[Zanreo] Might want to sit down for this

[Zanreo]

Why did a picture of a man sitting cause a huge argument ending in said picture getting changed?

[invisiblemimsy]

Was he sitting on a toilet? Was the issue where he was sitting? What he was sitting on? Who he was sitting with? Was it a painting, a photograph, other? Relevant who he was? Who the artist was? Who the viewers were? Where the picture was displayed? In a gallery? Was the picture changed for another picture? Another portrait? Did the argument occur soon after the picture was displayed, or later? Was he famous, infamous?

[Doriana]

Was the man in a position of power? If so, was he a monarch? a politician? a businessman?

Was he sitting in a wheelchair?

[Zanreo]

invisiblemimsy: Was he sitting on a toilet? no Was the issue where he was sitting? no What he was sitting on?no Who he was sitting with?no Was it a painting, a photograph this, other? Relevant who he was?yes (possible FA here) Who the artist was? would be photographer in this case, but no Who the viewers were? no/noish Where the picture was displayed? Yes In a gallery? No Was the picture changed for another picture? yope Another portrait? Did the argument occur soon after the picture was displayed, or later? Later Was he famous not sure exactly how famous he's considered, seems to be somewhat well-known within what he's doing, infamous? no

Doriana: Was the man in a position of power? irrel If so, was he a monarch? a politician? a businessman?none of these

Was he sitting in a wheelchair? no

[GalFisk]

Relevant: where he was sitting? Why he was sitting? How he was sitting? What he sat on? Clothing? Was it changed to a different photo? Was it photoshopped/edited/cut?

[Zanreo]

Relevant: where he was sitting? Why he was sitting? How he was sitting? What he sat on? Clothing? none of these Was it changed to a different photo? yope Was it photoshopped/edited yes/cut? specifically this, might want to explore

[Zanreo]

Hint: There was nothing unusual/significant/inappropiate about what can be seen in the picture itself, however, like mentioned, something about "who" the man is is relevant to this

[GalFisk]

Was something relevant outside the frame of the picture when it was taken? Was the presence of something hinted at by something in the picture? Was the picture cut on the: top? Left? Right? Bottom?

[Zanreo]

Was something relevant outside the frame of the picture when it was taken? Not "when it was taken" but OTRT Was the presence of something hinted at by something in the picture?also OTRT-ish Was the picture cut on the: top? Left? Right? Bottom? all of these

[invisiblemimsy]

Did the missing portion include another person or persons? Something showing the location or setting? Was there some kind of scandal going on? Was the photo censored? Does the era, year, time, date, day matter? Was he famous, infamous, old, young, related to someone, a missing person, a criminal, Lord Lucan, fictional?

[Zanreo]

Did the missing portion include another person or persons? no Something showing the location or setting? yesish Was there some kind of scandal going on? no Was the photo censored? no Does the era, year, time, date, day matter? not really Was he famous, infamous already answered, old, young old-ish, in his 60s, related to someone no, a missing person no, a criminal no, Lord Lucan no, fictional? no

[GalFisk]

Did the photo resemble something relevant? Another photo?

[Zanreo]

Did the photo resemble something relevant? Another photo? neither of these

[Jane The Awesome]

Was the picture posed? Candid? Was the man aware at the time of the picture that he might cause an argument? Was he involved in the choice to edit it?
Is his profession relevant? Was his profession illustrated in the picture? Was the picture taken for his profession? Was it taken of him working?
Argument = the public was angry? argument between two or more people/groups?
Could the argument have been avoided if he was standing or in a different position? Could this have happened to a different person in his same profession? A random person?

[Zanreo]

Was the picture posed? likely but irrel Candid? Was the man aware at the time of the picture that he might cause an argument? Most likely not Was he involved in the choice to edit it? no
Is his profession relevant? no Was his profession illustrated in the picture? no Was the picture taken for his profession? no Was it taken of him working? no
Argument = the public was angry? no argument between two or more people/groups? yes,DOYD of "groups"
Could the argument have been avoided if he was standing a similar argument might have happened or in a different position? possibly, but hard to say... depending on the pose, similar arguments could have happened Could this have happened to a different person in his same profession? not unless they shared another relevant quality with him, profession isn't important A random person? not unless they also had a certain relevant quality, I could say though the same situation would be unlikely to happen to "a random person" for another reason

[Zanreo]

HINT: Something else than just the picture itself is relevant here

[GalFisk]

Picture frame? Placement? Did something appear to extend beyond the picture? Did he appear to be sittibg in an unfortunate place? Other pictures relevant? Was the picture on a wall?

[Zanreo]

Picture frame? I'll say DOYD of "frame" Placement? no Did something appear to extend beyond the picture? no Did he appear to be sittibg in an unfortunate place? no Other pictures relevant? no Was the picture on a wall? no

[Zanreo]

RECAP: A photo of a man sitting caused an argument between two (possibly DOYD-ish)groups, ending in the picture getting cropped.
There's nothing significant or inappropiate about the picture by itself, but something about the man is relevant. This "something" is not his job or clothing, and he's not a criminal, infamous, involved in a scandal or relevantly related to someone. The same thing could only have happened to a different person if they shared this same/a similar quality with him, and a similar argument might have happened if he was standing.
It's relevant where the picture was displayed, which was not in a gallery or hanging on a wall, and something about a DOYD-ish "picture frame" is also relevant here

[GalFisk]

Was the picture displayed in one place? In a newspaper? On the web? In an advertisement? In a public place? Was the man paid for the picture? Was the photographer?

