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When 14-year-old Cassia made a very imprudent choice of a winter coat, her parents saw an opportunity to teach her a surprising lesson. What was it?
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Imprudent because of:
expensive?
poor manufacturing?
cheap materials?
a fad / will go out of style quickly? One they know she won't like?
It's not warm?
It's white or another color that will stain easily?
It has to be dry cleaned?
It's not water resistant?
It's ugly?
It doesn't match anything in her wardrobe?
It's just like one someone else she knows has?
It copies a famous person's coat?
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Imprudent because of:
expensive?
poor manufacturing?no
cheap materials? no
a fad / will go out of style quickly? no One they know she won't like? no
It's not warm?no
It's white or another color that will stain easily?noish but you're ORT (on the right track
It has to be dry cleaned?no
It's not water resistant? yope
It's ugly?no
It doesn't match anything in her wardrobe?no
It's just like one someone else she knows has?no
It copies a famous person's coat? no-- why would thst be imprudent?
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Is that a typo in the title, or are cats relevant?
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Is that a typo in the title, or are cats relevant?
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Is Cassia a cat?
If so, are her parents actually her human caretakers?
Anything to do with shedding? the color(s) or her fur?


Is Cassia a person who happens to own a cat or otherwise be around one?
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Is that a typo in the title yes. BLOOOOOOOPERRR ALERTTTTTTT!! The title of this puzzle should be 'The Winter-Coat Lesson,' The puzzle has NOTHING to do with cats, alas!!, or are cats relevant? no
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Is Cassia a cat? no--see above
If so, are her parents actually her human caretakers? n/a--see above
Anything to do with shedding? no the color(s) or her fur? no


Is Cassia a person who happens to own a cat or otherwise be around one?no
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Is the colour of the coat relevant? Its price? How warm it is? How good at protecting Cassia from winter weather? The material it is made from? Its appearance?

Is it relevant where Cassia lives? Is winter where she is from cold enough to actually need a coat?

Is it made from fur or leather or another material that some people will think is wrong?

Is it relevant whether Cassia or her parents paid for the coat?

Is it relevant that a winter coat tends to be an expensive item so people tend to only own one or two? Is the idea of 'investing' in a coat (ie buying an expensive one that is good quality and can be worn a lot) relevant?
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Is the colour of the coat relevant? yesish Its price? yesHow warm it is?somewhat How good at protecting Cassia from winter weather? ditto The material it is made from? yes Its appearance? yes

Is it relevant where Cassia lives? yes Is winter where she is from cold enough to actually need a coat? yes

Is it made from fur yes or leather noor another material that some people will think is wrong? irrel--I'm Cassia & this incident tool place when I was a teenager, which was before widespread sanctimoniousness about fur

Is it relevant whether Cassia or her parents paid for the coat? yes--her parents did

Is it relevant that a winter coat tends to be an expensive item so people tend to only own one or two? yesIs the idea of 'investing' in a coat (ie buying an expensive one that is good quality and can be worn a lot) relevant? yesish
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Was it imprudent because she should not have bought a fur coat? Should have bought a faux fur one? Because it will get heavy and waterlogged in rain or snow? Because it is too expensive? Did you buy it because it looked good rather than for practical reasons? Did you buy it because you didn't have to pay for it so you wanted an expensive one? Because it was expensive so you assumed it would be the best one? Because it was on sale?
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Was it imprudent because she should not have bought a fur coat? yesishShould have bought a faux fur one? maybeBecause it will get heavy and waterlogged in rain or snow? no Because it is too expensive? yope Did you buy it because it looked good rather than for practical reasons? yes Did you buy it because you didn't have to pay for it so you wanted an expensive one? noBecause it was expensive so you assumed it would be the best one? no Because it was on sale? no
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Because she/you would soon grow out of it?
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Because she/you would soon grow out of it? no
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Did the parents actually buy the coat? Did they tell her it was an imprudent choice? Did they buy it and let Cassia experience for herself why it was a bad choice? Did they tell her if she wanted that one she could save up and buy it herself?

