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[WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby WiZ » Mon May 14, 2018 11:50 pm

Athole, a 13-year-old, moves to a small town with his family and starts a new life at a new school.

He is very shy and doesn't make friends for months. Nobody knows where he lives, and, as he rarely leaves the house, people never see him outside of school. He is too young to work, has joined no clubs or interest groups, and the wider community basically have no idea he exists. His house is remote and has no internet connection.

One day, a petty theft is committed at his school. Athole was seen in the area at the time. He is called in to be interrogated and his character is questioned, but nobody, not even his teachers or classmates, can offer much evidence one way or another.

Things are looking grim, but then a boy (who is not a classmate) steps forward.

He says, 'Look, I barely know this guy. Never really talked to him, in fact, I only really know his name. But, I can say with reasonable confidence that he can be trusted'.

How did he know?


BOATS. Non Caveat Earlispoilor.
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby LemonCurry » Tue May 15, 2018 5:01 am

Can we call the other boy Jack? Does Jack know the real thief?

Is Athole‘s name relevant? Relevant what was stolen? Does Jack think someone named Athole would not have stolen such a thing?

Is lisping relevant, in any way?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby Earnest » Tue May 15, 2018 6:47 am

Did anyone report the theft? Was it stolen something belonging to the school? To a student?

I like Jack...so if allowed I'll continue on that line...can we assume that jack seen Athole for the first time when he entered the room with teachers? Jack aaid that Athole could be trusted right? So Athole, who was able to speak (to be sure), asserted to not have commited the theft right? Did he specifically said that he did not even find himself in the nearby? That he was in the nearby to do sonething else? Relevant? If so, "nearby" = inside of the school? Outside? near the bathroom? Near the lockers? Near a class? Near a lab? An office? Near a showcase? Was the theft committed toward a classmate of Athole? A book? Something to eat? Did Jack know something relevant about Athole? If an object had been stolen, was it found? If so by Jack?

Did jack know//suspect who was guilty? Was the object been stolen the same day Athole had been interrogated and Jack said the sentence? Were the bag and the locker of Athole relevantly checked? Is it relevant that Athole was new? That he is shy? Had the stolen object been hidden somewhere in the school? Somewhere else?

Did Jack step in as soon as he saw Athole in the room been interrogated? Did he wait until a particular question jas been made? Until Athole answered? Relevant? Did he want to be sure about something? (E.g. that Athole has some missing teeth...something simikar...)Can Jack be trusted as well?

Is it mostly relevant that he had no internet connection? That his house is remote? That he is shy? That he knew nobody? That he is 13 y.o.? Is a girl involved? Is it the first theft in the school?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby trebor » Tue May 15, 2018 7:07 am

I always get confused about this. Does “caveat earlispoilor” mean “please don’t spoyle this early”? So this would mean, “go ahead if you have a guess”?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby WiZ » Tue May 15, 2018 7:18 am

Yes and yes, Trebor (I don't think I ever actually explained what it meant)

Will answer all questions when not on phone :)
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby trebor » Tue May 15, 2018 6:58 pm

Is Athole a HM? Is he a fish? A dog? Is he able to speak? Is there any relevant reason besides his shyness and the remoteness of his house that he doesn’t make friends?

Did Jack commit the theft? Did he know of any relevant disabilities that would’ve prevented Athole from thieving? Is it relevant precisely what was stolen?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby WiZ » Tue May 15, 2018 10:25 pm

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Can we call the other boy Jack? Sure Does Jack know the real thief? no

Is Athole‘s name relevant? yesish Relevant what was stolen? no Does Jack think someone named Athole would not have stolen such a thing? no

Is lisping relevant, in any way? no

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I like Jack...so if allowed I'll continue on that line...can we assume that jack seen Athole for the first time when he entered the room with teachers? It's possible that Jack had never seen his face, but he would have to at least recognise that Athole was in front of him Jack aaid that Athole could be trusted right? right So Athole, who was able to speak (to be sure) yes, asserted to not have commited the theft right? yes Did he specifically said that he did not even find himself in the nearby? no That he was in the nearby to do sonething else? no Relevant? no If so, "nearby" = inside of the school? Outside? near the bathroom? Near the lockers? Near a class? Near a lab? An office? Near a showcase? n/a to these Was the theft committed toward a classmate of Athole? irrelevant A book? Something to eat? irrel to both Did Jack know something relevant about Athole? yes If an object had been stolen, was it found? If so by Jack? irrelevant to both

