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[Balin] It's not street-legal

Postby Balin » Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:31 pm

As the Fourth of July neared, many people drove to a certain location. But when Oliver drove there, he wound up in the hospital. Why?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:56 am

Did he reach his location?

Did he end up at the hospital as a patient? Accompanying a patient? As an employee? By coincidence?

Did he arrive by car? In an ambulance? Did he have a collision or other kind of motor vehicle accident?

Are people driving to this location in order to observe or celebrate July 4th? Fireworks relevant? Is this happening across the country?

Are they driving there in conjunction with an event tangentally related to July 4th?
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Postby Balin » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:43 pm

Did he reach his location? Yes

Did he end up at the hospital as a patient? This Accompanying a patient? As an employee? By coincidence?

Did he arrive by car? In an ambulance? This Did he have a collision or other kind of motor vehicle accident? The latter

Are people driving to this location in order to observe or celebrate July 4th? No Fireworks relevant? No Is this happening across the country? Yes

Are they driving there in conjunction with an event tangentally related to July 4th? No
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Re: [Balin] It's not street-legal

Postby trebor » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:59 pm

Is Independence Day at all relevant, then? Is the place that people are driving to one that would be commonly frequented any other time of year? Is it a store? A place people go for leisure? Entertainment? To learn? Was Oliver going there in the same capacity as everyone else? Was the event outdoors? Indoors?

Is Oliver's profession relevant? His age within adulthood? Are his hobbies relevant? Does it matter at all where he was going or why he was going there?

Was he driving a specific type of motor vehicle that is pertinent to this puzzle, and is perhaps not a car? A motorbike? A clown car? A Shriners car? Was he involved in a parade? A race?
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Postby irishelk » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:10 pm

Was he in a vehicle when he had the accident? Was he driving? Passenger? Pedestrian? Was he on the road?

Was the location related not to the Fourth of July (happy happy, by the way) but to summer? The beach? Amusement park? The airport? "Home" (as in, people were driving to their homes)?

Did he reach the location before being taken to the hospital? Was he on the way there when the accident occurred?
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Postby Balin » Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:01 pm

Is Independence Day at all relevant, then? It is not, but it seemed an appropriate detail to include given when I posted the puzzle
Is the place that people are driving to one that would be commonly frequented any other time of year? Yes Is it a store? A place people go for leisure? Entertainment? To learn? No to all
Was Oliver going there in the same capacity as everyone else? YOPE/Yesish Was the event outdoors? Indoors? Indoors, and I wouldn't call it an "event"

Is Oliver's profession relevant? His age within adulthood? Are his hobbies relevant? None of these
Does it matter at all where he was going or why he was going there? Yes to both

Was he driving a specific type of motor vehicle that is pertinent to this puzzle, and is perhaps not a car? YES, very good A motorbike? A clown car? A Shriners car? None of these
Was he involved in a parade? A race? Neither

Was he in a vehicle when he had the accident? Yes Was he driving? This Passenger? Pedestrian? Was he on the road? No

Was the location related not to the Fourth of July (happy happy, by the way) but to summer? Not to either, and a belated happy happy The beach? Amusement park? The airport? "Home" (as in, people were driving to their homes)? None of these

Did he reach the location before being taken to the hospital? Yes Was he on the way there when the accident occurred? No
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Postby SurfingPikachu » Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:11 pm

Was the motor vehicle a land vehicle? Water? Air? Did he drive it indoors?
Was anyone else involved in the accident? Taken to hospital?
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Re: [Balin] It's not street-legal

Postby Balin » Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:41 am

Was the motor vehicle a land vehicle? This Water? Air? Did he drive it indoors? Indoors and outdoors
Was anyone else involved in the accident? Taken to hospital? No to both
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Postby Enjay » Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:09 pm

Did the vehicle he was driving crash into something? Drive into water? Tip over?

Did the accident happen immediately after Oliver reached the location? After he left it? While he was there?

Was he driving his vehicle on roads? Was it meant to be driven indoors? Was it petrol powered? Electric? Pedal powered? A golf cart? A mobility scooter?

