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[peter365] In Rod we Trust

Postby peter365 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:05 am

Hi there everyone, a rare offering from yours truly

I knew a man who lost a leg in a fishing accident , thing is he'd never angled in his life.

Please explain
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Postby SurfingPikachu » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:07 pm

Hello!

Did the man lose his own leg? An artificial leg? The leg of, say, a prawn or other bait? Some other leg?

The man never fished? Or he fished but not with a rod? Perhaps with a net? With his bare hands?

Or was someone else doing the fishing when he met with the fishing accident?

Is the man dead? If so, were the circumstances of death relevant to the puzzle?
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Postby peter365 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:24 pm

Hello! Right back at ya

Did the man lose his own leg? Yes An artificial leg? The leg of, say, a prawn or other bait? Some other leg? No to rest

The man never fished? He never angled ] Or he fished but not with a rod? Yope and this is the crux of the matter Perhaps with a net? With his bare hands? No to these

Or was someone else doing the fishing when he met with the fishing accident? there were others helping him yes , but they weren't angling either

Is the man dead? If so, were the circumstances of death relevant to the puzzle? No he's alive albeit with 'one sock too many' . You only need to concern yourself with how he lost his leg.
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:31 pm

"Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for life. But teach him well, lest he forfeit a leg whilst learning." - Old Proverb

Was the man used to fishing with a net? By some other method?
Did the man make an assumption about some of the equipment he was using?
Did the man lose the leg immediately as a result of something he did while fishing (like the leg was bitten off by a shark that the man was trying to land)?
Or did he sustain an injury that was so extensive that the leg had to be amputated later?
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Postby peter365 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:38 pm

Hi Coffeebean

Was the man used to fishing with a net? No By some other method? Yes but be careful, this puzzle is almost designed to make an FA happen
Did the man make an assumption about some of the equipment he was using? Not a relevant one
Did the man lose the leg immediately as a result of something he did while fishing (like the leg was bitten off by a shark that the man was trying to land)?
Or did he sustain an injury that was so extensive that the leg had to be amputated later? The latter but the former would work just as well .
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Postby SurfingPikachu » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:21 pm

"By some other method? Yes"
"Or he fished but not with a rod? Yope"
So the man did fish? And the man was fishing when the fishing accident occurred?
Did he fish with a rod in a manner that could not be considered angling? Such as, er... trying to use a rod to smack fish unconscious? Or trying to use a sharpened rod to spearfish?
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Postby peter365 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:27 pm

"By some other method? Yes"
"Or he fished but not with a rod? Yope"
So the man did fish? No but he referred to it as fishing And the man was fishing when the fishing accident occurred? His version of fishing yes
Did he fish with a rod in a manner that could not be considered angling? Such as, er... trying to use a rod to smack fish unconscious? Or trying to use a sharpened rod to spearfish? To be fair I think you've probably established now that fishing in this instance does mean the pursuit of fish
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Postby Balin » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:31 pm

Did the man attempt to pursue fish by catching them with his bear hands? Using explosives to kill them with the shockwave?
Did he fish (with his definition) from a boat? Standing in the water? From the land? From a dock or pier?
Did he "fish" in the water at all?
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Postby SurfingPikachu » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:39 pm

And just to be clear, phishing is not involved?
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Postby Enjay » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:17 pm

Was the leg cut off? Crushed? Frozen?

Just to check did you mean to say that "fishing in this instance does mean the pursuit of fish"? Or "does not mean"?

Did fishing involve trying to physically catch anything? Is fishing for information relevant? Fishing for compliments?
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Postby peter365 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:53 pm

Balin

Did the man attempt to pursue fish by catching them with his bear hands? He doesn't have bear hands he has human ones :roll: No and there's an FA here Using explosives to kill them with the shockwave?
Did he fish (with his definition) from a boat? Standing in the water? From the land? From a dock or pier?
Did he "fish" in the water at all? No to rest , he wasn't in fact fishing
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Postby peter365 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:53 pm

Surfing Pikachu

And just to be clear, phishing is not involved? No but I like your thinking
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Postby peter365 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:56 pm

Enjay

Was the leg cut off? This Crushed? Frozen?

