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[Balin] Bright and early

Postby Balin » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:43 am

A man walks downstairs and sees a dozen scraps of paper on the floor. This makes him very happy. Why?
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:57 am

Is the nature of the building relevant? Is he at home? At work? Some public place?

Did he expect to find paper? More paper? Less paper? Is the fact that there were a dozen relevant? Were the scraps of paper formerly a calendar, horoscopes page, or anything else concerning a multiple of 12 of something?

Is there anything relevantly written or drawn on the scraps of paper? If so, was it he who wrote/drew the initial things?
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Balin » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:08 am

Is the nature of the building relevant? Yes Is he at home? Yes At work? Some public place?

Did he expect to find paper? No More paper? Less paper? Is the fact that there were a dozen relevant? That there were exactly a dozen, No Were the scraps of paper formerly a calendar, horoscopes page, or anything else concerning a multiple of 12 of something? No

Is there anything relevantly written or drawn on the scraps of paper? Yes If so, was it he who wrote/drew the initial things? No
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:13 am

Is he still within the building when he goes downstairs? Does he go down to his basement? To the ground floor from an upper floor? Is there anything unusual about his house? Does he live in a lighthouse? Are the scraps of paper drafts of the suicide note from the last lighthouse keeper who switched off the light before going to bed and killed hundreds of people (I like to think Lateral Puzzles don't exist in a vacuum)?

Are the scraps of paper torn-up bits of a prior whole, or were they all created independently? Are they draft copies of something? Were they left there by him? A family member? A friend? A stranger?
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Balin » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:29 am

Is he still within the building when he goes downstairs? Yes Does he go down to his basement? No To the ground floor from an upper floor? Yes Is there anything unusual about his house? No Does he live in a lighthouse? No Are the scraps of paper drafts of the suicide note from the last lighthouse keeper who switched off the light before going to bed and killed hundreds of people (I like to think Lateral Puzzles don't exist in a vacuum)? They most certainly do not, but that is unfortunately not the answer.

Are the scraps of paper torn-up bits of a prior whole, or were they all created independently? The latter, if I understood correctly Are they draft copies of something? No
Were they left there by him? A family member? This A friend? A stranger?
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:31 am

Are they from his spouse? A child? Is the room he has walked into relevant? If so; a child's bedroom? The kitchen? Living room? Laundry? Bathroom/toilet?

Is he affirmed in some way by what is written/drawn on the paper? Do they allay a fear of his? Does what is written/drawn concern him? Is it addressed to him?
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Balin » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:40 am

Are they from his spouse? No A child? No
Is the room he has walked into relevant? Yope If so; a child's bedroom? The kitchen? Living room? Laundry? Bathroom/toilet? None of these

Is he affirmed in some way by what is written/drawn on the paper? No Do they allay a fear of his? No Does what is written/drawn concern him? No Is it addressed to him? Yope
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Earnest » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:01 am

So...he inmediately recognised the scraps of papers? Were the scraps part of the same piece of paper/document/letter/photocpy? Is it relevant that he was going downstairs? If so, because he saw them fron the above? Just because of that?

Is he happy because they were in scraps? Was the family member present when he saw the scraps? Supposing that the scraps if put together form a meaningful paper...was the paper formed by the scraps something which needed to be signed? Which needed to be brought intact to a certain place to be valid? E.g. a transfer request...

To be sure...can we suppose that being in scraps means destroyed and that the man was happy because the original paper has been destroyed? If so was him happy because of the destructionof that paper or because the paper (which could be also another one) has been destroyed with a certain item? With hands?

Little WAG...the family member could not use his hands correctly but the fact that she/he was able to destroy the paper in scraps witnessed she/he has been cured?
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Balin » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:03 pm

So...he inmediately recognised the scraps of papers? Yope Were the scraps part of the same piece of paper/document/letter/photocpy? No, but... Is it relevant that he was going downstairs? Somewhat If so, because he saw them fron the above? No Just because of that?

Is he happy because they were in scraps? Indirectly Was the family member present when he saw the scraps? No Supposing that the scraps if put together form a meaningful paper No, so No to following ...was the paper formed by the scraps something which needed to be signed? Which needed to be brought intact to a certain place to be valid? E.g. a transfer request...

To be sure...can we suppose that being in scraps means destroyed In a sense and that the man was happy because the original paper has been destroyed? No If so was him happy because of the destruction of that paper No or because the paper (which could be also another one) has been destroyed with a certain item? No With hands?

