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[WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby WiZ » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:54 pm

Noah got away with cheating because he paid close attention to Mary's regular periods. Explain.
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:56 am

Noah = HAM and Mary = HAF? Periods = monthly cycle? Are Noah and Mary man and wife/boyfriend and girlfriend? Cheating = having sex with someone else?
Did he do this once, or multiple times? With one women or multiple women? Does Mary find out in the end?

OR, is Noah cheating WITH Mary?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby GalFisk » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:10 am

Cheating in a game? Lottery? Got away with=was never discovered?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby peter365 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:51 am

Periods- Menstrual cycle? Full Stops? some time allocated to an activity? Classes at school?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby Balin » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:27 pm

Is some sort of code relevant?
Cheating on a test?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby WiZ » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:52 pm

InvisibleMimsy

Noah = HAM and Mary = HAF? Yes Periods = monthly cycle? no Are Noah and Mary man and wife/boyfriend and girlfriend? neither Cheating = having sex with someone else? no
Did he do this once, or multiple times? once With one women or multiple women? FA Does Mary find out in the end? no

OR, is Noah cheating WITH Mary? no (as in, she is not a co-colluder to the cheating)

GalFisk

Cheating in a game? Lottery? no to both Got away with=was never discovered? correct

Peter

Periods- Menstrual cycle? no Full Stops? yes some time allocated to an activity? no Classes at school? no

Balin

Is some sort of code relevant? noish
Cheating on a test? yes
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:09 pm

Was it an exam? Written or practical? Driving lessons or driving test relevant? Full stops as in punctuation?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby WiZ » Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:18 pm

Was it an exam? yes Written or practical? written Driving lessons or driving test relevant? no Full stops as in punctuation? yes
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:55 am

Was it a music theory exam? Something requiring a certain rhythm? Could he hear, see or feel Mary‘s full stops?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby GalFisk » Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:59 am

Was Mary relevantly writing something? Did Noah relevantly hear or see that she was writing? Did she also take the same test? Did he copy her somehow? If he had not paid attention to her regular periods, would he: not be able to cheat? Not be able to avoid discovery?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby Balin » Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:15 pm

I have a feeling I saw this on an AskReddit thread also. I don't remember the exact details but I'll stay out just to be sure.
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby WiZ » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:59 am

InvisibleMimsy

Was it a music theory exam? no Something requiring a certain rhythm? no Could he hear, see this or feel Mary‘s full stops?

GalFisk

Was Mary relevantly writing something? yes Did Noah relevantly hear or see that she was writing? yes Did she also take the same test? no Did he copy her somehow? 'no' is less misleading If he had not paid attention to her regular periods, would he: not be able to cheat? not in the same way Not be able to avoid discovery? no

Balin

I have a feeling I saw this on an AskReddit thread also. I don't remember the exact details but I'll stay out just to be sure. You do have precedent on your side here...
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby WiZ » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:59 am

InvisibleMimsy

Was it a music theory exam? no Something requiring a certain rhythm? no Could he hear, see this or feel Mary‘s full stops?

GalFisk

Was Mary relevantly writing something? yes Did Noah relevantly hear or see that she was writing? yes Did she also take the same test? no Did he copy her somehow? 'no' is less misleading If he had not paid attention to her regular periods, would he: not be able to cheat? not in the same way Not be able to avoid discovery? no

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I have a feeling I saw this on an AskReddit thread also. I don't remember the exact details but I'll stay out just to be sure. You do have precedent on your side here...
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby GalFisk » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:02 am

Did he read what she wrote? Deduce what she wrote? Did she help him cheat? WAG: was she signaling him in morse code?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby biograd » Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:37 pm

Since sight rather than hearing is involved, did he see her pencil tap against the page? see her hand stop moving for a brief period of time?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby WiZ » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:48 pm

GalFisk

Did he read what she wrote? yes Deduce what she wrote? And yes Did she help him cheat? Not intentionally WAG: was she signaling him in morse code? no

Biograd

Since sight rather than hearing is involved, did he see her pencil tap against the page? no see her hand stop moving for a brief period of time? no
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:23 pm

Did she write normal writing using the alphabet? Relevant which language? Which subject? Was it musical notation? Science or mathematical equations? Relevant what subject in the exam? Was it an exam in which you sit at a desk? Was it a driving test?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby WiZ » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:04 pm

Did she write normal writing using the alphabet? yes Relevant which language? no (assume a language that uses full stops in a similar manner to English) Which subject? no Was it musical notation? no Science or mathematical equations? most likely no Relevant what subject in the exam? not really Was it an exam in which you sit at a desk? yes Was it a driving test? no
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby Hobbsicle » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:42 am

Was she writing with a pencil? On paper? With chalk on a blackboard? Marker on whiteboard? Was she the teacher? Does he see the actual writing?