Did jack know//suspect who was guilty? no Was the object been stolen the same day Athole had been interrogated and Jack said the sentence? assume yes Were the bag and the locker of Athole relevantly checked? no Is it relevant that Athole was new? No (although if he had been better established, it is likely someone would be able to attest to his good character) That he is shy? no, as above Had the stolen object been hidden somewhere in the school? Somewhere else? irrel to both

Did Jack step in as soon as he saw Athole in the room been interrogated? no Did he wait until a particular question jas been made? Until Athole answered? Relevant? Did he want to be sure about something? (E.g. that Athole has some missing teeth...something simikar...) no Can Jack be trusted as well? Yes, he is honest and reliable

Is it mostly relevant that he had no internet connection? That his house is remote? That he is shy? That he knew nobody? That he is 13 y.o.? These are all relevant contributing factors Is a girl involved? no Is it the first theft in the school? not relevantly

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Is Athole a HM? Yes to both, and 13 in human years Is he a fish? A dog? no to both Is he able to speak? yes Is there any relevant reason besides his shyness and the remoteness of his house that he doesn’t make friends? no

Did Jack commit the theft? no Did he know of any relevant disabilities that would’ve prevented Athole from thieving? no Is it relevant precisely what was stolen? no
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby Earnest » Wed May 16, 2018 6:50 am

Is what Jack knows about Athole evident at a first glance? Could have been known to anybody who have seen Athole for the first time? Is Athole's religion/culture relevant? Is Athole a foreigner? Could Athole have told a lie? Had Athole told a lie, would Jack have known not stepping in or stepping into the room and telling anyone that Athole told a lie?

Are Athole's parents (had he got parents?) relevantly present when he was interrogated? Is Jack telling to trust him basing on a visible/tangible evidence? If so, is that evidence on Athole's body? (A tattoo/his hair cut...I'm thinking about the fact that Athole could have been a shaolin monk apprentice xD)

Relevant the reason why Athole moved? From where he moved? "He can be trusted" = "it was physically impossibke that he had stolen the object"? "It is certain that he is telling the truth when asserting his innocence"? "There is no way he could tell lies in general"?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby peter365 » Wed May 16, 2018 7:54 am

Do we need to establish exactly what was stolen? money? food? some school equipement? Books? a piece of technology? Something that would make no sense to steal if one did not have any internet connection?

Was the item stolen secured? In a locker? a safe? password or keypad protected? Alarmed? Did the real thief show some ingenuity in committing the crime? Some knowledge or skill that Athole would be unlikely to have?

I'd imagine 13 year olds would have a field day with a name like Athole? Has he been teased and bullied because of his name? Do they call him A$$hole?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby wwhere » Wed May 16, 2018 1:58 pm

Is religion relevant? Could Athole be Amish?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby trebor » Wed May 16, 2018 6:26 pm

Does Athole relevantly perform some activity that keeps him at home, such that Jack knows he can be trusted by virtue of his not shirking that responsibility?

Is Athole’s clothing relevant? Does he have any siblings? Is his surname of importance? Has he always been this shy, even when living elsewhere?
Does everybody else in this new town have the internet? Is the time period relevant? Relevant the time of year?

Is puberty/voice-changing relevant to this puzzle?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby WiZ » Wed May 16, 2018 11:01 pm

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Is what Jack knows about Athole evident at a first glance? no Could have been known to anybody who have seen Athole for the first time? no Is Athole's religion/culture relevant? no Is Athole a foreigner? irrel Could Athole have told a lie? yes Had Athole told a lie, would Jack have known not stepping in or stepping into the room and telling anyone that Athole told a lie? I don't understand the question 100%, but this isn't key to the solution, in any event

Are Athole's parents (had he got parents?) relevantly present when he was interrogated? no Is Jack telling to trust him basing on a visible/tangible evidence? yes If so, is that evidence on Athole's body? no (A tattoo/his hair cut...I'm thinking about the fact that Athole could have been a shaolin monk apprentice xD) No, but very lateral!