Was Oliver going to the place for the same reason as everyone else? Would everyone (including Oliver) do the same thing at this location? Was Oliver going there because many others were? Was he following someone?
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Postby Balin » Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:09 am

Did the vehicle he was driving crash into something? Drive into water? Tip over? No to all

Did the accident happen immediately after Oliver reached the location? After he left it? While he was there? This

Was he driving his vehicle on roads? Yes Was it meant to be driven indoors? Yes
Was it petrol powered? Electric? This Pedal powered?
A golf cart? A mobility scooter? YES - an electric wheelchair

Was Oliver going to the place for the same reason as everyone else? Yes Would everyone (including Oliver) do the same thing at this location? Yes Was Oliver going there because many others were? No Was he following someone? No
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Postby SurfingPikachu » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:51 am

Did he lose control of his electric wheelchair? Did it malfunction? Did he fall off his electric wheelchair?
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Re: [Balin] It's not street-legal

Postby Enjay » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:04 pm

Did the other people driving to the location drive there in cars? Were they all in wheelchairs?

Was there something about the location that made it unsafe for electric wheelchairs?

Is a march involved? A protest?
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Postby irishelk » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:50 pm

You had a lot of the same thoughts I did Enjay. But first. =)

Would the fault for Oliver's hospital trip be mostly his own? Mostly the other attendees? Mostly the owners/managers of the location? Employees there? Volunteers?

Does he go to the hospital because he is injured?
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Re: [Balin] It's not street-legal

Postby Balin » Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:24 am

Did he lose control of his electric wheelchair? No Did it malfunction? No Did he fall off his electric wheelchair? Yes

Did the other people driving to the location drive there in cars? Yes Were they all in wheelchairs? No

Was there something about the location that made it unsafe for electric wheelchairs? Yes

Is a march involved? A protest? Neither

You had a lot of the same thoughts I did Enjay. But first. =) Funny, I have most of my thoughts head-first...

Would the fault for Oliver's hospital trip be mostly his own? This Mostly the other attendees? Mostly the owners/managers of the location? Employees there? Volunteers?

Does he go to the hospital because he is injured? Yes
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Postby trebor » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:49 pm

That butt-first joke made may giggle more than it maybe should've.

Is it relevant exactly what type of building or thing he was going to? Was it a courtroom? Another legal/governmental place? Medical? A wheelchair store? Something else ironic? Would he other people there to going there to see/hear him? Is he going there to see/hear one of them?

Is it relevant exactly what injuries he incurred? Or just that he went to the hospital? Did his wheelchair run over him? Is he, in fact, able-bodied?
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Re: [Balin] It's not street-legal

Postby Balin » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:11 pm

That butt-first joke made may giggle more than it maybe should've. I aim to please...

Is it relevant exactly what type of building or thing he was going to? Yes
Was it a courtroom? Another legal/governmental place? Medical? A wheelchair store? Something else ironic? I wouldn't really say "ironic" unless I were Alanis Morissette Would he other people there to going there to see/hear him? Is he going there to see/hear one of them? No to rest

Is it relevant exactly what injuries he incurred? Yes Or just that he went to the hospital?
Did his wheelchair run over him? YES, good question Is he, in fact, able-bodied? No
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Re: [Balin] It's not street-legal

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:15 am

Did he drive over something inappropriate for a wheelchair? Did he drive on an incline? Did the wheelchair run him over by electric power? By gravity? By being pushed or pulled? Did he fall out of the wheelchair and then got run over? Did the wheelchair fall? Get damaged? Get destroyed? Is the degree of his disability relevant? Edit: has the wheelchair been modified or tampered with?
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Re: [Balin] It's not street-legal

Postby irishelk » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:03 pm

LOL "Butt." :lol:

Alternately, did he intentionally get in front of/under his wheelchair?

So, he was driving his wheelchair on the road, correct? Was the road at the location? Was everyone else who went to the location driving at the same time as him? But driving cars? Or driving something else?
Is the location a large area? A fairground? A stadium? ...A motor racing track? Go-cart track?
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Postby SurfingPikachu » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:14 pm

Did he wind up in hospital due to injuries? From being run over by his wheelchair?
How can a wheelchair collision possibly require an ambulance? Then again, how fast must a wheelchair be going to go OVER a man? Should I be smelling shenans, or suspending my disbelief?

