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[Enjay] Asking for it [PUNCHED IN THE FACE]

Postby Enjay » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:25 pm

One man tells another man to punch him. As a result, both soon become much wealthier.

Explain.

Based on a short story
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:54 pm

Enjay wrote:One man tells another man to punch him. As a result, both soon become much wealthier.

Explain.

Based on a short story


Can we call the first man Bert and the second man Ernie? So, let's say Bert tells Ernie to punch him? Does Ernie indeed punch Bert?
Presumably it's not a boxing match? Or another fighting sport or contest?
Is there a bet or wager involved?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby Enjay » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:03 pm

Can we call the first man Bert and the second man Ernie? So, let's say Bert tells Ernie to punch him? Yep, that works
Does Ernie indeed punch Bert? Yes
Presumably it's not a boxing match? Or another fighting sport or contest? No
Is there a bet or wager involved? No
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby GalFisk » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:30 pm

Do they know each other? Their professions relevant? Do they get wealth from: fame? Price money? A business? A bet? A scam? Does Ernie actually punch Bert? If so: with his fist? A glove? In the face? Torso? Stomach?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby Enjay » Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:17 pm

Do they know each other? Yesish - they have at least met before
Their professions relevant? Ernie's yes, Bert's no
Do they get wealth from: fame? Yesish for Ernie, no for Bert
Price money? A business? A bet? A scam? No to these
Does Ernie actually punch Bert? Yes If so: with his fist? This but irrel A glove? In the face? Torso? Stomach? Irrel
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:10 pm

Does Ernie punch Bert just the once, twice, multiple times?
Acting relevant?
Do they get together specifically to do this?
Ernie's profession: Emergency services? Sport? Protection racket? Bodyguard? Stunt man? Acting?
Is there a reason why Ernie punches Bert and not some other dude?
Does Ernie make a habit of this? Does Bert?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:49 am

Profession of Ernie: sports? Fighting? Military? Law enforcement? Some profession where punching is useful? Some profession for people with good arm strength? Poor arm strength? Time elapsed between the question and the punch: seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Does ti happen in public? With an audience? Is it broadcast? Recorded? Judged? Is there only one punch?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby Enjay » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:41 pm

Does Ernie punch Bert just the once, twice, multiple times? Once
Acting relevant? Yope
Do they get together specifically to do this? Yesish
Ernie's profession: Emergency services? Sport? Protection racket? Bodyguard? Stunt man? Acting? None of these
Is there a reason why Ernie punches Bert and not some other dude? Well, Bert was the only one asking for it...
Does Ernie make a habit of this? No Does Bert? No

Profession of Ernie: sports? Fighting? Military? Law enforcement? No to all Some profession where punching is useful? No Some profession for people with good arm strength? Poor arm strength? Irrel Time elapsed between the question and the punch: seconds? This Minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Does ti happen in public? Yes, good q With an audience? Yes Is it broadcast? Possibly Recorded? Judged? No Is there only one punch? Yes
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:58 pm

Punch = hit? Or punch = make a hole in something?
Was the punching in return for something? E.g. Bert did something to Ernie (or Ernie's...) so Ernie punched him? Or for money, or goods, or a favour? Was there some kind of arrangement? Or a pact?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby Enjay » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:05 pm

Punch = hit? This Or punch = make a hole in something?
Was the punching in return for something? No E.g. Bert did something to Ernie (or Ernie's...) so Ernie punched him? No Or for money, or goods, or a favour? No to all Was there some kind of arrangement? Yes Or a pact? Arrangement is closer
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:17 am

Did the audience gather in order to see these two men meet? If Ernie had refused to punch, would he still get rich? Would Bert?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby Enjay » Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:25 pm

Did the audience gather in order to see these two men meet? No If Ernie had refused to punch, would he still get rich? No Would Bert? Probably
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby GalFisk » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:31 pm

Does Ernie have an especially strong punch? Weak? Skillful? Clumsy? Is Bert physically hurt by the punch? Is Ernie?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby Enjay » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:22 pm

Does Ernie have an especially strong punch? Weak? Skillful? Clumsy? All irrel
Is Bert physically hurt by the punch? Yes Is Ernie? No
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby GalFisk » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:36 am

Did Ernie know he could get rich from punching Bert? Did Bert know this? Was Ernie guaranteed to get rich? Or was it only a higher chance that he would? Did the punch settle a disagreement? After the punch, did Ernie get suddenly rich? Gradually? Did it happen within seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby Enjay » Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:30 pm

