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[Balin] Infernal nonsense (connections)

Postby Balin » Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:35 pm

This is a connections-style puzzle, introduced nine years ago by peter365. To quote him:
"The setter gives three clues to objects, places, people, etc. that have a connection. Your mission is to identify them and provide the connection."


What connects:

-an ugly but amusing fellow,
-a few parting words,
-and someone who both was and was not caught?
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Postby Earnest » Sun Aug 27, 2017 1:50 pm

so our aim is to find one or more objects? places? people? A movie? a book? If so, one? two? three? four? more than five? and each clue corresponds to one of the objects/places/people? Or do we need just to find out the connection?


an ugly but amusing fellow--> is the fellow a woman or a man? someone who falls in love with him/her? is a love story relevant?

parting words--> a person which says goodbye to another person? A person which says goodbye to an animal? is the fellow of point 1 related to those parting words? a goodbye? a departure? someone who dies? voluntarily? a suicide? a transfer in another country? A love story which ended? a long journey? a war?

caught = arrested? for having done something illegal? who was caught while doing something?
someone who both was and was not caught--> "someone" = the fellow? is "caught" here used in the same sense? with the same significance? by the same person/institution?
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Postby Westing1992 » Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:46 pm

For the third: Were they caught, and then not caught in a different instance? Or was it a case of mistaken identity?
WAG: Is a Tale of Two Cities relevant?
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Postby Balin » Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:34 am

so our aim is to find one or more objects? places? people? A movie? a book? If so, one? two? three? four? more than five? and each clue corresponds to one of the objects/places/people? Or do we need just to find out the connection? Each clue will lead to one something (could be any of the things you listed), and you need to find a connection between the three somethings.

For example, the clues could be:
-a fond goodbye,
-bridge parts,
-and both feet and shoes.


In this case, the answers would be:
-cheerio,
-tricks
(referring to "bridge" the card game),
-and lucky charms (rabbits' foot, horseshoe).

All of which are breakfast cereals (Cheerios, Trix, Lucky Charms).


an ugly but amusing fellow--> is the fellow a woman or a man? A man someone who falls in love with him/her? See next is a love story relevant? Yope

parting words--> a person which says goodbye to another person? No A person which says goodbye to an animal? No is the fellow of point 1 related to those parting words? No; each clue is independent a goodbye? In a way a departure? In a way someone who dies? This is relevant voluntarily? Possibly a suicide?Possibly a transfer in another country? A love story which ended? a long journey? a war? No to these

caught = arrested? Yope for having done something illegal? Yes who was caught while doing something? Yes
someone who both was and was not caught--> "someone" = the fellow? Not the fellow from Clue 1; again, each clue is independent is "caught" here used in the same sense? Yes with the same significance? Yes by the same person/institution? No

For the third: Were they caught, and then not caught in a different instance? No Or was it a case of mistaken identity? No
WAG: Is a Tale of Two Cities relevant? No, but don't fear WAGs
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Postby Earnest » Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:05 am

an ugly but amusing fellow--> is it relevant that he is a fellow or could be any man? or is it an english expression so to say someone is ugly but amusing?

parting words--> mostly used in writings (e.g. sincerely yours, best regards/best wishes...)? or in speeches? Is it a common expression? a religious one (e.g. Blessed be, in Christ, god bless you,...)?

and someone who both was and was not caught--> at the same time? is it a name of someone famous? someone who was arrested but not imprisoned? someone who was caught while doing a crime but not arrested? someone in trap? A fugitive? Absconder? someone "at large"?
someone who was caught by something like a disease but was not arrested?
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Postby peter365 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:36 pm

Nice to see a connections puzzle , but then I would say that wouldn't I.

Ugly but amusing fellow - A specific man? or a generic term like clown? If a specific man - fictional?

Are last words relevant?

Any relevant sports?
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Postby Balin » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:02 pm

Nice to see a connections puzzle , but then I would say that wouldn't I. Thought you might appreciate it.

Ugly but amusing fellow - A specific man? Yes or a generic term like clown?
If a specific man - fictional? Yes

Are last words relevant? No (sorry)

Any relevant sports? Not to any of the clues
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Postby Earnest » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:08 pm

missed mine xD
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Postby Balin » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:31 pm

missed mine xD Sorry! I've got them now.

an ugly but amusing fellow--> is it relevant that he is a fellow or could be any man? Yes, because he is a specific person or is it an english expression so to say someone is ugly but amusing? No

parting words--> mostly used in writings (e.g. sincerely yours, best regards/best wishes...)? or in speeches? Neither Is it a common expression? No, possible FA a religious one (e.g. Blessed be, in Christ, god bless you,...)? It can be

and someone who both was and was not caught--> at the same time? Yope is it a name of someone famous? Yes someone who was arrested but not imprisoned? someone who was caught while doing a crime but not arrested? This someone in trap? A fugitive? Absconder? someone "at large"? someone who was caught by something like a disease but was not arrested? No to rest
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Postby Earnest » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:13 pm

ugly but amusing fellow --> is it a quote from a series? "How I met your mother"? Sonethibg like that?

and someone who both was and was not caught-->he/she was caught on cameras? Or by witnesses? Is a singer? A star of sport? A tv star? An actor? A man? A woman? He/she was caught while stealing? While taking drugs? A fraud?

Parting words --> mostly used by common people? Originally created by a movie? E.g. may the force be with you...
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Postby Westing1992 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:48 pm

Is there a double meaning for the word "parting"? For example, the head being "parted" from the body via beheading? (I've still got Two Cities on the brain...) Parting the hair? "Gesundheit" for after a sneeze?

Was the 1st fellow real? Fictional? Amusing to people he met? Amusing to audiences who read about him (ex. the Phantom of the Opera)? Cyrano de Bergerac?

Was the 3rd someone real? Fictional?
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Postby Balin » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:51 pm

ugly but amusing fellow --> is it a quote from a series? No "How I met your mother"? No Sonethibg like that? No

and someone who both was and was not caught-->he/she was caught on cameras? Or by witnesses? This
Is a singer? A star of sport? A tv star? An actor? None of these
A man? This A woman?
He/she was caught while stealing? While taking drugs? A fraud? None of these

Parting words --> mostly used by common people? Yes, but used equally as often by celebrities Originally created by a movie? No, FA E.g. may the force be with you...No

Is there a double meaning for the word "parting"? Not really, but I also like these guesses For example, the head being "parted" from the body via beheading? (I've still got Two Cities on the brain...) Parting the hair? "Gesundheit" for after a sneeze?

Was the 1st fellow real? Fictional? This
Amusing to people he met? To one particular person Amusing to audiences who read about him (ex. the Phantom of the Opera)? Not relevantly Cyrano de Bergerac? No

Was the 3rd someone real? This Fictional?
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Postby Westing1992 » Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:27 am

Is the FA about the parting words that they're a single phrase (ex. good-bye) when really it's more conceptual (ex. good-bye, see ya, ciao, etc.)? Wills relevant? Tombstones?

Was the 3rd person not caught because he fled? Because he went out fighting? Because of a miscarriage of justice?
Caught... killing (or assaulting)? In a sexual activity? Cheating? Vandalizing?

Is the amusing fellow romantically involved/interested in the one particular person?
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Postby Balin » Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:49 pm

Is the FA about the parting words that they're a single phrase (ex. good-bye) when really it's more conceptual (ex. good-bye, see ya, ciao, etc.)? Yes, the FA is that it is a specific phrase Wills relevant? No Tombstones? Yes

Was the 3rd person not caught because he fled? Because he went out fighting? Because of a miscarriage of justice? None of these
Caught... killing (or assaulting)? In a sexual activity? Cheating? Vandalizing? None of these

Is the amusing fellow romantically involved/interested in the one particular person? Indeed, I believe so
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Re: [Balin] Infernal nonsense (connections)

Postby peter365 » Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:24 pm

Are obituaries relevant?
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Postby Balin » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:36 pm

Are obituaries relevant? No
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Postby peter365 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:50 pm

Anything Shakespeare related?
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Postby Earnest » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:29 pm

classic one for parting words on tombstones...rest in peace? are the words famous? on a famous tombstone? Or commonly adopted like: in memory of..., you'll always be in our hearts?

crime = murder? sexual abuses? Relevant the reason why he wasn't arrested? Did he pay a fine? Did he die before being arrested? Did he die while committing the crime? was there a legal technicality? Was him recognized as a criminal? were the witnesses his accomplices? if not did they witness against him? was him processed? If so was the process seen in all televisions? Did it happen in the last 10 years? 5 years? 30 years? 50 years? 00 years? more?
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Postby Balin » Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:04 pm

Anything Shakespeare related? No, at least not intentionally

classic one for parting words on tombstones...rest in peace? Possibly are the words famous? FA on a famous tombstone? On most tombstones Or commonly adopted like: in memory of..., you'll always be in our hearts? Could be

crime = murder? sexual abuses? Neither
Relevant the reason why he wasn't arrested? No
Did he pay a fine? Did he die before being arrested? Did he die while committing the crime? was there a legal technicality? No to all
Was him recognized as a criminal? Depending on the meaning of the question, NO. Explore!
were the witnesses his accomplices? if not did they witness against him? was him processed? If so was the process seen in all televisions? No to all
Did it happen in the last 10 years? 5 years? 30 years? 50 years? 00 years? more? Over 100 years ago
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Postby peter365 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:03 am

So are we talking about an Epitaph or an epithet?
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Postby Balin » Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:13 pm

So are we talking about an Epitaph or an epithet? Epitaph is correct, and that ends the first link
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Postby peter365 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:42 pm

So the guy who committed the crime but wasn't punished, was the crime subjective like Treason? Dereliction of duty? Any relevant wars?
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Postby Balin » Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:29 pm

So the guy who committed the crime but wasn't punished, was the crime subjective like Treason? Dereliction of duty? Neither of these but you've got the right idea Any relevant wars? Yes
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Postby peter365 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:17 pm

WWI relevant ? An earlier conflict?

Was he caught spying ? disobeying an order? Was he a civilian or in the military?
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Postby Balin » Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:13 pm

WWI relevant? No An earlier conflict? Yes

Was he caught spying? disobeying an order? Neither Was he a civilian or in the military? I believe at the time he was a civilian; he was later in the military
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Postby peter365 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:35 am

Not wanting to invoke the LTPF list of pre WWI wars I'll guess a few.. Boer War? Crimea? US Civil War? Russia/Japan? Franco/ Prussian?
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Postby Balin » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:05 pm

Not wanting to invoke the LTPF list of pre WWI wars I'll guess a few.. Boer War? Crimea? US Civil War? Russia/Japan? Franco/ Prussian? Nice list, but none of these
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Re: [Balin] Infernal nonsense (connections)

Postby Balin » Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:49 pm

HINT: For the person "who was both caught and not caught," the war took place in the 1700s.
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Postby peter365 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:31 pm

The American Revolution ?
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Postby Balin » Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:21 pm

The American Revolution? Yes
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Postby Westing1992 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:40 pm

George Washington? Nathan Hale? Benedict Arnold?

Was the ugly fellow Quasimodo?
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Postby Balin » Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:17 pm

George Washington? Nathan Hale? Benedict Arnold? Good guesses, but none of them

Was the ugly fellow Quasimodo? No
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Postby trebor » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:52 am

Paul Revere?

The fictional character - from a literary source? Is he from the 21st century? 20th? 19th? 18th? Earlier? Is he a cartoon character? Comic strip/graphic novel character? A character from a song? From a religious text? From a movie? Is the fictional character an American creation? Does he have a relevant profession? Is he a H?A?
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Postby Balin » Sun Sep 17, 2017 1:44 am

Paul Revere? Yes, and this connection is finished. (During his famous ride, he was stopped by British officers, thus "caught," but in Longfellow's poem he is not caught.)

The fictional character - from a literary source? A book? No
Is he from the 21st century? 20th? This 19th? 18th? Earlier?
Is he a cartoon character? Comic strip/graphic novel character? A character from a song? This From a religious text? From a movie? Not originally, but the song has been sung in movies
Is the fictional character an American creation? Yes Does he have a relevant profession? No Is he a H?A? Yes, H/A/M
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Postby Hobbsicle » Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:24 am

Is the name of this character specifically mentioned in the song? Or a nickname?
Is the song a pop song? A song from a musical? A children's song?

WAG: "Funny Face"?
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Postby Balin » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:16 am

Is the name of this character specifically mentioned in the song? Yes Or a nickname?
Is the song a pop song? A song from a musical? This A children's song?

WAG: "Funny Face"? No
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Postby trebor » Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:27 pm

Is the musical from before 1950? Is it from the 50s? 60s? 70s? 80s? 90s? Is it a Sondheim musical? Is it by Rodgers & Hammerstein? Irving Berlin? Rodgers and Hart? Lerner and Loewe? Webber? Menken? Schwartz?
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Postby Balin » Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:03 pm

Is the musical from before 1950? Yes Is it from the 50s? 60s? 70s? 80s? 90s?
Is it a Sondheim musical? Is it by Rodgers & Hammerstein? Irving Berlin? Rodgers and Hart? This Lerner and Loewe? Webber? Menken? Schwartz?
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Postby trebor » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:53 am

Is he Valentine from "My Funny Valentine"?
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Postby Balin » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:07 pm

Is he Valentine from "My Funny Valentine"? Yes.

You now have all three connections. What is the link between them?
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Postby peter365 » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:07 am

So just to clarify the three items that are connected are :

Epitaph
Paul Revere
Valentine

I take it that it's not as simple as an expression or feeling of admiration?
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Postby Balin » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:50 am

So just to clarify the three items that are connected are :

Epitaph
Paul Revere
Valentine
This is correct

I take it that it's not as simple as an expression or feeling of admiration? No, not that
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Postby trebor » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:07 pm

Are Paul Revere and the Raiders relevant? Is the connection to do with arts/entertainment? Science? History? A commonly-purchased good? Health care? Is the connection something tangible? Are hearts relevant? Cards?
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Postby peter365 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:29 am

Is one particular epitaph relevant?

There are some famous and really brilliant ones. Lester Moore's in Tombstone has always been a personal favourite of mine 'Here lies Lester Moore , 4 slugs from a 44, No Les no more'
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Postby Westing1992 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:05 pm

The phrase "One if by land, two if by sea" or "The British/redcoats are coming" relevant?
Revere's occupation as a silversmith and engraver relevant?
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Postby Balin » Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:46 pm

Is one particular epitaph relevant? No

There are some famous and really brilliant ones. Lester Moore's in Tombstone has always been a personal favourite of mine 'Here lies Lester Moore , 4 slugs from a 44, No Les no more' Brilliant.

The phrase "One if by land, two if by sea" or "The British/redcoats are coming" relevant? No
Revere's occupation as a silversmith and engraver relevant? No
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Postby trebor » Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:22 pm

I think you missed my questions.
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Postby Balin » Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:24 pm

I think you missed my questions. Sorry. Got them now.

Are Paul Revere and the Raiders relevant? No
Is the connection to do with arts/entertainment? This Science? History? A commonly-purchased good? Health care?
Is the connection something tangible? No/Yope, see above
Are hearts relevant? Cards? Neither
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Postby Acridian9 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:35 pm

Is the connection a painting? sculpture? poem? something else art related?
Is it a book? film? TV show? theatre's play? musical? ballet? other exibition?
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Postby Balin » Sat Sep 23, 2017 12:13 pm

Is the connection a painting? sculpture? poem? something else art related? Is it a book? film? TV show? theatre's play? musical? This, specifically a single song from a musical ballet? other exibition?
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Re: [Balin] Infernal nonsense (connections)

Postby trebor » Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:49 pm

Is the connection a song from Babes In Arms? Is it My Funny Valentine itself? Is it by the same composers?
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Postby Balin » Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:08 pm

Is the connection a song from Babes In Arms? Is it My Funny Valentine itself? Is it by the same composers? No to all - furthermore, it is not by any of the composers mentioned earlier
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Re: [Balin] Infernal nonsense (connections)

Postby trebor » Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:56 am

Is the song from the 2010s? 2000s? 90s? Earlier? Is it from a rock musical? Are the three connection things directly referenced in the song? Do they all share a connection with something else mentioned in the song?
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Postby Balin » Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:15 pm

Is the song from the 2010s? 2000s? 90s? Earlier? Earlier
Is it from a rock musical? No
Are the three connection things directly referenced in the song? Yes, with a mild -ish Do they all share a connection with something else mentioned in the song? No
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Re: [Balin] Infernal nonsense (connections)

Postby Balin » Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:59 am

HINT: This was my homage to the very first connections puzzle.
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Re: [Balin] Infernal nonsense (connections)

Postby trebor » Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:47 pm

Going off of what I believe to be the first connections puzzle, is horse racing relevant? Are comics/graphic novels relevant? Uh, does Dan Rather play into this? Is there undiscovered wordplay in the puzzle statement (yours, not peter 365s)? Is midnight relevant?
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Re: [Balin] Infernal nonsense (connections)

Postby peter365 » Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:11 am

Trebor has it, they're three racehorses mentioned in a song by Sinatra (I think) . I don't want to cheat and look up the name. Wasn't aware that this was from a musical.

I'm very flattered by the way, so thank you.
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Re: [Balin] Infernal nonsense (connections)

Postby Balin » Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:23 pm

Going off of what I believe to be the first connections puzzle, is horse racing relevant? Yes, see below Are comics/graphic novels relevant? Uh, does Dan Rather play into this? Is there undiscovered wordplay in the puzzle statement (yours, not peter 365s)? Is midnight relevant? No to rest

Trebor has it, they're three racehorses mentioned in a song by Sinatra (I think). I don't want to cheat and look up the name. Wasn't aware that this was from a musical. This is correct.

I'm very flattered by the way, so thank you. You're welcome - glad you liked it.

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An ugly but amusing fellow - Valentine ("My Funny Valentine" - "his looks are laughable, unphotographable")
A few parting words - Epitaph (on a tombstone)
Someone who both was and was not caught - Paul Revere (stopped by British soldiers during his "midnight ride," but was not stopped in Longfellow's poem)

Those are the three horses in "Fugue for Tinhorns," from the musical Guys and Dolls.

Nicely (ahem) done.
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