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[WiZ] One at a time, please

Postby WiZ » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:14 pm

A little experiment, LTPFanatics. Since this puzzle could be solved quite quickly if brute-forced with a couple dozen questions at once, we're going to trial a different approach.

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Teh qeustion:

Typically, in parliamentary democracies, power once vested in the Queen is given to the Prime Minister over time. However, there is one well-known example of a Prime Minister's powers being given to the Queen in these same countries, and it is true of all of them. What is this example?
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Postby Earnest » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:40 pm

I suppose also that it is forbidden to invoke the list of countries of the world/Europe/other continents right?

Queen = necessarily a HAF with the prime objective to rule the country rather than absolving other tasks e.g. religious ones?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:37 pm

I suppose also that it is forbidden to invoke the list of countries of the world/Europe/other continents right? In this case, I'm talking about most European, North American, South American, European and Oceanian countries. There are some exceptions, such as Estonia, Poland and Lithuania. Possibly more.

Queen = necessarily a HAF yes (although a child-queen would also be acceptable) with the prime objective to rule the country rather than absolving other tasks e.g. religious ones? this distinction is irrelevant
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Re: [WiZ] One at a time, please

Postby Earnest » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:41 pm

is the Queen alive?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:56 pm

is the Queen alive? Yes (at the time she is exercising these powers)
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Postby Earnest » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:29 am

does the instance we need to find provide an example of the inverse process: passing from a parliamentary democracy to a monarchy/pseudo monarchy/ parliamentary monarchy?
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Re: [WiZ] One at a time, please

Postby peter365 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:02 am

Is she Queen Elizaberth II?
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:21 pm

Is it a power to: do something? Avoid something? Go somewhere? Receive money? Make a rule? Give someone a position? Wear something? Represent something? Do a job? Control an agency?
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Re: [WiZ] One at a time, please

Postby WiZ » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:03 pm

Earnest

does the instance we need to find provide an example of the inverse process: passing from a parliamentary democracy to a monarchy This; these powers are vested in the Queen absolutely, who acts independently of parliament /pseudo monarchy/ parliamentary monarchy?

Peter

Is she Queen Elizaberth II? No

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Is it a power to: do something? Avoid something? Go somewhere? This, most relevantly Receive money? Make a rule? Give someone a position? Wear something? Represent something? Do a job? Control an agency?
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Postby Earnest » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:15 pm

Is representation in other countries relevant? Like a representative of the State in particular events?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:30 pm

Is representation in other countries relevant? Like a representative of the State in particular events? no
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Postby Balin » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:38 am

Is it the power to go somewhere independently (of Parliament's or other government's decision)?
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Re: [WiZ] One at a time, please

Postby WiZ » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:59 am

Is it the power to go somewhere independently (of Parliament's or other government's decision)? Yes, the Queen has this power (which once belonged to the Prime Minister)
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Postby Balin » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:24 am

Does the power enable the queen to go somewhere as the country's (empire's, whatever's) representative?
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:52 pm

Go somewhere: abroad? In the country? On a vehicle? In a building? Outside? With escort? Without escort? In secret? For fun? As part of official duties? In secret? For relaxation? Alone? Somewhere most people are not allowed? Somewhere no others are allowed? Somewhere people in power do not often go? Somewhere it is desirable to go?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:30 pm

Balin

Does the power enable the queen to go somewhere as the country's (empire's, whatever's) representative? Yes, the Queen goes there in her official capacity, as a representative of her own people.

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Go somewhere: abroad? no In the country? she stays within one country On a vehicle? very rarely In a building? usually Outside? occasionally With escort? Without escort? either In secret? no For fun? often As part of official duties? She does this entirely in the exercise of her duties as Queen In secret? no For relaxation? often Alone? typically not, although sometimes Somewhere most people are not allowed? no, she never goes anywhere off-limits to commoners Somewhere no others are allowed? no Somewhere people in power do not often go? no Somewhere it is desirable to go? It varies greatly depending on the circumstances
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Postby Earnest » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:45 am

Does she take decisions in that building? Rule the country? Go to reunions? Partecipate actively to the political life of the country? Just relax (e.g. she is retired in a country house?)? Just stayed there so that her presence remembers the power of people? Of african people? Like her image is part of a flag whrn she is represented in a building?

don't know if the two latter counts as valid according to the rules...if not sorry
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Postby WiZ » Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:50 pm

Does she take decisions in that building? no, the Queen does not make any of her own decisions Rule the country? no Go to reunions? no Partecipate actively to the political life of the country? yes (although exploring what 'political life' means in this case would help) Just relax (e.g. she is retired in a country house?)? no Just stayed there so that her presence remembers the power of people? no Of african people? irrelevant Like her image is part of a flag whrn she is represented in a building? No (although her 'image' is widely seen and acknowledged)
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Postby Earnest » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:20 pm

Is her image shown in banknotes? In a famous movie? A famous picture?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:24 pm

Is her image shown in banknotes? no In a famous movie? Not as a key/iconic symbol (although her image has appeared in many films) A famous picture? see above answer
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Postby Earnest » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:49 am

