the last few posts...shouldn't be too long now. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14334 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did John think Fred was dead? The other way round? | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 1085 Registered: 9-2003 |
Balin Did John think Fred was dead? Yes The other way round? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14379 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did John fall on Fred? Did Fred react to John's fall? But John thought Fred was dead? Which scared the dickens out of John? | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 1088 Registered: 9-2003 |
Balin Did John fall on Fred? No Did Fred react to John's fall? Yope But John thought Fred was dead? Yes Which scared the dickens out of John? Yes I should add here that it seems that you may be labouring under a FA. | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 446 Registered: 9-2006 |
Was Fred standing when John fell? Neither Fred or John died after falling, right? Was Fred doing anything illegal inside the grave? Did John think Fred was a zombie/living dead? Because Fred was dressed as such (going to a fantasy party, perhaps)? | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 314 Registered: 7-2011 |
What a great Halloween-ish puzzle this is! And I know a lot of jokes, most of which are unsuited to polite friendship, but I have no idea where we're going here. Balin, you seem to be on the right track, despite the "FA" - and Danielvs, you've started me thinking on a different track. Our title is "Motivation." Haenlomal, I'd like to return to that, and ask: Does the motivation reside in John? In Fred? Or in someone who knows them? Is the motivation created (in John's mind or in Fred's mind) by this bizarre situation? Is the motivation simply to get out of this problem? Or does the motivation occur after Fred and John have realized what's happened? Do both John and Fred come out of this situation alive? Should we ask about any conversation they might have? I did kinda ask that earlier - now I'm asking whether we should ask for details of their talk. Should we ask whether some extra ingredient entered the story - such as a dog, a newspaper deliverer, a crew of diggers for a new grave? I'm mystified, and loving it. Fiona PS: Haenlomal, I would love to talk with you about writing SF & F & Horror, or whatever you like. We should take this elsewhere - but I've been having trouble with my AOL account. I'll find a way to fix it, though, or we can talk in a chat list. Cheers, mate! | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 872 Registered: 6-2003 |
Is the statement "But he did" made by John? by Fred? while being in the grave? afterwards, while telling this story to somebody else? Would it help to find out what Fred did do in the grave? Did he enter the grave on purpose? Did he fall in? Was he sleeping there? but woke up when John fell upon him? Was he there sitting? drinking? digging out something? hiding something? struggling to get out? Was Fred somehow involved in digging out the grave? was it a fresh grave? did Fred know who was going to be buried there? | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 1091 Registered: 9-2003 |
Danielvs Was Fred standing when John fell? The joke never explicitly states this, but probably not Neither Fred or John died after falling, right? Yes Was Fred doing anything illegal inside the grave? No Did John think Fred was a zombie/living dead? The joke doesn't explicitly state what John was thinking, but this is definitely a possibility Because Fred was dressed as such (going to a fantasy party, perhaps)? No Fionakelleghan What a great Halloween-ish puzzle this is! And I know a lot of jokes, most of which are unsuited to polite friendship, but I have no idea where we're going here. Balin, you seem to be on the right track, despite the "FA" - and Danielvs, you've started me thinking on a different track. Our title is "Motivation." Haenlomal, I'd like to return to that, and ask: Does the motivation reside in John? YES -- good question! In Fred? NO -- equally good question! Or in someone who knows them? No other parties are relevant to this puzzle other than Fred and John. Is the motivation created (in John's mind or in Fred's mind) by this bizarre situation? John's mind -- and figuring out what caused John's motivation and Fred's lack of motivation is the heart of this puzzle. Do this, and this puzzle is over. Is the motivation simply to get out of this problem? Yes'ish Or does the motivation occur after Fred and John have realized what's happened? A little bit of a FA here... Do both John and Fred come out of this situation alive? Yes Should we ask about any conversation they might have? Yes, though "conversation" may not be all that accurate... I did kinda ask that earlier - now I'm asking whether we should ask for