Balin wrote:Is it relevant exactly what injuries he incurred? Yes

I smell shenans
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Postby trebor » Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:12 pm

So whatever he was going to was indoors? And he was driving his wheelchair on roads? Were the roads indoors? Did he get injured indoors? Did he get injured outdoors? If he was injured on the way to the thing, did he not realize that he'd be injured until later? Was it his lower body that suffered the injury? Upper? Mid-section?

Was the wheelchair traveling down an incline when he fell out? Was it rocking front to back? Side to side? Was he drugged, put onto a roller coaster while in his wheelchair, improperly fastened, and then fell out while upside-down, miraculously survived the fall, but was injured when the falling wheelchair landed on him?
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Re: [Balin] It's not street-legal

Postby Balin » Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:01 pm

Did he drive over something inappropriate for a wheelchair? Not "over" anything, no Did he drive on an incline? No
Did the wheelchair run him over by electric power? By gravity? By being pushed or pulled? Not gravity, but the other two played a factor
Did he fall out of the wheelchair and then got run over? Yes
Did the wheelchair fall? Get damaged? Get destroyed? No to all
Is the degree of his disability relevant? No
Has the wheelchair been modified or tampered with? No, or not relevantly

LOL "Butt." :lol: No one ever accused us of being dignified here

Alternately, did he intentionally get in front of/under his wheelchair? No

So, he was driving his wheelchair on the road, correct? Yes, at one point Was the road at the location? No, the road eventually led to the location Was everyone else who went to the location driving at the same time as him? No, people drive to this type of location all the time But driving cars? Yes Or driving something else?
Is the location a large area? Not very A fairground? A stadium? ...A motor racing track? Go-cart track? No; it's smaller than all of these

Did he wind up in hospital due to injuries? From being run over by his wheelchair? Yes to both, and there was one other injury
How can a wheelchair collision possibly require an ambulance? Then again, how fast must a wheelchair be going to go OVER a man? Should I be smelling shenans, or suspending my disbelief?... I smell shenans Think less "shenans" and more "this guy was really stupid"

So whatever he was going to was indoors? Yes And he was driving his wheelchair on roads? Yes, to get to the place Were the roads indoors? No
Did he get injured indoors? This Did he get injured outdoors?
If he was injured on the way to the thing, did he not realize that he'd be injured until later? He wasn't injured on the way to the place
Was it his lower body that suffered the injury? Upper? Mid-section? All over his body, but the one unknown injury is to his upper body

Was the wheelchair traveling down an incline when he fell out? No
Was it rocking front to back? Side to side? Neither
Was he drugged, put onto a roller coaster while in his wheelchair, improperly fastened, and then fell out while upside-down, miraculously survived the fall, but was injured when the falling wheelchair landed on him? No, but I like this scenario
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Postby trebor » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:11 am

Ah, okay, so the fact that he drove there in his wheelchair isn't relevant? He could've taken public transit or been dropped off by someone else and had the same result, as long as everything after his arrival at the place stayed the same?

Did he do something stunt-ish or daredevil-ish at the place? Did other people witness whatever stupid thing he did? Did he intend to do the stupid thing? Was it something he did absentmindedly?

The place he went to wasn't a store, nor was it a place one goes to for entertainment, learning, medical reasons, or legal stuff. Is it an office tower? A hotel? His workplace? A place of worship?A crematorium/funeral parlour? Would one normally go there because one wants to? Because one has to? Is it a gym? Another fitness-related centre? Is it typically a place that is inaccessible to people in wheelchairs?
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Postby GalFisk » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:02 am

Did the wheelchair strike sonething? Get struck by something? Get stuck? Get entangled? Get dragged? Pushed? Did he drive into something relevant? Through? Under? Between? Is electric power in something besides the wheelchair relevant? Are other wheelchairs relevant? Other vehicles? Was human power involved in running him over? Animal power? Combustion engine power?
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Re: [Balin] It's not street-legal

Postby Balin » Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:46 pm

Ah, okay, so the fact that he drove there in his wheelchair isn't relevant? He could've taken public transit or been dropped off by someone else and had the same result, as long as everything after his arrival at the place stayed the same? Yes, as long as he was in his wheelchair at the place itself

Did he do something stunt-ish or daredevil-ish at the place? No Did other people witness whatever stupid thing he did? No or Yope Did he intend to do the stupid thing? Yes Was it something he did absentmindedly? No

The place he went to wasn't a store, nor was it a place one goes to for entertainment, learning, medical reasons, or legal stuff. That is all correct
Is it an office tower? A hotel? His workplace? A place of worship? A crematorium/funeral parlour? None of these
Would one normally go there because one wants to? Because one has to? Moreso this
Is it a gym? Another fitness-related centre? Neither
Is it typically a place that is inaccessible to people in wheelchairs? Yes-ish

Did the wheelchair strike something? Get struck by something? Get stuck? Get entangled? Get dragged? Pushed? None of these
Did he drive into something relevant? Yes Through? Had he completed his trip successfully, it would have been this Under? Between? Not so much these
Is electric power in something besides the wheelchair relevant? Yes? (I think it's electric-powered, but I'm not sure Are other wheelchairs relevant? Other vehicles? Was human power involved in running him over? Animal power? Combustion engine power? No to rest
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:17 am

Did he go into a vehicle? Carnival ride/carousel? Something that rotates? Moves laterally? Moves vertically? Tilts? Accelerates?
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Postby Balin » Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:15 pm

Did he go into a vehicle? Carnival ride/carousel? Something that rotates? Moves laterally? This (-ish); No to rest Moves vertically? Tilts? Accelerates?
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Postby trebor » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:39 am

Is the thing he ran into specific to or mostly associated with the place he went to? Is this type of place common in cities of 200,000 or more? Is it an airport? Motor license issuer? Subway station? Is it a place one goes to pay bills/fines? Do you have to go through a metal detector when you get there? Is it a prison? (Which is a legal-related place, but...)

Is this place partially accessible to wheelchair users and partially inaccessible? Was he trying to access an area of the place that was accessible for able-bodied people but not so for people in wheelchairs?
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Postby biograd » Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:14 pm

Was the thing he collided with some sort of moving conveyance/walkway (e.g. escalator, elevator, etc.)? an automatically operated door or other barrier between two rooms/spaces?
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Postby Balin » Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:07 am

Is the thing he ran into specific to or mostly associated with the place he went to? Specific to Is this type of place common in cities of 200,000 or more? Yes Is it an airport? Motor license issuer? Subway station? Is it a place one goes to pay bills/fines? Do you have to go through a metal detector when you get there? Is it a prison? (Which is a legal-related place, but...) No to these

Is this place partially accessible to wheelchair users and partially inaccessible? No, it is typically inaccessible to people in wheelchairs Was he trying to access an area of the place that was accessible for able-bodied people but not so for people in wheelchairs? Yes, per previous

Was the thing he collided with some sort of moving conveyance/walkway (e.g. escalator, elevator, etc.)? an automatically operated door or other barrier between two rooms/spaces? No, but not a bad idea
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Re: [Balin] It's not street-legal

Postby Enjay » Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:27 pm

Is it typically inaccessible to people in wheelchairs because stairs are involved? An uneven surface? A doorway or space to small for a wheelchair to fit through?

Did Oliver know the place was inaccessible? Was he trying to prove he could access it? Did he think it would be accessible? Was he trying to prove a point (eg showing the danger caused by places not being accessible)?

Do people typically go to this place at a particular time of day? If so, morning? Afternoon? Evening? Night? During normal business hours? Outside normal business hours? Do people normally go at weekends? On weekdays? At any particular time of year? Would a person likely go to this place every day? Every week? Every month? A few times a year? Once a year? Less often?
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Postby Balin » Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:23 am

Is it typically inaccessible to people in wheelchairs because stairs are involved? An uneven surface? A doorway or space to small for a wheelchair to fit through? No to all

Did Oliver know the place was inaccessible? I'll say he knew it wasn't meant for wheelchairs Was he trying to prove he could access it? No Did he think it would be accessible? Yes Was he trying to prove a point (eg showing the danger caused by places not being accessible)? No

Do people typically go to this place at a particular time of day? If so, morning? Afternoon? Evening? Night? During normal business hours? This Outside normal business hours? Do people normally go at weekends? On weekdays? At any particular time of year? This, but I would guess it's much less often during the winter Would a person likely go to this place every day? Every week? Every month? This, at most, I'd guess A few times a year? This, at least Once a year? Less often?
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Re: [Balin] It's not street-legal

Postby Balin » Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:25 am

After a quick Google search I may be wrong; this place may be visited much MORE often in the winter.
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Re: [Balin] It's not street-legal

Postby trebor » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:26 am

Is there a logical reason for this place not being wheelchair accessible? Is it a place that willingly discriminates against differently-abled people?

