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Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Monday, August 15, 2011 - 9:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When Nick took his new t-shirt out of the laundry machine, he got really angry.

This puzzle is based on a recent event that got a lot of media attention in Germany. I don't know about other countries, but in any case - early $poilerz please e-mail.
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Is it relevant that the shirt was new? Had he worn it before?
Nick = H? A? M? Is any other person relevant?
Angry -- at himself? At the shirt? The machine? Someone else?
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Did the event occur in Germany? Any political considerations? is the term "Blueshirt" relevant?
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please see email
Doriana (Doriana)
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Is it relevant that the shirt was new? yes Had he worn it before? maybe once
Nick = H? A? M? yes Is any other person relevant? yes
Angry -- at himself? At the shirt? The machine? Someone else? probably at all of them, but mostly at someone else

Did the event occur in Germany? yes Any political considerations? yes is the term "Blueshirt" relevant? no

please see email replied
Balin (Balin)
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Other person(s) relevant: just one? 2? 3? More? Lots more? H? A? M?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Other person(s) relevant: just one? 2? 3? More? Lots more? more... H? A? M? but one H/A/irrel is directly relevant. Feel free to choose a name
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How about Courtney? That's a unisex name.

Is the washing machine in a public place? In a house? In Nick's house? In Courtney's?
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How about Courtney? That's a unisex name. ok

Is the washing machine in a public place? In a house? In Nick's house? assume it's in Nick's house In Courtney's? no
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Just making sure -- is this a washing machine? Or a dryer?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Just making sure -- is this a washing machine? Or a dryer? a washing machine
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Did the T-shirt change colour in the wash? Was it blue to begin with? Did it turn brown? Nazis or neo-nazis relevant?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Did the T-shirt change colour in the wash? noish, but explore Was it blue to begin with? no Did it turn brown? no Nazis or neo-nazis relevant? YES, neo-nazis, very good q
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Hmm could the condition of the T-shirt when it came out of the machine have implied that Nick was a neo-nazi? Was Nick in fact a neo-nazi?

Did the garment shrink by any chance?

Was he attempting to wash something off his t-shirt and failed?

Are swastikas relevant?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Hmm could the condition of the T-shirt when it came out of the machine have implied that Nick was a neo-nazi? no Was Nick in fact a neo-nazi? YES

Did the garment shrink by any chance? no

Was he attempting to wash something off his t-shirt and failed? no

Are swastikas relevant? no
Balin (Balin)
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Is Courtney a neo-nazi as well?
Did the color of the shirt fade? Is the shirt's color relevant?
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Is Courtney a neo-nazi as well? NO, good q!
Did the color of the shirt fade? yope, explore Is the shirt's color relevant? yesish
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Did the shirt color fade in the wash?
Did part of the shirt color bleed into another area of the shirt?

Does the shirt, now washed, imply that Nick is not a Neo-Nazi?
Does it imply that he is part of some other group?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Did the shirt color fade in the wash? yope
Did part of the shirt color bleed into another area of the shirt? no

Does the shirt, now washed, imply that Nick is not a Neo-Nazi? yes
Does it imply that he is part of some other group? noish, but explore
Balin (Balin)
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Does Courtney know Nick is a neo-nazi? Does Nick know that Courtney isn't?

Is Courtney's relationship to Nick relevant?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Does Courtney know Nick is a neo-nazi? yes Does Nick know that Courtney isn't? no - important q's!