[Zanreo]

Was the picture displayed in one place? yes In a newspaper? no On the web? yes In an advertisement? no In a public place? no, not as in an "irl" place Was the man paid for the picture? unknown and irrelWas the photographer?unknown and irrel

[Balin]

Was the picture beside a relevant advertisement? Or article?

[Zanreo]

Was the picture beside a relevant advertisement? no Or article? yes, part of an article

[trebor]

Did the combination of the picture and the article cause offense? If yes, accidentally? Did it cause offense to a minority group? Is the content of the article relevant? The headline? Is the picture related to the article? Is the picture an ad?

Is the man differently-abled? Does he have a relevant disease? Is his age relevant?

[Zanreo]

Did the combination of the picture and the article cause offense? "offense" isn't really the right word here, and it wasn't the article itself, but something combined with the picture and article caused a reaction If yes, accidentally? no, what caused a reaction was most likely put there intentionally Did it cause offense to a minority group? no Is the content of the article relevant? only in that it talks about the man in question The headline? no Is the picture related to the article? yes Is the picture an ad? no

Is the man differently-abled? Does he have a relevant disease? Is his age relevant? no to all

[wolfier]

Did the picture and its placement contradict what the article talks about the person?
Did the picture get cropped to make room for the words of the article?
Is the web site a paid site or a free site? Wikipedia? On-line store?

[Zanreo]

Did the picture and its placement contradict what the article talks about the person? no
Did the picture get cropped to make room for the words of the article? no
Is the web site a paid site or a free site? free Wikipedia? yes! On-line store?

[trebor]

Is it relevant that Wikipedia has that plea for donations on the site sometimes? Did it perhaps obfuscate a relevant part of the photo? (I can’t remember how they format the plea.)

Is the man the subject of the article? Is he using something that is? Is the subject of the article a geographic location? An ethnic group? A religion? Is the subject a tangible thing? Is it another person?

Is the something that, combined with the picture and the article, caused “offense” (for lack of a better word) related to Wikipedia? Is it a news event?

[Zanreo]

Is it relevant that Wikipedia has that plea for donations on the site sometimes? Did it perhaps obfuscate a relevant part of the photo? (I can’t remember how they format the plea.) No

Is the man the subject of the article? this, no to rest Is he using something that is? Is the subject of the article a geographic location? An ethnic group? A religion? Is the subject a tangible thing? Is it another person?

Is the something that, combined with the picture and the article, caused “offense” (for lack of a better word) related to Wikipedia? I'd say no Is it a news event? no

[trebor]

Was the man alive at the time of the argument? Was he alive when the photo was taken? Is he notable for something he did? For inventing something? For surviving something? For one specific thing? For a body of work (even though his profession is irrelevant)? For his fortune? Has he done something unusual? Does he have any relevant physical characteristics? If we heard his name would most of us on the forum know who he is? Is he thought of as a person who has had a positive influence on the world? A negative one?

[wolfier]

Is the caption of the photo relevant? is the time the picture was taken relevant?

[Zanreo]

trebor:
Was the man alive at the time of the argument? yes Was he alive when the photo was taken? yes Is he notable for something he did? yesish For inventing something? no For surviving something? no For one specific thing? no For a body of work (even though his profession is irrelevant)? yes For his fortune? Has he done something unusual? not really Does he have any relevant physical characteristics? no If we heard his name would most of us on the forum know who he is? Not sure but possibly not, I hadn't heard of him before Is he thought of as a person who has had a positive influence on the world? hmm... I'd say this to neutral, possibly A negative one?

wolfier:
Is the caption of the photo relevant? yes! is the time the picture was taken relevant? no

(whoops, forgot the earlier post first)

[trebor]

Did the caption relevantly include his name? Someone else’s name? The date? The location? Are double-meanings or wordplay relevant?

[Zanreo]

Did the caption relevantly include his name? yesSomeone else’s name? no The date? no The location? noAre double-meanings or wordplay relevant? YES

[trebor]

Is the pertinent language here English? Is either his first or last name also a word in the language being used? Is his surname a common one?

[Zanreo]

Is the pertinent language here English? yes Is either his first or last name also a word in the language being used? both, really, but mainly the last name is relevant here Is his surname a common one? hm... not sure how "common"
it is exactly, I don't think it's extremely rare?

[GalFisk]

Does the caption contain relevant words apart from his name? Does it contain a description of the photo content? Does he share a name with a object? An action?

[Zanreo]

Does the caption contain relevant words apart from his name? yes Does it contain a description of the photo content? yes Does he share a name with a object? no An action? Yes

[GalFisk]

Action: sitting? Standing? Running? Being athletic? Not sitting? Something done with tools?