Just to check did you mean to say that "fishing in this instance does mean the pursuit of fish"? Or "does not mean"? OHH my bad that was a typo and would explain Balin's questions i'll clarify below

Did fishing involve trying to physically catch anything? Yes but not fish Is fishing for information relevant? Fishing for compliments? No but again nice thinking
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Postby peter365 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:01 pm

Darn i'm out of practice. Major blooper alert in my earlier post when I said...... To be fair I think you've probably established now that fishing in this instance does mean the pursuit of fish.

This should have read DOES NOT MEAN........ Our protagonist lost his leg doing something that he descrbed as ******* fishing. Water and anything living are not involved . You simply have to establish what he was doing when he lost the limb.

Apologies for any confusion.
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Postby SurfingPikachu » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:53 pm

Was he trying to obtain an object? Something intangible? Something else? Multiple copies of it? Does the method of obtaining involve patience? Luck? Luring?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:20 pm

Did the activity he was doing require use of his legs?
Was he fishing for a compliment?
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Postby peter365 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:52 am

Surfing Pikachu

Was he trying to obtain an object? Yes Something intangible? Something else? Multiple copies of it? He had probably done this on a number of occasions but each time the target is just one item Does the method of obtaining involve patience? Yes Luck? Yes Luring? but no to this
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Postby peter365 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:53 am

Coffeebean
Did the activity he was doing require use of his legs? Not specifically but it would be a lot more difficult with one leg.
Was he fishing for a compliment? No
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Postby SurfingPikachu » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:45 pm

The object of desire is not a living thing? Presumably the man is, though?
Is the object smaller than a cherry? An apple? A watermelon? A man? A car?
Is the location in a city? A countryside? In the wild? In the woods? On an elevated area? ...a dumpster?
Was his leg amputated? Lost directly in the accident? Cut off? Smashed? Infected? Poisoned? Frostbitten?
Was the "fishing" foreseeably risky?
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Postby peter365 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:40 pm

Surfing Pikachu

The object of desire is not a living thing? Correct Presumably the man is, though? Indeed
Is the object smaller than a cherry? An apple? A watermelon? A man? This A car?
Is the location in a city? Yes A countryside? In the wild? In the woods? On an elevated area? Yes ...a dumpster?
Was his leg amputated? Lost directly in the accident? It could be either and not really relevant. Cut off? Smashed? I'd say this is closest , lets go with it was cut and crushed so badly it had to be amputated Infected? Poisoned? Frostbitten? No to rest
Was the "fishing" foreseeably risky? Yes
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Postby Earnest » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:43 pm

Hi and nice to "meet" you !!!

So, I suppose that also in his version of fishing water is involved, right? or did he refer to "fishing" as generally "searching" something? I mean, did he have a metal detector and was searching something? Was him a collector? If so, did he found a bomb? Did he found himself in a minefield?
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Postby SurfingPikachu » Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:30 pm

Is the location in a building? A tall building? A skyscraper?
Does the object contain metal? Wood? Paper? Parts of what were once living things? Plastics? Glass? Ceramics? Electronics?
Is the object under... *glances at Dublin, Ireland* 1kg? 2kg? 5kg? 10kg? 20kg? Heavier?
Is the object usually black? White? Grey? Red? Orange? Yellow? Green? Blue? Purple? Brown? Is he treasure hunting for objects matching colours of the rainbow? :D
Is the object owned by someone else?
Was his leg crushed with a baseball bat by a disgruntled student who had heard enough of a certain oft-quoted encouragement? :lol:
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Postby trebor » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:49 pm

Is the object he's fishing for a household one? Is it used in/on a car? Is the thing in a store? In a gym? Is he trying to reach something [*]just[*] on the other side of a bear trap? Has any sort of trap been set for him?

Did something fall on his leg? If so, the thing he was fishing for?
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Postby trebor » Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:38 am

Also, is his profession relevant? Are his hobbies relevant? Are any other people relevant? Is this modern-day? Is whatever injured him an object which most of us would have touched at some point in our lives? If yes, commonly?
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Postby Balin » Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:04 pm

Was he "fishing" for an item he'd lost? Was the item behind something relevant? Under? Between?
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Postby peter365 » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:06 am

Ernest

Hi and nice to "meet" you !!! You too and apologies for neglecting this

So, I suppose that also in his version of fishing water is involved, right? No or did he refer to "fishing" as generally "searching" something? Not exactly searching but heading in the right direction I mean, did he have a metal detector and was searching something? No Was him a collector? No If so, did he found a bomb? Did he found himself in a minefield? No but I like your thinking.
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Postby peter365 » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:11 am

Hi Trebor

Is the object he's fishing for a household one? Is it used in/on a car? Is the thing in a store? In a gym? Is he trying to reach something [*]just[*] on the other side of a bear trap? Has any sort of trap been set for him? No to all I'm afraid but there is an element of trying to reach something.

Did something fall on his leg? If so, the thing he was fishing for? No but the thing he was fishing for did cause the leg injury but not by falling on it.

Also, is his profession relevant? Very much depends on your definition of profession Are his hobbies relevant? No Are any other people relevant? He has a few people helping him yes Is this modern-day? About 30 or 40 years ago when the accident happened, they guy's about mid 60s now. Is whatever injured him an object which most of us would have touched at some point in our lives? If yes, commonly? I doubt most people would have touched one but I'd say most would have seen one.
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Postby peter365 » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:12 am

Balin

Was he "fishing" for an item he'd lost? Was the item behind something relevant? Under? Between? No to all , it was on something.
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Postby Earnest » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:19 am

You too and apologies for neglecting this No prob. :)

is an explosion involved at all? is the object that he was searching desired by many other people? If so, is him the unique who was searching it? Or were there others?

did he use a spyglass to perform "fishing"? did he lose his leg when he discovered the item? Before? After?Minutes after? Milliseconds after? Minutes/seconds before? Milliseconds before?

"fishing" is here used as synonyms of hunting? Or an activity which requires to use a bait and capture something? Did he need to wait? Did he need to be hidden? Was he searching something considered precious? Like gold? Diamonds? Something that can be found in nature (e.g. mushrooms...)? A human-made object?

Did he fall?

the object was on something --> on something living? On something like a rock? a building?
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Postby trebor » Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:41 pm

Hello!

Was the man a criminal? Was he in someone's home when he was "fishing"? Was he in his own home? Was he in a public place? A place of work? His place of work?

Is it relevant what the object is on when he tries to get it? If so, a shelf? A table? Something inanimate? Something that can melt? Or otherwise change shape? Is the shape of the thing he was reaching for relevant?
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Postby peter365 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:23 am

Earnest

is an explosion involved at all? No is the object that he was searching desired by many other people? No but it has a very practical use and is of some value If so, is him the unique who was searching it? Or were there others? A small group of which he is one

did he use a spyglass to perform "fishing"? No did he lose his leg when he discovered the item? Before? After?Minutes after? Milliseconds after? Minutes/seconds before? Milliseconds before? Seconds to minutes after but I wouldn't describe it as 'discovering'

"fishing" is here used as synonyms of hunting? This is quite subjective. Let's say it's the pursuit of something but not chasing if you follow Or an activity which requires to use a bait and capture something? No, bait is not used Did he need to wait? Yes Did he need to be hidden? They would need to be covery but not necessarily hidden Was he searching something considered precious? No but it has a monetary value Like gold? Diamonds? Something that can be found in nature (e.g. mushrooms...)? No, but it is partly comprised of natural things A human-made object? Yes

Did he fall? No

the object was on something --> on something living? On something like a rock? a building? It was on something but not any of the examples you've chosen.
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Postby peter365 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:27 am

Trebor

Was the man a criminal? YES!! Was he in someone's home when he was "fishing"? Was he in his own home? No to both Was he in a public place? A place of work? His place of work? He was outside so yes to public but not really in a place of work

Is it relevant what the object is on when he tries to get it? Very much so If so, a shelf? A table? No to both Something inanimate? yes Something that can melt? I'm pretty sure most things can melt but to avoid confusion I'm going to say no Or otherwise change shape? No Is the shape of the thing he was reaching for relevant? Yes among other physical characteristics

Starting to make a bit of progress
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Postby Balin » Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:34 am

Was the man a burglar or robber? Was his crime white-collar? Did it involve harming another person?
Was the object on a roof? In a window?
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Postby peter365 » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:40 am

Balin

Was the man a burglar or robber? A robber if I understand what you mean by that, he wasn't sticking a gun in anyone's face though. A thief is how i'd describe him actually . Was his crime white-collar? No Did it involve harming another person? No
Was the object on a roof? In a window? No to both
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Postby trebor » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:18 pm

Is the thing he was trying to reach larger than a baseball? Basketball? Car? Is it round? Does it have four sides? More? Is it worth more than $10? More than $100? $1000? Is it the main thing he was trying to steal? Or is it something he needs to be able to steal what he actually wants?

Is the weather relevant? Was the thing above the ground? Below it? In a tree? On construction equipment? Does the man have to climb on a ladder to get it? Is it higher than that?
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Postby peter365 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:42 pm

Trebor

Is the thing he was trying to reach larger than a baseball? Basketball? Yes Car? No Is it round? Cylindrical Does it have four sides?See above More? Is it worth more than $10? More than $100? This $1000? Less Is it the main thing he was trying to steal? Yes Or is it something he needs to be able to steal what he actually wants?

Is the weather relevant? No Was the thing above the ground? Yes Below it? In a tree? No On construction equipment? No Does the man have to climb on a ladder to get it? No Is it higher than that? No it's below him and that's a key point.
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Postby Balin » Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:34 pm

Did the thing fall on his leg?
Was the thing he was trying to reach the building itself? Part of the building? Was it a water tower? Chimney? Smokestack?
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Postby peter365 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:51 am

Balin

Did the thing fall on his leg? No but it was instrumental in causing a crushing/slashing injury to his leg
Was the thing he was trying to reach the building itself? Part of the building? Was it a water tower? Chimney? Smokestack? No to all and I'm afraid you have an FA , there's no building involved.
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Postby Earnest » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:39 am

so was the thing somehow "protected" for instance by a glass? Was it watched? Were relevant security measures undertaken? Did he injured while trying to circumvent such measures?

Was the thing relevantly heavy? Is the cylindrical shape relevant in that it didn't allow the criminal to have a firm grip on the object? Is the material of the object relevant? Iron? A precious mineral? Metal? A toxic element? A dangerous element? An element that needed particular measures to be rightly preserved?

One thing that I don't understand is: is the object inside a building? I mean...e.g. it is in a special room of a museum on something, or it is in an open space on something? Are graveyards relevant? Is the man a "grave robber"?
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Postby peter365 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:10 pm

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so was the thing somehow "protected" for instance by a glass? No Was it watched? No Were relevant security measures undertaken? They were pretty lax as you'll discover Did he injured while trying to circumvent such measures? No not really , he was injured as a direct result of obtaining the item.

Was the thing relevantly heavy? Yes it's pretty heavy Is the cylindrical shape relevant in that it didn't allow the criminal to have a firm grip on the object? Not really and he's not going to physically grip it Is the material of the object relevant? Not especially but it's relevant that it's heavy Iron? A precious mineral? Metal? It's probably steel and some other components , not sure and wouldn't get to hung up on this A toxic element? A dangerous element? An element that needed particular measures to be rightly preserved? No to rest

One thing that I don't understand is: is the object inside a building? No it isn't I mean...e.g. it is in a special room of a museum on something, or it is in an open space on something? It is in an open space on something yes Are graveyards relevant? Is the man a "grave robber"? No but nice lateral thought.

Hint: Concentrate on why the man might have described this theft as 'xxxxxxx' fishing, think of the actions that might imply.
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Postby Earnest » Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:14 pm

Relevant the reason why he wanted to rob it other than to become richer? Like it was necessary to reach something else?

Did he injured as a direct consequence of removing the object from its original place? E.g. he was on the object when it was removed...

Did he use a hook to lift the object? A crane? Was the object a statue? A part of a statue? An historical object? Was it part of a public place? Is it possible to find such objects in almost every big city? In the centre of every big city? In a specific part of every big city?
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Postby Balin » Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:34 pm

In 'xxxxxxx' fishing, is the xxxxxxx just representative of the object? Is it a pun on some other type of fishing (i.e. fly fishing)?
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Postby peter365 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:47 am

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Relevant the reason why he wanted to rob it other than to become richer? No it was purely for financial gain, and not a huge financial gain i might add Like it was necessary to reach something else?

Did he injured as a direct consequence of removing the object from its original place? E.g. he was on the object when it was removed... Yes to the question , no to the example

Did he use a hook to lift the object? Yes, but a specific type of hook A crane? no , but on the right track Was the object a statue? A part of a statue? An historical object? Was it part of a public place? No to all Is it possible to find such objects in almost every big city? Yes In the centre of every big city? and yes again In a specific part of every big city? Yes I suppose but these last questions have the potential to mislead. The item is not a permanent fixture of a town or city , it's just something you'd find there.
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Postby peter365 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:49 am

Balin

In 'xxxxxxx' fishing, is the xxxxxxx just representative of the object? Yes and I hit a random number of x's so that wasn't a clue to the length of the word Is it a pun on some other type of fishing (i.e. fly fishing)? No 'Blank' fishing was just an amusing description of this criminal activity.

Not wanting to condone criminal acitvity but this endeavour is one where you'd have to have a grudging admiration for their ingenuity
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Postby biograd » Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:47 pm

Is the item for public use (i.e., something like a phone booth, trash can, vending machine, etc.)? or for private use?

Is the value of the item in the item itself? or does it hold money (for example, like a parking meter)?
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Postby Earnest » Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:26 pm

Tow tracks relevant?
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Postby peter365 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:36 am

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Is the item for public use (i.e., something like a phone booth, trash can, vending machine, etc.)? or for private use? It's used by a particular commercial sector who interact with the public

Is the value of the item in the item itself? or does it hold money (for example, like a parking meter)? It's value is in what it contains but it's not money.
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Postby peter365 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:37 am

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Tow tracks relevant? I'm assuming you mean Tow Trucks , no.
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Postby Earnest » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:34 am

So...it doesn't contain money at all?
Were there food/snacks in inside? Cigarettes? Drink? Something else? Does its shape remember something else (e.g. a can?) for commercial reasons?

Was the hook used to lift up the item? To drag the item? Was the hook "inserted" somewhere in the item? Was the item securely fixed to the ground? Was the hook carefully used by the thief? Did they use a vehicle to transport the item, maybe with a scoop?

WAG--> was the thief on the scoop with the item and the vehicle where he was needed to go through a narrow street?

Did the removal of the item from its place of origin provoke the leg to be injured because of something inside the item? Under the item? (e.g. cables and electricity...) Maybe stupid wag...: if the item was securely fixed to the ground, did the man fall in the hole formed due to the removal of the item from the ground? Because the hook suddenly move toward the man?
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Earnest

So...it doesn't contain money at all? None whatsoever
Were there food/snacks in inside? Cigarettes? Drink? This and that should all but tell you what it is Something else? Does its shape remember something else (e.g. a can?) for commercial reasons? Nothing like that, no .

Was the hook used to lift up the item? Yes To drag the item? Was the hook "inserted" somewhere in the item? It didn't pierce it if that's what you mean. It hooked on to something. Was the item securely fixed to the ground? No and that's important Was the hook carefully used by the thief? Yes, this operation took a fair bit of skill Did they use a vehicle to transport the item, maybe with a scoop? Possibly but what they did after they'd obtained it is not really relevant

WAG--> was the thief on the scoop with the item and the vehicle where he was needed to go through a narrow street? [b] No but that's a really good puzzle in itself. Transport is relevant however!!! big clue. [/b]

Did the removal of the item from its place of origin provoke the leg to be injured because of something inside the item? No it was more the sheer weight of the item. Under the item? (e.g. cables and electricity...) not under but a cable is relevant Maybe stupid wag...: if the item was securely fixed to the ground, did the man fall in the hole formed due to the removal of the item from the ground? Because the hook suddenly move toward the man? No but you've unearther no end of potential puzzles in some of your guesses.

Excellent progress there Earnest. Believe it or not you basically have all you need now you just need to piece it all together.
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Postby Earnest » Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:53 am

Excellent progress there Earnest. Believe it or not you basically have all you need now you just need to piece it all together--> well thanks...but I'm not sure about it for what concerns me ahahahaha

So, was the thief aware that the item was not securely fixed to the ground? If not, did he believe it? Are the fluctuations of the item when lifted up relevant? Did the item provoke the injury once lifted? When lifted through the hook? When transported? When placed again on the ground?
Was the man on the ground when injured? Near the item?
Did the weight of the item somehow overbalanced the vehicle governing the hook?
Is it all a question of balancing the weight due to fluctuations of the item?

Is it relevant to discover what precisely the item was or is it sufficient to know that it was an heavy box where some drink is contained?
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Postby Balin » Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:16 pm

Was it a vending machine? A cooler? A soda fountain?
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Postby peter365 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:00 pm

Earnest

Excellent progress there Earnest. Believe it or not you basically have all you need now you just need to piece it all together--> well thanks...but I'm not sure about it for what concerns me ahahahaha Easy for me to say when I know the solution

So, was the thief aware that the item was not securely fixed to the ground? It wasn't on the ground at all If not, did he believe it? Are the fluctuations of the item when lifted up relevant? Yes Did the item provoke the injury once lifted? Yes When lifted through the hook? Unsure what you mean, it caused the injury when lifted by the hook When transported? No , remember transportation is relevant but their (the theives transportation of it after they'd stolen is not. When placed again on the ground? No
Was the man on the ground when injured? No , finally someone asks the important question Near the item? Yes
Did the weight of the item somehow overbalanced the vehicle governing the hook? There was no vehicle governing the hook but a vehicle of sorts is relevant.
Is it all a question of balancing the weight due to fluctuations of the item? There's certainly an element of this and also knowing where not to stand when all of this is going on.

Is it relevant to discover what precisely the item was or is it sufficient to know that it was an heavy box where some drink is contained? It'll certainly help you picture the scene. What's cylindrical, made of metal and is used by a commercial sector and is full of liquid
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Postby peter365 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:02 pm

Balin

Was it a vending machine? A cooler? A soda fountain? No to all


Consider the hook my lateral friends. Anyone still picturing a small fishing hook is way of the mark.
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Postby biograd » Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:26 pm

A beer keg?

Did it swing like a wrecking ball toward the man once lifted off of whatever it was on (a platform? stacked on top of other similar containers?), because it wasn't being lifted straight up?
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Postby Earnest » Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:22 pm

RECAP... the thief and his mates rob a cylindric item lifting it up with an hook (suppose a big hook) which is NOT governed by a vehicle. The man was above the ground near the item when injured. Right?

So...was the hook governed by an artificial mean of transport? (which is not a boat right?) Does it have wheels? Is it common to see that mean of transport in the streets? Is it more likely to be seen on streets? Up in the air? Afloat? Is it an airplane? If so, was the man on that mean of transport? Did he fall from that mean of transport?

I have a vague idea of what could have happened but I am not sure...so my idea is that they had a small airplane/helicopter and they wanted to lift up the item with it. They stupidly tied an end of the hook to the side support (don't know the name...the one used to land) so that when the item was lifted up it begins to fluctuate and to overbalance the helicopter which fatally fell.
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Postby Balin » Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:51 pm

"What's cylindrical, made of metal and is used by a commercial sector and is full of liquid" sounds like the set-up to a joke. My best punch line right now is "Not a latrine."

Was he lifting the object with a crane? Did the crane overbalance? And collapse/fall?
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Postby trebor » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:58 am

I'm liking the keg idea, but I can't think of many times I've seen kegs that high off the ground... Were he and his mates trying to steal a keg (or several) from someone's backyard party, or something similar? Was the object they were trying to steal merely a few feet off the ground, like at table-height? Did they have an accomplice at the object who could attach a hook or two to it?
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Postby peter365 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:44 am

Biograd

A beer keg? YES !!!!

Did it swing like a wrecking ball toward the man once lifted off of whatever it was on (a platform? stacked on top of other similar containers?), because it wasn't being lifted straight up? It did swing like a wrecking ball the but keg itself did not inflict the damage.
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Postby peter365 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:46 am

Earnest

RECAP... the thief and his mates rob a cylindric item lifting it up with an hook (suppose a big hook) which is NOT governed by a vehicle. The man was above the ground near the item when injured. Right? Yes and we now know the cylindrical item is a beer keg.