Is Courtney's relationship to Nick relevant? yes, they're strangers
Balin (Balin)
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Does Courtney know Nick is a neo-nazi because of the shirt? Did Nick take anything else out of the washing machine? Had he put anything else in?
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Was there something written on the T-shirt? Something that got washed out (partly or completely)?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Does Courtney know Nick is a neo-nazi because of the shirt? no Did Nick take anything else out of the washing machine? irrel Had he put anything else in? irrel

Was there something written on the T-shirt? YES Something that got washed out (partly or completely)? yes, investigate
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Was it written in German? (Ich spreche kein Deutsch!!! :o) ). Did one or more letters vanish?
Was it a sentence? A word?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Was it written in German? yes, but irrel (Ich spreche kein Deutsch!!! :o) ). Did one or more letters vanish? all of them vanished - explore
Was it a sentence? A word? several words, but they didn't form a complete sentence - more like a slogan
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Did the letters leave an imprint on the shirt? Did it read something else?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Did the letters leave an imprint on the shirt? no Did it read something else? yes
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Did Nick have a tattoo?
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Did Nick have a tattoo? irrel
Balin (Balin)
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Did all of the letters completely fade? Partially fade? Did some completely fade and some partially fade?
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Content of the 'slogan': racist? related to neo-nazi ideas?
If all the letters vanished, was there something left on the T-shirt, such as a symbol? somthing else?
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Did all of the letters completely fade? this Partially fade? Did some completely fade and some partially fade? no to rest

Content of the 'slogan': racist? no related to neo-nazi ideas? yesish
If all the letters vanished, was there something left on the T-shirt, such as a symbol? yes, but not a symbol somthing else? so, this

HINT: Find out more about Courtney's role
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Does Courtney's role involve the shirt? The laundry? The washing machine?
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Does Courtney's role involve the shirt? this, no to rest The laundry? The washing machine?
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Did Courtney sell Nick the shirt? Did he make it?
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Did Courtney sell Nick the shirt? not sell, but... Did he make it? yesish
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give it to Nick?
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give it to Nick? yes

I think a little RECAP might be helpful. Let's see what we have found out so far...
Nick is a neo-nazi, Courtney is not. Courtney, who knows that Nick is a neo-nazi, gives him a t-shirt with a nationalist slogan.
When Nick takes it out of the washing machine, the slogan has faded completely and something else was visible on the t-shirt.
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Did Nick get angry at Courtney because, after seeing what was now visible on the T-shirt, he realized Courtney was not a neo-nazi (contrary to what he had thought)?
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The "something else" visible -- did it make fun of Nick? Of neo-nazis?
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Did Nick get angry at Courtney because, after seeing what was now visible on the T-shirt, he realized Courtney was not a neo-nazi (contrary to what he had thought)? yes with a slight ish

The "something else" visible -- did it make fun of Nick? Of neo-nazis? DOYD of "make fun of", but explore

Two very helpful questions (:
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Was there an image on the shirt as well? Did that wash away too? Part of it?
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Was there an image on the shirt as well? yes Did that wash away too? Part of it? part of it
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Did Courtney know the letters would vanish after the washing process? And that there was such an image underneath the slogan?
Was Courtney trying to teach Nick a lesson (I mean, trying to make Nick change his neo-nazi ideas)?
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Did Courtney know the letters would vanish after the washing process? yes And that there was such an image underneath the slogan? yes
Was Courtney trying to teach Nick a lesson (I mean, trying to make Nick change his neo-nazi ideas)? yes! Very good round of q's, and we have found everything for the

********SPOILER********
Courtney works for an organisation called Exit that tries to convince neo-nazis to change their ideas.
At a right-wing concert, he and his co-workers give out free t-shirts with a skull and the slogan "Hardcore Rebels - National and Free."
Nick gets one of those t-shirts and takes it home where he washes it. Too bad there's a hidden message on the t-shirt: When he takes it out of the washing machine, the original slogan has faded and now it reads "If your T-shirt can do it, so can you. We'll help free you from right-wing extremism." So of course, Nick gets really angry.
http://gizmodo.com/5829551/free-t+shirts-given-to-neo+nazis-contained-a-secret-message-after-being-washed


Thanks for playing, nice work! Thumbs up for Balin and Danielvs as well as for Galfisk and Shez who sent me correct early spoilers (:
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Funny and clever!
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Interesting puzzle! I just wonder how these guys would be 'brain-washed'... =)

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