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Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
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A boat sinks. Two old men decide to build a new boat, but neither of them use it when it is built. When the new boat is used, many people are upset. Explain.

Clue: Despite Jennifer Aniston claiming that it's "all about her", this puzzle has nothing to do with her.
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good, acos kaylee kitteh knowz nuthin bout Jennifer Aniston...

True story? FYOI? FSEI?
"The Old Man and the Sea" relevant? *hopez nawt, haz nawt read. *face-pawz*
Is the boat a toy boat? rowboat? Bigger? Could it more accurately be described as a ship? The Titanic? Is the new boat perhaps the Titanic? (That would certainly cause a lot of upset...)

Did this happen during the 21st century? 20th? 19th? 18th? 17th? 16th? 15th? 14th? 13th? 12th? 11th? 10th? 9th? 8th? 7th? 6th? 5th? 4th? 3rd? 2nd? 1st? in B.C.?
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True story? Yes - true, and very fascinating, I can't believe that I just learned about it
FYOI? No, I'm not creative enough to make up something like this FSEI? I believe that it's true, at least most of it would have to be true. There are some parts that people claim are possibly imagined.
"The Old Man and the Sea" relevant? No
Is the boat a toy boat? rowboat? Bigger? Both boats are bigger
Could it more accurately be described as a ship? They both could, yes
The Titanic? No
Is the new boat perhaps the Titanic? (That would certainly cause a lot of upset...) No

Did this happen during the...20th (century)? Yes
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WWI or WWII relevant?
Did this happen in North America? South America? Europe? Asia? Africa? Australia/Oceania? Antarctica? (who knows, maybe the ship was hijacked by penguins looking for cheezburgur? hehe.)
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The two men: relevant that they are old?

Do they build the new boat? If so, do they build it together? Do they build it with their hands or hire someone to build it for them? Help them build it? Are they still alive when the boat is ready? Neither of them uses it because they are dead? Relevant how time passes before the boat is used?

"Used" by the two old men: sail with it? Or some other use? Later use: sailing? put on display? sell it? some other use?

Many people: 100+? 1000+? 100.000+? More?

Is the new boat built as a replica of the old one?
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Did any of the old men own the first boat? Or build it? Or pay for it? Are either of them politicians? Military men?
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Did the old men use the boat? Did other people use it? The same people that were upset?

Is it relevant where the boat was going to and from?
Was the boat used for escaping somewhere? Or reaching somewhere?
Were the people upset because they did not expect something to happen?

Is it relevant how the old boat sank?

Were the old men waiting for something?
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WWI or WWII relevant? No
Did this happen in North America? Yes

The two men: relevant that they are old? I'm not sure, just stating a fact

Do they build the new boat? Yes, but not directly, keep reading...
If so, do they build it together? Yes, but not directly, keep reading...
Do they build it with their hands No, they...hire someone to build it for them? One of the men hires the other one
Help them build it? Neither of the 2 old men have a direct role in assembling the boat
Are they still alive when the boat is ready? Yes
Neither of them uses it because they are dead? No
Relevant how time passes before the boat is used?
Could be, I suppose
"Used" by the two old men: sail with it? No, not them
Or some other use? Yes
Later use: sailing? Yes, in part, but not by either of the men
put on display? sell it? Neither
some other use? Yes, very much so

Many people: 100+? 1000+? 100.000+? More? Probably several hundred, possibly 1,000 or slightly more

Is the new boat built as a replica of the old one?
No

Did any of the old men own the first boat? No
Or build it? No Or pay for it? No
Are either of them politicians? Yes, one is Military men? No, neither of them

Did the old men use the boat? In a sense, yes, but not directly
Did other people use it? Yes
The same people that were upset? No

Is it relevant where the boat was going to and from? Which boat?
Was the boat used for escaping somewhere? Which boat?
Or reaching somewhere? Both boats were used to reach somewhere, yes
Were the people upset because they did not expect something to happen? No, I'd say moreso they were upset because they did expect something to happen - good q

Is it relevant how the old boat sank? No, and in fact this is unknown

Were the old men waiting for something? At one point, yes
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Are both boats life-sized? If not, is the first? The second?
Is it relevant where Boat 1 was going to and from? Boat 2?
Was either boat used for an escape? If so, which?
Is the Alcatraz escape relevant (with the raincoat raft)?
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[b]The man who couldn't be found.[b]
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Sorry, must be auto-form messing up that last post

Is it relevant where the old boat was going to and from? New boat?
Was the old boat used for escaping somewhere? New boat?

Is it relevant who actually assembles the boat?

Was the new boat used for research? in wars? recreation? pirates? sports? life-saving?

Were the upset people on the new boat?

Was one of the men the president?
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Are both boats life-sized? Yes
If not, is the first? The second? Both are
Is it relevant where Boat 1 was going to and from? Yes Boat 2? To, not from
Was either boat used for an escape? No
If so, which?
Is the Alcatraz escape relevant (with the raincoat raft)? No but that's a good story too
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Is it relevant where the old boat was going to and from? Yes New boat? Where it was going is relevant, not really where it came from
Was the old boat used for escaping somewhere? New boat? Neither

Is it relevant who actually assembles the boat? No

Was the new boat used for research? Yes, of a sort - good q
in wars? recreation? pirates? sports? life-saving?
None of these
Were the upset people on the new boat? No

Was one of the men the president? Yes
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Was the new boat intended to be a replacement for the old one?

