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[JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:33 am

How did trackers follow the trail of a stolen camel through a crowded city?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:39 am

Is it relevant which city it was? Was the camel carrying someone or something?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:03 am

Is it relevant which city it was? Was the camel carrying someone or something? No to all.
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:16 am

Was the camel on its own? With the thief/thieves? With other animals or people? Did the trackers actually capture it? Inside the city or outside? Was the camel disguised? Was this in the present day or in the past? Did they use any tools or was it just their skills?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:43 am

Was the camel on its own? With the thief/thieves? This. With other animals or people? Did the trackers actually capture it? Yes. Inside the city or outside? Outside. Was the camel disguised? No. Was this in the present day or in the past? Past, but irrelevant. Did they use any tools or was it just their skills? Their skills.
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:11 am

Were there two thieves? Two trackers? Or another number? Do we need to know about relevant camel-tracking skills? Is camel-tracking similar to horse tracking (or other animals) or are there aspects of it which are peculiar to camels? Did the trackers track the camels? Or the thieves?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:18 am

Were there two thieves? Two trackers? Or another number? Numbers irrelevant. Do we need to know about relevant camel-tracking skills? No. Is camel-tracking similar to horse tracking (or other animals) Assume yes. or are there aspects of it which are peculiar to camels? Did the trackers track the camels? Or the thieves? The camel.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby LemonCurry » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:38 am

Was it unusual for the crowds to see a camel in the city streets? Would they remember the camel? React in a relevant way?
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:40 am

Were there other camels walking in the ciry? Were camels a common sight in the city? Did they interact with other people in order to track the animal? Did they look at the ground? Did they see material left behund by the animal? Tracks? Did they use their sense of smell?
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Postby Earnest » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:25 am

To be sure...are trackers necessarily animals and in particular dogs?

Was the camel stolen from a zoo? Excrements relevant? Had the camel puppies? Relevant? Did they reach the camel or somehow forced the camel to come back? Was the camel relevantly impossibilitated to move? Inside a mean of transport? Free to move? Just "dragged" by the thief with a rope?

Reference to the previous puzzle...did they guess his position? If so by traces on the sand? By crowd moving on the sides of the streets?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:24 pm

Aww, camel puppies Earnest! How cute, lol!

Jen, is it relevant that it was a camel and not some other animal?
Did they exclude the places the camel was not in or not likely to be, then search the remaining places?

Was it a decorated camel or a royal camel or somesuch? A homing camel? ;-)

Did the trackers go ahead of the camel (since camels move slower than trackers perhaps)? Did they lay some camel bait, or a camel trap?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:34 pm

Was it unusual for the crowds to see a camel in the city streets? Would they remember the camel? React in a relevant way? No to all.

Were there other camels walking in the city? Were camels a common sight in the city? Yes to both. Did they interact with other people in order to track the animal? No. Did they look at the ground? Yes. Did they see material left behind by the animal? Tracks? Assume this. Did they use their sense of smell? No.

To be sure...are trackers necessarily animals and in particular dogs? No.

Was the camel stolen from a zoo? No. Excrements relevant? Possibly. Had the camel puppies? Relevant? No to both! Did they reach the camel or somehow forced the camel to come back? They found the camel and retrieved it. Was the camel relevantly impossibilitated to move? No. Inside a mean of transport? No. Free to move? Yes. Just "dragged" by the thief with a rope? Assume yes.

Reference to the previous puzzle...did they guess his position? OTRT. If so by traces on the sand? They did find these. By crowd moving on the sides of the streets? No.

Jen, is it relevant that it was a camel and not some other animal? No.
Did they exclude the places the camel was not in or not likely to be, then search the remaining places? No, but you're on the right track.

Was it a decorated camel or a royal camel or somesuch? A homing camel? ;-) No to all.

Did the trackers go ahead of the camel (since camels move slower than trackers perhaps)? No. Did they lay some camel bait, or a camel trap? No.

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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:36 pm

Were there also tracks of other camels? Did the camel resist the thief? Did it walk differently because it was with someone it didn't know? Because it was handled differently than it was used to?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:42 pm

Were there also tracks of other camels? Irr. Did the camel resist the thief? Did it walk differently because it was with someone it didn't know? Because it was handled differently than it was used to? No to the rest.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby Earnest » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:50 pm

trackers = H/A/M? Objects?...the translation is a bit confusonary sorry.

Were tha camels found through their body temperature? Through the fact that the traces were one near to the other witnessing a camel running? Did the thief run away riding the camel? Is the traces laid by the stolen camel different from the traces laid by other camels?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:45 pm

Did the tracks stop at the thief's house? At a shop selling camel food ;-) At another place?

Did they search for the camel in places he would get stuck, like a dead end street, or a street or alley which narrowed so he couldn't get through? Or somewhere he couldn't turn round? At the top/bottom of steps?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:49 pm

Did they track the camel on: dirt? Sand? Gravel? Asphalt? Mud? Snow? Dust? Grass? Earth?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby JenBurdoo » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:13 am

trackers = H/A/M? This. Objects?

