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[Balin] New rules

Postby Balin » Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:40 pm

Jayden (H/A/M) drives a four-door Dodge, wears tight pants, and recently suffered an ACL tear.
What else is true about him...
and what is the rule that decides that?
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Re: [Balin] New rules

Postby SurfingPikachu » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:05 am

So there is a rule governing Jayden? This rule specifies that he has to drive a four-door Dodge? Or would some other cars work, but not all cars? Make important? Model? Or some other property of the car?
For tight pants, it cannot be just normal pants? Or just tight shirts?
For ACL tear, it has to be the ACL? Would some other injuries work?
This rule arises due to Jayden's personality? Occupation? (Is he a sportsman? Celebrity?) Some decisions of his? Some life situation of his? Some arbitrary puzzle constraint?
Is his name relevant?
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Re: [Balin] New rules

Postby Balin » Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:54 pm

So there is a rule governing Jayden? Yes This rule specifies that he has to drive a four-door Dodge? Or would some other cars work, but not all cars? This Make important? Model? Or some other property of the car? Could be any of this
For tight pants, it cannot be just normal pants? Or just tight shirts? Neither normal pants nor tight shirts fit the rule
For ACL tear, it has to be the ACL? An ACL tear Would some other injuries work? Yes
This rule arises due to Jayden's personality? Occupation? (Is he a sportsman? Celebrity?) (Neither of these could be his occupation) Some decisions of his? Some life situation of his? Some arbitrary puzzle constraint? This
Is his name relevant? Yes, his name also follows the rule
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Re: [Balin] New rules

Postby SurfingPikachu » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:21 pm

Does the rule involve language? (e.g. involves letters, syllables) Numbers?
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Re: [Balin] New rules

Postby Balin » Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:23 pm

Does the rule involve language? (e.g. involves letters, syllables) Numbers? Letters
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Re: [Balin] New rules

Postby SurfingPikachu » Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:01 pm

Would the puzzle statement work if translated to another language? Would the puzzle work but the puzzle statement has to be redesigned?

Which of the following are relevant?
Vowels? Consonants? Capital letters? Small letters? Shape of the letters? Curves? Straight lines? Topology of the letters? (e.g. number of "holes") Sequence of letters? Sequence of the alphabet? A=1, B=2, ...? ASCII/Unicode values? Counts? Ratios? Neighbouring letters? Two(or more)-letter units?

Relevant that you phrased it as "ACL tear" instead of "anterior cruciate ligament tear"?

Is it theoretically possible for me to solve this puzzle (guessing or otherwise) without ever asking you if something else is an instance of this rule? (e.g. because my asking is part of the rule)
Am I expected to ask you if random things are part of this rule?

Does this puzzle statement work?
"Jayden (H/A/M) has a four-door Dodge, tight pants, and an ACL tear."
Is it "wears tight pants" that fits the rule, or "tight pants" that fits the rule?

Is the rule a function that accepts a phrase and spits out yes or no?
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Re: [Balin] New rules

Postby Balin » Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:47 pm

Would the puzzle statement work if translated to another language? Would the puzzle work but the puzzle statement has to be redesigned?

Which of the following are relevant?
Vowels? Consonants? Capital letters? Small letters? Shape of the letters? Curves? Straight lines? Topology of the letters? (e.g. number of "holes") Sequence of letters? Sequence of the alphabet? A=1, B=2, ...? ASCII/Unicode values? Counts? Ratios? None of these...
Neighbouring letters? Two(or more)-letter units? These two, but for the units, "more-than-two"

Relevant that you phrased it as "ACL tear" instead of "anterior cruciate ligament tear"? Yes

Is it theoretically possible for me to solve this puzzle (guessing or otherwise) without ever asking you if something else is an instance of this rule? (e.g. because my asking is part of the rule) Theoretically
Am I expected to ask you if random things are part of this rule? That was the plan, but you are free to spoil the plan if that is your preferred line of questioning

Does this puzzle statement work?
"Jayden (H/A/M) has a four-door Dodge, tight pants, and an ACL tear." Yes
Is it "wears tight pants" that fits the rule, or "tight pants" that fits the rule? The latter

Is the rule a function that accepts a phrase and spits out yes or no? Yes
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Re: [Balin] New rules

Postby biograd » Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:44 pm

I have an idea...

Does he eat meat loaf? When he drives his four-door Dodge, does he prefer to do it in the fast lane? Is he a magazine writer? Does he have moose antlers on his wall?

Those were actually a lot harder to write than I thought. If this is right, it's going to be hard for people to coincidentally guess other ones.
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Re: [Balin] New rules

Postby SurfingPikachu » Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:54 pm

So, a puzzle with the same rule could not be given in, say, French, German, Italian, or Spanish?

Which of the following are relevant? Words? Phrases? Pronunciations?

The following are instances of the rule? "Jayden", "four-door Dodge", "tight pants", "ACL tear"?
The following are not instances of the rule? "normal pants", "tight shirts", "sportsman", "Celebrity", "anterior cruciate ligament tear"?

Can an arbitrary string that is not an English word (e.g. "asdfghjkl") ever be an instance of the rule?
Which of the following are instances of the rule? "jAydEn"? "Jaden"? "Jason"? "Dodge"? "tightpants"? "tight pants"? "tight-pants"? "tights and pants"? "pants tight"? "tight pant"? "very tight pants"? "tight tight pants"? "tight"? "pants"?

