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Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Saturday, December 08, 2012 - 8:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Madeleine put a lot of time and effort into knitting a cardigen. Yet, a month later, she cuts open one of the sleeves.
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Posted on Saturday, December 08, 2012 - 9:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she knit it for herself, or for someone else?
Would she have done the same if it had been a pullover?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Saturday, December 08, 2012 - 9:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she knit it for herself, no or for someone else? yes
Would she have done the same if it had been a pullover? yes
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Saturday, December 08, 2012 - 9:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Of course, it's supposed to say "cardigan". Shame on me.
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Posted on Saturday, December 08, 2012 - 9:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant who she made it for? Did she give it to them? Did she cut it with their permission?

Did she later repair the sleeve? Was she altering the cardigan? Its size? Style?

Was she aiming to destroy the cardigan? Remove something from the sleeve? Get hold of the wool? Put something in the cardigan? Did she know when she made the cardigan that she would later cut the sleeve open?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Saturday, December 08, 2012 - 10:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant who she made it for? yes - her daughter Did she give it to them? yes, but... Did she cut it with their permission? no

Did she later repair the sleeve? yesish Was she altering the cardigan? yesish Its size? Style? but no to these

Was she aiming to destroy the cardigan? Remove something from the sleeve? Get hold of the wool? no to these Put something in the cardigan? yesish Did she know when she made the cardigan that she would later cut the sleeve open? no!
Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Saturday, December 08, 2012 - 10:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she plan to return the cardigan to her daughter afterwards, without her daughter knowing?

Did she sew an object into the sleeve? Change the pattern? The colour? Repair a fault? Strengthen it?

Was she doing something to benefit her daughter? Herself?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Did she plan to return the cardigan to her daughter afterwards, without her daughter knowing? no

Did she sew an object into the sleeve? this, no to rest Change the pattern? The colour? Repair a fault? Strengthen it?

Was she doing something to benefit her daughter? Herself? no to both
Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Saturday, December 08, 2012 - 10:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she hiding something?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Was she hiding something? no
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Posted on Sunday, December 09, 2012 - 2:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did the object have sentimental value to her? to her daughter?
Is there a third relevant person in this puzzle? more?
is it relevant where on the sleeve the cut was?
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Posted on Sunday, December 09, 2012 - 11:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was the thing a badge? was it a school cardigan? brownies (girl scouts)?
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Hi, Are102, and welcome to the LTPF!

did the object have sentimental value to her? to her daughter? no to both
Is there a third relevant person in this puzzle? yes - a girl a bit younger than Madeleine's daughter more? no
is it relevant where on the sleeve the cut was? yes - all the way from the wrist to the crook of the arm

was the thing a badge? was it a school cardigan? brownies (girl scouts)? no to all
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Is the period of a month specifically relevant? Did something happen after a month that led Madeleine to cut the cardigan? Did her daughter know she had taken the cardigan? Did she know she had cut it? Was the cardigan returned to her afterwards?

The other relevant girl - does she know Madeleine? The daughter? Did she ever see the cardigan? Wear it?

Was the object sewn in to the cardigan visible once it was sewn up? Was it hard? Soft? Made of fabric? Metal? Plastic? Wood? Was it a button?
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Posted on Sunday, December 09, 2012 - 12:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the period of a month specifically relevant? no, see next question Did something happen after a month that led Madeleine to cut the cardigan? yes. This is based on a true story and I'm not sure if the time span was actually one month, but let's just assume it. Did her daughter know she had taken the cardigan? yes Did she know she had cut it? yes Was the cardigan returned to her afterwards? no!

The other relevant girl - does she know Madeleine? yes The daughter? yes, she's her cousin Did she ever see the cardigan? yes Wear it? {yes}

Was the object sewn in to the cardigan visible once it was sewn up? yes Was it hard? this Soft? Made of fabric? this and Metal? either this Plastic? or that Wood? Was it a button? no, but OTRT
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Posted on Sunday, December 09, 2012 - 12:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it a zipper?
Was the cardigan given to the cousin? Permanently? With the daughter's permission?

