[Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

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[Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby Hobbsicle » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:28 am

A wealthy landowner is trying to get rid of a crow nesting in a watchtower on his land. He takes his rifle to try to shoot the crow, but every time he enters or even nears the tower, the crow flies away into the nearby forest, where it will stay until the man leaves again, at which point it will fly back to the nest. The man comes up with a clever solution to kill the crow, but the crow surprises the man by having a skill the man did not expect, thus outwitting the man. The man's persistence pays off, however, and he finds a definite limit to the crow's skill, and he ultimately is able to shoot it. What skill does the crow possess, and what was the man's solution?

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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby android18 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:33 pm

A skill unique to the that particular crow? A skill which relies on the crow's intelligence? Relevant how the man originally intended to kill the crow? Are both methods of killing the crow practically the same or very similar?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby Balin » Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:09 am

Did the man's first solution involve the forest? The second solution?
Did the man finally shoot the crow with the rifle? Did he adapt the rifle in any way? With a scope?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby Hobbsicle » Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:31 am

android18

A skill unique to the that particular crow? No A skill which relies on the crow's intelligence? Yes Relevant how the man originally intended to kill the crow? Yes Are both methods of killing the crow practically the same or very similar? Yes, slight differences, but using the same basic strategy.

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Did the man's first solution involve the forest? No The second solution? No
Did the man finally shoot the crow with the rifle? Yes Did he adapt the rifle in any way? No With a scope?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby android18 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 3:49 pm

Would it be best to work out the method first, then the skill? Does his method involve an other objects? People?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby Hobbsicle » Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:00 am

Would it be best to work out the method first, then the skill? I could see it could going etiher way, really. Does his method involve an other objects? No People? Yes
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby android18 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:47 pm

One other person? 2? 3? Do these people stand in different locations to help kill the crow (e.g. one goes to watch tower, crow flies away, then is caught in forest)?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby Hobbsicle » Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:59 am

One other person? This initially 2? 3? By the end, 4 others Do these people stand in different locations to help kill the crow (e.g. one goes to watch tower, crow flies away, then is caught in forest)? No
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby biograd » Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:37 pm

WAG based on the title... is the relevant skill the ability to count? (for those who don't get this, "Mr. Jones" is a song by the band Counting Crows)

Does the crow actually observe the landowner approaching? hear the landowner moving? observe some indirect consequence of the landowner's presence? Does the solution involve the man disguising himself somehow?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby Balin » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:23 am

"Round Here" is also a song by Counting Crows
Does the man first try with one person? Then subsequently adds another person to each attempt?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby Hobbsicle » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:06 pm

biograd

WAG based on the title... is the relevant skill the ability to count? (for those who don't get this, "Mr. Jones" is a song by the band Counting Crows) YES,
good job at finding the title clue


Does the crow actually observe the landowner approaching? Yes hear the landowner moving? observe some indirect consequence of the landowner's presence? No to others Does the solution involve the man disguising himself somehow? No

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"Round Here" is also a song by Counting Crows Yes, two song titles together there
Does the man first try with one person? Yes Then subsequently adds another person to each attempt? YES
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby Balin » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:45 pm

Are the people standing still during the attempts to shoot the crow? Are they moving around? Are they in the same spot as one another?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby Hobbsicle » Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:51 am

Are the people standing still during the attempts to shoot the crow? Yope Are they moving around? Yope
Are they in the same spot as one another? NO
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby android18 » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:01 pm

As more attempts are made, do they each change their location? Does the crow count by recognising faces? So if a face isn't seen before it doesn't count it?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby Hobbsicle » Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:11 am

As more attempts are made, do they each change their location? No-ish, though there is movement involved, but it doesn't relevantly change over each attempt Does the crow count by recognising faces? No So if a face isn't seen before it doesn't count it? No
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby JenBurdoo » Mon May 01, 2017 5:30 pm

Is the farmer's assumption that the crow cannot count? Is he putting a certain number of assistants around the farm under this assumption? That the crow will think there are zero people present? One, two, more? And the crow counts something to recognize that the farm is occupied?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby Hobbsicle » Wed May 03, 2017 3:43 am

Is the farmer's assumption that the crow cannot count? Yes Is he putting a certain number of assistants around the farm under this assumption? Incrementally more, yes, but not so much "around the farm". That the crow will think there are zero people present? YES One, two, more? And the crow counts something to recognize that the farm is occupied? Yes,though not exactly that the farm itself is occupied
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby Balin » Thu May 04, 2017 11:00 pm

Do the people stand in place of something else in the farmland?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby Hobbsicle » Sat May 06, 2017 3:14 am

Do the people stand in place of something else in the farmland? No
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby JenBurdoo » Tue May 09, 2017 1:59 am

Does the crow count something other than people? Their vehicles, for instance? Can it see their shadows? Is anything bright and shiny relevant? Are the people actually trying to hide from the crow? Does it actually see them, or signs of their presence?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby Hobbsicle » Tue May 09, 2017 12:58 pm

Does the crow count something other than people? No Their vehicles, for instance? Can it see their shadows? Irrel Is anything bright and shiny relevant? No Are the people actually trying to hide from the crow? YES, but not everyone...explore Does it actually see them, or signs of their presence? It does see some, but not all
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby JenBurdoo » Sun May 14, 2017 10:00 pm

The landowner finds a limit to the crow's ability - can it relevantly only count to a certain number?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby Hobbsicle » Mon May 15, 2017 2:30 am

The landowner finds a limit to the crow's ability - can it relevantly only count to a certain number? YES, the exact number isn't really relevant, but it was 4 in this case.
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby Hobbsicle » Sat May 20, 2017 2:14 am

HINT: The watchtower is relevant. No need to worry about where people are in the outer fields
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby GalFisk » Sat May 20, 2017 4:44 am

Does the crow count people arriving? People leaving? Does the crow thunk the coast is clear after four people leave? Even if five people arrived?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones

Postby Hobbsicle » Sun May 21, 2017 3:38 pm

Does the crow count people arriving? People leaving? THIS Does the crow thunk the coast is clear after four people leave? Even if five people arrived? YES

************SPOILER**************

The man first got one other person to enter the watchtower with him, then he had the other person leave, hoping that it would signal to the crow that the coast was clear, and it would return to be met with the owner hiding with his rifle. Unfortunately, the crow was able to keep track, and knew that there was one unaccounted for, so it stayed in the woods until the landowner left. So he tried it with three people arriving, two people leaving. Still, the crow kept track and didn't return. It seemed to have the ability to count. He tried it with four arriving, three leaving, same result. Finally, he reached the crow's limit with five people arriving and four leaving. The crow thought the coast was clear, returned to the watchtower, and was shot.


This example was used as an example in early 20th century studies to demonstate an animal's ability to count. They have since done more rigorous studies and confirmed that hypothesis.

Thanks for playing, all, and to GalFisk for the final solve. As noted earlier, the title combines two song titles by the band Counting Crows.
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Round Here, Mr. Jones (PARADISE PAVED)

Postby Grip » Sun May 21, 2017 4:16 pm

I had just read somewhere that crows can count to four, but I missed my chance to get in on this one. Drat! Good puzzle.
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