[Dukhsan] Overcast

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[Dukhsan] Overcast

Postby dukhsan » Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:24 pm

When she painted something she couldn't see, her world shattered. What happened?

(PM if you have an early guess.)
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Re: [Dukhsan] Overcast

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:48 pm

Was she blind, going blind or had been blind in the past?

Was she a painter? Decorator? Artist? Doing some DIY?

Shattered like a window/glass? Or shattered as in broken generally, or as in completely messed up or destroyed?

Is she HAF?
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Re: [Dukhsan] Overcast

Postby dukhsan » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:17 pm

Was she blind, going blind or had been blind in the past? None of these.

Was she a painter? [/b] Decorator? Artist? Doing some DIY? Artist, specifically painter. No DIY.

Shattered like a window/glass? Or shattered as in broken generally, or as in completely messed up or destroyed? The latter concept.

Is she HAF? Human female, but a child.
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Re: [Dukhsan] Overcast

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:29 pm

Is/was this a real living person, or fictional? Is she famous? Was she famous? Is her work for sale or in a gallery? Is she dead now?
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Re: [Dukhsan] Overcast

Postby dukhsan » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:42 pm

Is/was this a real living person, or fictional? Fictional. Is she famous? In a way related to the concept of this puzzle, yes. Was she famous?

Is her work for sale or in a gallery? No/irrelevant. Is she dead now? Irrelevant, though she does not die within her storyline.
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Re: [Dukhsan] Overcast

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:02 pm

Is she a character in a book? A play? A song? Is the book one of the classics? Is it a children’s book, adult’s or both?
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Re: [Dukhsan] Overcast

Postby dukhsan » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:05 pm

Is she a character in a book? A play? A song? Is the book one of the classics? Is it a children’s book, adult’s or both? None of these types of media.
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Re: [Dukhsan] Overcast

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:13 pm

Is it something on the Internet? A game? A story passed by word of mouth? A puzzle? A joke? A meme?
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Re: [Dukhsan] Overcast

Postby dukhsan » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:24 pm

Is it something on the Internet? Discussion of this particular incident occurs online. The work as a whole did not originate on the internet.

A game? This. A story passed by word of mouth? A puzzle? A joke? A meme?
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Re: [Dukhsan] Overcast

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:32 pm

Did a belief of hers get proven wrong? Did she lose love? Trust? A dream? Did she fail to do something? Did she paint in the dark? Did she paint with her eyes closed? Did she look another way while painting? Did she paint on a surface? An object? Did she try to paint a picture?
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Re: [Dukhsan] Overcast

Postby dukhsan » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:50 pm

Did a belief of hers get proven wrong? Did she lose love? Trust? A dream? None of these.

Did she fail to do something? Yes.
Did she paint in the dark? Did she paint with her eyes closed? Did she look another way while painting? None of these.

Did she paint on a surface? An object? For both: she doesn't seem to, but it's unclear. I imagine this is irrelevant.
Did she try to paint a picture? Yes.
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Re: [Dukhsan] Overcast

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:51 pm

So the game itself was not on the internet, just the discussion about it? Did the game occur pre-internet? Is she a leading character in the game? The only character? A subsidiary character? How many characters were there in the game? And how many players? (Can we invoke the LPTF list of numbers please?)

Would it help to explore the type of game?
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Re: [Dukhsan] Overcast

Postby dukhsan » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:19 pm

So the game itself was not on the internet, just the discussion about it? Yes. Did the game occur pre-internet? About the same age as the
modern internet.


Is she a leading character in the game? The only character? A subsidiary character? Somewhere between leading and subsidiary. A playable character, as addressed below.

How many characters were there in the game? And how many players? (Can we invoke the LPTF list of numbers please?) Playable characters: Around a dozen. It is a one player game.

Would it help to explore the type of game? Yes.
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Re: [Dukhsan] Overcast

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:38 pm

Did the game come on a CD, floppy, cartridge, other?

Was it adventure game? Did you choose to play one particular character throughout? Or switch between characters within one game? Would you then perhaps play the game again as a different character or characters?

Was it the SIMS?

Was she messed up/destroyed because there was a fault in the programme? Or was that what was designed to happen at some point in the game, depending on the player's actions? Easter eggs relevant?

Was it a game based on a book?

In the game, did the player make the character paint or did she do that anyway? Was she just incidentally a painter, or was that a large part of the game?
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Re: [Dukhsan] Overcast

Postby dukhsan » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:33 am

Did the game come on a CD, floppy, cartridge, other? A cartridge.

Was it adventure game? In a way, although that's not the main genre. Did you choose to play one particular character throughout? Or switch between characters within one game? Some choice, some segments with specific characters. Would you then perhaps play the game again as a different character or characters? You have that option at some points in the plot.