Did Ernie know he could get rich from punching Bert? Yes Did Bert know this? Yes Was Ernie guaranteed to get rich? No Or was it only a higher chance that he would? This Did the punch settle a disagreement? Yes After the punch, did Ernie get suddenly rich? No Gradually? Yes Did it happen within seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades? Could have been anywhere between days and months
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:57 am

Was an insurance payout involved? Something connected with pain or damage to Bert? An arrest? Should we explore the disagreement? Were they going to share the money? Are either of them famous?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby Enjay » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:39 pm

Was an insurance payout involved? No Something connected with pain or damage to Bert? Yes An arrest? No Should we explore the disagreement? Yes Were they going to share the money? Yope - each of them got money from a different source Are either of them famous? Yes, Ernie
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby GalFisk » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:18 am

Did Bert want Ernie to get rich? Did Ernie want Bert to get hurt? Did they disagree about: finances? Romance? Politics? Friendships? Pop culture? Science? Beliefs?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:31 pm

Were there other people relevant in this, such as spouse, family, friends? Was slander, libel, adultery involved? Was the money Bert got an income or a payout, damages, something else? Same Q for Ernie? Was the punch in lieu of something else? Was the punch to give a reason or a cause?

Is the short story relevant? Known?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby trebor » Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:56 pm

Is Ernie a politician? Is he connected with media? Does this happen at a rally? Is Ernie already rich?Does Ernie’s life improve overall after the punch? Does Bert’s? Did Bert have a pre-existing medical condition?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:18 pm

Also, is there something dodgy going on here - a scam, swindle, corruption, con?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby Enjay » Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:39 pm

Did Bert want Ernie to get rich? Not particularly Did Ernie want Bert to get hurt? Yes
Did they disagree about: finances? Romance? Politics? Friendships? Pop culture? Science? Beliefs? I think there is an FA here


Were there other people relevant in this Yes such as spouse, family, friends? None of these Was slander Yesish, libel, adultery involved? Was the money Bert got an income or a payout This, damages, something else? Same Q for Ernie? Ernie's money was an income Was the punch in lieu of something else? No Was the punch to give a reason or a cause? I'm not quite sure what you mean, could you rephrase?

Is the short story relevant? Only in that this puzzle is directly drawn from the plot Known? The author is well known although this isn't one of his most famous works

Is Ernie a politician? Yes Is he connected with media? In as much as most politicians are Does this happen at a rally? Yes Is Ernie already rich? Possibly Does Ernie’s life improve overall after the punch? Yes Does Bert’s? Only in that he has more money Did Bert have a pre-existing medical condition? No
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Also, is there something dodgy going on here slightly, yes - a scam, swindle, corruption, con? Nothing as bad as these, con is probably closest
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:12 pm

Is there some kind of drama going on here? Did Ernie and Bert agree beforehand what would happen at the rally?
So for example, Bert says or does something objectionable at the rally, and as a result Ernie the politician punches Bert... Ernie becomes the 'man of the hour' and his political career goes from strength to strength. Bert then gets a (secret) payment from Ernie.
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby Enjay » Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:01 pm

Is there some kind of drama going on here? In a way, see other answers Did Ernie and Bert agree beforehand what would happen at the rally? Yes
So for example, Bert says or does something objectionable at the rally, Yesish and as a result Ernie the politician punches Bert Yes... Ernie becomes the 'man of the hour' and his political career goes from strength to strength. Yes - there is more to be discovered on why punching Bert helps Ernie's political career though Bert then gets a (secret) payment from Ernie. Yes - this is how Bert gets rich

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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:22 am

Does Ernie then go on to win an election or a cabinet post?
Was Bert pretending that he was about to do something serious, threatening, criminal, dangerous, insane, so Ernie punched him to stop him? Had Bert already begun doing whatever it was? Did it appear that Bert was going to do something to himself, or another, or multiple others? Did it appear that Ernie saved a person or people?

Did Bert get arrested?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby Enjay » Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:34 pm

Does Ernie then go on to win an election or a cabinet post? Yes - the exact post is not relevant
Was Bert pretending that he was about to do something serious, threatening, criminal, dangerous, insane, so Ernie punched him to stop him? No Had Bert already begun doing whatever it was? No, see previous answer Did it appear that Bert was going to do something to himself, or another, or multiple others? No Did it appear that Ernie saved a person or people? No

Did Bert get arrested? No/irrel
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:22 pm

Was it a punch that helped, or appeared to help, in some medical way? Like a Heimlich manoeuvre or a punch to start his heart or something?

