[Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Current and recently solved lateral thinking puzzles. Please post new lateral thinking puzzles here.

Moderators: peter365, Balin, kalira, JenBurdoo, Tiger

[Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby Nalkarj » Sun May 13, 2018 12:37 am

The Pope made a decision. A Baptist lost his job.

Pope: H/A/M

Baptist: H/A/M
Last edited by Nalkarj on Mon May 14, 2018 1:15 am, edited 2 times in total.
Nalkarj
 
Posts: 18
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:12 pm
Location: Boston, Massachusetts, USA

Re: “De Citavate Dei”

Postby Balin » Sun May 13, 2018 4:26 pm

Pope: head of the Catholic church?
Baptist: follower of that religion?
True story?
Is the Pope currently living? Is the Baptist?
Did the Baptist lose his job immediately after the decision was made? Shortly after? Days? Months? Years?
Balin
 
Posts: 6805
Joined: Fri May 23, 2014 11:12 pm
Location: Connecticut, USA

Re: “De Citavate Dei”

Postby Nalkarj » Sun May 13, 2018 4:45 pm

Pope: head of the Catholic church? Yes
Baptist: follower of that religion? Yes
True story? Yes
Is the Pope currently living? No Is the Baptist? Yes
Did the Baptist lose his job immediately after the decision was made? Shortly after? This. Days? Months? Years?

I should probably have done that “beware of Google and early spoiler” bit…
Nalkarj
 
Posts: 18
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:12 pm
Location: Boston, Massachusetts, USA

Re: [Nalkarj] “De Citavate Dei”

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun May 13, 2018 9:20 pm

Does it matter which Pope it was, if so [list of Popes]
Could it have been any Baptist? Was it a Baptist minister, or just a rank and file Baptist? Was the Baptist famous, or did he become so after this happened?
Did the Pope make his decision Ex Cathedra, or not?
Child abuse within the Catholic church relevant? Other scandal?
User avatar
invisiblemimsy
 
Posts: 1465
Joined: Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:16 pm
Location: Scotland

Re: [Nalkarj] “De Citavate Dei”

Postby Nalkarj » Mon May 14, 2018 1:13 am

Does it matter which Pope it was, if so [list of Popes] Yes. John Paul II.
Could it have been any Baptist? It’s a specific person, but not someone famous or particularly important. Was it a Baptist minister, or just a rank and file Baptist? This. Was the Baptist famous, or did he become so after this happened? No.
Did the Pope make his decision Ex Cathedra, or not? He did not.
Child abuse within the Catholic church relevant? Other scandal? Child abuse not relevant, and no scandal.
Nalkarj
 
Posts: 18
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:12 pm
Location: Boston, Massachusetts, USA

Re: [Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon May 14, 2018 7:16 pm

Is this to do with contraception, abortion, differences between the Catholic and Protestant religion? To do with the Baptist tradition as opposed to other protestants? Is it to do with the book of the same name? The old testament, new testament, apocrypha?
User avatar
invisiblemimsy
 
Posts: 1465
Joined: Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:16 pm
Location: Scotland

Re: [Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby Nalkarj » Mon May 14, 2018 9:58 pm

Is this to do with contraception, abortion, differences between the Catholic and Protestant religion? To do with the Baptist tradition as opposed to other protestants? Is it to do with the book of the same name? The old testament, new testament, apocrypha?

No to all. No doctrinal questions, no religious disputes. Hardly anything to do with religion except for the individuals involved, in fact. (How’s that for assonance? “Individuals involved, in fact.” :D)
Nalkarj
 
Posts: 18
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:12 pm
Location: Boston, Massachusetts, USA

Re: [Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby JenBurdoo » Tue May 15, 2018 3:57 am

Had the Baptist been Catholic, then converted to Baptism?

Was the Baptist a writer? Is his profession relevant? His nationality?

Did the Pope announce his decision? In a Papal Bull?
JenBurdoo
 
Posts: 1630
Joined: Fri May 23, 2014 11:12 pm
Location: Florida, USA

Re: [Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby Nalkarj » Tue May 15, 2018 12:06 pm

Had the Baptist been Catholic, then converted to Baptism? No.

Was the Baptist a writer? He…wrote often for someone else, but his job description wouldn’t be “writer.” Is his profession relevant? Yes, though the Pope’s decision affected other professions. His nationality? Yope.