details of their talk. That would be a very good idea. Should we ask whether some extra ingredient entered the story - such as a dog, a newspaper deliverer, a crew of diggers for a new grave? No -- no one else is relevant. I'm mystified, and loving it. Glad you approve. Fiona PS: Haenlomal, I would love to talk with you about writing SF & F & Horror, or whatever you like. We should take this elsewhere - but I've been having trouble with my AOL account. I'll find a way to fix it, though, or we can talk in a chat list. Cheers, mate! Well, whenever you fix your e-mail, please drop me a line. You can find my e-mail address in my profile. Sundowner It is good to see you again, Jens. Is the statement "But he did" made by John? by Fred? while being in the grave? afterwards, while telling this story to somebody else? Neither -- this statement would have been made by the narrator after the events of the joke/puzzle. Also recall that the "he" in the puzzle statement refers to John -- a fact that was uncovered quite early in this puzzle. Would it help to find out what Fred did do in the grave? Yes Did he enter the grave on purpose? NO -- good question! Did he fall in? YES! Was he sleeping there? Well, he was resting, at any rate but woke up when John fell upon him? Well, John did not fall on top of him, but most assuredly Fred noticed it when John fell in. Was he there sitting? drinking? digging out something? hiding something? struggling to get out? I assume you are still referring to Fred. In that case, his actions depend on the time -- recall that he'd have been in the grave for some time when John fell in. At the time of John's fall, though, I imagine Fred would've been sitting, though the joke never explicitly mentions this. Was Fred somehow involved in digging out the grave? No was it a fresh grave? Yes did Fred know who was going to be buried there? Seeing that Fred didn't know about the grave prior to his fall, I'd guess no. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14458 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did John think that Fred was dead? Did Fred say anything to John? Vice versa? | ||
| Mimino (Mimino)
New member Username: Mimino Post Number: 71 Registered: 6-2005 |
Relevant how long Fred was in the grave? less than one hour? less than 6 hours? less than one day? more? Did he ever try to get out during this time? Was he hiding in the grave? Did Fred do anything else relevant besides sitting when John fell in? did he smoke? Did John in any way interact with Fred? say something to him? touch him? hit him? John's profession relevant? Did he try to sell Fred a life insurance? | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 327 Registered: 7-2011 |
(Mimino, love your questions!) Okay, John fell on Fred, or they collided, and ... maybe any conversation had to do with them yelling at each other (?). This feels SO much like an Irish joke. Well, hey! If I'm right, then does the story go ... um... (1) John thought he would visit his father's grave, or (2) John promised someone to visit someone's grave, or (3) John was motivated for some f'n reason to wander directly over to that part of the cemetery, and (4) he certainly did not want to discover someone alive there... Here I am, with the great Irish name Fiona Kelleghan, and I am baffled. (Hey, I'm a humor scholar; not a humor writer!) Okay... did John want to visit his father's grave, was a bit drunk, wanted to apologize for being a bad son, and then said, "Whoa bejasus, now you're coming back up to yell at me again?" Or something similar? Haenlomal, I can't wait to read your Solution to this. I think we should all agree, though, that this is definitely a vivid and Halloween-perfect story! Cheers all.... | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 1094 Registered: 9-2003 |
Balin Did John think that Fred was dead? Yes, but... Did Fred say anything to John? Yes Vice versa? No Mimino Relevant how long Fred was in the grave? less than one hour? less than 6 hours? less than one day? more? As previously discovered, the joke never specified the exact time Fred was in the grave. However, given the events in the joke, I'd say Fred was in the grave for at least a half-hour before John joined him. Did he ever try to get out during this time? Yes Was he hiding in the grave? No Did Fred do anything else relevant besides sitting when John fell in? No did he smoke? No Did John in any way interact with Fred? No say something to him? No touch him? No hit him? No John's profession relevant? No Did he try to sell Fred a life insurance? Haha...no, but good question. Fionakelleghan (Mimino, love your questions!) Okay, John fell on Fred, or they collided, and ... maybe any conversation had to do with them yelling at each other (?). Actually, John did NOT fall on Fred, and John indeed never spoke to Fred. However, as Balin discovered, Fred did say something