'political life' = appear in pictures/newspapers? Does she "give" her image? Shake hands? Makes propaganda? Sign something? Exercise a power which Prime Ministers had rarely exercise before? Take care of a minority? Just "enter" for a small amount of time in buildings which were forbidden for her to enter before? Host foreign politicians? exercise a power which the Prime Minister did not absolve anymore with the advent of technology? was no more able to absolve due to an historical change? Was not able to absolve due to the increasing powers and responsibilities he had?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:55 pm

'political life' = appear in pictures/newspapers? she does both, but there are far from the most important thing she's doing Does she "give" her image? no Shake hands? no Makes propaganda? no Sign something? no Exercise a power which Prime Ministers had rarely exercise before? no, they both regularly exercised the same function Take care of a minority? no Just "enter" for a small amount of time in buildings which were forbidden for her to enter before? sometimes her presence alone had the desired effect, but usually not Host foreign politicians? no exercise a power which the Prime Minister did not absolve anymore with the advent of technology? no, technology is irrelevant was no more able to absolve due to an historical change? not really Was not able to absolve due to the increasing powers and responsibilities he had? no
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Postby Earnest » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:06 am

Open a cerimony? A ball? Grace kelly?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:23 pm

Open a cerimony? A ball? Grace kelly? No to these
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Postby Earnest » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:40 am

In order to avoid the list of possible buildings...When that power was of the Prime Minister, was he/she alone be able to go in that building? Be able to go there to be elected Prime Minister (e.g. in a Church? Seat?) ?
There was not that building at all/it had another function to go when the country was not a Parlamentary democracy?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:42 pm

In order to avoid the list of possible buildings...When that power was of the Prime Minister, was he/she alone be able to go in that building? yes, all the same buildings Be able to go there to be elected Prime Minister (e.g. in a Church? Seat?) ? [b]Yes - it is possible that they could have begun in a humbler position and been 'elected' Prime Minister in this same place. The building is not necessarily a church (and rarely is)[/b]
There was not that building at all/it had another function to go when the country was not a Parlamentary democracy? please rephrase
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Postby Earnest » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:31 am

so sorry for theis recap...hope it does not count as a question...so: all Prime Ministers begun much probabily their carreer there and eventually were elected Prime Ministers there? And to be sure, with "Prime Minister's powers being given to the Queen" you mean that those powers who had never belonged to the Queen now belong to the Queen and no more to the Prime Minister? Or that the Prime Minister maintained those powers as well and the Queen was given that same right?

Were Prime Ministers used to exploit those powers in the past? Was the Queen present in the same building as Prime Ministers when the power belonged to the Prime Minister but could not do something that she could do instead when the power was given to her?

WAG --> building = Parlament, right = to actively participate to discussions in Parliament

maybe too many questions...if those are too much, please just answer to those you think are sufficiently enough. Thanks and sorry again
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Postby WiZ » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:49 pm

so sorry for theis recap...hope it does not count as a question...so: all Prime Ministers begun much probabily their carreer there and eventually were elected Prime Ministers there? Most of them began their careers as Prime Ministers, although some were promoted And to be sure, with "Prime Minister's powers being given to the Queen" you mean that those powers who had never belonged to the Queen now belong to the Queen and no more to the Prime Minister? Correct Or that the Prime Minister maintained those powers as well and the Queen was given that same right? No - the Prime Minister's powers were eliminated once they were transferred to the Queen

Were Prime Ministers used to exploit those powers in the past? yes Was the Queen present in the same building as Prime Ministers when the power belonged to the Prime Minister but could not do something that she could do instead when the power was given to her? No - the Queen and the PM were not relevantly ever in the same room

WAG --> building = Parlament, right = to actively participate to discussions in Parliament No. The building is rarely a parliament

maybe too many questions...if those are too much, please just answer to those you think are sufficiently enough. Thanks and sorry again No worries - I think the recap is helpful... and it turns out the puzzle's harder than I thought it would be. Once we hit 30, I might relax the rules and we can play this conventionally.
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Postby WiZ » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:19 pm

OK - In typical LTPF fashion, I have declared a puzzle to be easy, and it wasn't. The rules are now relaxed. Fire away, all!
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Postby Earnest » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:50 pm

Yeeeee!!!

So...the building is a building typically associated with a political function (e.g. embassy? Chamber? Other political buildings?)? An historical building? A building which is exploited for particular cerimonies? An every day building? A building which is usually opened to public? A bank? Ab hotel? A restaurant? A palace? A particular room of a building? A museum? A commemorative building? A building once used to absolve a function which is now absolved in a different manner by the Queen? A boat?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:15 pm

So...the building is a building typically associated with a political function (e.g. embassy? Chamber? Other political buildings?)? no An historical building? not usually A building which is exploited for particular cerimonies? not usually An every day building? yes A building which is usually opened to public? often A bank? very rarely Ab hotel? often A restaurant? rarely A palace? sometimes A particular room of a building? This takes place in some types of room more than others, yes A museum? She is unlikely to actively perform her functions in a museum, although a museum may contain evidence of her (and indeed Prime Ministers) doing so A commemorative building? unlikely A building once used to absolve a function which is now absolved in a different manner by the Queen? no A boat? sometimes
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Postby Balin » Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:47 am

When the PMs had this power, was it abused? To the debt of taxpayers?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:02 am

When the PMs had this power, was it abused? no, this would be quickly stopped To the debt of taxpayers? no
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Postby Earnest » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:05 am

Does the function concern doing something in public? Does the fubction mainly consist in usong the hotel in its primarly objective of building where to stay for rest? Is talking to public relevant? Entertaining guests?

