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Postby WiZ » Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:28 pm

How did a politician generate a lot of wealth through giving his low-level staff free tattoos?
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Postby Zanreo » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:20 pm

Relevant what the tattoos were? What specific job the staff had?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:32 pm

Relevant what the tattoos were? yes What specific job the staff had? yope - more the rank than the responsibilities
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Postby Doriana » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:57 pm

True story? If not, FYOI? FSEI?

The politician = H/A/M?

Was the politician active at a national? regional? local level? Relevant?

Did the staff members have a choice whether to get a tattoo or not? Did they have a choice regarding what tattoo they got? Where (as in where on their bodies) they got it? Did they all get the same tattoo?

Relevant where on the body the tattoo was? If so, arms? legs? head/face? back? upper body? private parts?

Not sure if I would call him a politician, but is Lord Voldemort relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:13 pm

Hi Doriana. Wonderful to see you again.

True story? yes If not, FYOI? FSEI?

The politician = H/A/M? yes to all

Was the politician active at a national? regional? local level? this Relevant? yesish - largely for context

Did the staff members have a choice whether to get a tattoo or not? hard to say - I would speculate that there would be consequences if they refused, but this isn't what drove them to accept the offer Did they have a choice regarding what tattoo they got? no Where (as in where on their bodies) they got it? no Did they all get the same tattoo? The same style of tattoo, yes

Relevant where on the body the tattoo was? yes If so, arms? legs? head/face this? back? upper body? private parts? no to rest

Not sure if I would call him a politician, but is Lord Voldemort relevant? no (Definition #2 in the Oxford Dictionary is 'a person who is good at using different situations in an organization to try to get power or advantage for himself or herself', which certainly describes you-know-who).
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby GalFisk » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:40 pm

Did he create wealth for: himself? The community? The staff? The local government? A company? Relevant where they got the tattoos? When? Did this happen in modern times? Were the tattoos visible most of the time? Deliberately hidden?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:43 pm

Did he create wealth for: himself? yes The community? yes The staff? no The local government? yes A company? no Relevant where they got the tattoos? yes When? yes Did this happen in modern times? Define 'modern' Were the tattoos visible most of the time? yes, relevantly Deliberately hidden? no
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Postby GalFisk » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:51 pm

21st century? 20th? 19th? 18th?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:54 pm

21st century? 20th? 19th? this 18th?
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Postby Grip » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:08 pm

Are Sand People relevant? Jawas? Oh, wait, that's just the puzzle title.

Did this occur in Asia? Africa? New Zealand? China?

Were the tattoos a image? words? mixture? did they say Send Money To (insert name of politician here)?

Was the staff paid for getting the tattoos? were the tattoos permanent?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:14 pm

Are Sand People relevant? Jawas? Oh, wait, that's just the puzzle title. It's a small world, after all.

Did this occur in Asia? Africa? New Zealand? yes (I do this a lot, don't I?) China?

Were the tattoos a image? noish words? no mixture? no, predominantly one 'thing' did they say Send Money To (insert name of politician here)? No, it was a little less direct

Was the staff paid for getting the tattoos? no were the tattoos permanent? yes
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Postby Balin » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:12 pm

Were the tattoos numbered?
Is ethnicity somehow relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:16 pm

Were the tattoos numbered? no
Is ethnicity somehow relevant? yes
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby Balin » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:23 pm

Hmm...
Do some of the staff already have facial tattoos before the politician's gift of them?
Do all receivers of the gift have the same ethnicity?
Does anyone not receive the gift? If so, are they of the same ethnicity?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:25 pm

Do some of the staff already have facial tattoos before the politician's gift of them? no
Do all receivers of the gift have the same ethnicity? yes
Does anyone not receive the gift? yes If so, are they of the same ethnicity? yes
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby peter365 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:26 pm

Are the traditional Maori tattoos relevant?

If so the people who got the free ones were non-maori? Tourism relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:13 pm

Are the traditional Maori tattoos relevant? yes

If so the people who got the free ones were non-maori? no! Tourism relevant? no
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby Doriana » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:00 pm

WAG: Does the politican give his staff members traditional Maori tattoos, then invite photographers/artists/journalists, then charge them for taking a picture of/portraying/writing about the tattoos? Thereby creating wealth?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:13 pm

WAG: Does the politican give his staff members traditional Maori tattoos, then invite photographers/artists/journalists, then charge them for taking a picture of/portraying/writing about the tattoos? Thereby creating wealth? Not this, unfortunately
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby Grip » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:26 pm

Are the politicians staff all Maori? at least the ones given the tattoos?

Are the Maori, in the end, pleased with the politicians (can I call him Frank?) actions?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:33 pm

Are the politicians staff all Maori? yes at least the ones given the tattoos? and yes

Are the Maori (assuming you mean the affected staff and not the ethnic group in general) , in the end, pleased with the politicians (can I call him Frank?) sure actions? no!
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Postby Grip » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:30 pm

Is it relevant why some Maori had the tattoos and some did not before Frank got involved?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:35 pm

Is it relevant why some Maori had the tattoos and some did not before Frank got involved? Yes
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Postby Grip » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:46 am

Was having tattoos a sign of rank among Maoris?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:31 am

Was having tattoos a sign of rank among Maoris? yes!
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Postby emeraldink » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:31 am

Where the gifted tattoos complete?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:32 pm

Where the gifted tattoos complete? Yes
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby emeraldink » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:00 am

Would a schema work as well if the tattoos were a bit more expensive?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:30 pm

Would a schema work as well if the tattoos were a bit more expensive? not at all
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby Balin » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:40 pm

Did the Maori workers appreciate the tattoos more than other gifts or honors Frank might give an employee (such as a raise)?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:58 pm

Did the Maori workers appreciate the tattoos more than other gifts or honors Frank might give an employee (such as a raise)? Initially, yes
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Postby Balin » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:49 pm

Did Frank intend to give his workers other gifts? Raises? Did the workers who did not get tattoos get something else?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:52 pm

Did Frank intend to give his workers other gifts? no! Raises? Did the workers who did not get tattoos get something else? no
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Postby Grip » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:45 pm

Did the Maoris given the tattoos not supposed to have them because they were of lower rank? and thus they got into trouble?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:59 pm

Did the Maoris given the tattoos not supposed to have them because they were of lower rank? correct and thus they got into trouble? they 'got into trouble', indeed, but not for this reason.
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby Grip » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:38 pm

Did the tattooing of the Maori lower ranked cause confusion? did some of them not like the responsibility of their new higher ranks?

Did the politician derive the wealth from the tattooed Maori themselves? did he charge any Maoris for anything?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:17 pm

Did the tattooing of the Maori lower ranked cause confusion? no did some of them not like the responsibility of their new higher ranks? 'responsibility' isn't right, but there was a decidedly unpalatable aspect of their new higher rank!

Did the politician derive the wealth from the tattooed Maori themselves? he didn't get any of their money, if that's what you were asking did he charge any Maoris for anything? no!
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Postby Grip » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:14 pm

Were the Maori's of already higher rank pis...ticked off about all this?

The unpalatable aspect - does it have anything to do with family? food?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:22 pm

Were the Maori's of already higher rank pis...ticked off about all this? It probably generated a bit of outrage among rival tribal elders/chiefs, but this is irrelevant. There is a more extrinsic factor that would have made them even angrier, but this isn't really relevant either.

The unpalatable aspect - does it have anything to do with family? food? neither
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Postby Grip » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:27 pm

Did anyone involved in this come with any violence as a result of it?

The unpalatable aspect - does it have to do with weather? living arrangements?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:29 pm

Did anyone involved in this come with any violence as a result of it? boy, do they ever

The unpalatable aspect - does it have to do with weather? no living it has to do with 'living', yes arrangements?
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Postby Grip » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:10 pm

Is the politician killed because of this? could his efforts be called a "scheme?" were his original intentions benign?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:23 pm

Is the politician killed because of this? no could his efforts be called a "scheme?" yes were his original intentions benign? no
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Postby Grip » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:34 pm

Did the politician (Greg, can I call him?) end up starting a war or feud among the Maori?

Are any specific individual Maori relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:37 pm

Did the politician (Greg, can I call him?) He's already called Frank :P send up starting a war or feud among the Maori? no (or perhaps indirectly, but that's outside the scope of the puzzle)

Are any specific individual Maori relevant? no
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Postby Grip » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:40 pm

Another Frank, eh? Frankly I've had enough of that name! :)

Did any Maori die due to this scheme? did Frank-Greg's scheme have the permission or blessing of his bosses/supervisors? was FG British? relevant? was he brutish? a British brute perhaps?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:44 pm

Another Frank, eh? Frankly I've had enough of that name! :) We can call him Gregfrank or Frankgreg if you wish.

Did any Maori die due to this scheme? yes did Frank-Greg's ah, I see you've already thought of this scheme have the permission or blessing of his bosses/supervisors? no, but he didn't need it was FG British? no! relevant? yes! was he brutish? his behaviour would certainly be seen as such a British brute perhaps? no
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Postby Grip » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:59 pm

Was FG also Maori? a high ranking one? adopted into the Maori? did he have a tattoo too? (Try saying that five times fast!)
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:16 am

Was FG also Maori? yes a high ranking one? yes adopted into the Maori? no did he have a tattoo too? (Try saying that five times fast!) yes, of the same nature
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Postby Grip » Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:09 am

Wealth = coins? paper money? jewels? precious metals/gems? land? beats of burden? mixture of one or more of these?

Did other Maoris have to die for Frank to collect the wealth? is inheritance relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:25 am

Wealth = coins? paper money? jewels? precious metals/gems? land? no to these, directly beats of burden? no, but this is closest mixture of one or more of these?

Did other Maoris have to die for Frank to collect the wealth? yes! is inheritance relevant? no
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Postby Balin » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:55 pm

By giving the tattoos, did Frank start a war among the Maori? Between multiple Maori tribes?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:56 pm

By giving the tattoos, did Frank start a war among the Maori? not relevantly Between multiple Maori tribes? n/a
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Postby Grip » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:07 pm

Did giving the Maoris the tattoo make them now obligated to him in some way? did it now mean when they died all their remaining wealth went to him?

Did this leader order the killing of or directly kill anyone himself?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:19 pm

Did giving the Maoris the tattoo make them now obligated to him in some way? No - no more or less than they were before the tattoos were administered did it now mean when they died all their remaining wealth went to him? no

Did this leader order the killing of or directly kill anyone himself? yes
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby Grip » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:40 am

Is some Maori law relevant here?

Frank-Greg's acquiring of the wealth - can it called collecting spoils? booty?

Are there any Maori women involved in this? or just men?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:43 am

Is some Maori law relevant here? no

Frank-Greg's acquiring of the wealth - can it called collecting spoils? booty? no

Are there any Maori women involved in this? or just men? just men
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby Grip » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:49 am

Does FG fight other Maori in hand to hand combat?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:50 am

Does FG fight other Maori in hand to hand combat? no
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:17 am

Is the military involved? The Maori Wars of the 19th century? earlier? later? WWI or II? The Maori 28th Battalion?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:44 pm

Is the military involved? The Maori Wars of the 19th century? earlier? later? WWI or II? The Maori 28th Battalion? no to all
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby RedWine » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:05 pm

When the Maori were given higher ranks, did FG need new low-rank staff? Did the high-ranked Maori need to pay a kind of contribution to the community? Did the community need to pay the low-rank Maori? Do all relevant people have the same obligations towards the community? Towards the leader? Were there prisoners involved?
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby WiZ » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:48 pm

When the Maori were given higher ranks, did FG need new low-rank staff? yes, but he could replenish them easily; this isn't really relevant Did the high-ranked Maori need to pay a kind of contribution to the community? no Did the community need to pay the low-rank Maori? no Do all relevant people have the same obligations towards the community? no Towards the leader? no Were there prisoners involved? not quite 'prisoner's, but very much ORT
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby Grip » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:11 pm

Were slaves involved?
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:51 am

Could some jobs, or tasks, have been done only by high-ranked Maori? If yes, were there enough high-ranked Maori to do these tasks well?
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:35 pm

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Were slaves involved? Yes, the 'low level staff' were all slaves

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Could some jobs, or tasks, have been done only by high-ranked Maori? Yes, but irrelevant If yes, were there enough high-ranked Maori to do these tasks well? yes
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Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:21 pm

Did FG free the slaves then? If yes, all of them? Some of them? For the intended income, could there be no slaves?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:30 pm

Did FG free the slaves then? no If yes, all of them? Some of them? n/a For the intended income, could there be no slaves? No - in fact, he required a source of slaves for his plan to work
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:43 pm

By giving the slaves the tattoos, did FG make them: supervisors to other slaves? Military men? Condemned to death? Obliged to special service?
Did all the relevant slaves belong to FG?
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:53 pm

By giving the slaves the tattoos, did FG make them: supervisors to other slaves? Military men? no to these Condemned to death? yes - although not so much as a natural consequence of the tattoos as this being the next step in his plan Obliged to special service? no
Did all the relevant slaves belong to FG? Yes - doing this with someone else's slaves would guarantee a bloody war
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby RedWine » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:58 pm

So, did FG want his slaves to die (be killed)? In order to get their belongings? Is giving them the tattoos they did not deserve a sufficient reason to kill them? Was there a tradition or procedure which limited who can be granted a tattoo and who can not? If yes, did FG break this tradition/procedure? Could there have been only a limited number of tattooed people?
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:05 pm

So, did FG want his slaves to die (be killed)? yes In order to get their belongings? Hard to answer accurately without giving too much away - he is after something that belongs to them. Is giving them the tattoos they did not deserve a sufficient reason to kill them? No - what he did would typically be viewed as morally bankrupt Was there a tradition or procedure which limited who can be granted a tattoo and who can not? yes If yes, did FG break this tradition/procedure? yes Could there have been only a limited number of tattooed people? No - but they were typically reserved for those with a certain level of prestige and influence, neither of which slaves had in any quantity
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:11 am

Did FG want the slaves' money? Other material stuff? Parts of their bodies? Their blood? Something intangible? Is it relevant how the slaves became slaves?
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby Grip » Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:29 pm

Is FG after the slaves children? so he could have slaves for the future?
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby antesse » Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:04 pm

Was the gained wealth something that would be seen as wealth only to FG? Maori? Islanders? Everyone?

Did this happen in the 21st century? 20th century? 19th century? 18th? 17th? 16th? Earlier? Of whichever century, 00s? 10s? 20s? 30s? 40s? 50s? 60s? 70s? 80s? 90s?
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:51 pm

Redwine

Did FG want the slaves' money? no Other material stuff? no Parts of their bodies? Yes!! Their blood? no Something intangible? no Is it relevant how the slaves became slaves? no

Grip

Is FG after the slaves children? so he could have slaves for the future? no to these

Antesse

Was the gained wealth something that would be seen as wealth only to FG? Maori? Islanders? Everyone? Everyone

Did this happen in the 21st century? 20th century? 19th century? this 18th? 17th? 16th? Earlier? Of whichever century, 00s? 10s? 20s? 30s? 40s? 50s? 60s? 70s? 80s? 90s?
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby antesse » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:09 pm

Does FG intend to keep the body parts? Sell the body parts? Use the body parts? Seems too early in time for this but is he trafficking organs? Is he using body parts for food? Anything having to do with eating brains or hearts or other organs to gain courage? Or other positive virtues?

Is the wealth the same as the body parts? Or different? Does he get wealth from what he does with the body parts? In exchange for the body parts?

Is the wealth money? Paper currency? Coins? Coin analogues like shells or stones? Trade goods such as sheep/goats/cows? Vouchers? Land? More slaves?

Is this story from real life? Fiction? Fantasy?
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:14 pm

Did FG want the slaves': heads? hair? bones? skulls? palms? feet? internal organs? Were the killed slaves male? female? mixed? Is their gender relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:17 pm

Does FG intend to keep the body parts? only for as long as it takes him to... Sell the body parts? Yes! (well, trade them, to be more precise) Use the body parts? only as a tradable commodity Seems too early in time for this but is he trafficking organs? no Is he using body parts for food? not in this case, although there was a bit of that going on at the time Anything having to do with eating brains or hearts or other organs to gain courage? Or other positive virtues? no to these

Is the wealth the same as the body parts? no Or different? yes Does he get wealth from what he does with the body parts? In exchange for the body parts? this

Is the wealth money? Paper currency? Coins? Coin analogues like shells or stones? Trade goods yes such as sheep/goats/cows? Vouchers? Land? More slaves? but not these - although they are useful in obtaining them...

Is this story from real life? yes - Maori chieftains were excellent lateral thinkers Fiction? Fantasy?
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby RedWine » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:31 pm

Is it relevant to whom FG trades the body parts? Is it relevant what the "purchaser" uses the body parts for? Is the "purchaser" aware that these are the body parts? Is the "purchaser" aware that the parts come from slaves' bodies?
Does FG pretend that body parts come from high-ranked Maori? Sorry if this is an ignorant question, but was there a situation in which people were paid (or given goods) for the proofs they killed the Maori?

Plus, I'd appreciate the answers to my questions above.
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby antesse » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:33 pm

So, to put things together...

FG gave his slave tattoos? That he wasn't supposed to give them? Because they were not the right status for the tattoos? So that the slaves would be killed? For having the wrong tattoos? So that FG could take the body parts? To trade for trade goods?

Body parts? Without invoking some master list of body parts... Hair? Scalp? Ears? Eyes? Nose? Lips? Tongue? Brain? Teeth? Lungs? Heart? Liver? Stomach? Gallbladder? Lymph nodes? Spine? Bones? Muscles? Intestines? Arms? Hands? Fingers? Legs? Feet? Toes? Testicles? Ovaries? Uterus? Penis? Scrotum? Kidneys? Bladder? Skin? Pancreas? Spleen? Glands of some sort? Blood? Breasts?

Trade goods? Animals? Plants? Food? Building materials? Other body parts than the ones traded? Representations of wealth? Precious metals? Jewelry? Weapons? Armor?
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:35 pm

Is it relevant to whom FG trades the body parts? yes Is it relevant what the "purchaser" uses the body parts for? It helps for context Is the "purchaser" aware that these are the body parts? yes Is the "purchaser" aware that the parts come from slaves' bodies? No!
Does FG pretend that body parts come from high-ranked Maori? Yes!! Sorry if this is an ignorant question, but was there a situation in which people were paid (or given goods) for the proofs they killed the Maori? No, but 'proof they killed the Maori' is a clue to the value of the heads...
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby antesse » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:38 pm

Are the body parts heads? And specifically heads with facial tattoos?

Does he trade with other Maori? Or with outsiders?
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby Grip » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:38 pm

Wait a minute...ding ding ding...is FG trading shrunken Maori heads to naive non-native tourists/traders? ("Yes, this head is from a former Maori bigwig, see the tattoo on it, only high ranking Maori have that!")
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine

Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:02 pm

Wait a minute...ding ding ding...is FG trading shrunken Maori heads to naive non-native traders? ("Yes, this head is from a former Maori bigwig, see the tattoo on it, only high ranking Maori have that!")

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Moko, or facial tattoos, are worn by Maori of great mana (prestige, influence), and particularly by tribal chieftains. In a civilisation without a written alphabet, the tattoos showed the whakapapa (genealogy) of the chieftain. So, a glance at the chieftain's face would reveal who he was, who his ancestors were, what his tribal connections were, and, thus, reflect his level of power and his life achievements.

As such, in cutting off the head of a chief whose tribe you have defeated and sticking it on a pike outside your pa (fortification), you are effectively displaying your detailed curriculum vitae to visitors and invaders alike. By the time James Cook arrived in New Zealand, hundreds of chiefly heads adorned pikes the length of the country.

The abovementioned Mr. Cook was presented with a gift of three chief's heads upon his arrival. Marvelling at first at the quality of the workmanship and pondering as to the materials used, it soon dawned on him that these works of art were organic. He nonetheless liked them, and early traders/whalers/sealers/colonists soon began to regard these heads as exotic collector's items. Demand soon began to outstrip supply.

These Europeans occasionally offered money for the heads, but often something more valuable - muskets. Muskets were a must-have accessory if tribal warfare was on your mind, and were the most surefire (sorry) way of obtaining wealth and resources from other tribes.

Frank-Greg, having run out of authentic heads of conquered chieftains, soon hit on an idea to keep the steady stream of muskets rolling in. He would offer his slaves free elaborate (but syntactically gobbledegook) facial tattoos, immediately cut their heads off, and trade them to Europeans with a collector's eye. He would use these newfound muskets to subdue more tribes, collect more slaves, and continue his steady supply of heads.

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TL;DR spoiler: This was part of a cunning plan to forge chieftain's heads to sell to unsuspecting European collectors.
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Well done, Grip, and some excellent questions from Antesse and Redwine.
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Re: [WiZ] Tattooine [COME TO A HEAD]

Postby Grip » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:40 pm

Hey, I got it! :)
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