Was the unknown injury something that happened to his head? Arms/wrists/hands? Neck? Ribs? To one or more of his internal organs? His heart? Lungs?

Was the thing that he ran into with his wheelchair bigger than a basketball? Bigger than a car? Is it something used mostly by the employees of the place? If an average person were to go to this place, would it be to have a service provided to them? To provide a service to someone else? To have something done to their body? Would they spend money there? Would they provide information? Attend a meeting? Check in with an authority figure? Do something (other than access the place) that most people in a wheelchair couldn't do? Or wouldn't need to do? Is it relevant what happened to OH that made him need a wheelchair in the first place?

Do people go to this type of place more often in the winter because of something related to the holiday season? New Year's? Because of winter's cold? Is it a marshmallow factory right next to a hot chocolate stand? Do most people who go there interact with the type of thing that OH ran into? Do people get transported in it? On it? Under it?
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Re: [Balin] It's not street-legal

Postby Balin » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:52 am

Is there a logical reason for this place not being wheelchair accessible? Yes Is it a place that willingly discriminates against differently-abled people? See previous

Was the unknown injury something that happened to his head? This Arms/wrists/hands? Neck? Ribs? To one or more of his internal organs? His heart? Lungs?

Was the thing that he ran into with his wheelchair bigger than a basketball? Bigger than a car? He didn't run into anything Is it something used mostly by the employees of the place? ...No/Yope
If an average person were to go to this place, would it be to have a service provided to them? This To provide a service to someone else? To have something done to their body?
Would they spend money there? This Would they provide information? Attend a meeting? Check in with an authority figure? Do something (other than access the place) that most people in a wheelchair couldn't do? It involves something most people in a wheelchair aren't able to do Or wouldn't need to do?
Is it relevant what happened to OH that made him need a wheelchair in the first place? No

Do people go to this type of place more often in the winter because of something related to the holiday season? New Year's? Because of winter's cold? Is it a marshmallow factory right next to a hot chocolate stand? No, but I really like this last guess
Do most people who go there interact with the type of thing that OH ran into? Yes
Do people get transported in it? On it? Under it? Through it - good question
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Re: [Balin] It's not street-legal

Postby irishelk » Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:23 pm

WAG: Did he drive his wheelchair through a carwash?
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Re: [Balin] It's not street-legal

Postby Balin » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:23 pm

WAG: Did he drive his wheelchair through a carwash? Not so W a G after all...

****SPOILER****

Had to recalibrate my threshold for stupidity yesterday. Guy with prior CVA, wheelchair bound. Decides that he needs to clean his electric wheelchair for the 4th of July. So does what anyone would do, which is drive it through an automatic carwash. Beater bar smacks him in the back of the head, knocks him forward, and the wheel chair runs him over.
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Re: [Balin] It's not street-legal (*CLOCK CLEANED*)

Postby trebor » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:29 pm

If this really happened, humanity has sunk to a whole new level of stupid.
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Re: [Balin] It's not street-legal (*CLOCK CLEANED*)

Postby irishelk » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:40 am

Wow. Wow. Good one!

With these kind of "local Florida man" stories, I always wonder...isn't there some basic reptile-brain instinct in you that says no, don't (to use a totally random example) hurl your unprotected body into a carwash? And how have these people learned to override that instinct?
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Re: [Balin] It's not street-legal (*CLOCK CLEANED*)

Postby SurfingPikachu » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:52 pm

"A carwash washes cars by gently squirting water and soap and gently spinning bristles. Thus it should be able to wash me and my wheelchair too." Not saying this guy's a genius, but this is nowhere close to the level of stupid I deal with on a daily basis.
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