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[peter365] In Rod we Trust

Postby peter365 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:05 am

Hi there everyone, a rare offering from yours truly

I knew a man who lost a leg in a fishing accident , thing is he'd never angled in his life.

Please explain
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Postby SurfingPikachu » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:07 pm

Hello!

Did the man lose his own leg? An artificial leg? The leg of, say, a prawn or other bait? Some other leg?

The man never fished? Or he fished but not with a rod? Perhaps with a net? With his bare hands?

Or was someone else doing the fishing when he met with the fishing accident?

Is the man dead? If so, were the circumstances of death relevant to the puzzle?
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Postby peter365 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:24 pm

Hello! Right back at ya

Did the man lose his own leg? Yes An artificial leg? The leg of, say, a prawn or other bait? Some other leg? No to rest

The man never fished? He never angled ] Or he fished but not with a rod? Yope and this is the crux of the matter Perhaps with a net? With his bare hands? No to these

Or was someone else doing the fishing when he met with the fishing accident? there were others helping him yes , but they weren't angling either

Is the man dead? If so, were the circumstances of death relevant to the puzzle? No he's alive albeit with 'one sock too many' . You only need to concern yourself with how he lost his leg.
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:31 pm

"Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for life. But teach him well, lest he forfeit a leg whilst learning." - Old Proverb

Was the man used to fishing with a net? By some other method?
Did the man make an assumption about some of the equipment he was using?
Did the man lose the leg immediately as a result of something he did while fishing (like the leg was bitten off by a shark that the man was trying to land)?
Or did he sustain an injury that was so extensive that the leg had to be amputated later?
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Postby peter365 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:38 pm

Hi Coffeebean

Was the man used to fishing with a net? No By some other method? Yes but be careful, this puzzle is almost designed to make an FA happen
Did the man make an assumption about some of the equipment he was using? Not a relevant one
Did the man lose the leg immediately as a result of something he did while fishing (like the leg was bitten off by a shark that the man was trying to land)?
Or did he sustain an injury that was so extensive that the leg had to be amputated later? The latter but the former would work just as well .
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Postby SurfingPikachu » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:21 pm

"By some other method? Yes"
"Or he fished but not with a rod? Yope"
So the man did fish? And the man was fishing when the fishing accident occurred?
Did he fish with a rod in a manner that could not be considered angling? Such as, er... trying to use a rod to smack fish unconscious? Or trying to use a sharpened rod to spearfish?
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Postby peter365 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:27 pm

"By some other method? Yes"
"Or he fished but not with a rod? Yope"
So the man did fish? No but he referred to it as fishing And the man was fishing when the fishing accident occurred? His version of fishing yes
Did he fish with a rod in a manner that could not be considered angling? Such as, er... trying to use a rod to smack fish unconscious? Or trying to use a sharpened rod to spearfish? To be fair I think you've probably established now that fishing in this instance does mean the pursuit of fish
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Postby Balin » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:31 pm

Did the man attempt to pursue fish by catching them with his bear hands? Using explosives to kill them with the shockwave?
Did he fish (with his definition) from a boat? Standing in the water? From the land? From a dock or pier?
Did he "fish" in the water at all?
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Postby SurfingPikachu » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:39 pm

And just to be clear, phishing is not involved?
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Postby Enjay » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:17 pm

Was the leg cut off? Crushed? Frozen?

Just to check did you mean to say that "fishing in this instance does mean the pursuit of fish"? Or "does not mean"?

Did fishing involve trying to physically catch anything? Is fishing for information relevant? Fishing for compliments?
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Postby peter365 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:53 pm

Balin

Did the man attempt to pursue fish by catching them with his bear hands? He doesn't have bear hands he has human ones :roll: No and there's an FA here Using explosives to kill them with the shockwave?
Did he fish (with his definition) from a boat? Standing in the water? From the land? From a dock or pier?
Did he "fish" in the water at all? No to rest , he wasn't in fact fishing
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Postby peter365 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:53 pm

Surfing Pikachu

And just to be clear, phishing is not involved? No but I like your thinking
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Postby peter365 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:56 pm

Enjay

Was the leg cut off? This Crushed? Frozen?

