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[WiZ] I can't remember what I initially called this [SOLD!]

Postby WiZ » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:37 pm

A man sets about protecting a valuable asset. He accomplishes this with a small test-pot of paint and a brush. What does he do, and how does it help him?
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Postby kalira » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:47 pm

Not a question, but the issue brought up in your title has been addressed. Thanks.
-- the help
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Postby WiZ » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:00 pm

Great work; thanks, Kalira.
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Postby Enjay » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:06 pm

Is he protecting the asset from theft? Damage? Loss?

Does he use the brush to apply the paint to something? To the asset? Does he write something with the paint? Paint a picture? Paint over something? Mark something?

Does the man own the asset? Is the asset a living thing? Is it valuable in terms of money? Sentimental value? Usefulness?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:34 pm

Is he protecting the asset from theft? yes Damage? Loss? no to these

Does he use the brush to apply the paint to something? yes To the asset? yes Does he write something with the paint? yes Paint a picture? no Paint over something? only in the sense that to paint anything is to paint over it Mark something? yes

Does the man own the asset? yes Is the asset a living thing? no Is it valuable in terms of money? yes Sentimental value? yes Usefulness? yes
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Postby Enjay » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:37 pm

Does he paint something that will mark it as belonging to him? That would make it obvious to others if it had been stolen? Does the marking make it less desirable for someone to steal in the first place?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:39 pm

Does he paint something that will mark it as belonging to him? no That would make it obvious to others if it had been stolen? no Does the marking make it less desirable for someone to steal in the first place? no
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Postby Enjay » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:49 pm

Do the man's actions protect the asset by disguising it? By making it appear less valuable? Is his aim to prevent it being stolen in the first place? To get it back more easily if it is stolen? To identify the thief if it is stolen?

Does the plan require a potential thief to see the markings? Not see the markings?

Does he do anything else relevant with the paint or brush other than mark the asset? Does he paint anything else?

Is the colour of the paint relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:03 pm

Do the man's actions protect the asset by disguising it? no By making it appear less valuable? no Is his aim to prevent it being stolen in the first place? yes To get it back more easily if it is stolen? no To identify the thief if it is stolen? no

Does the plan require a potential thief to see the markings? yes Not see the markings? no

Does he do anything else relevant with the paint or brush other than mark the asset? no Does he paint anything else? no

Is the colour of the paint relevant? no
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:08 am

Doed the protection rely on the potential thief reading the text? Is it one word? Two? More? Is on specific thief relevant? One specific group? Does the text make the item less desirable to steal? Less valuable to steal? Or sell afterwards? More risky to steal? More dishonorable yo steal? More conspicuous?
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Postby Balin » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:24 pm

Is the man disguising the asset as something else? As a replica of itself?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:35 pm

GalFisk

Doed the protection rely on the potential thief reading the text? yes Is it one word? Two? More? this Is on specific thief relevant? no One specific group? yes Does the text make the item less desirable to steal? no Less valuable to steal? no Or sell afterwards? no More risky to steal? yesish More dishonorable yo steal? no More conspicuous? yesish


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Is the man disguising the asset as something else? no As a replica of itself? no
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Postby Balin » Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:35 pm

Is the text a phrase? A sentence? A paragraph?
Does the phrase imply that the item is protected? Alarmed?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:41 pm

Is the text a phrase? yes A sentence? A kind of informal, fragmented one A paragraph? no
Does the phrase imply that the item is protected? yope Alarmed? no
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Postby Balin » Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:57 pm

Does the phrase imply that the item is being watched? Recorded? Immovable?
Is the object ordinarily on display? Indoors? Outdoors?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:20 pm

Does the phrase imply that the item is being watched? no Recorded? no Immovable? noish
Is the object ordinarily on display? yes Indoors? no Outdoors? yes
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Postby Balin » Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:08 am

Is the object a statue? Gnome? Sundial? Lawn jockey?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:51 am

Is the object a statue? Gnome? Sundial? Lawn jockey? None of the above
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Postby Balin » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:55 pm

Is the object man-made? Natural?
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:15 pm

Is the object a sign? Is politics relevant? Do thieves want ti steal the object in order to: use it? Display it? Sell it? Hide it? Destroy it? Throw it away? Give it away? Alter it? Annoy the owner? Force the owner to get another one?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:29 pm

Balin

Is the object man-made? yes Natural? no

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Is the object a sign? no Is politics relevant? no Do thieves want ti steal the object in order to: use it? Display it? Sell it? this Hide it? Destroy it? Throw it away? Give it away? Alter it? Annoy the owner? no to rest Force the owner to get another one? this would be a natural consequence, however
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Postby Balin » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:34 pm

Is the object particularly valuable? Monetarily? Sentimentally?
Is the object one that can be found outside many houses? A mailbox?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:49 pm

Is the object particularly valuable? yes Monetarily? yes Sentimentally? yes
Is the object one that can be found outside many houses? no A mailbox? no

I assume we're using 'object' in the same sense that we initially used 'asset' and 'item'
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Postby Balin » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:52 pm

Hmm... is the asset a single object? A single item?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:07 pm

Hmm... is the asset a single object? I would say yes A single item? Same
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Postby Balin » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:41 pm

Does the asset consist of multiple smaller parts?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:42 pm

Does the asset consist of multiple smaller parts? yes
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Postby Balin » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:46 pm

Is the asset decorative in nature? Is it made of metal? Wood? Brick? Plastic? Rubber? Paper? Cardboard? Stone?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:48 pm

Is the asset decorative in nature? Often; it's usually governed by some aesthetic Is it made of metal? sometimes Wood? sometimes Brick? sometimes Plastic? no Rubber? no Paper? no Cardboard? no Stone? sometimes
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Postby Balin » Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:54 am

Is the item on his front lawn? Behind his house? In his driveway? On his sidewalk?
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Postby Hobbsicle » Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:48 am

Would it be a house itself? If so, is it a home that is usually vacant? For sale? Vacation home?
Identity theft or fraud relevant? Does the paint make it seem that it has already been stolen? Is under other ownership? Is being watched more closely?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:32 pm

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Is the item on his front lawn? yope Behind his house? no In his driveway? no On his sidewalk? no

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Would it be a house itself? yes If so, is it a home that is usually vacant? no For sale? no Vacation home? no
Identity theft or fraud relevant? yes Does the paint make it seem that it has already been stolen? no Is under other ownership? no, but explore Is being watched more closely? yope; depends on the perspective.
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Postby Enjay » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:28 pm

So he paints on his house? To prevent the house being stolen? Would stealing in this case mean physically removing it? Moving into it and taking it over? Breaking in and stealing things from it? Using the address for fraudulent purposes?

Does what he paints on the house refer to himself?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:41 pm

So he paints on his house? yes To prevent the house being stolen? yes Would stealing in this case mean physically removing it? no Moving into it and taking it over? yesish, explore Breaking in and stealing things from it? no Using the address for fraudulent purposes? no

Does what he paints on the house refer to himself? no
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Postby Balin » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:08 am

Does he paint words on the house? Does he repaint a part of the house? The whole house?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:09 am

Does he paint words on the house? yes Does he repaint a part of the house? The whole house? no to these
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Postby Balin » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:24 am

Does he paint graffiti on the house? Slurs/swears? Does he make it seem like the house has been vandalized?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:25 am

Does he paint graffiti on the house? Slurs/swears? Does he make it seem like the house has been vandalized? no to all
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Postby Balin » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:28 am

Does he paint on the wall? Door? Window? Roof?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:38 am

Does he paint on the wall? Door? Window? Roof? all would be possible - it's not hugely relevant
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Postby Hobbsicle » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:54 am

Would it be at all common to see other houses painted similarly? Does he paint something true? Something false? Something technically true, but misleading? Something that doesn't directly have a true/false attribute? Does it refer to the stealing of the house? Or somehow call out those trying to take it?

