| Author | Message | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1875 Registered: 12-2010 |
11 days later Katie (H/C/F) and Leon (H/C/M) would have been more successful. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1024 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did they do any activity together? Did they succeed at all? Did their legal status changed within those 11 days? Is specific date in calendar relevant? Holidays relevant? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1876 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did they do any activity together? yes Did they succeed at all? partly Did their legal status changed within those 11 days? no Is specific date in calendar relevant? yes Holidays relevant? if holidays as in "vacation" - no, but holidays as in "a day designated as having special significance" - yes | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1693 Registered: 2-2011 |
their birthdays relevant? | ||
| Solitiare (Solitiare)
New member Username: Solitiare Post Number: 168 Registered: 7-2011 |
Does whatever takes place take place in this cenury, 20th, 19th, 18th, etc? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1877 Registered: 12-2010 |
their birthdays relevant? no Does whatever takes place take place in this cenury, 20th, 19th, 18th, etc? 21st century | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1699 Registered: 2-2011 |
new year? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1483 Registered: 9-2010 |
Would you accept the [LTPF List of Holidays]? Are Katie and Leon brother and sister? Some other family relation? Best friends? Non-best friends? Enemies? Classmates? Pen pals? Some other type of connection between them? Or are they just two random children who tried to do the same thing? Or was it the same thing? Did they succeed? Or fail? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1880 Registered: 12-2010 |
new year? no Would you accept the [LTPF List of Holidays]? no, that would probably make it too easy Are Katie and Leon brother and sister? Some other family relation? Best friends? Non-best friends? Enemies? Classmates? Pen pals? Some other type of connection between them? Assume they're friends. Siblings/family and classmates would work too Or are they just two random children who tried to do the same thing? no Or was it the same thing? it was the same thing Did they succeed? Or fail? They didn't fail completely, but they didn't really succeed either | ||
| Solitiare (Solitiare)
New member Username: Solitiare Post Number: 172 Registered: 7-2011 |
12th night relevant? Wild guess: leap year relevant? End of/opening of school? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4847 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did they try to fly? Is Christmas relevant? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1884 Registered: 12-2010 |
12th night relevant? Wild guess: leap year relevant? End of/opening of school? no to all Did they try to fly? Is Christmas relevant? no to all | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14537 Registered: 4-2010 |
April Fools' Day relevant? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1494 Registered: 9-2010 |
Was there another holiday 11 days after the first? And they would have been more successful on the new holiday? Would they have been successful 10 days later? 12? On the 11th day, only the following year? (If the 11th day is a holiday occurring on a varying date from year to year, such as the "2nd Tuesday in October", answer both based on whether it could have occurred on that holiday and whether it could have occurred on the same day, regardless of whether it would have been a holiday) | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1888 Registered: 12-2010 |
April Fools' Day relevant? no Was there another holiday 11 days after the first?yes And they would have been more successful on the new holiday? yes Would they have been successful 10 days later? 12? probably to both, but that might be misleading On the 11th day, only the following year? (If the 11th day is a holiday occurring on a varying date from year to year, such as the "2nd Tuesday in October", answer both based on whether it could have occurred on that holiday and whether it could have occurred on the same day, regardless of whether it would have been a holiday) the holiday is on the same date every year, and yes, they would have been successful on the 11th day a year later | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14545 Registered: 4-2010 |
The only 11-day-apart holidays I can think of are Lincoln's and Washington's birthdays. Is that them? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1890 Registered: 12-2010 |
The only 11-day-apart holidays I can think of are Lincoln's and Washington's birthdays. Is that them? no There's a standard question that hasn't been asked so far, but it might be helpful. | ||
| Solitiare (Solitiare)
New member Username: Solitiare Post Number: 177 Registered: 7-2011 |
Is their nationality relevant? Is some historical event relevant? e.g. 9/11. Or is it more trivial e.g. the time change (Spring forward, Fall back)? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1894 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is their nationality relevant? yes - they're from Germany, Austria, Belgium or the Netherlands Is some historical event relevant? e.g. 9/11. one of the relevant holidays is the Feast of XY, XY being a historical figure Or is it more trivial e.g. the time change (Spring forward, Fall back)? no | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1498 Registered: 9-2010 |