Does Bert do something objectionable or appalling in general, such as turn up in a Nazi uniform and start goose-stepping? Something that wasn't illegal?

Was Ernie on the podium at the time? Was Bert? Were either of them speaking, quietly? or through a mike?
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Postby Enjay » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:24 am

Was it a punch that helped, or appeared to help, in some medical way? Like a Heimlich manoeuvre or a punch to start his heart or something? No

Does Bert do something objectionable or appalling in general, such as turn up in a Nazi uniform and start goose-stepping? Something that wasn't illegal? All Bert did was stand up and tell Ernie to punch him
Was Ernie on the podium at the time? Yes Was Bert? He went up to the podium when he told Ernie to punch him Were either of them speaking, quietly? or through a mike? Ernie was addressing the crowd, Bert was shouting loudly enough to be heard
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby KingLouie » Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:25 pm

Was the topic Ernie was discussing prior to the event relevant? i.e. talking about nonviolence, but then proceeding to punch Bert when told to do so, contradicting his message?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:32 pm

Is this in the present day? In England, USA, other country (can we invoke the LTPF list of countries)? Was race a factor? Religion? So Bert literally just stood up, went to the podium, and said, "Punch me!" to Ernie, or words to that effect? Was this in response to something Ernie said or did first? Had Bert already been shouting or interrupting?

Were either of them famous (apart from Ernie being a politician)?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby Enjay » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:58 pm

Is this in the present day? No In England, USA, other country I think the original short story is set in the USA but not really relevant (can we invoke the LTPF list of countries)? Was race a factor? Noish Religion? No So Bert literally just stood up, went to the podium, and said, "Punch me!" to Ernie, or words to that effect? Yes Was this in response to something Ernie said or did first? Yesish Had Bert already been shouting or interrupting? Irrel

Were either of them famous (apart from Ernie being a politician)? No (but Ernie was well known as a politician).
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:50 pm

Does it help if we establish when this took place? Or which historical politician it was? American Civil war or Slavery relevant?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:45 am

So which was it, something Ernie SAID or something Ernie DID? Did Ernie extend some kind of invitation to the crowd? Or a challenge? Did Ernie just punch Bert the once, or multiple times? Did he punch him in the face or elsewhere? Did he knock him out?

Is sexuality relevant? Boxing relevant? Would it help to explore the nature of the slander? Is there another person/s relevant in this drama? Was some kind of accusation made at any point?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby Enjay » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:44 pm

Does it help if we establish when this took place? Yes Or which historical politician it was? The story and the politician is fictional. I also think there is an FA here. American Civil war or Slavery relevant? No to both

So which was it, something Ernie SAID or something Ernie DID? Both really - it wasn't one action but a pattern of behaviour leading up to this event Did Ernie extend some kind of invitation to the crowd? No Or a challenge? No Did Ernie just punch Bert the once, or multiple times? Once but not really relevant Did he punch him in the face or elsewhere? Irrel Did he knock him out? Irrel

Is sexuality relevant? No Boxing relevant? No Would it help to explore the nature of the slander? Yes Is there another person/s relevant in this drama? Not a specific person, the general public is relevant Was some kind of accusation made at any point? Yes
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby KingLouie » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:57 pm

Was Ernie labeled a pacifist and/or weak based on his platform of values behind his speeches?
So, when he punched Bert, it proved that he DID have the gumption to do what was necessary.
However, since he assaulted someone, that prompted legal proceedings, leading to a settlement that makes Bert rich?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:40 pm

Would it help if we knew what sort of person Bert was? Or how he knew/met Ernie in the first place? Suffragettes relevant? Early/late 20th century? Ditto 19th? 18th? 17th? Earlier? Had Bert followed Ernie to other rallies too? Had there been previous heckling, interference or something else from Bert? Did Bert have form for this kind of thing, either in general or with regards to Ernie?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby Enjay » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:06 pm

Was Ernie labeled a pacifist and/or weak based on his platform of values behind his speeches? No, but...
So, when he punched Bert, it proved that he DID have the gumption to do what was necessary. This is very much along the right lines!
However, since he assaulted someone, that prompted legal proceedings, leading to a settlement that makes Bert rich? No - it has been established that Ernie secretly paid Bert for his part in this, and that is how Bert gets rich

Would it help if we knew what sort of person Bert was? No Or how he knew/met Ernie in the first place? Irrel Suffragettes relevant? No Early/late 20th century? Ditto 19th? 18th? 17th? Earlier? No to all! Had Bert followed Ernie to other rallies too? No/irrel Had there been previous heckling, interference or something else from Bert? No Did Bert have form for this kind of thing, either in general or with regards to Ernie? No
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby KingLouie » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:21 pm

So punching Bert was proof of character that improved his political stock. Do we need to further determine the context in which this occurred? Was it meant to overcome a negative image or attract a demographic that was for the opposing candidate because of that image of strength/gumption?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby Enjay » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:05 pm

So punching Bert was proof of character yope that improved his political stock yes. Do we need to further determine the context in which this occurred? Yes, it would help Was it meant to overcome a negative image Yes or attract a demographic that was for the opposing candidate because of that image of strength/gumption? Strength/gumption are not what's relevant
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:21 pm

When Bert went to the podium and said "Punch me" to Ernie, was this to do with something that Ernie DIDN'T do, or tried but failed to do?

Was the public's perception of Ernie as somebody who failed to keep his promises? Was race or gender relevant even slightly, and should we explore those? Did they perceive Ernie as someone who wouldn't stand up to attack? Or lacking in some other way?

Is it relevant how Ernie got to where is is today, perhaps his past, how he got into politics, how his career progressed to where he is now? Why/how it is that he's in this (potentially) strong position now?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby Enjay » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:26 pm

When Bert went to the podium and said "Punch me" to Ernie, was this to do with something that Ernie DIDN'T do, or tried but failed to do? Yesish

Was the public's perception of Ernie as somebody who failed to keep his promises? No Was race or gender relevant even slightly, and should we explore those? No, with a possible tiny ish for race - exploring the ish may help Did they perceive Ernie as someone who wouldn't stand up to attack? Yesish Or lacking in some other way? Yes

Is it relevant how Ernie got to where is is today, perhaps his past, how he got into politics, how his career progressed to where he is now? No Why/how it is that he's in this (potentially) strong position now? It is not relevant how he came to be in the position he was in prior to the punch. The way in which the punching incident strengthened his position is relevant.
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby KingLouie » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:38 pm

Has Ernie publicly punched anyone before? Significant/relevant?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby Enjay » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:15 am

Has Ernie publicly punched anyone before? No Significant/relevant? Yes
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:15 pm

Apologies if I'm asking questions which have been answered before... mimsy was very confused :?
So, Ernie had a history of failing to take the necessary action in certain circumstances? Once before, twice, more (number)?
Ernie's negative image: was it a trust issue? Lack of 'backbone'? Was it simply that people didn't think he was capable of the job? People = other politicians, the public, someone else?

Does this story take place on Earth, in the normal reality? Is there something weird going on we should investigate? Is there a Sci-fi element to this? Something which is outside of our normal societal rules?
Re the tiny ish for race relevance... Were Ernie and Bert of the same race? How about the other politicians? government? the proletariat? Ancestry or bloodlines relevant? Was this country ruled by the government/politicans? A monarchy? I can't remember - did you say the time period is relevant? Is this a 'Hunger Games' type scenario?

Was it to do with Ernie's public speaking? His inability to keep control of 'the ship', or his tendency to let unfolding events get the better of him? So for example, he's on the podium and Bert starts agitating the crowd, who start concentrating on Bert instead of on Ernie... possibly they're fearful of Ernie or the situation, things being out of control, and at the key moment Ernie punches Bert and brings the focus back to him?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby Enjay » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:02 pm

Apologies if I'm asking questions which have been answered before... mimsy was very confused :? No problem! Some questions are a little hard to answer but hopefully it will be clear why in the end!
So, Ernie had a history of failing to take the necessary action in certain circumstances? Once before, twice, more (number)? Yesish...it's not a specific action that he didn't take, but a perception of him that existed until the punch.
Ernie's negative image: was it a trust issue? Yes, partly Lack of 'backbone'? No Was it simply that people didn't think he was capable of the job? No - there was more to it than that People = other politicians, the public, Both of these someone else?