Is somehow "testing" the building's functionality relevant? Visiting the hotel? Guarantee that something is fine? Does the function concern visiting the building at its opening? Randomly? When someone (an important guest) comes? In a particular recurrence?
Most used room in the hotel's building when absolving the function = conference room? Sauna? A room of the hotel (suite?)? Swimming pool?

Can it be considered more a right or a duty of the Queen? Does the function imply giving a "luxourious image" of PM or Queen while absolving it? Is it also nowadays absolved? If not, because it is no longer possible? Because it goes agains the ethic/policy of modern countries?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:31 pm

Does the function concern doing something in public? yes Does the fubction mainly consist in usong the hotel in its primarly objective of building where to stay for rest? no Is talking to public relevant? no Entertaining guests? The queen often performs this function in the course of someone entertaining guests

Is somehow "testing" the building's functionality relevant? no Visiting the hotel? no Guarantee that something is fine? no Does the function concern visiting the building at its opening? no Randomly? more or less When someone (an important guest) comes? often In a particular recurrence? sometimes
Most used room in the hotel's building when absolving the function = conference room? unlikely Sauna? no A room of the hotel (suite?)? most likely Swimming pool? no

Can it be considered more a right or a duty of the Queen? Duty Does the function imply giving a "luxourious image" of PM or Queen while absolving it? Not 'luxurious', no Is it also nowadays absolved? No, she still has this power If not, because it is no longer possible? no, it is still quite possible Because it goes agains the ethic/policy of modern countries? no, it is in no way unethical
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Postby Hobbsicle » Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:38 pm

So it typically involves the queen appearing at an event of sorts? Is a game being played? Is charity relevant? Does she do so to support a cause? Promote the arts? Observe a holiday or other tradition?
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Postby Earnest » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:59 pm

Duty = someone that guests should do and she does in order to make the guest save time?

Book something for the guests? Send something? Arrange something? Does she use telephone to accomplish the duty? The pc?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:00 pm

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So it typically involves the queen appearing at an event of sorts? Of sorts... Is a game being played? Yes! Is charity relevant? no Does she do so to support a cause? no (as we would normally conceive of one) Promote the arts? no; at least, not intentionally Observe a holiday or other tradition? no

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Duty = someone that guests should do and she does in order to make the guest save time? no

Book something for the guests? Send something? Arrange something? Does she use telephone to accomplish the duty? The pc? no to all
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Postby Hobbsicle » Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:38 am

So she is physically, humanly present at a game? Participating in it? Or are likenesses involved? Cards relevant? Chess?
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Postby Earnest » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:40 am

Does she judge the game? Make it begin? She is in the same room of the guests right?

Monte Carlo race involved?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:40 pm

Hobbsicle

So she is physically yes , humanly yope present at a game? yes Participating in it? yes Or are likenesses involved? Also yes Cards relevant? no Chess? yes!

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Does she judge the game? Make it begin? No to both She is in the same room of the guests right? yes

Monte Carlo race involved? no
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Postby Balin » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:34 am

Well now I feel like a dope.
Is it that a country/countries that did not allow women on their chessboards (and thus used an equivalent male piece, our "Prime Minister") now allows queens on their boards? So the queens get the "power" to move horizontally/vertically/diagonally in any direction?

I'm penciling - er, typing - this in my POTY 2018 list.
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Re: [WiZ] One at a time, please (rules relaxed - not solved

Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:48 am

***** SPOILER *****

In the early days of Chess, the piece now known as the Queen was the 'Vizier' or Prime Minister. In the 15th century, the piece became the Queen, and is referred to as such throughout North America, Oceania, and most of Europe.


Well done, Balin, on the solution. Well done, Hobbsicle, on the key question. Well done, Earnest, on most of the legwork. Well done, WiZ, on upholding the sacred tradition of declaring a long-runner to be easy as pie.
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Re: [WiZ] One at a time, please [CHECKMATE]

Postby Earnest » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:27 am

Wow I didn't know it...and I actually play chess xD
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Re: [WiZ] One at a time, please [CHECKMATE]

Postby Hobbsicle » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:11 am

Nice. It is a fairly easy puzzle in a sense, but cleverly disguised. Sort of interesting, because I was somewhat intimidated by this puzzle for a while. I don't know anything about the various powers of queens and prime ministers. I should have known, though. This is a WiZ puzzle, after all.
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