Little WAG...the family member could not use his hands correctly but the fact that she/he was able to destroy the paper in scraps witnessed she/he has been cured? No, but not a bad guess
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Earnest » Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:55 pm

Paper = same kind of paper? E.g. the scraps came from different newspapers? Did they talk of the same subject? Were they relevantly colored? Were there pictures?
Scraps of newspapers? Of postcards? Of money? Of stamps? Of official documents?

Scraps = cut with scissors? Ripped? Relevant?
First of all...they were put voluntarily on the floor right? If so, were they randomly put on the floor? Does the fact that those scraps were on the floor indicate something to him? Is it relevant that there were dozen of them? Could it all work with just a scrap?

Did he go downstairs in his house? From a room of his house to another room of his house using the stairs? To be sure scraps on the floor = on the floor of the room downstairs? On the stairs? On a particular part of the floor? A broken one for instance? Was there sonething lying on the floor and the scraps were on it?

Were the scraps used somehow in a different manner as their original intent (=to be read)?

Was it a surprise for the man? was it his birthday? Did the someone who made the scraps expect that he see them? If so, in the moment in which he saw them?
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Balin » Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:35 pm

Paper = same kind of paper? Yes E.g. the scraps came from different newspapers? But not this Did they talk of the same subject? Yope Were they relevantly colored? Yes (it is relevant that they were colorful; it is not relevant what color they were) Were there pictures? On some of the scraps
Scraps of newspapers? Of postcards? Of money? Of stamps? Of official documents? None of these

Scraps = cut with scissors? This Ripped? Relevant? Yes
First of all...they were put voluntarily on the floor right? Yes If so, were they randomly put on the floor? No Does the fact that those scraps were on the floor indicate something to him? Yes Is it relevant that there were dozen of them? No, as mentioned in the very first set of answers Could it all work with just a scrap? Unlikely

Did he go downstairs in his house? Yes From a room of his house to another room of his house using the stairs? Yes To be sure scraps on the floor = on the floor of the room downstairs? Yes On the stairs? No On a particular part of the floor? Yesish A broken one for instance? No Was there sonething lying on the floor and the scraps were on it? Yope/Noish

Were the scraps used somehow in a different manner as their original intent (=to be read)? No

Was it a surprise for the man? Yesish was it his birthday? No Did the someone who made the scraps expect that he see them? Yes If so, in the moment in which he saw them? Yes
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Earnest » Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:50 pm

Were they cut in squares? Rectangles? Circles? Indefinite shape? Each of the scrap had a different shape from the other? Relevant? Were them little? greater than the pieces of a mosaic?
Could the scraps be stucked one to another?

Is the fact that they were cut with scissors relevant in that it indicates that to cut them it is necessary to be precise? Had glue been used somehow?
Were the scraps just leaning on the floor for a short term? Long term? Permanently?

So...on sone of the papers there were just writings, in other just pictures and in others both writing and pictures? Writings = printed? Made by the "someone"? With a pen? Maps relevant?

Floor = wood flooring? With tiles (e.g. with little holes between a tile and another)? Relevant?

Paper of the scraps = cardboard? Scroll? Toilet paper? Normal paper used to draw?
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Balin » Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:41 pm

Were they cut in squares? Rectangles? Circles? Indefinite shape? Mostly irregular shapes, but some squares/rectangles Each of the scrap had a different shape from the other? Yes Relevant? It may help in identifying the type of paper Were them little? Yes, but they weren't tiny greater than the pieces of a mosaic? Yes
Could the scraps be stucked one to another? Yes/Yope

Is the fact that they were cut with scissors relevant in that it indicates that to cut them it is necessary to be precise? No Had glue been used somehow? Not glue, but...
Were the scraps just leaning on the floor for a short term? This, FA Long term? Permanently?

So...on sone of the papers there were just writings, in other just pictures and in others both writing and pictures? Yes Writings = printed? Yes Made by the "someone"? With a pen? Maps relevant? No to these

Floor = wood flooring? With tiles (e.g. with little holes between a tile and another)? Relevant? Type of flooring doesn't matter; assume wood

Paper of the scraps = cardboard? Scroll? Toilet paper? Normal paper used to draw? None of these
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Earnest » Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:10 pm

Ok so they were not leaning on the floor right?
Did they form all together a miniature? A little building? A model? Were the pieces of paper combined together? Sticked together?
Did they "cover" something (e.g. there was an object on the floor and the scraps of paper "colored" the object?) ?

