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[Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby Hobbsicle » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:53 am

Meant to post on Christmas Eve, but time gets away from us all.

A man calls his mother on Christmas Eve morning, when he knows she is in church and will have her phone turned off. He does not leave a message. Why does he call?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby Earnest » Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:51 am

Were they separated from a long time? Years? Months? Days? Hours? Minutes?
Did he know his mother was in Church just after the phone call? Relevant if it was in the night? Morning? Afternoon? Evening? Did he wait until the mother went of the Church? Did he enter inside the Church? Did he want to talk with her?

She was in Church as a simple churchgoer or was she the priest/officer of the mess (I think protestants hace women also as priests right?)? Relevant? Was she in Chirch because there was a mess?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby LemonCurry » Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:55 am

Relevent it was his Mom? Could it have been his wife? brother? a stranger for the purpose of the puzzle?

Is Christmas relevant at all for this puzzle? Are Christmas gifts relevent?

Does he want to check something about his Mom's phone? Or his own phone?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby GalFisk » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:31 am

Does he want to hear something? A message? Her voice? Is he recording what he hears? Memorizing it? Could he have called someone else whom he knew had their phone turned off at the moment? Is a log of the call relevant? Is a crime relevant? Are any relatives of his relevant? Friends? Friends of hers?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby biograd » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:45 pm

Had he just gotten a new phone and wanted her to have his new number?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby Hobbsicle » Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:26 am

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Were they separated from a long time? Years? Months? This, most likely Days? Hours? Minutes?
Did he know his mother was in Church just after the phone call? He knew before he called Relevant if it was in the night? Morning? Afternoon? Evening? Puzzle statement says morning, but it's not especially relevant. Could have been later. Did he wait until the mother went of the Church? No Did he enter inside the Church? No Did he want to talk with her? No

She was in Church as a simple churchgoer or was she the priest/officer of the mess (I think protestants hace women also as priests right?)? Relevant? Was she in Chirch because there was a mess? Her involvement in the church (and what denomination) are irrelevant. Just that she was there with her phone off.

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Relevent it was his Mom? Yes-ish, I think it works best that way Could it have been his wife? brother? Perhaps could be, under certain circumstances a stranger for the purpose of the puzzle? Could not be this

Is Christmas relevant at all for this puzzle? Not entirely relevant, but allows for certain conditions Are Christmas gifts relevent? No

Does he want to check something about his Mom's phone? Or his own phone? No

GalFisk

Does he want to hear something? No A message? Her voice? Is he recording what he hears? Memorizing it? So no to these Could he have called someone else whom he knew had their phone turned off at the moment? No Is a log of the call relevant? Yes Is a crime relevant? No Are any relatives of his relevant? Friends? Friends of hers? No one else relevant

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Had he just gotten a new phone and wanted her to have his new number? No
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby Earnest » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:37 am

So he specifically called his mother knowing that she had the phone off right? I mean, the interesting part for him by knowing that she was in the church was that she had the cell phone off, correct?

Log if the call = his phone log? The mother's phone log? Telephone tapping relevant? Was there someone with him?
Did he want to hide to someone the cronology of his phone calls? Did he want to reproduce the sound of an occupied phone? Did he call his mother just once? More than once?

When he called the mum, did he make the cell phone ring a lot before ending the call? Did he end the call as soon as he understood that the phone was turned off? Was he doing a relevant action while calling? Driving? Walking? Running? He was an astonout in the outer space? Was speakerphone relevantly turned on? Was an experiment/test going on?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:53 pm

Did he want someone to see the log of the call? Does he intend to mislead or confuse? Is the relationship between him and his mother relevant? If so, is it close? Distant? Troubled? Are other calls he has made to his mother relevant? Calls she has made to him? Is it a common thing for him to call his mother?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby Hobbsicle » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:07 am

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So he specifically called his mother knowing that she had the phone off right? Yes I mean, the interesting part for him by knowing that she was in the church was that she had the cell phone off, correct? Yes

Log if the call = his phone log? Yes The mother's phone log? No Telephone tapping relevant? No Was there someone with him? irrel
Did he want to hide to someone the cronology of his phone calls? I think so, but not sure what you mean exactly, explore Did he want to reproduce the sound of an occupied phone? No Did he call his mother just once? More than once? Could have been multiple times, but in my mind, it was once