relevant to John. This feels SO much like an Irish joke. I'm not sure if this is an Irish joke or not, but it's a good one...at least, in my humble opinion. :-) Well, hey! If I'm right, then does the story go ... um... (1) John thought he would visit his father's grave, or (2) John promised someone to visit someone's grave, or (3) John was motivated for some f'n reason to wander directly over to that part of the cemetery, and (4) he certainly did not want to discover someone alive there... Here I am, with the great Irish name Fiona Kelleghan, and I am baffled. (Hey, I'm a humor scholar; not a humor writer!) Okay... did John want to visit his father's grave, was a bit drunk, wanted to apologize for being a bad son, and then said, "Whoa bejasus, now you're coming back up to yell at me again?" Or something similar? Sorry, nothing like that. Haenlomal, I can't wait to read your Solution to this. I think we should all agree, though, that this is definitely a vivid and Halloween-perfect story! Cheers all.... | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4238 Registered: 9-2009 |
I have a suspicion that I've heard this story, emailed. | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 892 Registered: 6-2003 |
Did Fred talk to John immediately after John fell in? Did he greet John? Did he explain why he is in the grave? Did Fred mistake John for somebody else? Did John respond in any way to what Fred said? by doing something? Does the "But he did" refer to something John actually did? and Fred was only talking about? | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 1096 Registered: 9-2003 |
Galfisk I have a suspicion that I've heard this story, emailed. E-mail checked, and yes, that is the correct solution. Well done! Sundowner Did Fred talk to John immediately after John fell in? No, good question Did he greet John? So no to this as well Did he explain why he is in the grave? And no to this as well Did Fred mistake John for somebody else? Irrelevant Did John respond in any way to what Fred said? Yes by doing something? Yes Does the "But he did" refer to something John actually did? Yes and Fred was only talking about? Yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14510 Registered: 4-2010 |
You really should have known that by calling this "relatively simple" it would take this long... Was Fred knocked out by John's fall? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1022 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did Fred say something along the lines "you will not get away from here"? | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 1097 Registered: 9-2003 |
Balin You really should have known that by calling this "relatively simple" it would take this long... You (collectively speaking) actually have almost all the information needed to solve this puzzle. It's just that people seem to be dancing around the solution... Was Fred knocked out by John's fall? As indicated before, John did not fall on Fred. As a matter of fact, John did not even touch Fred when he fell down into the grave. Redwine Did Fred say something along the lines "you will not get away from here"? YES! Good question. Can someone now put everything together and put this puzzle out of its misery? :-) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14529 Registered: 4-2010 |
Had Fred been in the grave for a long time? Did he tell John he wasn't likely to get out either? Did this scare the bejeezus out of John? Did he scramble out of the grave from fear (the "But he did!" of the statement)? | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 1098 Registered: 9-2003 |
Balin Had Fred been in the grave for a long time? Did he tell John he wasn't likely to get out either? Did this scare the bejeezus out of John? Did he scramble out of the grave from fear (the "But he did!" of the statement)? This is more than close enough to justify a... ******* SPOILER ******* I'll simply quote the joke verbatim and let it speak for itself. ========== Motivation There was a young man who took a short cut home late one night through the cemetery. And he fell in an open grave. He called, he tried to climb. To no avail. There was no one around to hear his cries or lend a hand. So he settled down for the night in a corner of the darkened grave to wait for morning. A little while later another person came along the same route through the cemetery, taking the same short cut and fell in the same grave. He started clawing and shouting and trying to get out just as the first had done. Suddenly, the second fellow heard a voice come out of the dark corner of the grave saying, “You can’t get out of here.” But he did! ========== Thanks to all who played, and special mention to Balin, who put in most of the work! If you should ever find yourself stuck in an open grave, may you receive, urm, motivation in a better form than this poor fellow did! |