So...was the hook governed by an artificial mean of transport? No it wasn't . Transport is relevant but the thieves do not utilise any until after the crime. (which is not a boat right?) Does it have wheels? Yes, answered with the caveat above Is it common to see that mean of transport in the streets? No you wouldn't see it on a street Is it more likely to be seen on streets? Up in the air? Afloat? Is it an airplane? If so, was the man on that mean of transport? Did he fall from that mean of transport? No to all

I have a vague idea of what could have happened but I am not sure...so my idea is that they had a small airplane/helicopter and they wanted to lift up the item with it. They stupidly tied an end of the hook to the side support (don't know the name...the one used to land) so that when the item was lifted up it begins to fluctuate and to overbalance the helicopter which fatally fell. Nice thinking but no.
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Postby peter365 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:48 am

Balin

"What's cylindrical, made of metal and is used by a commercial sector and is full of liquid" sounds like the set-up to a joke. My best punch line right now is "Not a latrine." I like it.

Was he lifting the object with a crane? Did the crane overbalance? And collapse/fall? No to all
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Postby peter365 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:51 am

Trebor

I'm liking the keg idea and with good reason , but I can't think of many times I've seen kegs that high off the ground... Were he and his mates trying to steal a keg (or several) from someone's backyard party, or something similar? No Was the object they were trying to steal merely a few feet off the ground, like at table-height? I'd say about head heightDid they have an accomplice at the object who could attach a hook or two to it? no and that's the fishing part explained.
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Postby peter365 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:55 am

Recap

A final recap before this little distraction is killed off.

Our hero (antihero) loses a leg while he and some pals are stealing a beer keg using a large hook. They are above the ground when they are committing this theft. The keg itself while instrumental in the accident does not actually inflict the wound itself. Transport is very relevant but not one used by them. The mode of transport is an everyday one but you wouldn't see it on a public street.

You should have all you need now folks.
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Postby Earnest » Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:24 pm

Transport is very relevant but not one used by them---> the way the beer keg is transported? So...a forklift truck?...


Maybe I am drowning in a glass of water (can I say that in english?)...so I let the other find out the solution before asking many stupid questions :S
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Postby trebor » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:33 am

Is the mode of transportation simply human power? Is it a non-human animal? Is it wheeled transport? If so, with a one-wheeled vehicle? Two? Three? Four? More? Is a ladder involved? An elevator? An escalator? Were they on a rooftop when they were fishing for the keg? In a tree? Was he injured by the mode of transport? Did the keg come into contact with the mode of transport? If so, did the keg cause it harm?
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Postby peter365 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:08 am

Earnest

Transport is very relevant but not one used by them---> the way the beer keg is transported? Yes So...a forklift truck?... but no to this


Maybe I am drowning in a glass of water (can I say that in english?)... I like this expression so I let the other find out the solution before asking many stupid questions :S There's no such thing as a stupid question on this forum
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Postby peter365 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:13 am

Trebor

Is the mode of transportation simply human power? No Is it a non-human animal? No Is it wheeled transport? Yes If so, with a one-wheeled vehicle? Two? Three? Four? More? A lot more Is a ladder involved? An elevator? An escalator? No to all Were they on a rooftop when they were fishing for the keg? In a tree? No Was he injured by the mode of transport? No Did the keg come into contact with the mode of transport? If so, did the keg cause it harm? There's an FA creeping here so I'll simply say the keg is on the mode of transport. That's where they're stealing from .
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Postby Earnest » Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:03 pm

There's no such thing as a stupid question on this forum--> oh yes my questions often are xD

do you mainly see the mean of transport inside firms or factories? is it a truck? regarding the position of the wheels: are them positioned under the mean of transport as in a car for instance? If not, are them like in a conveyor roller? I mean...are the wheels the main source for the mean of transport to move? (e.g. in an airplane, which is not our mean of transport, there are wheels, but its main source to fly are the wings...except of course the engine) Does the remove of the keg provoked something to suddenly stop? something to suddenly start?
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Postby peter365 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:27 pm

Earnest

There's no such thing as a stupid question on this forum--> oh yes my questions often are xD :D

do you mainly see the mean of transport inside firms or factories? No is it a truck? No regarding the position of the wheels: are them positioned under the mean of transport as in a car for instance? Yes but it's not a car If not, are them like in a conveyor roller? I mean...are the wheels the main source for the mean of transport to move? Yes (e.g. in an airplane, which is not our mean of transport, there are wheels, but its main source to fly are the wings...except of course the engine) It's not an airplane, and we're probably left with the one mode of transport not guessed at this stage. Does the remove of the keg provoked something to suddenly stop? No something to suddenly start? Something moves relevantly.
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Postby Balin » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:00 pm