Research involved?

Pork?

Oh, and hey there, Ix, how you?
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Long time no type, Bodo, nice to see you!

Was the new boat intended to be a replacement for the old one? No

Research involved? Yes, but...

Pork? No - neither pigs nor padded budgets
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Was there any relationship at all between the two boats?

Was the new boat intended to find the old boat?

To prove (or disprove) a theory?
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Was there any relationship at all between the two boats? Yes, a direct one

Was the new boat intended to find the old boat? Yes, that's the relationship

To prove (or disprove) a theory? Probably, this would have been a secondary purpose though
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first half or 20th century? 2nd half?

Did they want to find the boat for monetary gain?
Did the first boat sink in the 20th century? During this President's term?
Are people disappointed because the first boat was not found? Because someone else had already recovered it? Because it was severely decomposed?
Were they looking for a particular object aboard the first boat?
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first half or 20th century? 2nd half? This

Did they want to find the boat for monetary gain? No
Did the first boat sink in the 20th century? Yes During this President's term? Yes
Are people disappointed because the first boat was not found? No
Because someone else had already recovered it? No
Because it was severely decomposed? No

Were they looking for a particular object aboard the first boat? Yes...objects
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Was the first boat a commercial boat (e. g. cargo, tanker, fisherman etc.)?

A military boat?

Was it a submarine?
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Did looking for the first boat cause some kind of international incident? Political controversy?

Were the objects they were looking for still there when the first boat was found?
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were the objects they were looking for of monetary value? scientific value? national security?
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Was the first boat...a submarine? Yes
Did looking for the first boat cause some kind of international incident? Yes Political controversy? Probably

Were the objects they were looking for still there when the first boat was found? Good question - supposedly yes, but this is unknown. A reason for this fact is hinted in the puzzle's title.

were the objects they were looking for of monetary value? No
scientific value? Eventually perhaps
national security? Yes
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Re: your opening clue -- is an actress relevant? An actor?
Is either boat's name relevant?
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Re: your opening clue -- is an actress relevant? Yes, but for one aspect only
An actor? No
Is either boat's name relevant? No
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will we never know whether the objects were found for reasons of national security?

does the "C" in the title refer to the objects?

is Jennifer A. relevant because of a movie she was in? Friends? her personal life?
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will we never know whether the objects were found for reasons of national security? Probably not

does the "C" in the title refer to the objects? No

is Jennifer A. relevant because of a movie she was in? Friends? her personal life? None of these
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Is another Jennifer relevant? Another Aniston?
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Is another Jennifer relevant? Yes
Another Aniston? No
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My cousin Jennifer Bandanza? lol, probably not...but iz favrit couzin!

Is the other Jennifer:
Actress?
Singer?
Author?
Artist?
Royalty?
Other?
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My cousin Jennifer Bandanza?

Is the other Jennifer:
Actress?
Singer?
Author?
Artist?
Royalty?
Other? Not any of these, but they all have the same thing in common...(Hint: Insert basic routine LTPF question here)
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was one of the boats named Jennifer?
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was one of the boats named Jennifer? No, not the boats...(OTRT)
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Was one of the people named Jennifer?
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the objects they were looking for?
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Was one of the people named Jennifer? The objects they were looking for? No to both - the puzzle's title and some details that have been revealed should help uncover this
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Was a body of water/location named Jennifer?
Is the "C" in the title a name initial? Or part of a sequence "A", "B", "C" etc.
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Was a body of water/location named Jennifer? No...
Is the "C" in the title a name initial? Yes, it is part of a name
Or part of a sequence "A", "B", "C" etc. This too
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Is there a relevant Jennifer C?
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Is there a relevant Jennifer C? There is a relevant 'Jennifer', yes, but not this. The basic question about the relevant Jennifer hasn't been asked yet.
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H/A/F?
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Jennifer: H? A? F?
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o hai balin kitteh! I askz first! =P
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Jennifer: H? No!
A? F? So these aren't relevant!

The relevant 'Jennifer' is not a human, and cannot be classified as either adult or female.


Good job!
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Plant? Fungus? Nonliving thing?
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Jennifer: Animal?
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Plant? Fungus? Nonliving thing? Animal?
Not animal, plant nor fungus. 'Nonliving thing' is the closest, although this is slightly misleading.
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Is Jennifer a virus?
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Is Jennifer a virus? No. It's not any kind of organism or anything that could affect a living thing.
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is it something which has lived?
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is it something which has lived? No
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is it not a tangible thing at all? a hurricane?
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is it not a tangible thing at all? Correct
a hurricane? No - you're on the right track with this idea though, about the use of the name, but it's not used for anything tangible or anything visible like a hurricane
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Is it a thought? A feeling? An idea? A moment? An invention?
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Is it a thought? A feeling? An idea? A moment? An invention? None of these exactly but very much OTRT. You are close with 'idea'.
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Is it a plan or project? A mission? The mission to retrieve the submarine?
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Is it a plan or project? Yes, and also...A mission? ...this. Specifically, it's...The mission to retrieve the submarine? ...this. The mission was given the name 'Project Jennifer.'