Did the man and the someone want to color something? Is the paper the paper used for billboards? A specific paper with specific images? A paper which the someone looked for in a library? On the street? In a normal shop where that type of paper is usually sold?
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Balin » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:27 am

Ok so they were not leaning on the floor right? Right, that clears that FA
Did they form all together a miniature? A little building? A model? No to these Were the pieces of paper combined together? Yes, in a way Sticked together? Yes
Did they "cover" something (e.g. there was an object on the floor and the scraps of paper "colored" the object?) ? In a way, Yes, but I would not use the word "cover"

Did the man and the someone want to color something? No
Is the paper the paper used for billboards? No A specific paper with specific images? Yes (well, different types of this paper that have different images on them) A paper which the someone looked for in a library? No On the street? No In a normal shop where that type of paper is usually sold? Yes
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Earnest » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:11 am

Wallpapers? Wrapping paper? Pictures? Photographs? Posters? Puzzle pieces? Money? Cards?
Is the paper when bought to the shop already printed? Meant to be cut in scraps? Is it sold in packages? In sheets? In meters (e.g. x meters of papers = n dollars)? Did the someone buy the paper to do specifically what he did (cut it in scraps and stuck them) and show it to the man? Had the papers a different use before having been cut and stucked together? Are the scraps laminated?

Were the stucked scraps sustained by something? Is the paper printed on both sides? Just on one side? Relevant? If both sides were printed, were them both printed with images and writings? If not, was one side more relevant than the other? The one with images and writings? Was it reassembled in a specific way?

Not glue but...= a collagen? A gluey subastance? Is it relevant just because it stucks the pieces together? Or also because it stucks the pieces to a relevant object? If the latter...was it the only way to color the object?

Printed = with many words? With big letters? If so, were the letters reassembled? With sentences of understandable meaning?

Wag were them signed photos from famous people?
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Postby Balin » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:24 pm

Wallpapers? Wrapping paper? This Pictures? Photographs? Posters? Puzzle pieces? Money? Cards?
Is the paper when bought to the shop already printed? See above Meant to be cut in scraps? See above Is it sold in packages? In sheets? In meters (e.g. x meters of papers = n dollars)? See above Did the someone buy the paper to do specifically what he did Yes (cut it in scraps and stuck them) Yope and show it to the man? Yes/Yope Had the papers a different use before having been cut and stucked together? Noish/Yope Are the scraps laminated? No

Were the stucked scraps sustained by something? I don't understand Is the paper printed on both sides? Just on one side? Relevant? See above If both sides were printed, were them both printed with images and writings? If not, was one side more relevant than the other? The one with images and writings? See above Was it reassembled in a specific way? Yope

Not glue but...= a collagen? No A gluey subastance? No Is it relevant just because it stucks the pieces together? Yes Or also because it stucks the pieces to a relevant object? Not "to" If the latter...was it the only way to color the object? No

Printed = with many words? No With big letters? No If so, were the letters reassembled? With sentences of understandable meaning?

Wag were them signed photos from famous people? No
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby WiZ » Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:49 pm

Were the scraps evidence of (a) present(s) having been unwrapped? Did he wrap them? Had he hidden them? Deliberately left them for someone to find? Is it Christmas wrap? Is Santa indicted in this puzzle somehow?
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Balin » Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:07 am

Were the scraps evidence of (a) present(s) having been unwrapped? No Did he wrap them? Yes (but only one) Had he hidden them? No Deliberately left them for someone to find? Yes (but only one) Is it Christmas wrap? Yes (the "early" in the title because it is early November, which is in my opinion too early for all the Christmas decor to be out, including puzzles) Is Santa indicted in this puzzle somehow? No
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Earnest » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:58 pm

...well...is that a gift?
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Balin » Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:32 pm

...well...is that a gift? Yes
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Balin » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:20 pm

RECAP:

The dozen scraps of paper are wrapping paper, wrapped around a Christmas present. The present is from a relative of the man.
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Balin » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:49 pm

HINT: There is more to it than "he is happy because he has received a present." How does the man know who it is from, and why does that knowledge make him happy?
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Earnest » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:06 pm

Is it drom his wife? Is it a gift for him? For the baby they were going to have?
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Balin » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:20 am

Is it from his wife? No Is it a gift for him? Yes For the baby they were going to have? No, but this is a clever guess
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Earnest » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:27 am

so...relevant what was on the paper? A thing I don't understand: did he unwrap (or wrap as WiZ said) the present? are there more than one present?