Was it the SIMS? No. Goodness, I have seen some strange things done in Sims games, though.

Was she messed up/destroyed because there was a fault in the programme? Yes. Or was that what was designed to happen at some point in the game, depending on the player's actions? Decidedly unintentional. Easter eggs relevant? No.

Was it a game based on a book? No.

In the game, did the player make the character paint or did she do that anyway? The player can make the character do the action of painting. Was she just incidentally a painter, or was that a large part of the game? Not so much a plot point as a specific ability.
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Re: [Dukhsan] Overcast

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:43 am

Ok, so what is still to discover?
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Re: [Dukhsan] Overcast

Postby dukhsan » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:05 am

Ok, so what is still to discover? There's a little bit left. Nice work so far.

To summarize: A character in a computer game has the ability to paint. There is a specific set of circumstances where she is unable to see an object, tries to paint it anyway, and this action completely destroys the fabric of the game world. Why her actions set off a cataclysm is the remaining goal.
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Re: [Dukhsan] Overcast

Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:45 am

Does it make the game crash? Does it make some part of the game world disappear? Malfunction? Does it place her outside the world? Get her stuck? Deform her? Make her character malfunction? Mess up the controls? Is this the right line of questioning?
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Re: [Dukhsan] Overcast

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:58 pm

Was it a children's game?

If it was a game from the the early 90's, it's almost a given that it had a fatal bug. Is that when this was?

Was she painting part of the scenery in the game, something like that?
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Re: [Dukhsan] Overcast

Postby dukhsan » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:16 pm

Does it make the game crash? Does it make some part of the game world disappear? Malfunction? Does it place her outside the world? Get her stuck? Deform her? Make her character malfunction? Mess up the controls? Is this the right line of questioning? It is the right kind of curiosity, though these are more the results of a bug than the specific trigger that sets them off. Amazingly, it can do more or less all of those things depending on your definition, and depending on the in-game parameters at the time.

Was it a children's game? In the sense that most cartridge-based games were, yes.

If it was a game from the the early 90's, it's almost a given that it had a fatal bug. Is that when this was? Situational, and many players never discovered this particular interaction, but it was one of the most glitchy when triggered. (These bugs are of great interest to me personally.)

Was she painting part of the scenery in the game, something like that? Painting something nearby, yes.
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Re: [Dukhsan] Overcast

Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:28 pm

Could she not see it because it was: outside the screen? Occluded by another object? Invisible? Smaller than a pixel? Transparent? Was it in a position where she could normally paint something?
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Re: [Dukhsan] Overcast

Postby dukhsan » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:27 pm

Could she not see it because it was: outside the screen? Occluded by another object? Invisible? This one. Smaller than a pixel? Transparent?

Was it in a position where she could normally paint something? Yes, I would say so.
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Re: [Dukhsan] Overcast

Postby biograd » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:34 pm

Does the region of memory that is normally allocated to the object being painted get allocated to something else when the object is invisible, and therefore an important block of code gets overwritten when the painted pixels get stored there?
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Re: [Dukhsan] Overcast (GLITCHED)

Postby dukhsan » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:25 am

Does the region of memory that is normally allocated to the object being painted get allocated to something else when the object is invisible, and therefore an important block of code gets overwritten when the painted pixels get stored there? This is the level of detail I'd need to declare it solved. Well done!


*******************SPOILER*********************

The character Relm Arrowny in Final Fantasy 6 is one of the last of her world's mages, and as such has the ability to magically 'Sketch' the enemies encountered by the player. Her enchanted paintbrush creates a clone that does something beneficial for the player - such as attacking the foe that was copied.

In this game, it is possible to cast the 'Vanish' magic spell on combatants. This means that most attacks and techniques used on a 'Vanish'ed character will miss. If Relm attempts to use Sketch on a Vanished foe, the attempt whiffs, and the game usually handles this fine. However (as far as I can understand the code) if Relm has learned other magic spells and has them arranged a certain way in the player's inventory, this interferes with the game's code, and causes the game to pull random data in its attempt to tell the player that their most recent Sketch technique failed. We're talking 'tries to use music or text data in place of graphics' and the semi-random avalanche of corruption this triggers has been known to erase entire save files and even render the physical game cartridge unable to function normally the next time it's turned on.

Overcast is the name of an infamous enemy attack in Final Fantasy 6.

Thank you for participating! I had been thinking about this scenario recently, and one of Balin's current puzzles inspired me to post something vaguely similar.
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Re: [Dukhsan] Overcast

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:48 am

Nice one! Well one biograd.
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