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[WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team [RETURNED]

Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:22 pm

Happy new year!

One morning, Sinead makes her way to a strange man's house. She gives the stranger a bottle of whiskey which was not bought for him, a letter which is not addressed to him, and a warning. The stranger is delighted, and hugs Sinead before closing the door on her, never to meet again.

What was going on?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby LemonCurry » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:05 am

Had the stranger expected Sinead? The Whiskey? The letter? The warning?

Was the Whiskey somehow tampered with? Relevant that it was Whiskey? Would a bottle of vodka do the job? A bottle of soda? A box of chocolates?

Would the stranger pass the Whiskey/the letter/the warning along? Keep the Whiskey/the letter? Do something relevant with it? Throw it away?

Was Sinead and/or the stranger acting in their professional capacity? Was any of them Police? Was a crime being committed? Or imminent?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:13 am

House = home? Is Sinead giving the things on behalf of someone else? Did Sinead write the letter? Is the warning about doing something? About a future event? About life and death?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:37 pm

LemonCurry

Had the stranger expected Sinead? The Whiskey? The letter? The warning? no to all

Was the Whiskey somehow tampered with? no Relevant that it was Whiskey? no Would a bottle of vodka do the job? yes A bottle of soda? no A box of chocolates? no

Would the stranger pass the Whiskey/the letter/the warning along? no Keep the Whiskey/the letter? yes to 'Whiskey'Do something relevant with it? no Throw it away? Yes to 'letter'

Was Sinead and/or the stranger acting in their professional capacity? Sinead was Was any of them Police? no Was a crime being committed? no Or imminent? no

GalFisk

House = home? yes Is Sinead giving the things on behalf of someone else? no Did Sinead write the letter? no Is the warning about doing something? yes About a future event? About life and death? no to both
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby Balin » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:32 am

Is either Sinead or the stranger committing a crime? About to die? In danger of dying?
Would the stranger drink the whiskey? Does the bottle actually contain whiskey?
Is the letter a message? A single letter of the alphabet? Of a different alphabet?
Do the three items together make a message?
EDIT: Is the warning a black spot?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:43 am

Is either Sinead or the stranger committing a crime? About to die? In danger of dying? no to all
Would the stranger drink the whiskey? irrelevant (although probably) Does the bottle actually contain whiskey? yes
Is the letter a message? yes A single letter of the alphabet? N Of a different alphabet? H
Do the three items together make a message? no
EDIT: Is the warning a black spot? no
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby LemonCurry » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:04 am

Were the whiskey and the letter originally meant to be for the same person? For different persons? For Sinead? For no particular person?

Has the original recipient ever seen the Whiskey? The letter?

Is alcohol addiction relevant for this puzzle? Other alcohol-induced health effects? Misbehaving under the influence?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:44 pm

Were the whiskey and the letter originally meant to be for the same person? yes For different persons? no For Sinead? no For no particular person? no

Has the original recipient ever seen the Whiskey? The letter? no to both; FA lurking

Is alcohol addiction relevant for this puzzle? no Other alcohol-induced health effects? no Misbehaving under the influence? no
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby Hobbsicle » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:48 am

Is he delighted specifically because of these gifts? Because of seeing Sinead? Because of what Sinead tells him? Did the stranger send the letter? To Sinead?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby peter365 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:47 am

Did the person who wrote the letter also buy the whiskey? Or did Sinead buy it?

Is Sinead a delivery person of some description? postal service? courier? Is the letter still in it's envelope? was is sent in the post? was there anything enclosed in it?

Was the warning along the lines of 'don't do this again' ?

When you say a strange man do you mean that he was unknown to Sinead or that he was odd in some way? Do Sinead and the man live in the same town? quite close together? Does this happen at a relevant time of day?

