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[GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:21 pm

The first is a virtue, making thing more pleasant.
The second is a vice, with dire consequences.
The third is a practical consideration, for the sake of efficiency.

Can these three together make something never seen before?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:29 pm

Virtue - love? kindness? hope? cleanliness?

Vice - smoking? drinking too much? envy? laziness? carelessness?

Are the three related in any way?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Zanreo » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:46 am

Is a person with the virtue relevant? With the vice? If so, is this the same person with both the virtue and vice?
More pleasant: For whoever has the virtue? For others? For something else?
Consequences: For whoever has the vice? For others? For something else?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:49 am

Virtue - love? kindness? hope? cleanliness? No to all.

Vice - smoking? drinking too much? envy? laziness? carelessness? No to all.

Are the three related in any way? Yope.

Is a person with the virtue relevant? [b]Noish.[/b] With the vice? No. If so, is this the same person with both the virtue and vice? Yope.
More pleasant: For whoever has the virtue? For others? This. For something else?
Consequences: For whoever has the vice? For others? For something else? [b]Everyone.[/b]
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:32 am

Are animals relevant?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:58 am

Are animals relevant? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby emeraldink » Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:29 pm

Are any of these relevant:

Stunt doubles
2-player teams ( cops, tennisists, dancers, horse / rider )
Twins
Inner ego
Body / mind
Enchanted <anything>
Ghosts
Doppelgangers
Hidden meaning ( literal / figurative )
Substitute teachers?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:37 pm

Are any of these relevant:

Stunt doubles
2-player teams ( cops, tennisists, dancers, horse / rider )
Twins
Inner ego
Body / mind
Enchanted <anything>
Ghosts
Doppelgangers
Hidden meaning ( literal / figurative )
Substitute teachers?
No.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:14 am

Is the vice one that can land you in jail?

Is the virtue charity? cleanliness?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:48 am

Is the vice one that can land you in jail? No (except severe cases which has no relation to the puzzle case).

Is the virtue charity? No. cleanliness? No. Cleanliness is closer though.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Zanreo » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:01 am

Virtue: being healthy? Hygiene?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:32 pm

Virtue: being healthy? Hygiene? No to both.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby emeraldink » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:48 pm

Is word "fastidious" relevant?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:37 am

Is word "fastidious" relevant? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby emeraldink » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:52 am

Something like "ethical hacking"?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:18 pm

Something like "ethical hacking"? No, thought I'd like to make such a puzzle some time.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:25 pm

Is the virtue keeping up a neat appearance?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:55 pm

Is the virtue keeping up a neat appearance? Yes, explore.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:10 am

Is the virtue taking care of ones physical appearance? if so, more in general? or more specifically in how one dresses?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:02 am

Is the virtue taking care of ones physical appearance? No, but... if so, more in general? No. or more specifically in how one dresses? No, but something else specific.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:43 am

Is the virtue related to preventing diseases? is it related to moderation in something?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:22 am

Is the virtue related to preventing diseases? is it related to moderation in something? No to both.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:29 pm

Does the vice involve gambling?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:21 am

Does the vice involve gambling? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:48 am

Does the virtue involve how one smells?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:12 pm

Does the virtue involve how one smells? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:03 pm

Is the virtue just overall taking care of ones physical self?

Does the vice involved food? drink? hurting other people? something gross? sloth? quick temper? envy? greed? lack of temperance?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:51 am

Is the virtue just overall taking care of ones physical self?
No.
Does the vice involved food? drink? hurting other people? No to all. something gross? Noish. sloth? quick temper? envy? greed? lack of temperance? No to the rest.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:15 am

Is the virtue exercising? Performing a specific sport?
Can anyone have this virtue? Is it visible at a first glance if someone has the virtue?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:06 pm

Is the virtue exercising? Performing a specific sport? No to both.
Can anyone have this virtue? In general, yes, but not in this specific way. Is it visible at a first glance if someone has the virtue? Depends.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:14 pm

Does the virtue involve big muscles?