When he called the mum, did he make the cell phone ring a lot before ending the call? He stayed on for a few seconds anyway (though I don't think it rings when the phone is off, best I understand) Did he end the call as soon as he understood that the phone was turned off? No, but not long after Was he doing a relevant action while calling? No Driving? Walking? Running? He was an astonout in the outer space? No Was speakerphone relevantly turned on? irrel Was an experiment/test going on? No

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Did he want someone to see the log of the call? Yes Does he intend to mislead or confuse? Yes Is the relationship between him and his mother relevant? Yes-ish, an aspect of it anyway If so, is it close? Distant? I would say somewhere in the middleTroubled? Just a bit Are other calls he has made to his mother relevant? Only indirectly Calls she has made to him? No Is it a common thing for him to call his mother? Yope
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby Earnest » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:25 am

When checking the log, there would be the writing witnessing that he had called his mother right? Would the result be the same if his mum called him instead?
Would it be the same also if he called her one hour later? 5 minutes later? 1 min later? Same questions with "before" instead of "after".

Is a love story relevant? Did he call his mother while performing a relevant action? Did he or his mother relevantly have more than one cell phones?
Having found his mother's phone occupied/turned off would he have an excuse to worry and perform a relevant action?

Sorry for ignorance...but when someone call someone whose phone is turned off, in the log if the someone who called appears the "outcgoing" phone call but also how much the phone call lasts right? If so, did he want specifically that when his phone log is checked, the someone who check it (HAF? HAM?) see the short duration of the call? Is it to justify sonething he did? He is doing while calling? He will do? The reason why he found in a certain place? Was it possible to know by checking his log if he had made the phone call or if he received the phone call, or it is just possible to know that a phone call between the two has been made/attempted? Relevant?
Did he want the mother to call him back? to receive a message once the mother was able to receive phone calls again? Did he know how much the mass in the church would have last?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:25 am

Would the log be relevantly seen: in his phone? In hers? In the phone system? Does he want her to know that he tried to call? Does he want himself to see the log later?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby Balin » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:13 pm

Is the man committing a crime? Having an affair?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby Hobbsicle » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:27 pm

Earnest

When checking the log, there would be the writing witnessing that he had called his mother right? Yes Would the result be the same if his mum called him instead? No
Would it be the same also if he called her one hour later? 5 minutes later? 1 min later? Same questions with "before" instead of "after". It wouldn't matter, so long as her phone was also off then.

Is a love story relevant? No Did he call his mother while performing a relevant action? No Did he or his mother relevantly have more than one cell phones? No
Having found his mother's phone occupied/turned off would he have an excuse to worry and perform a relevant action? No

Sorry for ignorance...but when someone call someone whose phone is turned off, in the log if the someone who called appears the "outcgoing" phone call but also how much the phone call lasts right? Yes If so, did he want specifically that when his phone log is checked, the someone who check it (HAF? ThisHAM?) see the short duration of the call? Yes, I suppose, though that isn't really the most relevant part. Is it to justify sonething he did? yope He is doing while calling? No He will do? yope The reason why he found in a certain place? No Was it possible to know by checking his log if he had made the phone call or if he received the phone call, or it is just possible to know that a phone call between the two has been made/attempted? Relevant? I think either would probably work, but assume that it marks it as outgoing
Did he want the mother to call him back? No to receive a message once the mother was able to receive phone calls again? No Did he know how much the mass in the church would have last? irrel

GalFisk

Would the log be relevantly seen: in his phone? Yes In hers? In the phone system? No to rest Does he want her to know that he tried to call? Yes! Does he want himself to see the log later? No

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Is the man committing a crime? Having an affair? No to both
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby Earnest » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:38 pm

Is the HAF the mum? Did he want to justify himself because of the fact that he did not call for a long period? Did he need the permission of the mother for something? Did he want an excuse to say "I've tried to call you but you did not answer!" Was he in prison?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby Hobbsicle » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:40 pm