Was the lesson specifically related to the coat-buying, or a more general one? Did it relate to spending money? Buying clothes? Choosing looks over function?
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Did the parents actually buy the coat? They gave her the money for it, but she made the actual purchaseDid they tell her it was an imprudent choice? yes Did they buy it see previous answerand let Cassia experience for herself why it was a bad choice? yesDid they tell her if she wanted that one she could save up and buy it herself? no

Was the lesson specifically related to the coat-buying, or a more general one? the latter--GOOOOOD QUESTION!! Did it relate to spending money? yesish or yes Buying clothes? no Choosing looks over function? no
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Does it matter where the coat wad bought? How it was paid for? If so, cash? check? Credit/debit card? Loan? Barter arrangement?
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Does it matter where the coat wad bought? no How it was paid for? noIf so, cash? check? Credit/debit card? Loan? Barter arrangement?
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Did she suffer over the winter, because her coat wasn't practical? Did her parents use that to teach her that if you're buying something expensive, you should make sure it's good? That you should try something out before committing to it? Was that the only coat they bought her?

If Cassia learned the lesson, would she start spending money differently? Buy different kinds of things? Pay for things herself instead of her parents doing it? Start earning money? Spend less money? More money?
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Did she suffer over the winter, because her coat wasn't practical? yesushDid her parents use that to teach her that if you're buying something expensive, you should make sure it's good? no That you should try something out before committing to it? noWas that the only coat they bought her? no

If Cassia learned the lesson, would she start spending money differently? yesishBuy different kinds of things? no Pay for things herself instead of her parents doing it? no Start earning money? no Spend less money? More money? yesish
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Was the lesson that it is worth spending money on quality, rather than skimping and getting something inferior?

Did they also buy her a more sensible coat? One which she didn't like as much? Did they buy that straight away? During the winter when she realised that her choice of coat wasn't warm enough?
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Was the lesson that it is worth spending money on quality, rather than skimping and getting something inferior?no

Did they also buy her a more sensible coat? yesOne which she didn't like as much? yes Did they buy that straight away? noDuring the winter when she realised that her choice of coat wasn't warm enough? warmth was not the issue but you're ORT
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Was the problem that that coat was only suitable for certain occasions? Did they feel it would have been better to buy two, or one that could be worn anywhere?
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Was the problem that that coat was only suitable for certain occasions? noish Did they feel it would have been better to buy two, or one that could be worn anywhere? irrel
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Did her parents buy her a sensible coat BEFORE she bought the coat of her liking? Was the lesson more to do with spending money twice? Looking a gift horse in the mouth? Not wasting money on what's fashionable when you've got something that's functional? (i.e. Not needing to upgrade your phone ever 6 months.)

Except you said if she learned her lesson, she'd spend more money... ish.

Time = money? Would she have learned to take more time to decide or research a purchase? Would she spend more money on a warranty or protection plan?
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Is wet weather relevant?
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Did her parents buy her a sensible coat BEFORE she bought the coat of her liking? no Was the lesson more to do with spending money twice? no Looking a gift horse in the mouth? noNot wasting money on what's fashionable when you've got something that's functional? no (i.e. Not needing to upgrade your phone ever 6 months.)

Except you said if she learned her lesson, she'd spend more money... ish. yes

Time = money? irrel Would she have learned to take more time to decide or research a purchase? noWould she spend more money on a warranty or protection plan? no
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Is wet weather relevant? somewhat
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Is it relevant when she bought it? In summer? Just before winter? During winter? Are sales relevant? Did the parents buy the second coat during winter? Did Cassia ask them to? Had they planned to do this since Cassia bought the fur coat?

Did Cassia wear the coat in winter? Did she wear it a lot? Did it keep her warm? Dry? Did she continue to think it looked good? Did she wish she had bought a different one?

Was the lesson to do with correcting mistakes?
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Is it relevant when she bought it? no In summer? Just before winter? During winter? Are sales relevant? noDid the parents buy the second coat during winter? yesDid Cassia ask them to? yes Had they planned to do this since Cassia bought the fur coat? possibly

Did Cassia wear the coat in winter? yesDid she wear it a lot? yes Did it keep her warm? yes Dry? yes Did she continue to think it looked good? for a while Did she wish she had bought a different one? yope

Was the lesson to do with correcting mistakes? yope
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When they bought her the second coat, was it instead of something else they would have bought her?
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When they bought her the second coat, was it instead of something else they would have bought her? no
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Does the lesson strictly apply to clothing? To having a SPARE? I.e. How can you wear your fur coat if it's still in the laundry? If it's still drying? At the dry-cleaners?
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Does the lesson have to do with the way the coat looked later? For instance, perhaps it looked great dry but terrible when wet?
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did you just get tired of it?
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Does the lesson strictly apply to clothing? not ast all: GOOOOOD QUESTION!! To having a SPARE? no I.e. How can you wear your fur coat if it's still in the laundry? If it's still drying? At the dry-cleaners?
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Does the lesson have to do with the way the coat looked later?no For instance, perhaps it looked great dry but terrible when wet? no
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did you just get tired of it? no
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If the lesson doesn't just apply to clothing. Then does the lesson apply to...