Is the vice's "dire consequences" death? is a vehicle involved?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:16 pm

Does the virtue involve big muscles? No.
Is the vice's "dire consequences" death? No(ish). is a vehicle involved? They are part of the picture.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:23 pm

Is the vice being reckless in general? driving too fast in a car?

Does the virtue involve hair?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:09 pm

Is the virtue performed on oneself? On someone else? Does it require a tangible item to perform?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:31 pm

Is the vice being reckless in general? driving too fast in a car? No to both.

Does the virtue involve hair? No.


Is the virtue performed on oneself? On someone else? No to both. Does it require a tangible item to perform? Yes.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:33 pm

Does the virtue concern the external look of things (as opposed to people)? Does the virtue have to do with tidying?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:37 pm

Does the virtue concern the external look of things (as opposed to people)? Yes. Does the virtue have to do with tidying? Noish.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:51 pm

Does the virtue concernt the external look of one specific thing? A group of things? Things in general? Does it have to do with painting? With placing things in order?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:55 pm

Does the virtue concernt the external look of one specific thing? Yesish. A group of things? Technically yes, but nobody Thinks of it like that. Things in general? Noish. Does it have to do with painting? With placing things in order? No to both.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:01 pm

Does the virtue concern a house? A car? An office? A desk? Does it involve cleaning? Does it involve refraining from something rather than doing something?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:04 pm

Does the virtue concern a house? A car? An office? A desk? Does it involve cleaning? Does it involve refraining from something rather than doing something? No to all.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:37 pm

Does the virtue concern being organized?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:48 pm

Does the virtue concern being organized? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:52 pm

Does the virtue concern a computer? Does it concern one's job? One's leisure? One's family life?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:06 pm

Does the virtue concern a computer? No. Does it concern one's job? The person who performs it does his or her job. One's leisure? It affects other people's leisure. One's family life? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:22 pm

The job = is it related to the hospitality industry?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:41 pm

The job = is it related to the hospitality industry? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:00 am

Does the virtue have to do with food? With natural environment? With travelling?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:04 pm

Does the virtue have to do with food? With natural environment? This. With travelling?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:51 pm

Does the virtue have to do with air? ground? water? plants? animals? landscapes? Does it involve transportation? Noise? Power sources?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:35 pm

Does the virtue have to do with air? ground? This. water? plants? This. animals? landscapes? And this. Does it involve transportation? Noise? Power sources? It is often done using a noisy power source.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:36 pm

Does the virtue involve planting plants? Cutting down trees? Digging in the ground? Coal mining relevant? Other substances mining?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:42 pm

Does the virtue involve planting plants? Cutting down trees? Digging in the ground? Coal mining relevant? Other substances mining? No to all.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:48 pm

Is the virtue performed with a machine? a vehicle? Are flowers relevant?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:28 pm

Is the virtue cutting your yard?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:13 am

the virtue performed with a machine? Yes. a vehicle? Often, yes.Are flowers relevant? Yes, though they are not part of the virtue itself.

Is the virtue cutting your yard? Not your yard, but otherwise yes.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:03 am

The virtue is cutting, but not ones yard? is it cutting grass in public areas?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:21 am

The virtue is cutting, but not ones yard? is it cutting grass in public areas? Correct. The virtue is the city keeping the grass in public areas short and neat.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:40 am

Is the vice also related to public areas?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:42 am

Is the vice also related to public areas? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:47 am

Is the vice "performed" by the city too? by society in general? by government? Does it have to do with plants? animals? buildings? transportation?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:28 pm

Is the vice "performed" by the city too? by society in general? This. by government? They affect it. Does it have to do with plants? animals? It affects them. buildings? Indirectly. transportation? Yes, but not only this.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:19 pm

Is the vice littering?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:35 pm

Is the vice littering? No, but OTRT.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:40 pm

Is the vice polluting? making lots of noise?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:48 pm

Is the vice polluting? Yesish, specifically... making lots of noise? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:57 pm

Polluting the air? water? dumping toxic waste?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:46 am

Polluting the air? Only this. water? dumping toxic waste?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:50 am

Is polluting the air relevant in general? Does the vice concern something specific about polluting the air? Is it relevant that some types of lawn mowers also pollute the air?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:55 am

Is polluting the air relevant in general? Hope. Does the vice concern something specific about polluting the air? Yes. Is it relevant that some types of lawn mowers also pollute the air? Not really.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:00 am

Does the vice concern polluting the air by a specific action? By using certain equipment? Does the vice concern polluting the air with certain substance? Are greenhouse gases relevant to this puzzle? Is global warming relevant to this puzzle?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:00 pm

Does the vice concern polluting the air by a specific action? By using certain equipment? Does the vice concern polluting the air with certain substance? See next. Are greenhouse gases relevant to this puzzle? Is global warming relevant to this puzzle? Yes to both. The vice is raising the CO2 levels, leading to warmer climate.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:24 pm

Is plant growth relevant?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:20 pm

Are cows relevant to this puzzle?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:25 pm

Is plant growth relevant? Yes.

Are cows relevant to this puzzle?No.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:38 pm

Is the practical consideration how to deal with higher grass growth? is the something new a different type of lawnmower?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:57 am

Is the practical consideration how to deal with higher grass growth? is the something new a different type of lawnmower? No to both.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:58 am

Are other types of plants than grass relevant? Is frequency of lawnmowing a factor in this puzzle? Does the practical consideration concern grass? Mowing? CO2? Global warming? Leisure?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:14 pm

Are other types of plants than grass relevant? Yes. Is frequency of lawnmowing a factor in this puzzle? Yes. Does the practical consideration concern grass? Mowing? Both of these, indirectly. No to the rest.CO2? Global warming? Leisure?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:55 pm

Something never seen before = new type of plant(s)?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:40 am

Something never seen before = new type of plant(s)? Yes, DOYD of "type".
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:24 am

Is new species of plants involved? Perhaps a species that would grow slowlier than grass? Is moss relevant?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:10 pm

Is new species of plants involved? Yes. Perhaps a species that would grow slowlier than grass? Definitely not. Is moss relevant? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:44 pm

A species that would mow itself? :)

A species that would grow faster than grass?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:57 pm

A species that would mow itself? Haha, no.

A species that would grow faster than grass? Existing relevant species already do that.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:02 pm

A species of plant that eats grass? species of grass that grows faster than grass typically does now?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:52 pm

A species that would use more carbon dioxide as they grow? A species that would not need mowing? A species that would be useful after having been mowed?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:27 am

A species of plant that eats grass? species of grass that grows faster than grass typically does now? No to both.


A species that would use more carbon dioxide as they grow? A species that would not need mowing? A species that would be useful after having been mowed? No to all.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:30 pm

Does the efficiency in puzzle sentence pertain to grass mowing? grass growing? air pollution? global warming? greenhouse gases?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:46 pm

Does the efficiency in puzzle sentence pertain to grass mowing? This. grass growing? air pollution? global warming? greenhouse gases?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:46 pm

Is the practical consideration to let the grass grow and not mow at all? (Weedy and overgrown lawns/public areas were somewhat trendy in the distant past.) not mow to save time? money? work?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:04 pm

Does the efficiency mean that grass is mown faster? less frequently? not at all? that more grass is mown at once?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:17 pm

Is the practical consideration to let the grass grow and not mow at all? Yope. (Weedy and overgrown lawns/public areas were somewhat trendy in the distant past.) Not like this though. not mow to save time? money? work? All of these, but mostly Money.

Does the efficiency mean that grass is mown faster? less frequently? No. not at all? Yope, explore. that more grass is mown at once? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:08 pm

Does the practical consideration involve replacing grass with something else (possibly something that does not require mowing)? Is there a type of plant that does not grow over certain size?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:25 pm

Does the practical consideration involve replacing grass with something else (possibly something that does not require mowing)? No. Is there a type of plant that does not grow over certain size? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:33 am

Is cutting the grass with other tools than lawnmowers relevant? Are details of lawnmowing relevant (as: how many people do this, for how long, in which direction etc.)?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:07 pm

Is cutting the grass with other tools than lawnmowers relevant? Are details of lawnmowing relevant (as: how many people do this, for how long, in which direction etc.)? No to all.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:15 pm

If the efficiency means that grass is not mown at all, is it then let to grow freely? Is it somehow kept from reaching certain size? Is there then no grass at all?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:35 pm

If the efficiency means that grass is not mown at all, is it then let to grow freely? Yesish, watch out for FA. Is it somehow kept from reaching certain size? Yope, explore. Is there then no grass at all? There is grass.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:37 pm

Are vines also relevant? weeds? flowers?

Is shaping and cutting grass sans a lawnmower relevant? new invention relevant?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:40 pm

Are vines also relevant? weeds? No to both. flowers? Yes.

Is shaping and cutting grass sans a lawnmower relevant? Just cutting it short. new invention relevant? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:36 pm

Are there flowers along with grass? When the grass is mown, are flowers cut too?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:30 pm

Are there flowers along with grass? When the grass is mown, are flowers cut too? Yes to both.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:50 pm

Does anything else happen to flowers than to grass? Are there kids interested with picking up flowers? Had there been more flowers, would there be no need to mow the grass?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:01 pm

Does anything else happen to flowers than to grass? Well, mowed flowers are more useless than mowed grass. Are there kids interested with picking up flowers? No/irr. Had there been more flowers, would there be no need to mow the grass? Unknown/irr
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:10 pm

Is it relevant that flowers growing on grass usually do not grow so high as the grass? Are people more likely to leisure on flowery surface than just grass? Does many people leisuring on flowery surface keep the grass and flowers low so that it does not need to be mowed?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:53 am

Is it relevant that flowers growing on grass usually do not grow so high as the grass? No, but... Are people more likely to leisure on flowery surface than just grass? No. Does many people leisuring on flowery surface keep the grass and flowers low so that it does not need to be mowed? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:17 pm

Is the idea of self-mowing grass relevant at all? In the "efficient" scenario, would the grass not need mowing?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:56 am

Is the idea of self-mowing grass relevant at all? No. In the "efficient" scenario, would the grass not need mowing? Correct.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:25 pm

Is the efficient aspect related to grass and flowers staying so short that they don't need to be mowed?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:11 pm

Is the efficient aspect related to grass Yes. and flowers No or FA. staying so short that they don't need to be mowed? Correct.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:47 pm

Do flowers increase the efficiency? Decrease? Are flowers neutral to the eficiency? Would the grass be kept short by humans? by animals? by a natural process?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:03 pm

Do flowers increase the efficiency? Decrease? Are flowers neutral to the eficiency? This. Would the grass be kept short by humans? When it is being mown, this. y animals? by a natural process? When not, this.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:01 am

Are flowers relevant to the natural process of keeping the grass short? Do they relevantly drain water? Do they relevantly absorb what the grass needs to grow? Do they attract grass-eaters? Can the natural process be started by humans?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:05 pm

Are flowers relevant to the natural process of keeping the grass short? No. Do they relevantly drain water? Do they relevantly absorb what the grass needs to grow? Do they attract grass-eaters? No to all. Can the natural process be started by humans? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby kalira » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:18 pm

Is the practical consideration just letting (wild) animals "mow" the grass by eating it? Making for less CO2 emissions from mowers?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:22 pm

Is the practical consideration just letting (wild) animals "mow" the grass by eating it? No. Making for less CO2 emissions from mowers? This is not why it's practical.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby RedWine » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:05 pm

Would the grass earlier die from lack of water or sun exposure than it would grow that high it needs to be mowed?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:48 am

Would the grass earlier die from lack of water No. or sun exposure Noish but OTRT. than it would grow that high it needs to be mowed? Correct.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Grip » Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:48 pm

Is grass dying from lack of sunlight relevant?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:09 am

Is grass dying from lack of sunlight relevant? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Hobbsicle » Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:26 am