Did the Pope announce his decision? In a Papal Bull? Not exactly in a bull—it’s an enforcement of old Church doctrine that had been lax for several years.
Nalkarj
 
Posts: 18
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:12 pm
Location: Boston, Massachusetts, USA

Re: [Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby peter365 » Tue May 15, 2018 2:43 pm

Eating meat on a Friday relevant?
User avatar
peter365
 
Posts: 1723
Joined: Mon May 26, 2014 9:26 am
Location: Dublin, Ireland

Re: [Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby Nalkarj » Thu May 17, 2018 1:40 am

Eating meat on a Friday relevant? Good thinking, but not at all. :)
Nalkarj
 
Posts: 18
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:12 pm
Location: Boston, Massachusetts, USA

Re: [Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby peter365 » Mon May 21, 2018 3:27 pm

Is attending mass relevant? Indulgences ? First Fridays? Commandments relevant?
User avatar
peter365
 
Posts: 1723
Joined: Mon May 26, 2014 9:26 am
Location: Dublin, Ireland

Re: [Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby Nalkarj » Thu May 24, 2018 1:27 am

Is attending mass relevant? Indulgences ? First Fridays? Commandments relevant? No to all. Catholic (or Baptist) doctrine isn’t relevant—the Pope’s decision here was mainly practical, not doctrinal.
Nalkarj
 
Posts: 18
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:12 pm
Location: Boston, Massachusetts, USA

Re: [Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby markobr » Sat Jun 30, 2018 4:33 pm

Did the Baptist work for the Catholic church? For Vatican City? A Catholic organisation? Individual catholics? For some business that was a supplier of the Catholic church or their organisations? A supplier of Vatican City?

Is the Baptist a lawyer? A journalist?
markobr
 
Posts: 79
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:15 pm

Re: [Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby Nalkarj » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:37 pm

Did the Baptist work for the Catholic church? No. For Vatican City? No. A Catholic organisation? Yopeish-to-noexplore. Individual catholics? Yes. For some business that was a supplier of the Catholic church or their organisations? No. A supplier of Vatican City? No.

Is the Baptist a lawyer? No. A journalist? Yope—he’s written articles but is not a professional journalist.
Nalkarj
 
Posts: 18
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:12 pm
Location: Boston, Massachusetts, USA

Re: [Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby irishelk » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:40 pm

Did the Pope's decision involve an organization the Baptist worked for? Did it make the organization Catholic in some sense? Or not Catholic? Did his employer relevantly agree with the Pope's decision? Or disagree?

Was the Baptist fired? Did he resign? Was he made redundant/laid off? Did the Pope's decision encourage or require certain Catholic employers to hire only Catholic employees?
User avatar
irishelk
 
Posts: 1689
Joined: Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:25 am
Location: Washington DC-ish

Re: [Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby Acridian9 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:12 pm

When the Baptist lost his job, was the Pope still alive?
Did the Baptist work as an entertainer? in TV? radio? Did he work on specific days of the week? On Saturday? Sunday? Is his job related to religion?
Did he lost his job for something he said? wrote?
Acridian9
 
Posts: 1434
Joined: Wed May 06, 2015 7:43 pm
Location: Pisa, Italy

Re: [Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby Nalkarj » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:11 am

irishelk wrote:Did the Pope's decision involve an organization the Baptist worked for? Yes. Did it make the organization Catholic in some sense? Or not Catholic? Not Catholic. Did his employer relevantly agree with the Pope's decision? Or disagree? Only tangentially relevant… The employer did comply with the decision, however, even if he did not necessarily agree.

Was the Baptist fired? Did he resign? Was he made redundant/laid off? No. Did the Pope's decision encourage or require certain Catholic employers to hire only Catholic employees? No.


Acridian9 wrote:When the Baptist lost his job, was the Pope still alive? Yes.
Did the Baptist work as an entertainer? in TV? radio? Did he work on specific days of the week? On Saturday? Sunday? Is his job related to religion?
Did he lost his job for something he said? wrote? No to all.
Nalkarj
 
Posts: 18
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:12 pm
Location: Boston, Massachusetts, USA

Re: [Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby irishelk » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:02 pm

Did the job itself disappear as a result of the decision? Did the company go under? Did the decision make it more advantageous for a Catholic to work this job? Or someone of another faith? Did it allow Catholics to do a job that they couldn't before?

Does the baptist work in a medical field? Is his "job" a regular employment--does he go to a workplace? Get a paycheck? Have a boss?

