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[IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby irishelk » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:27 pm

Joel saved a lot of time and money because Arturo was just as much of a procrastinator as he was.
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Postby Earnest » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:46 pm

Ok...single question as I'm in a rush...bitcoins relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby irishelk » Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:05 pm

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Ok...single question as I'm in a rush...bitcoins relevant? Alas, not for this one. =)
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby Earnest » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:58 pm

So the sentence is: J saved money and time because A was as good as him to procastinate?
Are financial markets involved? Did J and A know each other?

Procastinate = positive meaning? Like do something at the right moment? Online transactions relevant? Auctions relevant?

Save time and money = avoid to spend money and time in a transaction? In buying a product? A service? If it was a transaction, is it between A and J? Do A and J procastinate for the same amount of time? Did the procastinaation of A indicate to J that something wrong was goibg on?
A's Procastination = seconds? Hours? Days? Weeks? Did J procastinate more than A? Less?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby irishelk » Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:14 pm

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So the sentence is: J saved money and time because A was as good as him to procastinate? Yes.
Are financial markets involved? No. Did J and A know each other? No.

Procastinate = positive meaning? Not really, though it had a positive outcome in this case. Like do something at the right moment? Online transactions relevant? Auctions relevant? No to rest.

Save time and money = avoid to spend money and time in a transaction? Yesish. In buying a product? Yes. A service? Yes, probably. If it was a transaction, is it between A and J? Not a financial transaction, no. Do A and J procastinate for the same amount of time? Itt. Did the procastinaation of A indicate to J that something wrong was goibg on? No.

A's Procastination = seconds? Hours? Days? Weeks? Probably weeks or months. Did J procastinate more than A? Less? Their procrastination was of the same degree, but irr whether it was the exact same length of time.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby Earnest » Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:32 pm

J and A H/A/M?

relevant which specific product? At the end of their procrastination: they both received the product and paying it less money? They both have the product without paying for it?
Had A instead not procrastinated, would J have spend money and time for a product that instead would be free after months or weeks? If so, it would have been free for a specific amount of time? Forever? for a day?)
Did J and A meet on the street? I am thinking of something like they met on the street and if J would have seen A with the product, he would have bought it. But, because A procrastinated, J probably saw A on the street but without the product.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby irishelk » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:09 pm

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J and A H/A/M? Yes.

relevant which specific product? Yes--it could be several of a number of items. At the end of their procrastination: they both received the product and paying it less money? No. They both have the product without paying for it? Not both, yesish to Arturo.
Had A instead not procrastinated, would J have spend money and time for a product Yesish... that instead would be free after months or weeks? No. If so, it would have been free for a specific amount of time? Forever? for a day?) It is possible he would eventually get it for free anyway, but unlikely.
Did J and A meet on the street? No. I am thinking of something like they met on the street and if J would have seen A with the product, he would have bought it. But, because A procrastinated, J probably saw A on the street but without the product. No, good thought though!

I think thinking of it in terms of a "product" is throwing you off. No purchases were made that are relevant to the puzzle.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby Earnest » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:09 pm

Did they procrastinate in the same period? E.g. if A procrastinated in June, A procrastinated also in June...or in different months/years? If the latter, did A procrastinate before J? After? (e.g. A procrastinated in 2016 and J in 2017)

Could J see weather A was procrastinating as well? If so also how much time he procrastinates?
Did J and A ever meet? See each other? Is their job relevant? Do they do the same job? One a job which is useful for the other?
Had A not procrastinating, would J have spend money in a single transaction? Would he have spend time to understand something? In building something? In using something instead of something else? Would he have done something which instead was not useful and whose "not usefulness" would have been clear just if A procrastinate?
Is the object of their procrastination the same? (they avoid to do the same thing...)

Is the result of their procrastination the same: e.g. J procrastination led him to work less as well as A's procrastination led A to work less? procrastinating in: reading? Going somewhere? Absolve a duty? Get marry? Ask something? Pay someone for something? Decide to do something (build something, open a shop, a start-up, submit something, enroll in a contest, enroll in university)...
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby trebor » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:57 pm

Do J and A know of each other’s existence? Was J able to get something cheaper or more easily because of A’s procrastination? Are they both vying for someone’s attention? Are romantic interests involved?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby irishelk » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:55 pm

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Did they procrastinate in the same period? No. E.g. if A procrastinated in June, A procrastinated also in June...or in different months/years? If the latter, did A procrastinate before J? This. After? (e.g. A procrastinated in 2016 and J in 2017)

Could J see weather A was procrastinating as well? No. If so also how much time he procrastinates?
Did J and A ever meet? No. See each other? No. Is their job relevant? No. Do they do the same job? One a job which is useful for the other?
Had A not procrastinating, would J have spend money in a single transaction? Probably multiple. Would he have spend time to understand something? In building something? In using something instead of something else? Yes, no to rest. Would he have done something which instead was not useful and whose "not usefulness" would have been clear just if A procrastinate? No, but OTRTish.