Is the HAF the mum? Yes! Did he want to justify himself because of the fact that he did not call for a long period? Yes-ish, explore Did he need the permission of the mother for something? No Did he want an excuse to say "I've tried to call you but you did not answer!" Yes... Was he in prison? No
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:10 am

Were he and his mother estranged? Had they spent time apart, if so, weeks, months, years? Is he adopted? Does he have siblings? Is he a hostage? Prisoner? Soldier? Is there another woman involved? Does he need an alibi? Is his father relevant?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:18 am

Were he and his mother estranged? Only in the typical way of modern mothers and sons. Nothing excessive. Had they spent time apart, if so, weeks, months, years? Yes, somewhere in the weeks/months range. Is he adopted? No or irrel Does he have siblings? irrel Is he a hostage? Prisoner? Soldier? Is there another woman involved? Does he need an alibi? Is his father relevant? No to rest

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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby Earnest » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:06 am

Was him in good relationships with the mum? Was he morally obliged to tell something to his mother but did not want to tell her? Or did not want her to be present somewhere but was morally obliged to call her? Did he hide something to the mother? If so on purpose? Because he wanted to make him a surprise? (J was first thinking about a WAG which is indeed wrong but I'm going to tell you...he called her mum many times to be sure she did not answer meaning she was yet to a mass in the church, so that he was able to calibrate the time to organize her a surprise party for her birthday).

Anyhow...is something relevant going to happen in his life? Did he break something? Made a damage? Did he have good intentions (e.g. hide a bad new to the mum?) or bad intentions (e.g. hide the fact that he made something wrong/that he was in the hospital)? Did he want to hide the fact that he is coming home? Like he knew that when the mother went out if the Church she would have probabily noticed that he was at home and would have call him in order to ask why he had not call her? Is the fact that at Christmas usually the family gather together relevant? Did he gather with his family?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:59 pm

Was him in good relationships with the mum? Yope Was he morally obliged to tell something to his mother but did not want to tell her? No Or did not want her to be present somewhere but was morally obliged to call her? No Did he hide something to the mother? Yes-ish If so on purpose?Yes Because he wanted to make him a surprise? No (J was first thinking about a WAG which is indeed wrong but I'm going to tell you...he called her mum many times to be sure she did not answer meaning she was yet to a mass in the church, so that he was able to calibrate the time to organize her a surprise party for her birthday). Good guess, not it, but there are certain aspects that are OTRT

Anyhow...is something relevant going to happen in his life? Well...future events are relevant. I don't know about "in his life", per se Did he break something? No Made a damage? In a sense, though nothing physically Did he have good intentions (e.g. hide a bad new to the mum?) or bad intentions (e.g. hide the fact that he made something wrong/that he was in the hospital)? I would say both Did he want to hide the fact that he is coming home? No, but coming home is relevant Like he knew that when the mother went out if the Church she would have probabily noticed that he was at home and would have call him in order to ask why he had not call her? No, but her queries are relevant Is the fact that at Christmas usually the family gather together relevant? Yes Did he gather with his family? Yes, or was going to
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:03 pm

Did he wnt to meet his family? Did he want an excuse not to? Had she asked him to call her? Did she expect him to call her?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:21 pm

Is he a soldier? Injured? Involved in something dodgy? Lied to or misled his mother? Planning something, either regarding his mother or not? Does it involve a woman? A man? Multiple people?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby Earnest » Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:34 pm

Did she know he was in town? Did he want her to know? Did he want to go home just to leave the baggages before going somewhere else? To relax a minute before going out and has fear his mother realize he was at home once she came back? Was he drunk? Had he been already at home but now he is leaving?

