[IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

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[IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby irishelk » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:46 pm

You miscfam in two steps. You do not know it when Step One has happened. Step One can happen days, months or years before Step Two. Step Two might never come, in which case one has semi-miscfamed.

When I complete a miscfaming, I suppose I should feel good, though typically I am a little embarrassed.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby Balin » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:49 pm

Would other people who complete this feel good? Feel embarrassed?
Can you miscfam more than once in your life?
Is it possible for Step One to never come at all?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby Enjay » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:54 pm

If someone has semi-miscfamed, presumably they would not know it? Would anyone else be able to know? Would it be possible to establish in any way whether Step One has happened to someone before Step Two happens?

Would you know it when Step Two happens? Once Step Two happens, would one retrospectively be able to identify when Step One happened?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby trebor » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:25 pm

Does miscfaming require more than one person? If yes, at the first stage? The second? Are any relevant objects used? During the first stage? The second?When one completes a miscfam would one typically remember completing the first step? Is miscfaming primarily a physical activity? An intellectual one? An emotional one?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby irishelk » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:18 am

Balin

Would other people who complete this feel good? Possibly. Feel embarrassed? Probably.
Can you miscfam more than once in your life? Yes.
Is it possible for Step One to never come at all? Yes.

And if all of you deny ever miscfaming, I'm going to be even more embarrassed / not believe you. :lol:



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If someone has semi-miscfamed, presumably they would not know it? Correct.Would anyone else be able to know? Yes, quite possibly. Would it be possible to establish in any way whether Step One has happened to someone before Step Two happens? Yes.

Would you know it when Step Two happens? Yes. Once Step Two happens, would one retrospectively be able to identify when Step One happened? Yes, in most cases.


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Does miscfaming require more than one person? No. If yes, at the first stage? The second?
Are any relevant objects used? Yes (exactly what the objects are might vary). During the first stage? Yes. The second? Yes. When one completes a miscfam would one typically remember completing the first step? Yes. Is miscfaming primarily a physical activity? DOYD, but I'll say partly. An intellectual one? Yes. An emotional one? Often but not necessarily.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby trebor » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:39 pm

Would an average person complete either of the steps more often than the other throughout their life? Is step one something that is done regularly? Does miscfaming involve reading? Crafting? Photos or photo albums? Cleaning? Assembling something? Is a misunderstanding or miscommunication relevant to miscfaming?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby irishelk » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:42 pm

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Would an average person complete either of the steps more often than the other throughout their life? I imagine some people are more likely to do it that others, especially Step One. Is step one something that is done regularly? Not the exact circumstances of Step One, but it does involve a common activity. Does miscfaming involve reading? Crafting? Photos or photo albums? Cleaning? Assembling something? No to all.
Is a misunderstanding or miscommunication relevant to miscfaming? YES, definitely misunderstanding. In a vague sense it is also a miscommunication.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:26 pm

Once a person completes Step One, is Step Two inevitable?
Does a person who has completed Step One realize that they can complete Step Two?
When Step One is completed, is a person's life made easier? More difficult? No change?
Same q's for Step Two.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby irishelk » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:00 pm

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Once a person completes Step One, is Step Two inevitable? No.
Does a person who has completed Step One realize that they can complete Step Two? Noish--they know they can perform the action, but aren't aware of Step One or Step Two occurring.
When Step One is completed, is a person's life made easier? More difficult? No change? This.
Same q's for Step Two. Largely no change, a few specific things might be easier.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby Balin » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:45 pm

Does Step Two involve realizing there was a miscommunication? Correctly understanding something?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby irishelk » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:57 am

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Does Step Two involve realizing there was a miscommunication? Or at least a misunderstanding, yes. Correctly understanding something? Yes.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby biograd » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:15 pm

From the last two answers, I presume that Step Two involves interacting somehow with the world in addition to the realization? (because it is not really possible to "know you can perform the action of realizing something" without having already realized it)

Assuming that is true, does it involve asking a person a question? looking up a fact?

Is the relevant misunderstanding between the "miscfamer" and another person? over some words that were said?
Or, does it relate to a sensory observation made "solo" by the "miscfamer" (e.g. seeing something and drawing a conclusion from that)?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby irishelk » Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:11 pm

biograd

From the last two answers, I presume that Step Two involves interacting somehow with the world in addition to the realization? Yes. (because it is not really possible to "know you can perform the action of realizing something" without having already realized it) Very true!

Assuming that is true, does it involve asking a person a question? No. looking up a fact? No.

Is the relevant misunderstanding between the "miscfamer" and another person? No. over some words that were said? No.
Or, does it relate to a sensory observation made "solo" by the "miscfamer" Exactly. (e.g. seeing something and drawing a conclusion from that)? Yes!
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby trebor » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:35 am

Is the "something" that one sees (from the last round of questions) a household object? Is it the only relevant object to miscfaming?

Does miscfaming involve solving puzzles or riddles? Does it involve the LTPF? If you were to feel better after miscfaming would it be because you had that misunderstanding corrected?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby irishelk » Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:02 pm

trebor

Is the "something" that one sees (from the last round of questions) a household object? I'll say no, though it could be seen in a house. Is it the only relevant object to miscfaming? Yes, and yope to "object."

Does miscfaming involve solving puzzles or riddles? No. Does it involve the LTPF? No. If you were to feel better after miscfaming would it be because you had that misunderstanding corrected? Yes.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby Balin » Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:13 pm

Does Step One involve drawing a conclusion? The right one? The wrong one?
Same questions for Step Two?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby irishelk » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:52 pm

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Does Step One involve drawing a conclusion? In a sense, though I wouldn't quite call it that and the doer of step one certainly wouldn't. The right one? The wrong one? In the sense that it is a conclusion, it is wrong.