Were the camels found through their body temperature? Through the fact that the traces were one near to the other witnessing a camel running? Did the thief run away riding the camel? Irr. Is the traces laid by the stolen camel different from the traces laid by other camels? No to all else.

Did the tracks stop at the thief's house? At a shop selling camel food ;-) At another place? This.

Did they search for the camel in places he would get stuck, like a dead end street, or a street or alley which narrowed so he couldn't get through? Or somewhere he couldn't turn round? At the top/bottom of steps? No to all.

Did they track the camel on: dirt? Sand? This. Gravel? Asphalt? Mud? Snow? Dust? Grass? Earth?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby Earnest » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:18 am

Does the lateral suggestion come from the traces? Did it rain? Were the traces of the stolen camel recognizable? If so because there were no other traces at all? Because there were no other camel traces at all?

Were the traces fresh? Was there an oasis? Did the thief try to confound within the crowd? To confound the camel among other camels? Were them able to see the camel? Was the camel distant from them? Was there a unique entry to the city? More? Relevant?
Supposing that trackers guessed the camel's position, did they guess it on the basis of: impossibility of being in another place rather than there? Presence of something suggesting that the camel was in the nearby? A probable place where a thief would have hidden a camel?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:01 pm

I know camels don't drink very often, but did the tracks stop at a water hole? Another place where it could drink? Inside a building? With a lady camel?

Was the reason why the thief took the camel relevant?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:03 am

Does the lateral suggestion come from the traces? They thought laterally first, then found the traces. Did it rain? No. Were the traces of the stolen camel recognizable? Technically. If so because there were no other traces at all? Because there were no other camel traces at all? Irr.

Were the traces fresh? Irr. Was there an oasis? No. Did the thief try to confound within the crowd? Yes. To confound the camel among other camels? Possibly. Were them able to see the camel? No. Was the camel distant from them? Yes. Was there a unique entry to the city? No. More? Relevant? Yes.
Supposing that trackers guessed the camel's position, did they guess it on the basis of: impossibility of being in another place rather than there? Presence of something suggesting that the camel was in the nearby? A probable place where a thief would have hidden a camel? No to all, though the latter is circling around the right track.

I know camels don't drink very often, but did the tracks stop at a water hole? Another place where it could drink? Inside a building? With a lady camel? Where they found the camel is relevant generally but not specifically.

Was the reason why the thief took the camel relevant? No.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby Earnest » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:27 am

Did they lterally thought about the most probable entry toward which the thief would have gone? Was the convenience mainly dictated by the distance (he chose the nearest possible entry)? The highest possibility of hiding with a camel?

Were the entries to the city subject to controls? All? All but one? Did the thief chose a conventional entry to the city? Did they suppose that the thief had chosen a way which allowed him to go faster with a camel? Did they think about the possibility of accomplices?
Did the thief knew the gender of the camel? Relevant? Was the camel in heat? Was the camel followed by other camels?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:50 pm

Did they lterally thought about the most probable entry toward which the thief would have gone? Explore. Was the convenience mainly dictated by the distance (he chose the nearest possible entry)? The highest possibility of hiding with a camel? Others irrelevant.

Were the entries to the city subject to controls? All? All but one? Did the thief chose a conventional entry to the city? Did they suppose that the thief had chosen a way which allowed him to go faster with a camel? Explore. Did they think about the possibility of accomplices? All else irrelevant.
Did the thief knew the gender of the camel? Relevant? Was the camel in heat? Was the camel followed by other camels? All irrelevant.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:25 pm

Hint: Where did they find the camel?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby Earnest » Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:46 am

Ok so...did animals and camels need to pass through a certain entrance to the city? Did the thief want to avoid that entry? Was there a document providing the belonging of the camel to someone? Was there a special permission needed to go inside the city with a camel? Relevant rukes to enter in the city with a camel? Registration of names?

Did they find the camel in a place where usually cameps were brought? Before entering inside the city? After they've entered? Did they find the camel while moving? While standing? While eating/drinking? While being marked? While being registered?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby JenBurdoo » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:26 pm

Ok so...did animals and camels need to pass through a certain entrance to the city? Did the thief want to avoid that entry? Was there a document providing the belonging of the camel to someone? Was there a special permission needed to go inside the city with a camel? Relevant rules to enter in the city with a camel? Registration of names? No to all.

Did they find the camel in a place where usually camels were brought? Irr. Before entering inside the city? After they've entered? Technically, yes. Explore. Did they find the camel while moving? While standing? Most likely. While eating/drinking? While being marked? While being registered? No to all else.

As another hint, I suspect a significant false assumption.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby GalFisk » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:30 pm

Was the camel found with the thief/thieves? Was the camel carrying anything? Did it have any gear on? If so, gear belonging to the owner? Thief? When it was found, was it being led? Ridden? Was it bound? Stabled? In a corral? In a street? In an unusual place for a camel?
Edit: habits of this particular camel relevant?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby Earnest » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:16 pm

Was it in inside the main part of the city? In perifery?