Is the man delighted because something has happened ? will happen? wealth or money relevant? Has he won something?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby WiZ » Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:28 pm

Hobbsicle

Is he delighted specifically because of these gifts? No, FA still lurking Because of seeing Sinead? Not per se Because of what Sinead tells him? yes Did the stranger send the letter? yes To Sinead? no

Peter

Did the person who wrote the letter also buy the whiskey? yes Or did Sinead buy it? no

Is Sinead a delivery person of some description? yes postal service? yes courier? yesish Is the letter still in it's envelope? yes was is sent in the post? yes was there anything enclosed in it? No - the envelope contained only the letter

Was the warning along the lines of 'don't do this again' ? yes, at face value

When you say a strange man do you mean that he was unknown to Sinead this or that he was odd in some way? no Do Sinead and the man live in the same town? yes quite close together? presumably Does this happen at a relevant time of day? no

Is the man delighted because something has happened ? will happen? wealth or money relevant? Has he won something?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby Hobbsicle » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:39 pm

So Sinead is the mailman? The usual mailman assigned to that street? Stranger sent both whiskey and letter? Or just letter?

Is the mailman's warning intended as a reprimand? Or more of an FYI (e.g. the address you sent it to doesn't exist)?

Did stranger send letter to himself? To another address? An existing address? Did he "game the system" in some way? Was he hoping for the letter to be returned? Did he relevantly send the letter from somewhere other than his home (or local postbox)?

WAG: Is he avoiding customs or something similar by sending the whiskey to a fake address with his own home as the return address?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby WiZ » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:42 pm

So Sinead is the mailman? Yes (although she is neither male nor a man :P) The usual mailman assigned to that street? assume yes Stranger sent both whiskey and letter? yes Or just letter? no

Is the mailman's warning intended as a reprimand? Or more of an FYI (e.g. the address you sent it to doesn't exist)? This is closer

Did stranger send letter to himself? no To another address? yes An existing address? yes Did he "game the system" in some way? No Was he hoping for the letter to be returned? Yope! Did he relevantly send the letter from somewhere other than his home (or local postbox)? no

WAG: Is he avoiding customs or something similar by sending the whiskey to a fake address with his own home as the return address? no
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby Balin » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:31 pm

Is there anyone located at the other address? Anyone other than the stranger?
Was he hoping the whiskey would be sent without extra payment?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby WiZ » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:07 pm

Is there anyone located at the other address? As in, the address the whiskey and letter were addressed to? Yes. Anyone other than the stranger? yes
Was he hoping the whiskey would be sent without extra payment? Irrelevant/Assume no
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby LemonCurry » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:35 am

Was the address in another country? If so, was it not allowed to send the Whiskey there? For customs/tax reasons? Or because alcohol is not allowed in that country?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby peter365 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:52 am

Did the intended recipient of the letter and whiskey return them to the man? or were they returned as undeliverable ?

You missed these from my last post

Is the man delighted because something has happened ? will happen? wealth or money relevant? Has he won something?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:24 pm

Had the man sent these items to someone else, and they were returned due to insufficient postage or the incorrect address? And he was pleased to have Sinead return them because he had thought them lost and the recipient would never get them?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:23 pm

LemonCurry

Was the address in another country? Yes! If so, was it not allowed to send the Whiskey there? Yes! For customs/tax reasons? Essentially Or because alcohol is not allowed in that country? no

Peter

Did the intended recipient of the letter and whiskey return them to the man? no or were they returned as undeliverable ? yes

You missed these from my last post Oops. Sorry!

Is the man delighted because something has happened ? yope will happen? no wealth or money relevant? no Has he won something? no

JenBurdoo

Nice to see you again.

Had the man sent these items to someone else yes, and they were returned due to insufficient postage or the incorrect address? no (see above) And he was pleased to have Sinead return them because he had thought them lost and the recipient would never get them? no
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:09 am

Newbie question: What does 'FA lurking' mean please? Thx.
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby LemonCurry » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:05 am

Was the whiskey meant to be a gift? Was the intended recipient angry at our hero because he apparently had forgot his birthday/christmas or the like? Is our hero happy because he can resolve the issue now?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby peter365 » Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:27 pm

Was the recipient somebody famous?