So the practical consideration involves letting a natural cause happen?
And the natural cause kills the grass?
If so, does it die related to the climate change? To weather? To a chemical of some kind? By other plants?
Does this practical consideration involve grass in a certain place? A certain type of place? Or just grass generally?
Would the new species be a new species of grass? A new species of flowers?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:42 am

So the practical consideration involves letting a natural cause happen? Yes.
And the natural cause kills the grass? Eventually.
If so, does it die related to the climate change? To weather? This only. To a chemical of some kind? By other plants?
Does this practical consideration involve grass in a certain place? A certain type of place? This. Or just grass generally?
Would the new species be a new species of grass? A new species of flowers? This.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Hobbsicle » Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:58 pm

Does it die due to temperature? Hot? Cold? Normal season change? Wind? Rain? Hail? Ice?
Would the new species arrive by evolution/adaptation? Would it be stronger? More resilient?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:42 pm

Does it die due to temperature? Yes. Hot? Cold? This. Normal season change? Yes(ish). Wind? Rain? Hail? Ice?
Would the new species arrive by evolution/adaptation? Yes. Would it be stronger? No. More resilient? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Hobbsicle » Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:16 pm

Is the grass in consideration in colder climates? Or higher altitude?
Is there a specific relevant flower type that will be evolving? Or flowers in general (at these relevant locations)?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:00 am

Is the grass in consideration in colder climates? Or higher altitude? Anywhere with a grass-killing winter works.
Is there a specific relevant flower type that will be evolving? Yes. Or flowers in general (at these relevant locations)? Other flowers might also.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Hobbsicle » Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:28 pm

Ok, so to back up a bit, we have the first being mowing grass, the second being pollution causing climate change, and the third being letting the grass die in winter? And all of these things together might produce a new type of flower?
Would the flower thrive when the grass doesn't? Are there flowers already present in the grass that you're thinking of? Would they be negatively affected by the three things? Would they have a shorter lifecycle?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:49 pm

Ok, so to back up a bit, we have the first being mowing grass Yes., the second being pollution causing climate change Yes., and the third being letting the grass die in winter? More like "not mowing it anymore once it stops growing". And all of these things together might produce a new type of flower? Yesish - a separate species.
Would the flower thrive when the grass doesn't? Yes. Are there flowers already present in the grass that you're thinking of? Yes. Would they be negatively affected by the three things? They are negatively affected by the grass being mowed. Would they have a shorter lifecycle? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby kalira » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:08 pm

WAG: does this have anything to do with dandelions? bees?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:38 pm

WAG: does this have anything to do with dandelions? bees? No to both.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Hobbsicle » Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:24 pm

Would the new species grow only (or also) in cold weather when it would not be mowed down?
And climate change is relevant because it could cause some areas to have harsher or longer winters?
Or perhaps the warmer winters still kill the grass, but allow the flowers to grow?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:51 pm

Would the new species grow only (or also) in cold weather when it would not be mowed down? It would grow only after the mowing ended for the year.
And climate change is relevant because it could cause some areas to have harsher or longer winters? No.
Or perhaps the warmer winters still kill the grass, but allow the flowers to grow? No, the flowers will also die eventually.
I may have inadvertently caused an FA. To clear it, a hint: after global warming, the mowing stops not when the grass stops growing, but...
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:36 pm

The relevant effects of global warming: increased temperatures during winter? Increased temperatures generally? Floods? Plants dying? People dying?

Is there a relevant attribute of the current flowers? If so, where it grows? How fast it grows? When it grows? Lifespan? Size? Shape? Color?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby biograd » Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:16 pm

When you say the three things might "produce" a new species of flower, do you mean that they could select for the evolution of different behavior in some species of flower (such that growth and reproduction is optimized under the new human-imposed conditions)? or that the conditions will lead humans to choose to plant a different type of flower there?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:11 pm

The relevant effects of global warming: increased temperatures during winter? Thisish - shorter winter. Increased temperatures generally? Floods? Plants dying? People dying? No to the rest.