Just to check did you mean to say that "fishing in this instance does mean the pursuit of fish"? Or "does not mean"? OHH my bad that was a typo and would explain Balin's questions i'll clarify below

Did fishing involve trying to physically catch anything? Yes but not fish Is fishing for information relevant? Fishing for compliments? No but again nice thinking
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Postby peter365 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:01 pm

Darn i'm out of practice. Major blooper alert in my earlier post when I said...... To be fair I think you've probably established now that fishing in this instance does mean the pursuit of fish.

This should have read DOES NOT MEAN........ Our protagonist lost his leg doing something that he descrbed as ******* fishing. Water and anything living are not involved . You simply have to establish what he was doing when he lost the limb.

Apologies for any confusion.
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Postby SurfingPikachu » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:53 pm

Was he trying to obtain an object? Something intangible? Something else? Multiple copies of it? Does the method of obtaining involve patience? Luck? Luring?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:20 pm

Did the activity he was doing require use of his legs?
Was he fishing for a compliment?
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Postby peter365 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:52 am

Surfing Pikachu

Was he trying to obtain an object? Yes Something intangible? Something else? Multiple copies of it? He had probably done this on a number of occasions but each time the target is just one item Does the method of obtaining involve patience? Yes Luck? Yes Luring? but no to this
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Postby peter365 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:53 am

Coffeebean
Did the activity he was doing require use of his legs? Not specifically but it would be a lot more difficult with one leg.
Was he fishing for a compliment? No
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Postby SurfingPikachu » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:45 pm

The object of desire is not a living thing? Presumably the man is, though?
Is the object smaller than a cherry? An apple? A watermelon? A man? A car?
Is the location in a city? A countryside? In the wild? In the woods? On an elevated area? ...a dumpster?
Was his leg amputated? Lost directly in the accident? Cut off? Smashed? Infected? Poisoned? Frostbitten?
Was the "fishing" foreseeably risky?
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Postby peter365 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:40 pm

Surfing Pikachu

The object of desire is not a living thing? Correct Presumably the man is, though? Indeed
Is the object smaller than a cherry? An apple? A watermelon? A man? This A car?
Is the location in a city? Yes A countryside? In the wild? In the woods? On an elevated area? Yes ...a dumpster?
Was his leg amputated? Lost directly in the accident? It could be either and not really relevant. Cut off? Smashed? I'd say this is closest , lets go with it was cut and crushed so badly it had to be amputated Infected? Poisoned? Frostbitten? No to rest
Was the "fishing" foreseeably risky? Yes
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Postby Earnest » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:43 pm

Hi and nice to "meet" you !!!

So, I suppose that also in his version of fishing water is involved, right? or did he refer to "fishing" as generally "searching" something? I mean, did he have a metal detector and was searching something? Was him a collector? If so, did he found a bomb? Did he found himself in a minefield?
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Postby SurfingPikachu » Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:30 pm

Is the location in a building? A tall building? A skyscraper?
Does the object contain metal? Wood? Paper? Parts of what were once living things? Plastics? Glass? Ceramics? Electronics?
Is the object under... *glances at Dublin, Ireland* 1kg? 2kg? 5kg? 10kg? 20kg? Heavier?
Is the object usually black? White? Grey? Red? Orange? Yellow? Green? Blue? Purple? Brown? Is he treasure hunting for objects matching colours of the rainbow? :D
Is the object owned by someone else?
Was his leg crushed with a baseball bat by a disgruntled student who had heard enough of a certain oft-quoted encouragement? :lol:
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Postby trebor » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:49 pm

Is the object he's fishing for a household one? Is it used in/on a car? Is the thing in a store? In a gym? Is he trying to reach something [*]just[*] on the other side of a bear trap? Has any sort of trap been set for him?