WAG coming up.....Did he send it to Elvis Presley in the hope of getting 'return to sender' on the envelope :lol:
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby Balin » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:41 pm

mimsy - "FA" means "false assumption" - the question-asker is assuming something to be the case in the puzzle that isn't so

peter - I hope that's the right answer
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:45 pm

Was the package sent deliberately with his return address on it, so that it would be "returned to sender" but really that was its intended destination all along, and he had never intended to pay the postage?

Is there some sort of message on the package itself? Perhaps, like the Presley bit, something accidentally made by the stamps or notices?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:41 pm

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Newbie question: What does 'FA lurking' mean please? Thx.

First and foremost, welcome to the forum!

'FA", as Balin has mentioned, stands for 'False Assumption'. We use it in situations where the question itself reveals something false held to be true by the questioner. We sometimes defer to this instead of answering the question 'yes' or 'no', as such a response would amount to a tacit endorsement of the false premise, and could slow down and/or mislead those playing the puzzle, particularly (s)he who asked the question.

'FA lurking' is a free warning of sorts by the puzzle host: We use it in situations where the 'yes' or 'no' answer is true at face value, but something about the phrasing of the question (perhaps in light of the answer) suggests that the questioner might draw the wrong conclusion or leap immediately to a false premise. We also use it in cases where the nature of the question strongly suggests that the questioner is operating from a starting point of a false assumption. This is, of course, a judgment call.


LemonCurry

Was the whiskey meant to be a gift? yes Was the intended recipient angry at our hero because he apparently had forgot his birthday/christmas or the like? no Is our hero happy because he can resolve the issue now? no (at least, not for that reason)

Peter

Was the recipient somebody famous? no (assuming you mean intended recipient in light of your WAG)

WAG coming up.....Did he send it to Elvis Presley in the hope of getting 'return to sender' on the envelope :lol: No - although this is the solution to a puzzle in one of Paul's books...

JenBurdoo

Was the package sent deliberately with his return address on it, so that it would be "returned to sender" but really that was its intended destination all along, and he had never intended to pay the postage? no

Is there some sort of message on the package itself? no Perhaps, like the Presley bit, something accidentally made by the stamps or notices? no
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:32 pm

Was the whiskey an actual gift to the intended recipient, or something else? Or ultimately, a gift to himself? Is it expensive connoisseur whiskey or just ordinary? Is that relevant? Is the 'Don't do that again' related to the ordering/sending of the whiskey? Or to do with the nature/identity of the intended recipient? Or something else? Did the intended recipient see the whiskey as an imposition?

Was the letter 'undeliverable' to the intended recipient because the latter refused to accept delivery?

Was he hoping the letter would be returned in the sense that its return or non return would give him an answer of some kind? Could he infer a meaning to its return? Same questions re the return of he Whiskey? Was the intended recipient dead? Had the i/r gone 'no contact'

Just to be clear, was the letter actually returned to him, or was it a letter from the recipient or someone else?

If the whiskey had not been returned, would he then have done something else?

Was the warning to not contact the intended recipient again, on pain of some kind of negative response?

Is he related to the whiskey's intended recipient? Friend, enemy, family, other?

So the guy isn't delighted as such, but the whiskey's return has answered a question or laid something to rest? Is there money involved? E.g. an inheritance or something else?

Lastly, the 'Two thousand and A -Team title - I don't think that's been touched on yet. Is this directly or partly relevant to the solution?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:36 am

Was the whiskey an actual gift to the intended recipient, or something else? yes, it was intended as a genuine gift to the recipient Or ultimately, a gift to himself? no Is it expensive connoisseur whiskey or just ordinary? most likely ordinary Is that relevant? not very, although perhaps useful to establish context Is the 'Don't do that again' related to the ordering/sending of the whiskey? yes (to 'sending') Or to do with the nature/identity of the intended recipient? no Or something else? no Did the intended recipient see the whiskey as an imposition? no, FA lurking :P

Was the letter 'undeliverable' to the intended recipient because the latter refused to accept delivery? no