Is it relevant why there are people trying to gain ownership of the house? Is it a historical home? Or otherwise unusually valuable? Family line type of thing? Claiming to be the rightful heirs/owners? Is this a true story? Modern day?
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:02 pm

Would stealing it mean: damaging it? Demolishing it? Placing something next to it? Renting it out? Starting a business in it? Living in it? Squatting in it? Buying it? Playing in it? Using the yard?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:29 pm

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Would it be at all common to see other houses painted similarly? in the same context? yes Does he paint something true? yes Something false? no Something technically true, but misleading? no Something that doesn't directly have a true/false attribute? no Does it refer to the stealing of the house? indirectly Or somehow call out those trying to take it? as indirectly

Is it relevant why there are people trying to gain ownership of the house? There is no extraordinary reason Is it a historical home? no Or otherwise unusually valuable? no Family line type of thing? no Claiming to be the rightful heirs/owners? no, although this is obliquely relevant Is this a true story? yes Modern day? yes

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Would stealing it mean: damaging it? Demolishing it? Placing something next to it? Renting it out? Starting a business in it? Living in it? Squatting in it? Buying it? this, most relevantlyPlaying in it? Using the yard?
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Postby biograd » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:17 pm

So people think the house is for sale when it isn't? If so, is it because there is another house nearby that IS for sale, and people misunderstand which one it is? Do people routinely ring his doorbell asking to tour the house?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:24 pm

So people think the house is for sale when it isn't? yes If so, is it because there is another house nearby that IS for sale, and people misunderstand which one it is? no Do people routinely ring his doorbell asking to tour the house? no
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Postby Balin » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:30 pm

Do they think the house is for sale because of something inside the house? Outside the house? Something about the house itself?
Is the owner a real estate agent? Does he have a sign in his window or on his lawn advertising his services? And people think he's selling the house?
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:12 pm

Is something else relevantly for sale? Did he paint the text in order to clarify that the house was not for sale? Does it say "not for sale"?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:57 pm

Balin

Do they think the house is for sale because of something inside the house? no Outside the house? yope Something about the house itself? no
Is the owner a real estate agent? no Does he have a sign in his window or on his lawn advertising his services? no And people think he's selling the house? no

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Is something else relevantly for sale? no Did he paint the text in order to clarify that the house was not for sale? yes Does it say "not for sale"? yes
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:42 am

Yopishly outside: is an online service relevant? A publication? An error?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:48 pm

Yopishly outside: is an online service relevant? no A publication? no An error? No accident or innocent mistake is taking place
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Postby Balin » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:18 pm

Is some malicious act being done to/against the man? Is a crime being committed?
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:32 pm

Is a scam relevant? Is a crime committed against someone else? Are images of the house abused?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:46 pm

Balin

Is some malicious act being done to/against the man? yes Is a crime being committed? yes

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Is a scam relevant? Yes, slightly DOYD of 'scam' Is a crime committed against someone else? yes (as well) Are images of the house abused? yes, although this is a small part of a greater scheme
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Postby MiserableLie » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:55 pm

Are people posing as the house's owner to try and convince someone to buy it? Are they posing as estate agents pretending they are authorised to sell the house? Are they posing as court officials trying to make it look like the house has been seized/repossessed?

Relevant how the house's owner found out about the 'scam'? Has this happened to him before? Or to a friend/neighbour? Was he notified by someone else? Did people show up at the house expecting to view it?

Has he met the scammer(s) before, or otherwise encountered them? Does he know them?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:54 pm

Hi, MiserableLie!

Are people posing as the house's owner to try and convince someone to buy it? no Are they posing as estate agents pretending they are authorised to sell the house? yes, this is the crux of it Are they posing as court officials trying to make it look like the house has been seized/repossessed? no

Relevant how the house's owner found out about the 'scam'? perhaps a little for context Has this happened to him before? no Or to a friend/neighbour? Yes, and many strangers as well Was he notified by someone else? no Did people show up at the house expecting to view it? Not relevantly - this could well be a pre-emptive measure

Has he met the scammer(s) before, or otherwise encountered them? no Does he know them? no

I think we've established the lateral logic - anything else will essentially be a Geography quiz. There are websites for that, but this isn't one of them.

***** SPOILER *****

The man lived in Lagos, Nigeria. It is now common for people to paint "This house is not for sale" outside their homes to prevent fake estate agents selling their house to someone using fake documents. In many cases the scammed buyer then has the true owner evicted from their own home.

See this page for details: http://www.michael-zumstein.com/fr/this ... e-nigeria/


Congratulations to MiserableLie for the solution (your first?), and thank you everyone for playing.
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Postby MiserableLie » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:28 pm

Congratulations to MiserableLie for the solution (your first?), and thank you everyone for playing.


Yes indeed! Hopefully the first of many... thank you.
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