Does Step One involve drawing a conclusion? Yes, in part. The right one? This. The wrong one?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby irishelk » Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:32 pm

**************RECAP

Step One involves an everyday activity, during which the miscfamer misunderstands something without realizing it. Other people might be present, but it can also happen when one is alone. Others might realize that Step One has occurred even if the miscfamer doesn't.

Step Two is the realization of the previous misunderstanding, which occurs while the miscfamer is looking at something. It is entirely possible for Step Two to never happen.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby Balin » Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:16 pm

Just a thought - does Step Two happen while the person is looking at their reflection?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby irishelk » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:51 pm

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Just a thought - does Step Two happen while the person is looking at their reflection? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby Enjay » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:26 pm

Does everyone who miscfams have the exact same misunderstanding?

Does everyone who completes step 2 do it in the same way?

Does themisunderstanding concern another person? A physical object?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby irishelk » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:23 pm

Enjay

Does everyone who miscfams have the exact same misunderstanding? No: though the type of error is the same, the details will be different each time.

Does everyone who completes step 2 do it in the same way? Yope. They're doing the same thing, but again, details differ.

Does the misunderstanding concern another person? No. A physical object? Noish--the something can have a physical form, but you wouldn't really call it an object.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby trebor » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:48 am

Is the “object” a living thing? A dead thing? Are pictures/paintings/photographs relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby dukhsan » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:42 pm

If the error doesn't involve someone else necessarily, is it how the person does a daily task, and Step Two is thus seeing that task done correctly by another human, an instruction booklet or graphic, or similar?

Is it eating or preparing food incorrectly? Any of cleaning, preparation, working from home, doing taxes, using a computer or cellphone or video game or television, using an appliance (fan, heater, etc.)? If it doesn't necessarily have a physical form, is it something you can do either digitally or by a more tangible method (e.g. printing out a form or document)? Do you interact with different parts of this something in Step One and Step Two?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby irishelk » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:01 pm

trebor

Is the “object” a living thing? No. A dead thing? No. Are pictures/paintings/photographs relevant? You're so close..


dukhsan

If the error doesn't involve someone else necessarily, is it how the person does a daily task, and Step Two is thus seeing that task done correctly by another human, an instruction booklet or graphic, or similar? No--but you're right that miscfaming might involve watching people (ish) without involving them directly.

Is it eating or preparing food incorrectly? No. Any of cleaning, preparation, working from home, doing taxes, using a computer or cellphone or video game or television, A computer, phone or TV could be involved. using an appliance (fan, heater, etc.)? No to rest. If it doesn't necessarily have a physical form, is it something you can do either digitally or by a more tangible method (e.g. printing out a form or document)? Yesish--it has a tangible and intangible element. Do you interact with different parts of this something in Step One and Step Two? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby trebor » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:41 am

Regarding me being close with photos, is film/TV/video communication relevant? Is watching old home movies relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby MiserableLie » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:16 pm

Is the title relevant? The Usual Suspects is the name of a film and part of a quote from Casablanca. Could step 1 be watching The Usual Suspects and step 2 be watching Casablanca and realising “so that’s where they got that title from”?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby irishelk » Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:35 pm

trebor

Regarding me being close with photos, is film/TV/video communication relevant? Films, yes! It could also work with TV shows. Is watching old home movies relevant? No.


MiserableLie Welcome to the forum!

Is the title relevant? Not in a helpful way, it happens to be a film for which I miscfamed. The Usual Suspects is the name of a film and part of a quote from Casablanca. Could step 1 be watching The Usual Suspects and step 2 be watching Casablanca and realising “so that’s where they got that title from”? No, but great idea!
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby MiserableLie » Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:53 am

irishelk wrote:MiserableLie Welcome to the forum!


Thank you! Have been lurking here for ages, thought I'd finally take part in a puzzle.

To clarify, step one is a misunderstanding someone experiences when watching a film or TV show, correct? Is the misunderstanding related to the plot? Something a character says? The setting? An object/prop? A member of the cast or crew?

Does step two occur when watching the film or TV show again? Does it occur when looking at something related to the film or TV show? Another film or TV show?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby irishelk » Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:11 pm

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Thank you! Have been lurking here for ages, thought I'd finally take part in a puzzle. Awesome!

To clarify, step one is a misunderstanding someone experiences when watching a film or TV show, correct? Yes. Is the misunderstanding related to the plot? Yes. Something a character says? It could be. The setting? An object/prop? A member of the cast or crew? These could be involved to a lesser extent.

Does step two occur when watching the film or TV show again? YES. Does it occur when looking at something related to the film or TV show? It could, but most likely when one watches it again. Another film or TV show? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby dukhsan » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:07 am

Does the second watching expose a flaw or nuance in the plot that the first watching did not notice? Does it have to do with making an incorrect assumption about the plot the first time? Does it involve someone expecting a scary, funny, or dramatic moment during the first watching and being either surprised or underwhelmed by what they get instead?

Is this anything like confusing who the characters are, how to pronounce their names or their actors' names, or knowing who the actor is for a certain character? Can it happen in any TV show/film or only those with a certain peculiarity, genre, length, or another factor?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Usual Suspects

Postby MiserableLie » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:11 pm

Are twist endings relevant? Films with a twist ending are good to watch again because you spot all the little clues the writers drop in earlier in the plot. Sometimes the clues are so blatant you wonder why you didn't spot them the first time around. Am I thinking along the right lines here, or am I getting too distracted by the puzzle’s title?
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