If he hadn't been baptist, would he have lost his job?
User avatar
irishelk
 
Posts: 1689
Joined: Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:25 am
Location: Washington DC-ish

Re: [Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby trebor » Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:21 am

Did he lose his job because his workplace shut down? Relocated? Was he unhappy to lose his job?
trebor
 
Posts: 487
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:23 am
Location: Canada

Re: [Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby Acridian9 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:03 am

Latin language relevant? Aultery? Contraceptive measures?
Acridian9
 
Posts: 1434
Joined: Wed May 06, 2015 7:43 pm
Location: Pisa, Italy

Re: [Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby Nalkarj » Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:47 pm

Sorry again for nor responding sooner, everyone…

irishelk wrote:Did the job itself disappear as a result of the decision? Yes! Did the company go under? No. Did the decision make it more advantageous for a Catholic to work this job? Or someone of another faith? Did it allow Catholics to do a job that they couldn't before? No to all.

Does the baptist work in a medical field? No. Is his "job" a regular employment--does he go to a workplace? Get a paycheck? Have a boss? Yes to all.

If he hadn't been baptist, would he have lost his job? Yes.


trebor wrote:Did he lose his job because his workplace shut down? Yes. Relocated? No. Was he unhappy to lose his job? Irrel.


Acridian9 wrote:Latin language relevant? Adultery? Contraceptive measures? No to all.
Nalkarj
 
Posts: 18
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:12 pm
Location: Boston, Massachusetts, USA

Re: [Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby irishelk » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:42 pm

Were the Baptist's customers/clients before he lost his job Catholic? Were his co-workers? His boss(es)? Was he a speechwriter? Did he write reports? Letters? Articles?

Did everyone with his job lose it? Or many others with his job? Was there no business for his workplace? Would they be frowned upon if they continued doing business?

Did the pope's decision involve something the pope himself would be doing? Did it discourage or forbid Catholics from doing anything? Did it involve a holiday?
User avatar
irishelk
 
Posts: 1689
Joined: Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:25 am
Location: Washington DC-ish

Re: [Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby Nalkarj » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:14 pm

irishelk wrote:Were the Baptist's customers/clients before he lost his job Catholic? Depending on how you define “customers/clients,” yes… Were his co-workers? Irrel. His boss(es)? Yes! Was he a speechwriter? Not exactly, but close enough. Did he write reports? Letters? Yes to both. Articles? Not until after he lost this job.

Did everyone with his job lose it? Everyone who worked in the office with him, yes. Or many others with his job? Was there no business for his workplace? No, there would have still been business. Would they be frowned upon if they continued doing business? Yes, but by a certain person…

Did the pope's decision involve something the pope himself would be doing? No. Did it discourage or forbid Catholics from doing anything? Yes! Did it involve a holiday? No.
Nalkarj
 
Posts: 18
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:12 pm
Location: Boston, Massachusetts, USA

Re: [Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby Acridian9 » Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:58 pm

Advertising relevant?
Acridian9
 
Posts: 1434
Joined: Wed May 06, 2015 7:43 pm
Location: Pisa, Italy

Re: [Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby irishelk » Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:32 pm

Did the pope decide that hiring someone to do what he did was immoral? Did he ghostwrite for Catholic employers?
User avatar
irishelk
 
Posts: 1689
Joined: Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:25 am
Location: Washington DC-ish

Re: [Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby Nalkarj » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:12 pm

Acridian9 wrote:Advertising relevant? No.


irishelk wrote:Did the pope decide that hiring someone to do what he did was immoral? No, but close… Did he ghostwrite for Catholic employers? He [the Baptist] probably did, but that was not his main job. Again, very close.
Nalkarj
 
Posts: 18
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:12 pm
Location: Boston, Massachusetts, USA

Re: [Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby trebor » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:04 am

Was the workplace religious in nature? Was it a secular business that just happened to be run by Catholics? Was it in the hospitality industry?

Did he, as the main function of his job, do something that his bosses couldn’t do because they were Catholic? And the pope then decreed that Catholics also shouldn’t employ people to do it?
trebor
 
Posts: 487
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:23 am
Location: Canada

Re: [Nalkarj] De Civitate Dei

Postby Acridian9 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:15 am

Was the Pope's decision about: women? young people? workers? employers? another catergory of people? the (Christian/Catholic) society as a whole?

The Baptist's job: did the Pope think it was useless? dangerous? immoral? Is he trying to protect the clients? the workers? the employers?
Acridian9
 
Posts: 1434
Joined: Wed May 06, 2015 7:43 pm
Location: Pisa, Italy


Return to Active Lateral Thinking Puzzles

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests