| Author | Message | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 154 Registered: 6-2003 |
She drowned herself and the kids, so he could finally kill himself. true story | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 940 Registered: 6-2003 |
Hi Dietmar, good to see you back! Did he want to die? but his family kept him from killing himself in the first place? Life insurance relevant? or inheritance? My first guess would have been the Schimmelreiter but this is probably too obvious... So, therefore some housekeeping questions: She: Human, adult, female? He: Human, adult, male? The kids: her kids? his kids? Relevant how many? Relevant how he killed himself? Did this happen recently? 20th century? before? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 16353 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is he related to her? To the kids? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 155 Registered: 6-2003 |
Sundowner: Did he want to die? For the sake of the puzzle, it's a Yes, although one could argue. but his family kept him from killing himself in the first place? yes, in a way Life insurance relevant? no or inheritance? no My first guess would have been the Schimmelreiter but this is probably too obvious... No, sorry, although the old "Boßeln" tradition would make a funny puzzle, too So, therefore some housekeeping questions: She: Human, adult, female? yes to all He: Human, adult, male? yes to all The kids: her kids? his kids? yes to all Relevant how many? no Relevant how he killed himself? absolutely, yes Did this happen recently? 20th century? before? 20th century Glad to read you again, Jens, it seems there are many people from "my time" still lurking around. Son of Fundin / cool name: Is he related to her? To the kids? yes to all | ||
| Blue (Blue)
New member Username: Blue Post Number: 19 Registered: 1-2012 |
was there any health problem? to him? her? kids? was it because of hunger? some sort of embarrassment? did they owe to someone? he killed himself by: consuming something? poison? hurting himself? shot? drowning? jumping? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 16363 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is he her husband? Brother? Father? Uncle? Nephew? Son? Are the kids his? Hers? Someone else's? Relevant where this happened? If so, [LTPF list of continents]? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 158 Registered: 6-2003 |
Blue: was there any health problem? to him? her? kids? was it because of hunger? some sort of embarrassment? did they owe to someone? he killed himself by: consuming something? poison? hurting himself? shot? drowning? jumping? I am sorry to say: No to all Balin: Is he her husband? this one Brother? Father? Uncle? Nephew? Son? Are the kids his? Hers? they are their kids. "he" and "she" are their parents Someone else's? Relevant where this happened? If so, [LTPF list of continents]? East Asia | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 954 Registered: 6-2003 |
Did she drown herself? and the kids? in a river? in a pond? in a lake? in the ocean? Did she do it on purpose? accidentally? Did this happen during WWII? shortly after? Did he hang himself? shot? stab? starve? freeze to death? burn himself? Did he die by seppuku? (as you mention East Asia) | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 160 Registered: 6-2003 |
Sundowner: Did she drown herself? yes and the kids? yes in a river? in a pond? in a lake? in the ocean? in a river Did she do it on purpose? yes accidentally? Did this happen during WWII? yes shortly after? Did he hang himself? shot? stab? starve? freeze to death? burn himself? none of these, sorry Did he die by seppuku? (as you mention East Asia) neither | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 694 Registered: 8-2011 |
Did he kill himself by introducing a means of death (for example, a weapon or tool)? Or by removing some element of safety or health (for example, removing oxygen or water somehow)? Did he place himself in harm's way? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 957 Registered: 6-2003 |
Did the woman and the kids die in the same place? Did they die in their home country? Did he die in his home country? Relevant how old the kids were when they died? Any religious motives involved? Was he military? politician? Did he kill himself as a form of protest? Did he go on a mission from which he did not expect to return? but felt it necessary to go? Was he shot? (and provoked the fire himself?) | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1918 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did her actions help him commit suicide? If so: morally? (Like, for example "you have nothing to live for anymore, go ahead") Was he a kamikaze pilot? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 162 Registered: 6-2003 |
Ciaobella Did he kill himself by introducing a means of death (for example, a weapon or tool)? yesish, but misleading Or by removing some element of safety or health (for example, removing oxygen or water somehow)? noish Did he place himself in harm's way? yope. Sorry to be so vague, these are actually good questions. Sundowner: Did the woman and the kids die in the same place? yes Did they die in their home country? yes Did he die in his home country? yes Relevant how old the kids were when they died? no Any religious motives involved? no Was he military? politician? good question! he belonged to the military Did he kill himself as a form of protest? no Did he go on a mission from which he did not expect to return? yes but felt it necessary to go? yes Was he shot? (and provoked the fire himself?) no Rbruma: Did her actions help him commit suicide? yes If so: morally? (Like, for example "you have nothing to live for anymore, go ahead") yes, this was actually the second reason. The first was another one. And the first reason is what this puzzle is about. Was he a kamikaze pilot? GREAT! yes! moreover, he was a teacher to the kamikaze pilots Last thing to find out: What was the first reason, why his wife drowned herself and their kids? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 163 Registered: 6-2003 |
Sorry, the correct english word is "instructor", not "teacher". My English is a bit rusty. | ||
| Blue (Blue)
New member Username: Blue Post Number: 23 Registered: 1-2012 |
to save herself and kids? from the atrocities of the army? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1922 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was there a requirement that only unmarried/childless men could be drafted as a kamikaze pilot? Is the fact that he was an instructor to other pilots relevant? Did she want to send a message to other draftees? To prove a point to somebody else? | ||
| Feenwelt (Feenwelt)
New member Username: Feenwelt Post Number: 167 Registered: 6-2003 |
Rbruma: Was there a requirement that only unmarried/childless men could be drafted as a kamikaze pilot? yes ***** SPOILER ****** A popular perception nowadays is that Kamikaze pilots were nationalist, fanatic, young people, who were mostly pressed to fulfill their duties. That's not true in general. There were many limitations in the Japanese marine corps as to who was allowed to become a Kamikaze ("divine wind"). First sons, only sons, married men and fathers were rejected. This led in the case of the Kamikaze instructor Hajime Fujii to the sad case that his wife drowned herself and her 2 children, so he would be allowed to accompany his learners to the next battle. You can read the story here. Thank you for solving this. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1924 Registered: 9-2009 |
Thanks for an instructive puzzle, Feenwelt! |