Was he hoping the letter would be returned in the sense that its return or non return would give him an answer of some kind? no Could he infer a meaning to its return? no Same questions re the return of he Whiskey? as above Was the intended recipient dead? no Had the i/r gone 'no contact' no

Just to be clear, was the letter actually returned to him, or was it a letter from the recipient or someone else? It was the original letter he sent, returned to him

If the whiskey had not been returned, would he then have done something else? no - had the letter been returned without the whiskey, his reaction would be very similar

Was the warning to not contact the intended recipient again, on pain of some kind of negative response? no

Is he related to the whiskey's intended recipient? yes Friend yes, enemy, family, other? No to these, although 'family' could possibly also work in this scenario

So the guy isn't delighted as such, but the whiskey's return has answered a question or laid something to rest? There's another relevant emotion/feeling, but this state of events has made him happy on a visceral level Is there money involved? E.g. an inheritance or something else? no

Lastly, the 'Two thousand and A -Team title - I don't think that's been touched on yet. Is this directly or partly relevant to the solution? no (Rule of thumb: I don't put clues in puzzle titles)
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby peter365 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:42 am

Had the recipient moved address? and the delivery was forwarded to his new address in a country where whiskey could not be imported and only then returned to sender? Not phrasing this well so does the correspondence and gift get returned in respect of the address it was posted to or from a forwarding address?

I've a scenario in mind....Are political developments relevant? Something like the Berlin wall ? Or perhaps a defection from an oppressive regime?

Is the man happy because he realises that his friend's life situation has improved?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:04 pm

Had the recipient moved address? no and the delivery was forwarded to his new address in a country where whiskey could not be imported and only then returned to sender? no Not phrasing this well so does the correspondence and gift get returned in respect of the address it was posted to yes or from a forwarding address? no

I've a scenario in mind....Are political developments relevant? no Something like the Berlin wall ?no Or perhaps a defection from an oppressive regime? no

Is the man happy because he realises that his friend's life situation has improved? no
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:36 pm

Are any of the participants of this story alcoholic?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:53 pm

Are any of the participants of this story alcoholic? Assume no
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby wwhere » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:57 am

Did the stranger post the letter and the bottle at the same time? Were the letter and the bottle sent as just one item somehow (one postage)? Were they sent as two different items (two postages)? Were they sent at the same time? Is it relevant when did the stranger post the letter? Were they sent recently? A long time ago?
Is the name/identity of the stranger relevant? The name/identity of the intended recipient of the letter?
Is the stranger happy because he regretted posting the letter? Was he playing a game by post and had done a bad move? Was he breaking his friendship in that letter?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:15 pm

Hi, Wwhere! How long have you been in York? I visited your lovely little city back in 2015 - enjoyed walking the walls and snacking in The Shambles, but York Minster was covered in scaffolding.

Did the stranger post the letter and the bottle at the same time? yes Were the letter and the bottle sent as just one item somehow (one postage)? yes Were they sent as two different items (two postages)? no Were they sent at the same time? yes Is it relevant when did the stranger post the letter? no Were they sent recently? yes A long time ago? no
Is the name/identity of the stranger relevant? no The name/identity of the intended recipient of the letter? no
Is the stranger happy because he regretted posting the letter? yes! Was he playing a game by post and had done a bad move? no Was he breaking his friendship in that letter? Potentially, yes!

Excellent questions.
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:25 pm

Had he had a friendship with the intended recipient a long time? How long? 1 year, 10, 29, life? Was he taking a risk by posting the letter? Same q by sending the whiskey?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:00 pm

Had he had a friendship with the intended recipient a long time? assume yes How long? 1 year, 10, 29, life? Further details irrelevant; assume they were close friends Was he taking a risk by posting the letter? yes, whether or not he knew it Same q by sending the whiskey? As above, but for different reasons
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby wwhere » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:05 pm

Will be two years this Spring. Pity that you couldn't see the Minster! I'm quite in love with this city.