Mode of transport: a train?
Was the train (or other mode of transport if my guess is wrong) moving at the time?
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Postby Earnest » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:05 pm

o God...see peter365? hahahahaha

Was it something in far west? Like he had a rope/a lasso and he tried to take the beer keg with it? maybe while riding a horse?
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Postby trebor » Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:53 pm

Did he get run over by the train?
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Postby peter365 » Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:00 pm

Balin

Mode of transport: a train? Yes, the keg is one of many being transported by train.
Was the train (or other mode of transport if my guess is wrong) moving at the time? No but it's about to. The train is stopped at a signal box
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Postby peter365 » Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:02 pm

Earnest

o God...see peter365? hahahahaha

Was it something in far west? No Like he had a rope/a lasso and he tried to take the beer keg with it? No but that would be a funny spectacle maybe while riding a horse? No , if you were to rob something off the back of a train , where would you position yourself.
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Trebor

Did he get run over by the train? No
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Postby Hobbsicle » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:08 pm

Were they on top of the train? On something stationary above the train? Did he lose his leg when the train started moving? Did the hook or whatever the hook was attached to (chain?) pull off his leg as the train pulled away?
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Postby Earnest » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:41 am

if you were to rob something off the back of a train , where would you position yourself --> well I thought of a far west scenario...those in which trains (I mean old trains) could be opened on a side.

is the speed of the train together with the weight of the keg that caused him to lose his leg? Like he was on the top of something above the train with the hook and he tried to catch the beer keg when the train passed?

did he lose his leg while positioning the hook? because he was somehow hit by the train?

were them/him inside the train?

I have a little WAG...but I don't know...was him under the train? I mean on the rails so that when the train passes he hooked it on the back?
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Postby peter365 » Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:06 am

Hobbsicle

Were they on top of the train? On something stationary above the train? This Did he lose his leg when the train started moving? Did the hook or whatever the hook was attached to (chain?) pull off his leg as the train pulled away? Precisely

Earnest

if you were to rob something off the back of a train , where would you position yourself --> well I thought of a far west scenario...those in which trains (I mean old trains) could be opened on a side.

is the speed of the train together with the weight of the keg that caused him to lose his leg? Like he was on the top of something above the train with the hook and he tried to catch the beer keg when the train passed?

did he lose his leg while positioning the hook? because he was somehow hit by the train?

were them/him inside the train?

I have a little WAG...but I don't know...was him under the train? I mean on the rails so that when the train passes he hooked it on the back? We're pretty much at the solution but I'm amazed at the number of very lateral ideas you've come up with .


Ok I think we can put this one to bed as there's just a few minor details to fill in

****************SPOILER*******************

Some years ago in Ireland kegs of Guinness were distributed country wide on the back of trains in uncovered carriages. Our protagonist and his mates used this to their advantage. As the train had just left the station they would position themselves on a bridge at a spot where the knew the train had to stop and wait for a signal change.

Their MO was to dangle a grapple hook secured to a strong steel cable which would be secured to the bridge and then they would try to hook onto to one of the kegs. Once the train pulled off, the keg would become separated and could be hauled up . They would then scarper and sell the keg to a local pub for a negotiated sum.

On guy was sitting astride the bridge patiently waiting for the hook to secure a keg. Unfortunately he carelessly positioned his leg between the cable and the bridge.When they successfully 'got a bite' the keg became separated and swung back causing the cable to tighten suddenly and crushing our hero's leg against the bridge. His injuries were so severe his leg had to be amputated. A full beer keg weighs about as much as a man and would create considerable force when swinging from a suspended cable.

When he told me the story of how he came to lose his leg I had to grudgingly admire the ingenuity of the crime and I couldn't help but laugh at the fact that such a daring enterprise had a name amongst the minor criminal fraternity. Keg Fishing!!

Hope you enjoyed this. Thanks to Balin, Earnest and Trebor for the spadework and Hobbsicle for the coup de grace.

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