Oh important questions...had the mum the phone with herself inside the church? Did she leavo home? Did they have another phone at home? Relevant? Did the man call with his own phone? With another one's phone? If so relevant whose phone?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby Hobbsicle » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:17 pm

GalFisk

Did he want to meet his family? irrel, assume yes Did he want an excuse not to? No Had she asked him to call her? No, but... Did she expect him to call her? YES

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Is he a soldier? No Injured? No Involved in something dodgy? Only in the sense of the next question Lied to or misled his mother? Yes-ish, not past tense Planning something, either regarding his mother or not? Yes, regarding his mother Does it involve a woman? A man? Multiple people? It only involves him and his mother

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Did she know he was in town? Yes-ish, assume he was coming into town that day Did he want her to know? Yes Did he want to go home just to leave the baggages before going somewhere else? No To relax a minute before going out and has fear his mother realize he was at home once she came back? Was he drunk? Had he been already at home but now he is leaving? No to rest

Oh important questions...had the mum the phone with herself inside the church? Did she leavo home? Did they have another phone at home? Relevant? Did the man call with his own phone? With another one's phone? If so relevant whose phone? These are largely irrelevant. It is relevant only that she had a cell phone which he knew would be turned off. Doesn't particularly matter where it was, or if she had other phones.
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:42 pm

Is he going to meet her after church? At the church? Home? Somewhere else? Does he have good plans for her? Bad plans? Is he going to see her sometime soon? Is he looking forward to seeing her? Is she looking forward to seeing him? Will she be disappointed? Is she ill? Is he? Is he going to take her somewhere?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:43 pm

Did he want an excuse to do something she had not planned? Is he being sneaky? WAG: did she tell him to call when he arrived, so he called when he knew she was busy, so that he could later claim that he had arrived at that time, though he had not?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby Hobbsicle » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:10 pm

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Is he going to meet her after church? Yes At the church? Home? Probably her home Somewhere else? Does he have good plans for her? Bad plans? A bit of both, technically, but he means well enough Is he going to see her sometime soon? Yes Is he looking forward to seeing her? yope Is she looking forward to seeing him? Assume yes Will she be disappointed? No Is she ill? Is he? Is he going to take her somewhere? No to rest

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Did he want an excuse to do something she had not planned? No-ish Is he being sneaky? Yes WAG: did she tell him to call when he arrived, so he called when he knew she was busy, so that he could later claim that he had arrived at that time, though he had not? Good guess, no, but OTRT in a way
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby Balin » Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:09 am

Are any other family members at church? Relevant? And if so, relevant who?
Same questions for family members at the house?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby GalFisk » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:00 am

Does he want to be late? Had they agreed on a time of arrival before the call? Were they going to agree on a time during the call? Had they agreed beforehand that he dhould call her?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:21 pm

Does she have altzheimer's? Other relevant health problems? Is he planning to put her in a home?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby Hobbsicle » Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:33 am

Balin

Are any other family members at church? irrel Relevant? And if so, relevant who?
Same questions for family members at the house? Also irrel. You can assume that there would be a family gathering for the holidays.

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Does he want to be late? No Had they agreed on a time of arrival before the call? Irrel Were they going to agree on a time during the call? No Had they agreed beforehand that he dhould call her? No-ish, not in this way, but explore

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Does she have altzheimer's? No Other relevant health problems? No Is he planning to put her in a home? No
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:51 am

Had they agreed on something before the call? Did he call in order to later be able to say that he tried to contact her in order to change an agreement?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby Hobbsicle » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:03 am

Had they agreed on something before the call? Not exactly agreement, but there was an expectation...explore
Did he call in order to later be able to say that he tried to contact her in order to change an agreement? No
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby KingLouie » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:19 pm

Is he trying to further his own desired agenda? Prevent a portion of her desired agenda?
Was he supposed to meet her at church but didn't want to? In that case, he could say that he tried to call her to get directions, but couldn't reach her?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby GalFisk » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:20 am

Expectation: on her? Him? Is a call expected? Is his arrival expected? Is a gift expected?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby Hobbsicle » Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:46 am

Sorry for the delay, I've been busy with a lot of things as of late. I hope I'll get time to engage here more soon.

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Is he trying to further his own desired agenda? Yes Prevent a portion of her desired agenda? No, in fact more the opposite
Was he supposed to meet her at church but didn't want to? In that case, he could say that he tried to call her to get directions, but couldn't reach her? No to these

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Expectation: on her? No Him? Yes Is a call expected? Yope, explore Is his arrival expected? Is a gift expected? irrel to rest
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby GalFisk » Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:37 am

Is he expected to call under certain circumstances? Is he expected to either call or do something else relevant? Is anyone apart from his mother expecting something relevant from him?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby Hobbsicle » Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:45 am

Is he expected to call under certain circumstances? YES Is he expected to either call or do something else relevant? Just call Is anyone apart from his mother expecting something relevant from him? No

Possible FA lurking based on tenses...
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby Earnest » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:49 pm

It's been a long that I did not check this puzzle so sorry if any repetitive question...

So...he called without the intention of communicating and because the mother expected so right? Nonetheless he would have reached the mother and the rest of the family soon right?

Did they agree that had he not call her she would have done sonething? Did he expect him to call her at that time? Did she expect him to call her but she did not expect to talk with him? If so because of what he was doing? (To be sure...he called her through a cell phone right? Not a phone maybe installed on a car/bluetooth/other devices that allow him to call her while doing something else?) Did he call her in that precise moment on purpose? Mainly because HE could not talk? Mainly because SHE could not talk? Did he call her before doing something? After having done sonething?

Is he expected to call her mum while on a plane? While he was arriving home? Just if something happened? Under pressure? Did she recommend him to call her "as soon as..." he had done something? (E.g. as soon as he arrived? As soon as the plane land?) If so did she has a way to verify that the sonething had been done?

While he was calling her, did he have the phone on his hear? On his hand without caring of it? He had done just one ring to her? Did he expect the mum to see the phone call while they were together? Before? Did he expect her to recall him? If so in a specific moment? To make his phone vibe?

WAG...he wanted to make her mother a surprise so he called her in order her to call him back. He knew she would not have answered so he go home and hide his phone knowing that the mother would have called him back. So when she called him she would have heared his phone vibing (ringing) and knew in that way that he was home.
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby Hobbsicle » Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:31 pm

So...he called without the intention of communicating and because the mother expected so right? Yes to first part,
Yope to second. She wasn't really expecting that call, but it is related to expecting him to call generally
Nonetheless he would have reached the mother and the rest of the family soon right? Yes

Did they agree that had he not call her she would have done sonething? No Did he expect him to call her at that time? No Did she expect him to call her but she did not expect to talk with him? No, she expected to talk to him...at one point If so because of what he was doing? No (To be sure...he called her through a cell phone right? Yes Not a phone maybe installed on a car/bluetooth/other devices that allow him to call her while doing something else? I guess he could have used a bluetooth during the call, but it would have been relevantly through his cell phone) Did he call her in that precise moment on purpose? Yes Mainly because HE could not talk? No-ish Mainly because SHE could not talk? Yes Did he call her before doing something? Only before seeing them at the holidays After having done sonething? This-ish, though could be somewhat misleading

Is he expected to call her mum while on a plane? No While he was arriving home? No Just if something happened? No-ish Under pressure? Only perhaps the pressure of the expectation Did she recommend him to call her "as soon as..." he had done something? No (E.g. as soon as he arrived? As soon as the plane land?) If so did she has a way to verify that the sonething had been done? He needed her to verify that he had called, and there was a way for him to do that

While he was calling her, did he have the phone on his hear? On his hand without caring of it? He had done just one ring to her? irrel to these Did he expect the mum to see the phone call while they were together? YES Before? NO (and to this I'll offer this general understanding which I'm hoping is correct...at least I know it to be in some cases. I don't believe that a phone registers a missed call when turned off, only a text message or voicemail.) Did he expect her to recall him? NO If so in a specific moment? To make his phone vibe?

WAG...he wanted to make her mother a surprise so he called her in order her to call him back. He knew she would not have answered so he go home and hide his phone knowing that the mother would have called him back. So when she called him she would have heared his phone vibing (ringing) and knew in that way that he was home. Nice guess, but no
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:20 am

When they met in person, did he intend to prompt her to check her phone for the missed call? If so, did he intend to do this no matter what? To do this only in certain circumstances? Such as when a certain subject was brought up?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:58 am

When they met in person, did he intend to prompt her to check her phone for the missed call? Not quite, but OTRT If so, did he intend to do this no matter what? To do this only in certain circumstances? This Such as when a certain subject was brought up? YES
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:12 am

may I request a recap?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] A Little Late

Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:14 am

Is the subject of him seldom/never calling relevant?
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