Does "regular" imply that there were many sentences? That sentences were short? The same length? Is she using them as ellipses or something other than to mark the end of a sentence?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:52 am

Just to check I've understood this correctly: They were sitting at desks in an exam room, near enough to each other that he could see what words she was writing? It was relevant exactly where the full stops/periods occurred? They were regular in the sense that they were evenly spaced with the same number of words in between? Or just in the sense that they came at the end of each sentence irrespective of length? Could he see the full stops as well as hear them? Was other punctuation relevant, such as commas? Is Balin's comment, "You do have precedent on your side here" relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby WiZ » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:56 pm

Hobbsicle

Was she writing with a pencil? no On paper? yes With chalk on a blackboard? Marker on whiteboard? no to these Was she the teacher? yes Does he see the actual writing? yes

Does "regular" imply that there were many sentences? yes That sentences were short? yes The same length? more or less Is she using them as ellipses or something other than to mark the end of a sentence? no

InvisibleMimsy

Just to check I've understood this correctly: They were sitting at desks in an exam room, near enough to each other that he could see what words she was writing? yes - we may be having some issues with tense here, however It was relevant exactly where the full stops/periods occurred? yes They were regular in the sense that they were evenly spaced with the same number of words in between? no Or just in the sense that they came at the end of each sentence irrespective of length? yes, in most cases... Could he see the full stops as well as hear them? he could only see them Was other punctuation relevant, such as commas? no

Is Balin's comment, "You do have precedent on your side here" relevant? That was my response to Balin - he and I sometimes mine the same source for puzzles, and, in this case, he's probably read the same story I have :)
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby GalFisk » Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:11 pm

So he got away with looking at what she wrote? Did she intend to keep the writing secret? Did she look around to see if anyone was peeking? If so, did she only do this after finishing a sentence? So he would look away whenever she wrote a period?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby WiZ » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:54 pm

So he got away with looking at what she wrote? He was supposed to see what she had written Did she intend to keep the writing secret? no Did she look around to see if anyone was peeking? Yes (but at their neighbours, not at what she had written) If so, did she only do this after finishing a sentence? no So he would look away whenever she wrote a period? no
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:05 pm

is 'viscous' meaning 'thick' or 'sticky' relevant? did you mean 'vicious' instead?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby WiZ » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:21 pm

is 'viscous' meaning 'thick' or 'sticky' relevant? did you mean 'vicious' instead?

It was an intentional play on words, anticipating how the phrase 'Mary's regular periods' would be interpreted. But that was quite quickly laid to rest by the initial rounds of questioning. My puzzle titles usually don't hint at the solution.
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby GalFisk » Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:08 am

Did he see something he was not supposed to see? If so: text? Check marks? Movement? Did she relevantly pause while writing?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby WiZ » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:03 am

Did he see something he was not supposed to see? no If so: text? Check marks? Movement? Did she relevantly pause while writing? no

Remember, he paid close attention to what he saw. Merely seeing or noticing it would not suffice in this case.
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:11 am

Close attention: looking at details? Looking from a short distance? Looking without distractions? Thinking about what he sees? Looking with a magnifier or other optical instrument? Timing of periods relevant? Speed of writing? Did he deduce something?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby WiZ » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:04 pm

Close attention: looking at details? yesish Looking from a short distance? Looking without distractions? no to these Thinking about what he sees? yes Looking with a magnifier or other optical instrument? no Timing of periods relevant? Speed of writing? no to these Did he deduce something? yes
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle

Postby WiZ » Tue May 15, 2018 1:47 am

***** HINT/RECAP *****

Noah is a student cheating on a test, that was "written" by Mary. He is somehow able to cheat through making a deduction - he makes this deduction by carefully studying the use of periods at the end of short, regular sentences. Well, the periods at the end of most of the short, regular sentences...
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle [RECAPPED 15/05 NZST]

Postby JenBurdoo » Tue May 15, 2018 3:55 am

Ellipses relevant...?
Spaces between periods?
Are quotations relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle [RECAPPED 15/05 NZST]

Postby WiZ » Tue May 15, 2018 4:00 am

Ellipses relevant...?
Spaces between periods?
Are quotations relevant?

no to all
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle [RECAPPED 15/05 NZST]

Postby LemonCurry » Tue May 15, 2018 6:11 am

Was the text with the periods the paper with the exam questions?
Was it handwritten? typed? Relevant?
Some sentences did not end in a period, right? Was there a question mark or exclamation mark instead? Or just nothing? Did each of the short sentences form an exam question? Were those without the periods supposed to be answered differently than the others?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle [RECAPPED 15/05 NZST]

Postby peter365 » Tue May 15, 2018 2:42 pm

Was anything bullet pointed? I adhere to the rule that only the final bullet point has a full stop, relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle [RECAPPED 15/05 NZST]

Postby WiZ » Tue May 15, 2018 8:28 pm

LemonCurry

Was the text with the periods the paper with the exam questions? yes
[/b]Was it handwritten? typed? this Relevant? yes
Some sentences did not end in a period, right? Right! Was there a question mark or exclamation mark instead? no Or just nothing? yes Did each of the short sentences form an exam question? not a question Were those without the periods supposed to be answered differently than the others? no, but keep thinking along these lines

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Was anything bullet pointed? no I adhere to the rule that only the final bullet point has a full stop, relevant? No, and curious
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle [RECAPPED 15/05 NZST]

Postby Enjay » Tue May 15, 2018 8:39 pm

Had Mary copied and pasted certain sentences in from somewhere else and not added the full stops?