Is the object of their procrastination the same? (they avoid to do the same thing...) Yes.

Is the result of their procrastination the same: No. e.g. J procrastination led him to work less as well as A's procrastination led A to work less?
procrastinating in: reading? Going somewhere? Absolve a duty? Get marry? Ask something? Pay someone for something? Possibly a small fee, but this is not the main action. Decide to do something Yesish, (build something, open a shop, a start-up, submit something, enroll in a contest, enroll in university)...but no to rest.


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Do J and A know of each other’s existence? At one point, yes. Was J able to get something cheaper or more easily because of A’s procrastination? Yes--definitely more easily and probably cheaper. Are they both vying for someone’s attention? No. Are romantic interests involved? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby Earnest » Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:35 pm

Was J procastination somehow a reflection of A procastination? I mean...did J procastinate because A procastinated? Was A able to get the same thong as easily as J?

Did the procastination of A provoke a delay? Was A wealthy? Famous? A manger?
Normally, is there a complicated procedure to follow in order to get that something? A row to be made? A burocratic procedure? Signatures to be made? Does it need to be lucky? Is the sonething rare to find? Rare to find at that price? In that conditions? Is a booking been made? Is the time to wait a lot? Is a restaurant/hotel relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby trebor » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:44 pm

Is any criminal activity involved here? Does anyone end up injured or dead by the end or f the puzzle? Is it relevant that J is a procrastinator? Would the puzzle work if it was only A who was?

Just because of Arturo’s name, are their ethnicities relevant? Does this occur in modern times? Do J and A become aware of each other simultaneously? Does J become aware of A first? Vice versa? Are they both alive at the same time?

Are they procrastinating in doing something? (As in performing a chore or something like that?) In obtaining a service? In providing one? There is no product per se, but money is spent, correct?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby irishelk » Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:11 pm

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Was J procastination somehow a reflection of A procastination? In that they are procrastinating about the same thing, yes. I mean...did J procastinate because A procastinated? No. Was A able to get the same thong as easily as J? No/not applicable.

Did the procastination of A provoke a delay? No, not in relation to Joel's situation. Was A wealthy? Famous? A manger? Irr to all.
Normally, is there a complicated procedure to follow in order to get that something? Yes. A row to be made? No. A burocratic procedure? Yes indeed, or more than one. Signatures to be made? Probably.
Does it need to be lucky? Not within the normal procedures, but some luck is involved in the puzzle.
Is the sonething rare to find? Yesish. Rare to find at that price? FA. In that conditions? Yesish, but don't get thrown off track. Is a booking been made? No. Is the time to wait a lot? Which time? Is a restaurant/hotel relevant? No.


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Is any criminal activity involved here? No. Does anyone end up injured or dead by the end or f the puzzle? No. Is it relevant that J is a procrastinator? Yes. Would the puzzle work if it was only A who was? No.

Just because of Arturo’s name, are their ethnicities relevant? No, I'm just consciously trying not to pick the same three names for all my puzzles as I often do. :lol: . Does this occur in modern times? Yes--could be within the last century or so. Do J and A become aware of each other simultaneously? No. Does J become aware of A first? Vice versa? This. Are they both alive at the same time? Yes.

Are they procrastinating in doing something? (As in performing a chore or something like that?) Yes. In obtaining a service? In a sense, yes. In providing one? No. There is no product per se, but money is spent, correct? Let me clarify, sorry if earlier answers were fuzzy:

There is an object involved in the thing they are procrastinating about. I warned against calling it a "product" because it isn't usually considered a product/commodity. They are procrastinating about a service rendered relating to this object. Where I live the service is free, but in many places there is a nominal fee.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:18 pm

The fact that the service was free in some places but has a small charge in another place - is this relevant? E.g. could it be something like: In Scotland prescriptions for medicines are free, in England they are not... Is travelling relevant? Location?

Were J and A relevantly doing the same things, or different? Was the transaction BETWEEN J and A? Was there a 3rd party or parties involved? When you say A got a thing without paying-ish - was he paying/not paying in money/time/material things/effort?