Does this story take place on Earth, yes in the normal reality? No! Is there something weird going on we should investigate? Yes Is there a Sci-fi element to this? Yes! Something which is outside of our normal societal rules? Yes
Re the tiny ish for race relevance... Were Ernie and Bert of the same race? Yes/irrel How about the other politicians? government? the proletariat? Same answer Ancestry or bloodlines relevant? No with the same ish Was this country ruled by the government/politicans? This A monarchy? I can't remember - did you say the time period is relevant? Yes it is Is this a 'Hunger Games' type scenario? No

Was it to do with Ernie's public speaking? His inability to keep control of 'the ship', or his tendency to let unfolding events get the better of him? So for example, he's on the podium and Bert starts agitating the crowd, who start concentrating on Bert instead of on Ernie... possibly they're fearful of Ernie or the situation, things being out of control, and at the key moment Ernie punches Bert and brings the focus back to him? No to all
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby KingLouie » Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:01 am

"Mirror universes" relevant, as in Star Trek?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:32 pm

Would it help if we established the 'world' or setting? Is this 1984? Ernie had to prove he could quell any unrest or any challenge to the authority of the rulers? Because he'd balked at this in the past? In order to prove he's not part of any rebellion himself?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby Enjay » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:10 pm

"Mirror universes" relevant, as in Star Trek? No

Would it help if we established the 'world' or setting? Yes, one part of the setting is key Is this 1984? No Ernie had to prove he could quell any unrest or any challenge to the authority of the rulers? Because he'd balked at this in the past? In order to prove he's not part of any rebellion himself? Not this
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby KingLouie » Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:00 pm

"Aliens" relevant? Another non-human societal construct relevant? Aliens (mutants, etc.) masquerading as humans? If so, were they pacifists, so by punching Bert he proved he was not "one of them"?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby Enjay » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:23 pm

"Aliens" relevant? No Another non-human societal construct relevant? Yes! Aliens (mutants, etc.) masquerading as humans? Not aliens or mutants, but otherwise this is very relevant If so, were they pacifists not exactly..., so by punching Bert he proved he was not "one of them"? But yes!
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:19 pm

Cyborgs, androids, Battlestar Galactica, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, that kind of thing?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby Enjay » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:34 pm

Cyborgs, androids This Battlestar Galactica, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, that kind of thing?

I think you've pretty much got it...just need to put it all together
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:36 am

If Ernie had been an android, he would not have punched Bert?
Did Bert just tell Ernie to punch him the once, or did he keep goading him? Perhaps an android WOULD have punched Bert, but calmly, on the first time of asking?
An android would not have shown any emotion... whereas Ernie would have got increasingly more irritated, and perhaps reluctant to punch Ernie until he snapped?
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it

Postby Enjay » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:56 pm

If Ernie had been an android, he would not have punched Bert? Correct!
Did Bert just tell Ernie to punch him the once, or did he keep goading him? Perhaps an android WOULD have punched Bert, but calmly, on the first time of asking?
An android would not have shown any emotion... whereas Ernie would have got increasingly more irritated, and perhaps reluctant to punch Ernie until he snapped?

*****SPOILER*****

This puzzle is based on the short story "Evidence" by Isaac Asimov, which is set in a future society where robots exist that are indistinguishable from humans.

Ernie is a popular politician who is running for mayor of a major city. His opponent spreads rumours that Ernie is actually a robot, since robots cannot run for office. Ernie resists all attempts to conclusively prove him as a robot or human, and the question becomes the deciding issue of the campaign. In Asimov's stories, robots are programmed with the "three laws of robotics", the first of which prevents them from ever harming a human - therefore if Ernie were to harm a human, that would prove him to be human. Ernie (or his supporters) pay off Bert to heckle Ernie and challenge him to punch him, which Ernie does in front of a crowd, thus proving himself human and winning the election.

Side note - In the short story, it is heavily implied at the end that both Ernie AND Bert were secretly robots, and the whole situation was set up to make Ernie appear human, since nothing in his programming prevents him from punching another robot. I left that out of the puzzle since the first HAM question would have given it away - though I don't think anyone actually asked that!


Thanks everyone for playing, especially InvisibleMimsy for the solve and sticking with it throughout!
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it [PUNCHED IN THE FACE]

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:07 pm

Thanks Enjay, I really enjoyed this one. Ingenious!
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it [PUNCHED IN THE FACE]

Postby KingLouie » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:23 am

Nice!
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it [PUNCHED IN THE FACE]

Postby Balin » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:07 pm

Good one!
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Re: [Enjay] Asking for it [PUNCHED IN THE FACE]

Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:13 pm

Damn, Enjay. I took one look at that and was considering a similar puzzle that ends with "One is elected to high office."

As I have read that story, and don't recall either of them getting wealthy.

I woulda stumbled over answering the H/A/M question, though.
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