FA = was the camel brought in that place by the thief? Did the camel go there by its own?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:27 pm

Was the camel found with the thief/thieves? Assume this. Was the camel carrying anything? Did it have any gear on? If so, gear belonging to the owner? Thief? When it was found, was it being led? Ridden? Was it bound? Stabled? In a corral? Assume this. In a street? In an unusual place for a camel?
Edit: habits of this particular camel relevant? No.

All else irr/assume no.

Was it in inside the main part of the city? In periphery? No to both.

FA = was the camel brought in that place by the thief? Did the camel go there by its own? No to both. Not the FA in question.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby Earnest » Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:24 pm

Wow...then...was him above the city? Below? (Tunnel/galleries)

Was the camel on a mean of transport? Were there traces of the camel inside the city? Did the camel physically pose its pow on the city ground?

Lateral thought they made is abput the position of the camel? Was there a unique way the camel could have taken? Did traces disappear at a certain moment? Was there a source of water? A river? Relevant?
Were there traces from where they were? Did it relevantly indicate to them where the traces were?
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Postby LemonCurry » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:14 pm

Was the camel dead? Were the thieves eating it?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:44 am

Wow...then...was him above the city? Below? (Tunnel/galleries) No to both.

Was the camel on a mean of transport? No. Were there traces of the camel inside the city? Probably/Irrelevant. Did the camel physically pose its pow on the city ground? Rephrase, unless you mean to ask if the camel actually walked through the city, which it did.

Lateral thought they made is about the position of the camel? ... Explore. Was there a unique way the camel could have taken? No. Did traces disappear at a certain moment? No. Was there a source of water? A river? Relevant? No.
Were there traces from where they were? Once they knew where to look. Where they lost its track? No. Did it relevantly indicate to them where the traces were? No.

Was the camel dead? Were the thieves eating it? No to both.
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:58 am

Condition of the camel when it was stolen relevant? was it relevantly thirsty? Hungry? Old? Tired? Trained for a certain task? Especially valuable? Famous?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:04 pm

Condition of the camel when it was stolen relevant? was it relevantly thirsty? Hungry? Old? Tired? Trained for a certain task? Especially valuable? Famous? No to all.

Hint: They lost the camel's trail in the city, but later they picked it up again. How?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:24 pm

By checking all probable exits from the area where they lost the trail?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby Earnest » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:20 pm

Were there places in which one can just enter the city and places where someone can just exit?
Were they sure the camel would have left the city once inside it? If so sooner or later? As soon as possible? Before the night? Because in the city the thief would have been caught for sure?
To be sure...the camel was alive right? Had the conditions of the camel changed before and after entering the city? Its trails? Is the conformation of the city the most relevant thing?

Did they reason about the possibility that the camel resist to the thief? To the conformation of the traces left by the camel?
Did they infer the position of the traces through the presence of someone? Had the thief stolen more than one camel? Or had the people usually crossing the city more than one camel so they looked for the trail of a single camel? Is it usual to find camel's traces after once entered in the city? Was rhe thief forced to take an exit?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:08 pm

By checking all probable exits from the area where they lost the trail? Quite close.

Were they sure the camel would have left the city once inside it? Yes. If so sooner or later? Yes. As soon as possible? Most likely. Before the night? Exact time irrelevant. Because in the city the thief would have been caught for sure? No.
To be sure...the camel was alive right? Yes. Had the conditions of the camel changed before and after entering the city? Its trails? Is the conformation of the city the most relevant thing? No to all. Please elaborate on "conformation," I'm not sure what you mean there.

Did they reason about the possibility that the camel resist to the thief? To the conformation of the traces left by the camel?
Did they infer the position of the traces through the presence of someone? Had the thief stolen more than one camel? No to all. Or had the people usually crossing the city more than one camel so they looked for the trail of a single camel? Probably. Is it usual to find camel's traces after once entered in the city? No. Was rhe thief forced to take an exit? Not a specific one, but...

Near solution, I think.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby Earnest » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:17 am

I mean were street asphalted? Was the camel able to walk in the street? Did he sled? Did they just checked the exit where there was sand (e.g. the exits leading to a desert/ a place with sand?)? Was the city on a sea/lake/river?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II

Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:51 pm

I mean were street asphalted? Irr. Was the camel able to walk in the street? Yes. Did he sled? No. Did they just checked the exit where there was sand (e.g. the exits leading to a desert/ a place with sand?)? Yes! Was the city on a sea/lake/river? Irr.



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"Some trackers of Scinde followed up a stolen camel from Karachi to Sehwan, 150 miles over sand and bare rock. The thieves, to escape detection, drove the camel up and down a crowded street, in order to get the trail mixed up with others - but the trackers foresaw this, and made a "cast" around the town, and hit on the outgoing spoor on the far side, which they successfully followed up."
-- Robert Baden-Powell
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting II (*LOYAL*)

Postby Earnest » Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:27 pm

Nice one!
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