Gambling or games relevant? Tournament? Competition? Poker, chess, sports? Exploration, travel?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby trebor » Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:57 pm

Does the thing they procrastinated about relate to health care? A public service? Libraries? Something else that is generally provided by a governing body to residents of the region? Is food relevant? Are the income levels of J and A relevant? Their family situations?

Would it be reasonable to assume that most people have used this object and service at least once? More than once? Many times? Does it pertain to entertainment? Education? Transport?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby irishelk » Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:39 pm

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The fact that the service was free in some places but has a small charge in another place - is this relevant? No. E.g. could it be something like: In Scotland prescriptions for medicines are free, in England they are not... Is travelling relevant? Yes. Location? Yesish, but not in the sense of what country it takes place in.

Were J and A relevantly doing the same things, or different? Not sure what you mean--they were procrastinating about the same thing. Otherwise no. Was the transaction BETWEEN J and A? No. Was there a 3rd party or parties involved? Noish, possible FA. When you say A got a thing without paying-ish - was he paying/not paying in money/time/material things/effort? He got something without paying or making much of an effort.

Gambling or games relevant? Tournament? Competition? Poker, chess, sports? No to these. Exploration, travel? Tangentially, yes.


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Does the thing they procrastinated about relate to health care? No. A public service? Sort of, yes. Libraries? No. Something else that is generally provided by a governing body to residents of the region? YES.
Is food relevant? Yes. Are the income levels of J and A relevant? No. Their family situations? No.

Would it be reasonable to assume that most people have used this object and service at least once? Yes. More than once? Probably a majority of people. Many times? It depends on your definition of "using" the product. The service, no. Does it pertain to entertainment? No. Education? No. Transport? YES. Usually.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm

Are trains involved? Buses? Trams? Bicycles? Cars, boats, other?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby irishelk » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:36 pm

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Are trains involved? Buses? Trams? Bicycles? Cars, For the item in question, this. boats, other? For this puzzle, no to all.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby trebor » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:06 pm

Is food delivery relevant? If so, from a restaurant? From a grocery store? To a store? Do A or J have any relevant disabilities or mobility issues?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby irishelk » Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:31 pm

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Is food delivery relevant? No. If so, from a restaurant? From a grocery store? To a store?
Do A or J have any relevant disabilities or mobility issues? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:03 pm

Is it some kind of repair service? Replacement? Emergency? Delivery? Advice? Health-related?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby trebor » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:00 am

Is purchasing a car relevant? Are cabs relevant? Is a ride-sharing service or something similar relevant? Is parking relevant?

Food is relevant, you say. Is cooking relevant? Eating the food? Purchasing food? Is it relevant in a broader sense (ie, donating to the food bank, etc.)?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby irishelk » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:40 pm

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Is it some kind of repair service? Replacement? Only in the vaguest sense. Emergency? Delivery? Advice? Health-related? No to rest.


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Is purchasing a car relevant? Are cabs relevant? Is a ride-sharing service or something similar relevant? Is parking relevant? No to all.

Food is relevant, you say. Sorry, typo! Food is not relevant. Is cooking relevant? Eating the food? Purchasing food? Is it relevant in a broader sense (ie, donating to the food bank, etc.)? No to rest.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby GalFisk » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:31 am

Roads relevant? Traffic? Rush hour? Potholes? Trafgic jams? Roadworks? Public utilities? Public transport?
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Postby KingLouie » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:05 pm

Newspaper/advertisements relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby irishelk » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:57 pm

GalFisk

Roads relevant? Traffic? Rush hour? Potholes? Trafgic jams? Roadworks? Public utilities? Public transport? No to all.


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Newspaper/advertisements relevant? No.
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Postby trebor » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:57 am

Is the item in question a car part? Something used in a car? Something attached to a car?

Is housing relevant? Mail? In order to avail oneself of this service would one have to go to a specific place? If so, a building? Is it something that one has to sign up for? Does it relate to ID at all?
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:42 pm

Car fluids relevant? Car ownership? Driving? Cleaning? Maintenance?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby irishelk » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:26 pm

trebor » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:57 am
Is the item in question a car part? No. Something used in a car? Yes. Something attached to a car? No.

Is housing relevant? No. Mail? YES. In order to avail oneself of this service would one have to go to a specific place? Yes. If so, a building? Yes. Is it something that one has to sign up for? Kind of, see next-- Does it relate to ID at all? Yes! Well done.


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Car fluids relevant? Car ownership? Only vaguely. Driving? Cleaning? Maintenance? No to rest.
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:54 pm

Insurance? Driver's license? Loans? Buying a car? Selling?
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Postby trebor » Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:04 am

Is the relevant item (the one used in a car) a GPS device? A paper map? Something used by the driver of a given vehicle? By a passenger?

We’re either J? or A? relevantly picking up something from the post office? Shipping something? If so, is it the same thing used in a car?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby irishelk » Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:29 pm

GalFisk

Insurance? Driver's license? This is relevant! Loans? Buying a car? Selling? No to rest.




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Is the relevant item (the one used in a car) a GPS device? A paper map? Something used by the driver of a given vehicle? Yes, the driver's license.By a passenger?

We’re either J? or A? relevantly picking up something from the post office? No. Shipping something? Yes, at one point, Arturo. If so, is it the same thing used in a car? YES.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby trebor » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:02 am

Arturo was shipping his DL somewhere? Was he shipping it to J? To another person? If it's to another person, is the identity of the person relevant?

Did waiting for the license to be shipped/received relevantly impact Joel?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby irishelk » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:52 pm

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Arturo was shipping his DL somewhere? Not Arturo's license... Was he shipping it to J? But yes. To another person? If it's to another person, is the identity of the person relevant?

Did waiting for the license to be shipped/received relevantly impact Joel? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby GalFisk » Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:20 am

Did Arturo ship Joel's license?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby trebor » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:57 pm

Is mail delivery the relevant service? Is there another service A and J are trying to get?

Had J lost his license? If so, did A find it? Had J given his license to A?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby irishelk » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:32 pm

GalFisk

Did Arturo ship Joel's license? Yes he did.


trebor

Is mail delivery the relevant service? Not the one that relates directly to their procrastination. Is there another service A and J are trying to get? Yesish.

Had J lost his license? Yes. If so, did A find it? Yes! Had J given his license to A? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby irishelk » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:41 am

******************RECAP**********

Arturo saved Joel from having to go through a lot of bureaucratic process, thus saving him lots of time. Arturo also, per the puzzle statement, saved Joel money. He was able to do this because Joel and Arturo are both procrastinating about the same thing.

Arturo mailed Joel Joel's driver's license. Joel had lost it, and Arturo found it. The two have never met and do not know each other in any other way.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby Balin » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:48 pm

Did Arturo find the license in a public place? In the place Joel lost it?
Is another form of transportation relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby trebor » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:21 pm

Is it relevant how long after finding Joel’s license Arturo mailed it? Did he do anything relevant between finding the license and mailing it? Are they both procrastinating about getting Joel his license? (Like, Arturo mailing it to him and Joel replacing it?) Are they procrastinating about mailing something? Picking up the mail? Changing addresses relevant?

Did Joel save money simply because he didn’t have to pay to get a new wallet, license, ID, etc?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby irishelk » Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:31 pm

Balin
Did Arturo find the license in a public place? Yes. In the place Joel lost it? Yes.
Is another form of transportation relevant? No.


trebor

Is it relevant how long after finding Joel’s license Arturo mailed it? No, but... Did he do anything relevant between finding the license and mailing it? ...yes. Are they both procrastinating about getting Joel his license?(Like, Arturo mailing it to him and Joel replacing it?) Are they procrastinating about mailing something? No. Picking up the mail? No. Changing addresses relevant? Yes!

Did Joel save money simply because he didn’t have to pay to get a new wallet, license, ID, etc? Yes, exactly. I'm imagining there was money in the wallet too, not super relevant.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby trebor » Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:10 am

Did Arturo move after finding Joel’s wallet, but before mailing it? If so, did it relevantly affect the speed of delivery (through the post) of the wallet? Did Joel also move? If yes, did he fail to update his quickly with the postal service?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby irishelk » Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:53 pm

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Did Arturo move at some point, yes... after finding Joel’s wallet, but before mailing it? No. If so, did it relevantly affect the speed of delivery (through the post) of the wallet? No.
Did Joel also move? Yes. If yes, did he fail to update his quickly with the postal service? No, but you're close.
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:57 am

Did any of them relevantly move to a place where the other lived earlier? Did Joel procrastinate in: realizing his wallet was lost? Ordering replacement of the lost items? Do something he needed to do before ordering replacements?
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Re: [IrishElk] The Lost Boys

Postby irishelk » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:57 am

GalFisk

Did any of them relevantly move to a place where the other lived earlier? No. Did Joel procrastinate in: realizing his wallet was lost? No. Ordering replacement of the lost items? No. Do something he needed to do before ordering replacements? No.
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