Is there a relevant attribute of the current flowers? Yes. If so, where it grows? Yes. How fast it grows? No. When it grows? Yes. Lifespan? Noish. Size? Yesish. Shape? Color? No to both.

When you say the three things might "produce" a new species of flower, do you mean that they could select for the evolution of different behavior in some species of flower (such that growth and reproduction is optimized under the new human-imposed conditions)? Yes. or that the conditions will lead humans to choose to plant a different type of flower there? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Hobbsicle » Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:48 am

It grows in the grass, correct? Is there another relevant aspect to where it grows? Like type of location? Or proximity to something else?
Are they perennials? Do they grow in spring and summer? Die back in the fall and winter?
Are they taller than the grass? Shorter? Same height? Is there more relevance to their size?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:59 am

It grows in the grass, correct? Yes. Is there another relevant aspect to where it grows? Like type of location? Or proximity to something else? Only that some of them try to grow in grass that is being cut all summer.
Are they perennials? Yes. Do they grow in spring and summer? Normally in the first half of summer.Die back in the fall and winter? Yes, normally.
Are they taller than the grass? Yes, this is relevant. Shorter? Same height? Is there more relevance to their size? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Hobbsicle » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:15 am

So in this new scenario, the grass is being cut nearly all year, because of shorter winters, and is only not being cut in whatever small amount of winter is left. This correct?

And so the flower is almost always being cut such that it never blooms? Would the new species only bloom in that small amount of winter? Is the grass only not being mowed when there is snow? So it becomes a snow flower?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:08 pm

So in this new scenario, the grass is being cut nearly all year, because of shorter winters, and is only not being cut in whatever small amount of winter is left. This correct? No, because...

And so the flower is almost always being cut such that it never blooms? Not "never", but OTRT. Would the new species only bloom in that small amount of winter? It would bloom just before winter. Is the grass only not being mowed when there is snow? No, it is also relevantly not mowed when there is no snow. So it becomes a snow flower? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Hobbsicle » Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:22 pm

In the new scenario, is the grass even being cut at all? Is the grass even still present? Do they stop mowing because of the flowers?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:11 pm

In the new scenario, is the grass even being cut at all? Is the grass even still present? Yes to both. Do they stop mowing because of the flowers? No.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby Hobbsicle » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:46 am

Whew, trying to keep the details straight here

Ok, so in this new scenario, there are still people? Still grass? Still flowers in the grass?
The people still mow the grass during the warmer months? Presumably to make things look nice still (the virtue)? And this keeps the flowers from growing? Or at least blooming? Because they are taller than the grass?
Global warming (the vice) has caused shorter winters? And at some point, approaching winter, they stop mowing (practical consideration)? But not just when the grass stops growing? Before the grass stops growing? Do they stop mowing at the same time of year as before? Which leaves a gap for the flowers to grow?
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the ugly

Postby GalFisk » Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:56 am

Ok, so in this new scenario, there are still people? Still grass? Still flowers in the grass?
The people still mow the grass during the warmer months? Presumably to make things look nice still (the virtue)? And this keeps the flowers from growing? Or at least blooming? Because they are taller than the grass?
Global warming (the vice) has caused shorter winters? And at some point, approaching winter, they stop mowing (practical consideration)? But not just when the grass stops growing? Before the grass stops growing? Do they stop mowing at the same time of year as before? Which leaves a gap for the flowers to grow?

Yes to all, and good enough for the SPOILER:
The bureaucracy dictates that mowing of parks and other public grass should end in the beginning of october. If winters keep being as mild as this one, and bureaucracy as tenuously connected to reality as always, this will give bluebells a chance to flower on public grass in the autumn, while those in wild grass flower during summer. If the october bluebells only get to pollinate other late bloomers, we may get two separate species.
I'm no botanist and have no idea if this is likely to happen, but last year was the first time I saw bluebells in october.
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Re: [GalFisk] The good, the bad and the SOLVED

Postby Hobbsicle » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:13 pm

Aha. I should have thought about the regulated cut-off time earlier, but I didn't come up with it until halfway through that final post.

I'm no botanist either, so makes sense to me.
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