[Zanreo]

Action: sitting? Standing? this! Running? Being athletic? Not sitting? so also this Something done with tools?

[biograd]

Is an alternate meaning of "stand" (other than the opposite of sitting") relevant? Like for instance to "stand for" something meaning to endorse or believe in it? Is there a contradiction between the fact that he is literally sitting in the photo, yet in the caption, he is described as "standing" in some other sense?

[Zanreo]

Is an alternate meaning of "stand" (other than the opposite of sitting") relevant? only that it's also part of his name Like for instance to "stand for" something meaning to endorse or believe in it? no Is there a contradiction between the fact that he is literally sitting in the photo, yet in the caption, he is described as "standing" in some other sense? Yesish

Now, what caused the argument, and what was it about?

[Acridian9]

If "stand" is part of his name, I'll guess his name is "Standing", and in the picture he is sitting, so the funny caption could be something like: "Here is Mr. Standing sitting on a chair". OTRT??

[GalFisk]

Was the photo cropped so that it was no longer possible to tell that he was sitting?

[Zanreo]

If "stand" is part of his name, I'll guess his name is "Standing" yes, and in the picture he is sitting, so the funny caption could be something like: "Here is Mr. Standing sitting on a chair". OTRT?? Close enough, yeah

Was the photo cropped so that it was no longer possible to tell that he was sitting? yes!

Now the one thing left is figuring out how the "argument" happened and what it was about

[GalFisk]

Did it happen in the article discussion page? Simple English wikipedia relevant? Page vandalism?

[Zanreo]

Did it happen in the article discussion page? among other places, yes Simple English wikipedia relevant? no Page vandalism? according to some, yes

[trebor]

Did someone go in and change every reference to his surname to Mr. Sitting?

[Zanreo]

Did someone go in and change every reference to his surname to Mr. Sitting? amusing idea but no

[GalFisk]

Did someone change te image caption? Repeatedly? Did multiple people change it? Was it changed in order to make a joke? Pun?

[wolfier]

when Mr. Standing was sitting, people went and tried to "correct" the caption and replaced Standing with Sitting.

Was Standing the first word of a sentence in the caption (otherwise there would be no ambiguity around whether the Capitalized word is a last name)

Did the caption just said "Standing, [some description of time/place]", e.g. 1923, at his lawn, etc?

[Zanreo]

Galfisk:
Did someone change te image caption?yes Repeatedly?yes Did multiple people change it?yes Was it changed in order to make a joke?yes Pun? specifically this

wolfier:
when Mr. Standing was sitting, people went and tried to "correct" the caption and replaced Standing with Sitting. no, not that but OTRT

Was Standing the first word of a sentence in the caption (otherwise there would be no ambiguity around whether the Capitalized word is a last name) no

Did the caption just said "Standing, [some description of time/place]", e.g. 1923, at his lawn, etc? not a description of the place/time

[GalFisk]

When the caption was vandalized, was his name changed from Standing to Sitting? Were words added to the caption? Removed? Replaced? Was the caption changed entirely? Did the pun mention the word sitting? Standing? Would it still be a pun if it didn't accompany the image of him sitting?

[wolfier]

was the caption something like, "Standing, [some context]" then, and people who tried to make a pun out of it changed it to "Standing, Sitting [some context]"? People who thinks the edit was unnecessary went and removed the "sitting" until someone stopped it by cropping the picture?

[Zanreo]

GalFisk:
When the caption was vandalized, was his name changed from Standing to Sitting? no, not this Were words added to the caption? yes Removed? no Replaced? no Was the caption changed entirely? no Did the pun mention the word sitting? yes Standing? only as his name Would it still be a pun if it didn't accompany the image of him sitting? yes but it would make more sense in context of the image

wolfier:
was the caption something like, "Standing, [some context]" then, and people who tried to make a pun out of it changed it to "Standing, Sitting [some context]"? yes, though mostly without the extra context People who thinks the edit was unnecessary went and removed the "sitting" until someone stopped it by cropping the picture? yes, exactly!



--- SPOILER ---



The Wikipedia page for economist Guy Standing used to have a picture of him sitting on a chair, which made someone change the caption of the picture (which used to be just his name) to "Guy Standing sitting" as a joke. This would usually quickly be changed back to just his name by people who felt the joke was unnecessary and not appropiate for the wiki, and there would be edit wars and discussions about whether to keep the joke (it's still descriptive of the picture since it's literally him sitting and just a harmless bit of humor) or remove it (the joke is unnecessary and unfunny, not appropiate for a wikipedia article), and the page even got edit protected a few timed. There were suggestions to change the picture just to stop the jokes, which made someone crop the photo so the chair is no longer visible - which is the current photo.

[Acridian9]

....and his name is Guy!!! ROTFL

Btw, italian Wiki page has the uncropped image.

[WiZ]

A shame he was never photographed standing in a paddock. The caption could have read 'The guy out standing in his field is Guy standing, outstanding in his field'.

[wolfier]

OMG ROFLMAO. GUY of all first names!