So, about the contents of that letter: Was he blaming his friend of something? Was confessing something to him?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:19 pm

Will be two years this Spring. Pity that you couldn't see the Minster! I'm quite in love with this city. Rather too much of Europe was covered in scaffolding while I was there. It's a bit of a shame, given that I have to spend several hours on a plane in order to see a building over ~150 years old :)

So, about the contents of that letter: Was he blaming his friend of something? no Was confessing something to him? yope
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:54 pm

Was the yope-y 'confession' thingy the reason for him saying don't do that again?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby WiZ » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:17 am

Was the yope-y 'confession' thingy the reason for him saying don't do that again? No (remember: this was a warning delivered by the postwoman to the sender)
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:36 am

Ah right, silly me.
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby wwhere » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:08 am

Was the "confession" an admittance of guilt of some kind? a proclamation of love of some kind? some kind of spoiler for his friend?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:50 pm

Was the "confession" an admittance of guilt of some kind? a proclamation of love of some kind? some kind of spoiler for his friend? No to these, but this is worth exploring
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby wwhere » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:24 am

Was the stranger confessing something he had done? something someone else had done? something he had seen/heard? something someone else had seen/heard? something he had felt? something someone else had felt? something he had thought? something someone else had thought? something he had not done? something he had not seen? something he had not felt?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:45 pm

Was the stranger confessing something he had done? no something someone else had done? no something he had seen/heard? no something someone else had seen/heard? no something he had felt? yes something someone else had felt? no something he had thought? yes something someone else had thought? no something he had not done? yope; this is less relevant something he had not seen? no something he had not felt? no
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby LemonCurry » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:37 am

So he regrets what he had written? And is relieved that his friend has never read it?

Has he found something out in the meantime that makes his letter a huge social blunder? Are romantic feelings involved? Or an aversion against someone?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:47 pm

Unrequited love relevant? Once-requited-but-no-longer-requited love relevant? Estrangement, family or otherwise?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:19 pm

LemonCurry

So he regrets what he had written? yesish And is relieved that his friend has never read it? yes

Has he found something out in the meantime that makes his letter a huge social blunder? yes! Are romantic feelings involved? yes Or an aversion against someone? and yes!

InvisibleMimsy

Unrequited love relevant? no Once-requited-but-no-longer-requited love relevant? yes Estrangement, family or otherwise? yesish
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:26 pm

LGBTQ+ relevant?
non-family estrangement?
Would it help if we discovered the reasons for the estrangement? or the ish-ness?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:12 pm

LGBTQ+ relevant? Not to this puzzle
non-family estrangement? yesish
Would it help if we discovered the reasons for the estrangement? yes- this also ties in to the answers to the previous questions or the ish-ness? not really
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby LemonCurry » Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:15 pm

Was he talking badly of someone in the letter? An ex-love interest? And she turns out to be now his friend‘s wife?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:03 pm

Was he talking badly of someone in the letter? yes An ex-love interest? yes - of whom? And she turns out to be now his friend‘s wife? The person who he spoke ill of is now the significant other of the friend...
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:22 pm

Ex love interest of himself? The friend?
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team

Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:37 pm

Ex love interest of himself? The friend? this

***** SPOILER *****

The stranger had a close friend (who lived in a foreign country) who broke up with a long-term girlfriend. The stranger had always hated the girlfriend and thought she was a toxic presence in his life. When they broke up, he mailed his friend a commiserative letter confessing his feelings, and sent the bottle of whiskey as a consolation. The next day, he receives a message from his friend saying that the two have reconciled, and the stranger fears he is about to awkwardly lose a deep friendship. Fortunately, Sinead, a mail carrier, appears at his house to return the letter and the whiskey, telling him not to try to send alcohol internationally again. The stranger is saved, and hugs Sinead in gratitude.


Thank you everyone for playing; a lot of you had a hand in this solution, so well done on your excellent questions.
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Re: [WiZ] Two thousand and A-Team [RETURNED]

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:48 am

Thank goodness! The friend will need the stranger again in the future if the woman is toxic :’(
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