Did something fall on his leg? If so, the thing he was fishing for?
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Postby trebor » Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:38 am

Also, is his profession relevant? Are his hobbies relevant? Are any other people relevant? Is this modern-day? Is whatever injured him an object which most of us would have touched at some point in our lives? If yes, commonly?
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Postby Balin » Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:04 pm

Was he "fishing" for an item he'd lost? Was the item behind something relevant? Under? Between?
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Postby peter365 » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:06 am

Ernest

Hi and nice to "meet" you !!! You too and apologies for neglecting this

So, I suppose that also in his version of fishing water is involved, right? No or did he refer to "fishing" as generally "searching" something? Not exactly searching but heading in the right direction I mean, did he have a metal detector and was searching something? No Was him a collector? No If so, did he found a bomb? Did he found himself in a minefield? No but I like your thinking.
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Postby peter365 » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:11 am

Hi Trebor

Is the object he's fishing for a household one? Is it used in/on a car? Is the thing in a store? In a gym? Is he trying to reach something [*]just[*] on the other side of a bear trap? Has any sort of trap been set for him? No to all I'm afraid but there is an element of trying to reach something.

Did something fall on his leg? If so, the thing he was fishing for? No but the thing he was fishing for did cause the leg injury but not by falling on it.

Also, is his profession relevant? Very much depends on your definition of profession Are his hobbies relevant? No Are any other people relevant? He has a few people helping him yes Is this modern-day? About 30 or 40 years ago when the accident happened, they guy's about mid 60s now. Is whatever injured him an object which most of us would have touched at some point in our lives? If yes, commonly? I doubt most people would have touched one but I'd say most would have seen one.
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Postby peter365 » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:12 am

Balin

Was he "fishing" for an item he'd lost? Was the item behind something relevant? Under? Between? No to all , it was on something.
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Postby Earnest » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:19 am

You too and apologies for neglecting this No prob. :)

is an explosion involved at all? is the object that he was searching desired by many other people? If so, is him the unique who was searching it? Or were there others?

did he use a spyglass to perform "fishing"? did he lose his leg when he discovered the item? Before? After?Minutes after? Milliseconds after? Minutes/seconds before? Milliseconds before?

"fishing" is here used as synonyms of hunting? Or an activity which requires to use a bait and capture something? Did he need to wait? Did he need to be hidden? Was he searching something considered precious? Like gold? Diamonds? Something that can be found in nature (e.g. mushrooms...)? A human-made object?

Did he fall?

the object was on something --> on something living? On something like a rock? a building?
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Postby trebor » Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:41 pm

Hello!

Was the man a criminal? Was he in someone's home when he was "fishing"? Was he in his own home? Was he in a public place? A place of work? His place of work?

Is it relevant what the object is on when he tries to get it? If so, a shelf? A table? Something inanimate? Something that can melt? Or otherwise change shape? Is the shape of the thing he was reaching for relevant?
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Postby peter365 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:23 am

Earnest

is an explosion involved at all? No is the object that he was searching desired by many other people? No but it has a very practical use and is of some value If so, is him the unique who was searching it? Or were there others? A small group of which he is one

did he use a spyglass to perform "fishing"? No did he lose his leg when he discovered the item? Before? After?Minutes after? Milliseconds after? Minutes/seconds before? Milliseconds before? Seconds to minutes after but I wouldn't describe it as 'discovering'

"fishing" is here used as synonyms of hunting? This is quite subjective. Let's say it's the pursuit of something but not chasing if you follow Or an activity which requires to use a bait and capture something? No, bait is not used Did he need to wait? Yes Did he need to be hidden? They would need to be covery but not necessarily hidden Was he searching something considered precious? No but it has a monetary value Like gold? Diamonds? Something that can be found in nature (e.g. mushrooms...)? No, but it is partly comprised of natural things A human-made object? Yes

Did he fall? No

the object was on something --> on something living? On something like a rock? a building? It was on something but not any of the examples you've chosen.
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Postby peter365 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:27 am

Trebor

Was the man a criminal? YES!! Was he in someone's home when he was "fishing"? Was he in his own home? No to both Was he in a public place? A place of work? His place of work? He was outside so yes to public but not really in a place of work