Would they have been successful on any day other than the original day (or the holiday's recurrence in following years)? Are both holidays only celebrated in those four countries? Or are those just the only four countries where both are celebrated? Or, are they (or one of them) celebrated elsewhere, just on a different day? If one of those applies to one or more of their celebrations in other countries, is it celebrated in America on the same day? On a different day? Are either a religious Holiday? Both? Is XY a religious figure? If so, from [LTPF list of religions]? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1895 Registered: 12-2010 |
Would they have been successful on any day other than the original day (or the holiday's recurrence in following years)? only on the day itself +/- 2 days Are both holidays only celebrated in those four countries? no Or are those just the only four countries where both are celebrated? yope, explore Or, are they (or one of them) celebrated elsewhere, just on a different day? no If one of those applies to one or more of their celebrations in other countries, is it celebrated in America on the same day? On a different day? the first one is celebrated in America on the same day, the second one is (as far as I know) not celebrated in America Are either a religious Holiday? Both? the first one originated as a religious holiday, but I wouldn't call it religious today, and the seonc one is a religious holiday Is XY a religious figure? If so, from [LTPF list of religions]? yes, Christianity | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1501 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is the first one Valentine's Day by any chance? Or St. Patrick's Day? Those are the only two holidays I can think of that started as religious but now aren't. But I think St. Patrick's Day's secular observance isn't a global phenomenon. To explore the yope... Are those four countries the only ones where Holiday B is celebrated on the day it is? And also, you say the day itself +/- two days? So does the celebration of the holiday last multiple days? 5 days, to be exact? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1896 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is the first one Valentine's Day by any chance? Or St. Patrick's Day? Those are the only two holidays I can think of that started as religious but now aren't. But I think St. Patrick's Day's secular observance isn't a global phenomenon. no to both To explore the yope... Are those four countries the only ones where Holiday B is celebrated on the day it is? no And also, you say the day itself +/- two days? So does the celebration of the holiday last multiple days? 5 days, to be exact? noish, but I'll give you a HINT: The holiday is celebrated in multiple countries, but only in those four there is a special tradition. This tradition is relevant here, and usually, this tradition is not limited to the day itself out of "practical" reasons (which I can't explain now, but will in the $poiler). | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14550 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is XY Jesus? A saint? A prophet? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1897 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is XY Jesus? A saint? this A prophet? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 61 Registered: 8-2011 |
Is the first holiday Halloween? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1900 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is the first holiday Halloween? it is indeed! | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 64 Registered: 8-2011 |
The activity- does it involve getting treats? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1901 Registered: 12-2010 |
The activity- does it involve getting treats? yes! | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 901 Registered: 6-2003 |
Is the second holiday the Feast of Saint Martin? (but this is 12 days after halloween?) | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1904 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is the second holiday the Feast of Saint Martin? yes (but this is 12 days after halloween?) depends on whether you include Halloween or not. I counted Nov 1 as the 1st day. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14557 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do you get treats on the Feast of St. Martin? Are people required to hand them out? Would Katie and Leon have received more treats on the Feast day than on Halloween? (Oh, wait, it's a feast...so they'd obviously have lots of treats, right?) | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1909 Registered: 12-2010 |
Do you get treats on the Feast of St. Martin? yes Are people required to hand them out? yes Would Katie and Leon have received more treats on the Feast day than on Halloween? yes (Oh, wait, it's a feast...so they'd obviously have lots of treats, right? not obviously, but yes, they could have had lots of treats.) Now - why would they have got more treats on St Martin's Day? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14564 Registered: 4-2010 |
Because not everyone hands out treats on Halloween? Did they live in an area where few people handed out treats (like on an especially busy street)? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1911 Registered: 12-2010 |
Because not everyone hands out treats on Halloween? yes Did they live in an area where few people handed out treats (like on an especially busy street)? yes, but not because it's a busy street. There's another reason why only few people in their neighbourhood hand out treats on Halloween | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14575 Registered: 4-2010 |