Appliances?
Automotive?
Babies?
Kids?
Friends?
Adults?
Computers?
Electronics?
Entertainment?
Funerals?
Furniture?
Groceries?
Flowers?
Decor?
Hardware?
Health & Beauty products?
Jewelry?
Office Products?
Outdoor equipment?
Sport & Fitness equipment?
Money?
Investing?
Renting?

Is there some sort of Aesop lesson that was learned here? Simple? Complex?
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If the lesson doesn't just apply to clothing. Then does the lesson apply to...

Appliances?
Automotive?
Babies?
Kids?
Friends?
Adults?
Computers?
Electronics?
Entertainment?
Funerals?
Furniture?
Groceries?
Flowers?
Decor?
Hardware?
Health & Beauty products?
Jewelry?
Office Products?
Outdoor equipment?
Sport & Fitness equipment?
Money?
Investing?
Renting?
Yes to adults & money, no to others

Is there some sort of Aesop lesson that was learned here? yesSimple? Complex? in between
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Does seasonal clothing pertain to this? Does it have to do with how much seasonal clothing costs earlier in the season? As opposed to getting it on sale later? Does it matter that her choice of coat color clashes with her other clothes? Blends in to the environment? Makes her less visible? More visible?
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I don't think this fits but is there any relevance to the fact that an expensive fur coat is more likely to be stolen that others and so it is inconvenient because you never can leave it anywhere? (I have a lovely leather jacket which is fab, but i have to always keep my eye on it when I take it off because I'm worried someone might take it!)

is this lesson about convenience? about politeness? aout the value of bought objects? about differing values placed upon the same object by different people? about theft?
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Does seasonal clothing pertain to this? noDoes it have to do with how much seasonal clothing costs earlier in the season? no noAs opposed to getting it on sale later? Does it matter that her choice of coat color clashes with her other clothes? noBlends in to the environment? no Makes her less visible? no More visible? yesish
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I don't think this fits but is there any relevance to the fact that an expensive fur coat is more likely to be stolen that others and so it is inconvenient because you never can leave it anywhere? no(I have a lovely leather jacket which is fab, but i have to always keep my eye on it when I take it off because I'm worried someone might take it!)

is this lesson about convenience? no about politeness? no aout the value of bought objects? noabout differing values placed upon the same object by different people? no or noish about theft? no
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Cassia used her parents' money to buy the fur coat, right? You answered yesish to"if Cassia had learned her lesson, she would spend more money..." Does this mean she would spend more of her own money? Or more of her parents' money?

Did the lesson taught to her involve her parents reversing roles, taking her money to buy something? (maybe the more sensible coat?) Did they think Cassia should have consulted with them before purchasing the fur coat?
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Cassia used her parents' money to buy the fur coat, right? You answered yesish to"if Cassia had learned her lesson, she would spend more money..." Does this mean she would spend more of her own money?noish Or more of her parents' money? noish

Did the lesson taught to her involve her parents reversing roles, taking her money to buy something? no(maybe the more sensible coat?) Did they think Cassia should have consulted with them before purchasing the fur coat?probably
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Was the other coat more practical because of its
fit?
color?
weight?
construction?
price?
length?
number of pockets?
fastenings?
something else?

Did the parents mean that the other coat would have been a practical substitution for the fur? Or a practical addition to it?
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Was the other coat more practical because of its
fit? no
color?noish--not the main factor
weight? no
construction? yes
price?yes but not the main factor
length? no
number of pockets? no
fastenings? no
something else? yes

Did the parents mean that the other coat would have been a practical substitution for the fur? yesOr a practical addition to it? yope
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Is washing the coat relevant?
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Is washing the coat relevant? no
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Recap, please?
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Recap, please?Add the following to the puzzle description: The lesson did not specifically involve clothes. It did involve spending money but was not about the value of thrift or practicality. In fact, learning the lesson would yesishly make her spend more money than she would have otherwise. The coat was impractical, & eventually her parents paid for a replacement.By the way, this is a true story, and I am Cassia.
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did she return the coat?