Now that this has been determined, can you figure out who the old men were, and why they wanted to retrieve the sub?
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Is it a nuclear submarine? Did this happen in wartime?
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Is it a nuclear submarine? No
Did this happen in wartime? Strictly speaking no, but the two nations involved were in the midst of a "war" of a sort.
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Were there some kind of weapons on the submarine? or anything dangerous at all?

Was it the Cold War?
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Were there some kind of weapons on the submarine? Yes
or anything dangerous at all? The weapons were dangerous, but there were other 'valuables' on the sub

Was it the Cold War? Yes
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Were they trying to prevent the enemy from retrieving the sub first?
Were the old men working for the USA? USSR?
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I'm going to bow (no pun intended) out for now - I did notice the significance of the word "boat" in the puzzle statement though. Random gif: Moo
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was one working for the USA and the other for the USSR?
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Were they trying to prevent the enemy from retrieving the sub first? Yes - actually, they didn't want the sub retrieved at all by anyone, including themselves
Were the old men working for the USA? Yes USSR? So no

Bodo: "I'm going to bow (no pun intended) out for now - I did notice the significance of the word "boat" in the puzzle statement though." Thanks for helping out with this one!

was one working for the USA and the other for the USSR? Yes
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fish can haz cheezburgur? hmm, perhaps not, it might not like that, unless it's a barracudafish, or a shark =P...perhaps it would like sesame seeds, Bodo?
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Were they trying to destroy the sub?
Did they sink the boat?
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Were they trying to destroy the sub? No
Did they sink the boat? No
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were the items dangerous?
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were the items dangerous? A portion of them were, yes
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were they nuclear warheads?
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were they nuclear warheads? Well not quite, the dangerous items that were on the sub were nuclear torpedoes
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Were the torpedoes successfully retrieved? Were they detonated? Did anyone die?
The people who were upset: were they from the US? USSR? Elsewhere?
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Were the torpedoes successfully retrieved? Some were, yes
Were they detonated? No Did anyone die? Not during recovery/retrieval, no
The people who were upset: were they from the US? No USSR? YES Elsewhere? No, it's unlikely that a lot of other people knew
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Were they US nukes? USSR?
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Were they US nukes? No USSR? Yes
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Were the nukes usable (after being retrieved)?
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Were the nukes usable (after being retrieved)? Not likely, not relevant. There were other things, though, that were 'usable', and this is what caused the many people to be upset
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Were the parts usable in rebuilding the torpedoes? Building something else? A sub? A ship?
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were the other things maps? plans? codes?
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Were the parts usable in rebuilding the torpedoes? Building something else? A sub? A ship? No to all

were the other things maps? plans? Possibly these, but most importantly...codes? ...this.
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Did this happen during or after the Cold War? Were people upset about possible re-escalation of conflict? About spying using these codes?
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Did this happen during or after the Cold War? During
Were people upset about possible re-escalation of conflict? Yes, and...About spying using these codes? ...yes!

We're mostly done...all that's really left is to determine who the two old men are and the significance of the 'C' in the puzzle title
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The old men are Soviet, right? (It's been so long that I can't remember.) Are they government? Did they build the ship? The submarine? Form the codes?
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The old men are Soviet, right? (It's been so long that I can't remember.) No, the old men are two Americans, one of which is the US president (I think this was discovered a while ago)
Are they government? One is, one isn't
Did they build the ship? One was responsible for building it although he did not actively participate in construction
The submarine? No, the sub was Russian built
Form the codes? No, these were also formed by Russians

Really all that's left is to determine who the two old men were
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Is one of them a codebreaker?
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Is one of them a codebreaker? No - the president obviously has the security of the US in mind so he approves construction of a ship that can salvage the Russian sub and hopefully recover information and/or weapons. The other man has the means of building a salvage vessel and simply needs the approval and money from the US government to do so.
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** SPOILER **

This one has stalled and most of the info has been discovered, so it remains only to fill in a few blanks:

In the early 1970's the CIA (or 'C' as in the puzzle's title) launched a project that was (erroneously) called 'Project Jennifer.' A Russian sub sank near Hawaii, and the US government, with knowledge of President Nixon, contracted with one of Howard Hughes' companies to build a salvage vessel. Under the guise of searching the ocean floor for minerals and valuable ore deposits, the ship recovered some weapons and encoding equipment from the sub. The Russians sent several "observation" ships to monitor US activity since they did not want any part(s) of the sub recovered by the US and they had no ships capable of searching for the sub. According to the CIA there was nothing of value recovered from the sub, yet there are reports that torpedoes and encryption equipment were recovered.

This all happened less than a year before I was born, and I just learned of it and made this puzzle after reading an article describing the project.



Nice work by all those involved!
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Good one! Sorry it stalled out.

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