Because they can't afford treats? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 72 Registered: 8-2011 |
Do the people on this street have some objection to the concept of Halloween? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1510 Registered: 9-2010 |
Because it used to be a Pagan holiday? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1914 Registered: 12-2010 |
Because they can't afford treats? no Do the people on this street have some objection to the concept of Halloween? yes Because it used to be a Pagan holiday? no Googlepedia is allowed and might be useful. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14592 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do they think Halloween is satanic? That kids should be up and out that late? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1915 Registered: 12-2010 |
Do they think Halloween is satanic? That kids should be up and out that late? no to both | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 907 Registered: 6-2003 |
Any special St Martin tradition relevant? Relevant that St Martin is generally associated with sharing and giving? Do the people think that kids who are out on the streets on Halloween are collection treats for themselves? while kids out on St Martin's evening might be collecting money for charity? and thus, deserve some treats? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1917 Registered: 12-2010 |
Any special St Martin tradition relevant? apart from collecting/handing out treats, no Relevant that St Martin is generally associated with sharing and giving? no or noish Do the people think that kids who are out on the streets on Halloween are collection treats for themselves? while kids out on St Martin's evening might be collecting money for charity? and thus, deserve some treats? no HINT: Most people on their street are old. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4269 Registered: 9-2009 |
Older traditions relevant? Did Halloween take over some tradition that was on St. Martin before? and the old people objected to that? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 84 Registered: 8-2011 |
Do the people on their street go to bed early? If there were no St. Martin traditions, would they still object to Halloween? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 911 Registered: 6-2003 |
Do the people object Halloween in general? because of its catholic origin? because of its Irish (or foreign, at any rate) origin? Do they think it is inappropriate to celebrate on the evening before All Saints' Day? when people usually commemorate the deceased? Do they remember St Martin traditions from their own childhood? that they once were collecting treats on St Martin themselves? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1716 Registered: 2-2011 |
Have those people simply not heard of Halloween? after all, it's never really been celebrated in Europe, even in Ireland, and it's only been since kids over here saw Trick or Treating on TV that they decided to get in on the act! My Mum would be flummoxed of kids came to her house, whereas I'm always stocked up with goodies - but I do decorate the house so that people will know it's OK to come to mine - most people in my neighbourhood just don't bother | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1921 Registered: 12-2010 |
Older traditions relevant? yes Did Halloween take over some tradition that was on St. Martin before? yes and the old people objected to that? yes Do the people on their street go to bed early? irrel If there were no St. Martin traditions, would they still object to Halloween? maybe Do the people object Halloween in general? yope because of its catholic origin? no because of its Irish (or foreign, at any rate) origin? no Do they think it is inappropriate to celebrate on the evening before All Saints' Day? when people usually commemorate the deceased? possibly Do they remember St Martin traditions from their own childhood? probably that they once were collecting treats on St Martin themselves? probably Have those people simply not heard of Halloween? possibly Great work, I think it's time for the ********SPOILER******** In Germany (and according to wikipedia in Austria, Belgium and the Netherlands) there's a very nice tradition on St Martin's Day (Nov 11): Children go through the streets with paper lanterns and sing songs in return for treats. During the last few years, Halloween and trick-or-treating have become extremely popular in Germany, but especially older people object to this development for various reasons (all of which you mentioned in the last few posts). Our heroes Leon and Katie live in a neighbourhood with lots of older people who don't open the door for trick-or-treaters, so 11 days later, they would have got more candy. Thanks for playing! (: | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14635 Registered: 4-2010 |
You were right about the Feast of St. Martin not being celebrated in America -- I'd never heard of it before this puzzle. November 11 is our Veteran's Day. Nice puzzle, and poor Leon and Katie... | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1922 Registered: 12-2010 |
I remembered I wanted to explain why they would have been successful on the day itself +/- 2 days. Most daycares and elementary schools have a small parade with St Martin himself riding on a horse, paper lanterns, torches and a bonfire. Afterwards, the children go from door to door in their neighbourhood. But out of practical and logistic reasons, having all the parades on St Martin's Day itself would be too much work, so they usually have them on the days before and after the Feast too. |