Is it relevant what the object is on when he tries to get it? Very much so If so, a shelf? A table? No to both Something inanimate? yes Something that can melt? I'm pretty sure most things can melt but to avoid confusion I'm going to say no Or otherwise change shape? No Is the shape of the thing he was reaching for relevant? Yes among other physical characteristics

Starting to make a bit of progress
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Postby Balin » Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:34 am

Was the man a burglar or robber? Was his crime white-collar? Did it involve harming another person?
Was the object on a roof? In a window?
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Postby peter365 » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:40 am

Balin

Was the man a burglar or robber? A robber if I understand what you mean by that, he wasn't sticking a gun in anyone's face though. A thief is how i'd describe him actually . Was his crime white-collar? No Did it involve harming another person? No
Was the object on a roof? In a window? No to both
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Postby trebor » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:18 pm

Is the thing he was trying to reach larger than a baseball? Basketball? Car? Is it round? Does it have four sides? More? Is it worth more than $10? More than $100? $1000? Is it the main thing he was trying to steal? Or is it something he needs to be able to steal what he actually wants?

Is the weather relevant? Was the thing above the ground? Below it? In a tree? On construction equipment? Does the man have to climb on a ladder to get it? Is it higher than that?
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Postby peter365 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:42 pm

Trebor

Is the thing he was trying to reach larger than a baseball? Basketball? Yes Car? No Is it round? Cylindrical Does it have four sides?See above More? Is it worth more than $10? More than $100? This $1000? Less Is it the main thing he was trying to steal? Yes Or is it something he needs to be able to steal what he actually wants?

Is the weather relevant? No Was the thing above the ground? Yes Below it? In a tree? No On construction equipment? No Does the man have to climb on a ladder to get it? No Is it higher than that? No it's below him and that's a key point.
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Postby Balin » Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:34 pm

Did the thing fall on his leg?
Was the thing he was trying to reach the building itself? Part of the building? Was it a water tower? Chimney? Smokestack?
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Postby peter365 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:51 am

Balin

Did the thing fall on his leg? No but it was instrumental in causing a crushing/slashing injury to his leg
Was the thing he was trying to reach the building itself? Part of the building? Was it a water tower? Chimney? Smokestack? No to all and I'm afraid you have an FA , there's no building involved.
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Postby Earnest » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:39 am

so was the thing somehow "protected" for instance by a glass? Was it watched? Were relevant security measures undertaken? Did he injured while trying to circumvent such measures?

Was the thing relevantly heavy? Is the cylindrical shape relevant in that it didn't allow the criminal to have a firm grip on the object? Is the material of the object relevant? Iron? A precious mineral? Metal? A toxic element? A dangerous element? An element that needed particular measures to be rightly preserved?

One thing that I don't understand is: is the object inside a building? I mean...e.g. it is in a special room of a museum on something, or it is in an open space on something? Are graveyards relevant? Is the man a "grave robber"?
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Postby peter365 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:10 pm

Earnest

so was the thing somehow "protected" for instance by a glass? No Was it watched? No Were relevant security measures undertaken? They were pretty lax as you'll discover Did he injured while trying to circumvent such measures? No not really , he was injured as a direct result of obtaining the item.

Was the thing relevantly heavy? Yes it's pretty heavy Is the cylindrical shape relevant in that it didn't allow the criminal to have a firm grip on the object? Not really and he's not going to physically grip it Is the material of the object relevant? Not especially but it's relevant that it's heavy Iron? A precious mineral? Metal? It's probably steel and some other components , not sure and wouldn't get to hung up on this A toxic element? A dangerous element? An element that needed particular measures to be rightly preserved? No to rest

One thing that I don't understand is: is the object inside a building? No it isn't I mean...e.g. it is in a special room of a museum on something, or it is in an open space on something? It is in an open space on something yes Are graveyards relevant? Is the man a "grave robber"? No but nice lateral thought.

Hint: Concentrate on why the man might have described this theft as 'xxxxxxx' fishing, think of the actions that might imply.
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