did she have to use the coat for a period until her parents bought her a new one?
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did she return the coat? no

did she have to use the coat for a period until her parents bought her a new one? no
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Was the lesson based around the fact that Cassia's parents were willing to buy her a new coat? Something like 'if you make a mistake there is no point stubbornly sticking with it, you might as well get something better even if it costs money?'Sunk costs relevant?
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Was the lesson based around the fact that Cassia's parents were willing to buy her a new coat? yes. GOOOOOOOO QUESTION!!! Something like 'if you make a mistake there is no point stubbornly sticking with it, you might as well get something better even if it costs money? no'Sunk costs relevant? no
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Would Cassia be expected to adopt this lesson when she has children of her own? While she is still a child? Would her learning the lesson change her attitude to her parents? Is it about being grateful? About not being petty and making someone suffer for making a wrong decision? About the benefits of being able to afford to correct such a decision?
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Another thought - is it relevant that they let her buy the coat and realise herself that it was impractical before getting the better one, rather than just insisting she buy a different one to start with? Showing that parents have a reason for what they say to their kids, rather than just 'mummy knows best'?
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Was the lesson something along the lines of... Parents take care of their kids, love them, even if/when they make dumb decisions. And when Cassia is older she'd likely do the same for her kids? (Thus the spending more money part...)
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Would Cassia be expected to adopt this lesson when she has children of her own? She will be expected to adopt it when she is an adult, regardless of whether she has childrenWhile she is still a child? noWould her learning the lesson change her attitude to her parents? no Is it about being grateful? noAbout not being petty and making someone suffer for making a wrong decision? yes, but it's more specific than that About the benefits of being able to afford to correct such a decision? no
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Another thought - is it relevant that they let her buy the coat and realise herself that it was impractical before getting the better one, rather than just insisting she buy a different one to start with?ope Showing that parents have a reason for what they say to their kids, rather than just 'mummy knows best'? no
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Was the lesson something along the lines of... Parents take care of their kids, love them, even if/when they make dumb decisions. And when Cassia is older she'd likely do the same for her kids? No, but you're very ORT(Thus the spending more money part...)
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HINT: My parents were very liberal politically.
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Was the lesson (or politics behind it) more of a Social one? A fiscal one?

Red coat vs blue coat?
Animal products relevant?
Fair trade vs. Free trade relevant?
Source of supply relevant? (US vs other?)
Taxes relevant? Did she buy her coat in Oregon and dodge paying sales tax?
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Was the lesson (or politics behind it) more of a Social one?somewhat social A fiscal one?mainly fiscal no

Red coat vs blue coat? no
Animal products relevant? no--my parents'liberalism, like mine, is about PEOPLE
Fair trade vs. Free trade relevant? no
Source of supply relevant? no (US vs other? irrel)
Taxes relevant? no Did she buy her coat in Oregon and dodge paying sales tax? no
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Anything to do with choosing popular or fadish products?

I think I've lost the plot...
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Anything to do with choosing popular or fadish products? no

I think I've lost the plot... RECAP: When I was in high school & bought a very impractical winter coat, my parents paid for a replacement, and used the episode to teach me a lesson that had nothing to do specifically with clothing. Acting in accord with the lesson would yesishly involving spending more money. My parents are very liberal politically.
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Social class relevant? Was your family a very rich one?
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Social class relevant? yopeWas your family a very rich one? No; they were very middle class. Both my parents were high school teachers, which is a standard sociological example of a middle-middle-class occupation.
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Could part of your above problem statement be rewritten... "When I was in high school & bought a very impractical pair of boots, my parents paid for a replacement set, and used the episode to teach me a lesson that had nothing to do specifically with clothing." ? (That is, if it had been boots instead of a coat.)

Was the lesson more along the lines of... money isnt important? That YOU are more important than money? What's the point of having currency if you don't spend it?
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Could part of your above problem statement be rewritten... "When I was in high school & bought a very impractical pair of boots, my parents paid for a replacement set, and used the episode to teach me a lesson that had nothing to do specifically with clothing." ? (That is, if it had been boots instead of a coat.) yes

Was the lesson more along the lines of... money isnt important? noThat YOU are more important than money? noWhat's the point of having currency if you don't spend it? no
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HINT: Find out the context in which following the lesson would mean spending more money.
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Context...