Did he know who gave him the gift because of a card? Because the someone was present? Because of a phone call he received? By the present itself? the shape of the present that he recognized? The fact that there were more than one present?

Relative = someone who lives with the man? Wife? Children? Mum? Dad? Brother? Sister? Cousins? Aunt?
Someone who lives abroad?

Was there a card? Relevant pictures on the wrapping card? Was the present from another country? Was the gift meant to be a christmas gift for the man? For the next Christmas or for the past Christmas? E.g. there were two presents: he knew that last year transport agencies had problems delivering packages so that from the fact that there were two gifts (one is a present for the past Christmas and the other one for the next Christmas) he deduced that the two were send by the same person?
Is a Christmas Carol relevant (past Christmas, present Christmas an future Christmas)?
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Balin » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:40 pm

so...relevant what was on the paper? No, only that it is different pieces of wrapping paper A thing I don't understand: did he unwrap (or wrap as WiZ said) the present? No; he becomes happy before he reaches the present (he does presumably unwrap it at Christmas, but this takes place just before Christmas) are there more than one present? No

Did he know who gave him the gift because of a card? Because the someone was present? Because of a phone call he received? By the present itself? This, No to rest the shape of the present that he recognized? The fact that there were more than one present? (there was only one present)

Relative = someone who lives with the man? No Wife? Children? Mum? Dad? This Brother? Sister? Cousins? Aunt?
Someone who lives abroad? No

Was there a card? Irrel Relevant pictures on the wrapping card? No Was the present from another country? No Was the gift meant to be a christmas gift for the man? No For the next Christmas or for the past Christmas? The next Christmas
E.g. there were two presents: he knew that last year transport agencies had problems delivering packages so that from the fact that there were two gifts (one is a present for the past Christmas and the other one for the next Christmas) he deduced that the two were send by the same person? No, and there is only one present
Is a Christmas Carol relevant (past Christmas, present Christmas an future Christmas)? No
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Earnest » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:49 pm

ok so only one present in a wrapping card composed by different pieces of wrapping cards put together and the gift was given before Christmas right?

Is it relevant that it has been given before Christmas even though it was meant to be a Christmas gift?
Had his dad made him a gift for Christmas for the first time after years? Could his father afford to make him a gift? Was his father ill in an assisted living facility and did it as part of an activity organized there?
Did his father belong to another religion which doesn't allow for christmas gifts?
Did he immediately recognize that it was his father's gift because of the wrapped card?
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Balin » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:16 pm

ok so only one present in a wrapping card composed by different pieces of wrapping cards put together and the gift was given before Christmas right? Yes

Is it relevant that it has been given before Christmas even though it was meant to be a Christmas gift? No
Had his dad made him a gift for Christmas for the first time after years? No Could his father afford to make him a gift? Yes Was his father ill Yes in an assisted living facility No and did it as part of an activity organized there? No
Did his father belong to another religion which doesn't allow for christmas gifts? No
Did he immediately recognize that it was his father's gift because of the wrapped card? Yes
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Earnest » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:19 pm

Was his father ill by parkinson or something that didn't allow him to wrap a gift properly so that he wasn't unable to wrap it in a uniform and unique composition? I mean...the pieces of wrap were somehow failed "attempts" of his father to package the gift properly?

Or are the pieces somehow a sign of the improvement of his illness?
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early

Postby Balin » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:35 am

Was his father ill by parkinson or something that didn't allow him to wrap a gift properly so that he wasn't unable to wrap it in a uniform and unique composition? No I mean...the pieces of wrap were somehow failed "attempts" of his father to package the gift properly? No

Or are the pieces somehow a sign of the improvement of his illness? This is pretty much it.

****SPOILER****

The man's father is very frugal, and would always use the scraps left over from everyone else's wrapping paper to wrap his own presents. Lately, the father has been showing signs of Alzheimer's, and the man is worried about his dad. But when he walks downstairs and sees a present that has obviously been wrapped by his father, he smiles because he knows the father is still sane enough to remember to give him a Christmas gift.

Yes, I know it's early for a Christmas puzzle (hence the title).
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early (*WRAPPED UP*)

Postby Earnest » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:29 am

Well done Balin!
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Re: [Balin] Bright and early (*WRAPPED UP*)

Postby peter365 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:59 am

Nice one
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