Should those sentences have ended with a full stop according to the usual rules of punctuation?

Are the sentences arranged in a longer paragraph of text? Is each sentence on its own as a question?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle [RECAPPED 15/05 NZST]

Postby WiZ » Tue May 15, 2018 9:12 pm

Had Mary copied and pasted certain sentences in from somewhere else and not added the full stops? Yes!

Should those sentences have ended with a full stop according to the usual rules of punctuation? yes

Are the sentences arranged in a longer paragraph of text? no! Is each sentence on its own yes! as a question? no!
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle [RECAPPED 15/05 NZST]

Postby Enjay » Tue May 15, 2018 9:37 pm

Does the test require the student to identify certain of the sentences? Do some of them have errors? Do they have to pick the ones that demonstrate a certain thing (like "pick the sentences containing adjectives" or something?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle [RECAPPED 15/05 NZST]

Postby WiZ » Tue May 15, 2018 10:28 pm

Does the test require the student to identify certain of the sentences? Do some of them have errors? no to both Do they have to pick the ones that demonstrate a certain thing Yes, to interpret this very literally (like "pick the sentences containing adjectives" or something? but nothing like this
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle [RECAPPED 15/05 NZST]

Postby LemonCurry » Wed May 16, 2018 5:58 pm

Relevant how he is cheating? Is he peeking? Using a cheat sheet? Does he have the answers to old exam questions?

The sentences: are they supposed to be continued? Translated? Classified? Marked in any way?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle [RECAPPED 15/05 NZST]

Postby WiZ » Wed May 16, 2018 8:37 pm

Relevant how he is cheating? He is studying the way periods are used or not used at the ends of sentences. Nothing more. Is he peeking? Using a cheat sheet? Does he have the answers to old exam questions? no to all

The sentences: are they supposed to be continued? no Translated? no Classified? yes, in some way Marked in any way? not as importantly as 'classified'
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle [RECAPPED 15/05 NZST]

Postby LemonCurry » Thu May 17, 2018 7:45 am

Are the sentences to be labeled yes/no or true/false, where the „false“ sentences have no periods?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle [RECAPPED 15/05 NZST]

Postby irishelk » Thu May 17, 2018 11:17 am

Are the students meant to pick out the sentences that have a certain feature? A certain construction (like passive voice)? A certain part of speech? Certain words, or words with certain origins, or meanings?

Are they supposed to identify which words are quotations? Perhaps from something else they read? And the student figures that these are the copy-pasted ones?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle [RECAPPED 15/05 NZST]

Postby WiZ » Thu May 17, 2018 8:46 pm

LemonCurry

Are the sentences to be labeled yes/no or true/false, where the „false“ sentences have no periods? No, but this is achingly close. Noah must determine between true and false sentences. One type ends in a period, and one doesn't. But it's not a 'true or false?'-style questionnaire.

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Are the students meant to pick out the sentences that have a certain feature? A certain construction (like passive voice)? A certain part of speech? Certain words, or words with certain origins, or meanings? [b]No to all - they must establish which are true and which are false. But, as above, it isn't a 'true or false?' scenario.
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Are they supposed to identify which words are quotations? no Perhaps from something else they read? n/a And the student figures that these are the copy-pasted ones? But this is Noah's realisation - some of the sentences were copy-pasted
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle [RECAPPED 15/05 NZST]

Postby LemonCurry » Fri May 18, 2018 6:21 am

Was the task something in the line of „find the statements characteristic of Cartesian Dualism“ where the Cartesian Dualist statements havebeen copied from a Cartesian Dualist book (with the periods omitted) and the false statements been added by Mary?
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Re: [WiZ] Viscous Cycle [RECAPPED 15/05 NZST]

Postby WiZ » Sun May 20, 2018 8:30 pm

Was the task something in the line of „find the statements characteristic of Cartesian Dualism“ Ah, such as one might get from an airport vending machine in Japan... where the Cartesian Dualist statements havebeen copied from a Cartesian Dualist book (with the periods omitted) and the false statements been added by Mary? This is it, in principle.

***** SPOILER *****

Noah was cheating on a multiple-choice test set by his teacher, Mary. Mary had copied and pasted the correct answer onto the exam sheet (complete with period) but added her own incorrect answers. However, she neglected to add a period at the end of the incorrect answers, and Noah was able to recognise the pattern (knowing enough of the subject to recognise that the answers he knew to be correct ended in a period). He never told Mary, who never cottoned on.


Congratulations to LemonCurry on the solution, and thank you everyone for playing and sticking this one out!
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