Shopping around?
Comparing features side-by-side?
Return on Investment relevant?
Longevity of product relevant?
Quality of product relevant?
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Context...

Shopping around? no
Comparing features side-by-side? no
Return on Investment relevant? no
Longevity of product relevant? no
Quality of product relevant? no
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If the lesson led to spending more money would this be to buy something of a better quality? of the same quality but a different branding? made by workers who would earn more? was the lesson about fair wages for workers? is the lesson about buying something made locally? buying something made in your country? is exploitation of workers relevant at all?

would the 'spending more money' buy better customer service? would it mean buying from a shop with a better returns policy?
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If the lesson led to spending more money would this be to buy something of a better quality? no of the same quality but a different branding? no made by workers who would earn more? no was the lesson about fair wages for workers? no is the lesson about buying something made locally? Why would that be a virtue? buying something made in your country? ditto is exploitation of workers relevant at all? no

would the 'spending more money' buy better customer service? nowould it mean buying from a shop with a better returns policy? no
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Since we seem to be having trouble with this lesson... is it something the rest of us would have learned at some point too? Even if our parents were Republicans? Libertarians? Green party? Other?
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Since we seem to be having trouble with this lesson... is it something the rest of us would have learned at some point too? possiblyEven if our parents were Republicans? Well, you wouldn't learn it from them!!Libertarians? dittoGreen party?maybe Other?ditto
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Would the spending more money happen in shops? Would it involve buying things? More things? More expensive things? Or giving away money but not buying things? Giving money to charity?

Did the lesson involve helping others? Did it involve comparing your situation (ie your family could afford to buy two expensive coats) with others' situations?
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Do you really hold the world record for most letters published in the New York Times?

Does the "aha!" moment in the lesson come when...
Her parents let her buy the 1st coat?
Her parents buy her the 2nd coat?
Her parents explain something to her?
She completes some sort of action after all these events?
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Would the spending more money happen in shops? no Would it involve buying things? noMore things? noMore expensive things? no Or giving away money yes but not buying things? no Giving money to charity? no

Did the lesson involve helping others?b{ yes} Did it involve comparing your situation (ie your family could afford to buy two expensive coats) with others' situations? Yes, but my family could not have afforded to buy 2 expensive coats. They were 2 middle-priced coats.
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Do you really hold the world record for most letters published in the New York Times? I have no idea whether there even is such a record, let alone whether, if so, I hold it.

Does the "aha!" moment in the lesson come when...
Her parents let her buy the 1st coat? no
Her parents buy her the 2nd coat? noish
Her parents explain something to her? yes
She completes some sort of action after all these events? no, but you're ORT
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Giving money to other people? Giving objects to other people?

Did you keep the first coat? Give it away? Sell it?

Was the lesson anything along the lines of 'we helped you out, you should help others out'? 'Some people couldn't even afford one coat, so you should help them'?
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was the first coat old in part exchange for the other? sold? given away?
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Enjay (Enjay)
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Post Number: 1662
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Posted on Friday, September 21, 2012 - 5:38 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Giving money to other people? yes Giving objects to other people? no

Did you keep the first coat? yes Give it away? no Sell it? no

Was the lesson anything along the lines of 'we helped you out, you should help others out'? yes 'Some people couldn't even afford one coat, so you should help them'? no
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Friday, September 21, 2012 - 6:18 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
was the first coat old in part exchange for the other? no sold? no given away? no


******** SPOILER *************
When I bought a very impractical rabbit fur coat in high school, my parents said it would shed well before I was due to get a new coat, "so if you keep this one, don't expect us to pay for a replacement when it wears out." I loved the coat, so I kept it, & it did wear out in a few months. But my parents gave me money for a replacement. When I modeled my boring sensible navy blue replacement coat, my father said he hoped I had learned a lesson. Not mentioning that the pleasure I derived from the rabbit coat in its prime would have been worth it it any case, I assured him (not very sincerely) that I would buy sensible winter coats in the future. He said that wasn't the lesson he meant. The lesson he meant was that if someone needs your help and you can give it, you should do so without worrying about whether his predicament is his own fault. "Keep that in mind when you're old enough to vote," he added. Keep in mind that my new puzzle awaits you at the bottom of this page.
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 5:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hmm... were your parents alive during the Great Depression?

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