Is an injury involved? An illness?
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Posted on Sunday, December 09, 2012 - 12:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it a zipper? yes
Was the cardigan given to the cousin? yes Permanently? yes With the daughter's permission? no

Is an injury involved? yes An illness? no
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Posted on Sunday, December 09, 2012 - 12:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she break her arm and need a cardigan that would fit over the cast? Hurt her arm in some other way? Did the zipper allow access to her arm for injections/blood samples/a drip or similar?
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Posted on Sunday, December 09, 2012 - 12:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she break her arm yes and need a cardigan that would fit over the cast? yope Hurt her arm in some other way? Did the zipper allow access to her arm for injections/blood samples/a drip or similar? no to rest
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Was a normal cardigan impossible to put on?
Did she have a cast? A sling? Was her arm swollen?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Sunday, December 09, 2012 - 2:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was a normal cardigan impossible to put on? yes
Did she have a cast? yes A sling? Was her arm swollen? no to all
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Would the re-tailored (if that's the right word) cardigan fit over the cast with the zipper open?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Would the re-tailored (if that's the right word) cardigan fit over the cast with the zipper open? yes
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Was the idea that after her cast came off, she could close the zipper and continue wearing it?

Relevant why she needed a cardigan and couldn't just wear something with loose sleeves while she had her cast?
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Was the idea that after her cast came off, she could close the zipper and continue wearing it? yes

Relevant why she needed a cardigan and couldn't just wear something with loose sleeves while she had her cast? FA! She didn't need a cardigan. Why was it a cardigan nevertheless?
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Did she need something warm? Was it difficult for her to get a pullover over her head due to her injury?

Did the cousin ask for the cardigan? Did the daughter offer it? Did the cardigan have some kind of sentimental value? Could Madeleine equally have bought a cardigan and cut open the sleeve?
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Did she need something warm? Was it difficult for her to get a pullover over her head due to her injury? no to all

Did the cousin ask for the cardigan? no Did the daughter offer it? no Did the cardigan have some kind of sentimental value? no Could Madeleine equally have bought a cardigan and cut open the sleeve? noish
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Was there something relevant about the specific cardigan that Madeleine made? The colour? Material? Style? Size? The fact it was home made?

Was the cousin wearing the cardigan when she broke her arm? When the cast was put on? When Madeleine cut the sleeve?
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Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 11:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was there something relevant about the specific cardigan that Madeleine made? The colour? Material? Style? Size? no to these The fact it was home made? somewhat

Was the cousin wearing the cardigan when she broke her arm? When the cast was put on? When Madeleine cut the sleeve? no to all
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Oh and there's something else that is very relevant about the cardigan.
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Did Madeleine decide to give the cardigan to the cousin? Was her daughter happy about it? Relevant?

Was the cardigan given to the cousin before she broke her arm? After?

Relevant how she broke her arm? An accident? Was she attacked? Were Madeleine or her daughter at fault?
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Did Madeleine decide to give the cardigan to the cousin? yes Was her daughter happy about it? no Relevant? yes!

Was the cardigan given to the cousin before she broke her arm? After? this

Relevant how she broke her arm? yes An accident? yope Was she attacked? no Were Madeleine or her daughter at fault? yes, her daughter!

Very good round of questions!
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Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 12:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were the girls fighting? Playing together? Did the daughter cause an accident?

Did Madeleine give the cardigan to the cousin to make up for her daughter's actions? To placate someone who was angry about what had happened? To punish her daughter?
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Were the girls fighting? Playing together? this Did the daughter cause an accident? yope

Did Madeleine give the cardigan to the cousin to make up for her daughter's actions? yesish To placate someone who was angry about what had happened? no To punish her daughter? yes

Nice work, Enjay! Time for the

********SPOILER********
Two little girls (Let's call them Patty and Selma) were playing together. The older one, Patty, knew how to do a somersault and wanted to teach Selma how to do it. She thought it'd be a good idea to hold Selma's arm in place while she rolled over... Turned out to be a pretty bad idea because Selma broke her arm.

As a punishment for Patty and a consolation for Selma, Patty had to give her cousin her new cardigan. Her mother cut open one of the sleeves and sew in a zipper so that it would fit over the cast.

(The two girls are my mother and her cousin, and Madeleine is my grandma.)


New puzzle will be up right away, and please don't neglect my other two long-running puzzles (:

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