Math: Let A, B, C, D, E, F be arbitrary English words such that:
A B is an instance of the rule
C D is an instance of the rule
E is an instance of the rule
F is an instance of the rule
Which of the following are always, sometimes, or never instances of the rule?
A?
A A?
B A?
A B A B?
A B C D?
A D?
AB? (without the space)
E E?
E F?

@biograd, eh all your examples except "magazine writer" fit an(other?) obvious rule
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Re: [Balin] New rules

Postby biograd » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:04 pm

@SurfingPikachu, you mean the fact that "TL" is in them? That's just a coincidence--and in one of the cases the TL itself is not part of the rule I actually used.
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Re: [Balin] New rules

Postby SurfingPikachu » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:09 pm

@biograd No, I meant the fact that each is a phrase with one letter in the same position in each word. :lol:
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Re: [Balin] New rules

Postby biograd » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:28 pm

Oh, you mean like meAt loAf, fAst lAne, and moosE antlErs? If so, that has even less to do with the rule I was thinking... It's interesting that "magazine writer" is the odd one out for both of these other rules. I can assure you even that one DOES follow the rule I was thinking of, though!
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Re: [Balin] New rules

Postby Balin » Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:00 am

So, a puzzle with the same rule could not be given in, say, French, German, Italian, or Spanish? Theoretically, it could

Which of the following are relevant? Words? Phrases? The former two Pronunciations?

The following are instances of the rule? "Jayden", "four-door Dodge", "tight pants", "ACL tear"? Yes
The following are not instances of the rule? "normal pants", "tight shirts", "sportsman", "Celebrity", "anterior cruciate ligament tear"? Right, they are not

Can an arbitrary string that is not an English word (e.g. "asdfghjkl") ever be an instance of the rule? Yes
Which of the following are instances of the rule?
"jAydEn"? "Jaden"? "tightpants"? "tight pants"? "tight-pants"? "tight pant"? "very tight pants"? "tight tight pants"? These are
"Jason"? "Dodge"? "tights and pants"? "pants tight"? "tight"? "pants"? These aren't

Math: Let A, B, C, D, E, F be arbitrary English words such that:
A B is an instance of the rule
C D is an instance of the rule
E is an instance of the rule
F is an instance of the rule
Which of the following are always, sometimes, or never instances of the rule? All of them, as if a word fits the rule, any phrase containing that rule will also fit

I have an idea...

Does he eat meat loaf? When he drives his four-door Dodge, does he prefer to do it in the fast lane? Is he a magazine writer? Does he have moose antlers on his wall? Yes to all. Biograd has it.

No, I meant the fact that each is a phrase with one letter in the same position in each word. This has nothing to do with the rule, and is just coincidental.
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Re: [Balin] New rules

Postby SurfingPikachu » Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:34 am

"Which of the following are always, sometimes, or never instances of the rule? All of them, as if a word fits the rule, any phrase containing that rule will also fit"

Erp, I meant, if A B = "tight pants" fits the rule and C D = "ACL tear" fits the rule", which of the following fits the rule?
"tight"? (Which is no)
"tight tight"?
"pants tight"? (Which is no)
"tight pants tight pants"?
"tight pants ACL tear"?
"tight tear"?
"tightpants"? (Which is yes)
"Jayden Jayden"?
But I was trying to ask generically in case the answers were due to some quirk of the specific examples.

"Yes to all. Biograd has it."
And the puzzle isn't spoiled, so... I'll continue? I am most intrigued and flummoxed!
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Re: [Balin] New rules

Postby Balin » Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:43 am

"Which of the following are always, sometimes, or never instances of the rule? All of them, as if a word fits the rule, any phrase containing that rule will also fit"

Erp, I meant, if A B = "tight pants" fits the rule and C D = "ACL tear" fits the rule", which of the following fits the rule?
"tight"? (Which is no)
"tight tight"? No
"pants tight"? (Which is no)
"tight pants tight pants"? Yes
"tight pants ACL tear"? Yes
"tight tear"? No
"tightpants"? (Which is yes)
"Jayden Jayden"? Yes
But I was trying to ask generically in case the answers were due to some quirk of the specific examples. My apologies.

"Yes to all. Biograd has it."
And the puzzle isn't spoiled, so... I'll continue? I am most intrigued and flummoxed! Thought I'd leave it going so you can keep guessing. This puzzle is still young.
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Re: [Balin] New rules

Postby Earnest » Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:11 pm

So I''l try even though english words are not my strong suit xD

if I had well understood if A is an instance of the rule, any sentence with A is an instance of the rule as well no matter the length right? But, if A B is an instance of the rule, a sentence with just A, or just B or A A, B B, is not necessarily an instance of the rule supposing that it doesn't contain other words that are instances of the rule, right? So, the rule is designed for single words more than for combinations of words, in that combinations of words are instances of the rule if a word composing them is an instance of the rule, right?

If so, I am sorry if I'll repeat some of the questions but take it as a recap. Let's reason slowly; is the rule mainly focused on

1) vowels? Consonants? A combination of both?

2)Are letters more important than words for the rule to be valid? Is the order of the letters within each word relevant? If there are more than one words like in ACL tear, is the order of the words relevant, I mean: ACL tear is an instance, but also tear ACL?

3)"Jason" is an instance right? Is "radon"?"Jadon"? "mason"? "qason"?

4) does the rule involve just letters in english? Or also in other languages? Is the order relevant?

5) When you answer our questions abut the fact that a single word is an instance of the rule or not, do you control letter by letter? The relationship between letters in a word? The number of letters in the word? The letters that the word contains? Are certain letters prohibited by the rule? If so, which one? ( list of letters).
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