Relevant the reason why Athole moved? From where he moved? no to these "He can be trusted" = "it was physically impossibke that he had stolen the object"? "It is certain that he is telling the truth when asserting his innocence"? "There is no way he could tell lies in general"? None of these - Jack isn't absolving Athole of guilt outright - he is just attesting to Athole's honesty in general

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Do we need to establish exactly what was stolen? no money? food? some school equipement? Books? a piece of technology? Something that would make no sense to steal if one did not have any internet connection? n/a to all

Was the item stolen secured? In a locker? a safe? password or keypad protected? Alarmed? irrel to all Did the real thief show some ingenuity in committing the crime? not relevantly Some knowledge or skill that Athole would be unlikely to have? no

I'd imagine 13 year olds would have a field day with a name like Athole? I imagine they would, too, but irrelevant Has he been teased and bullied because of his name? Do they call him A$$hole? Probably, but irrelevant

When I was on a tour of the South Island back in 2008, I stopped at a small inland town named Athole for a milkshake. Everyone was very friendly. Quite a misleadingly-named town.

Wwhere

Is religion relevant? no, but Could Athole be Amish? Most probably not

Trebor

Does Athole relevantly perform some activity that keeps him at home, such that Jack knows he can be trusted by virtue of his not shirking that responsibility? no

Is Athole’s clothing relevant? no Does he have any siblings? Not strictly relevant, but it is more likely he doesn't than he does Is his surname of importance? no Has he always been this shy, even when living elsewhere? yes
Does everybody else in this new town have the internet? assume yes Is the time period relevant? broadly Relevant the time of year? no

Is puberty/voice-changing relevant to this puzzle? no
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby Earnest » Thu May 17, 2018 7:10 am

Jack = HCM student at the same school of Athole right? Is there any evidence which made Jack assert Athole's innocence? I mean evidence of laid by the thief? Or an evidence that was evident even in the moment that Athole was interrogated?


In the place where the theft had been committed? Is the culture/religion of the place where Athole moved relevant? Do dishonest new people in town behave differently? Had Athole done solething honest previously and Jack was witness? Did jack relevantly know Athole's name? Is Athole's name relevant (e.g. Jack saw his name written somewhere relevantly? In a register/in a place where usually people or children do not write their names but Athole did? Athole defended Jack in the past? )? Is a past action of Athole relevant? Does the puzzle work even assuming that jack had never seen Athole in the past? Relevant how jack knew Athole's name?

"He can be trusted" = in that specific situation? In general? Had Athole done an "honesty gesture/act"? In the school? Outside? He did not take advantage of a certain situation? (E.g. of the fact of being new?) He did not take advantage of a situation even if he could (e.g. he was so shy that he did not even exploit free wi-fi spot...)?



Had Athole been transferred in a particular school? E.g. a male school? A school with very few children? An african school? Has Athole a relevant physical charachteristic?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby LemonCurry » Thu May 17, 2018 7:28 am

Is Athole‘s family background relevant? Are they rich? Does Jack think someone so reclusive must live in that castle up the hill? That someone with such a name must have nobles for parents? Or celebrities?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby Enjay » Thu May 17, 2018 9:26 am

Is it relevant that Athole is an uncommon name? That it may be unclear whether it refers to a boy or a girl? Could this puzzle work if Athole was called something other than Athole?

Not sure if this has been established - did Athole in fact commit the theft?

Does Jack think he can be trusted because Athole has told the truth at a relevant point in the past? Because he had failed to be tempted into doing something dishonest? Because he introduced himself as Athole instead of pretending he had a different name?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby WiZ » Thu May 17, 2018 9:13 pm

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Jack = HCM student at the same school of Athole right? yes Is there any evidence which made Jack assert Athole's innocence? No; remember, Jack doesn't know that Athole is innocent, merely that he is overall an honest person I mean evidence of laid by the thief? no Or an evidence that was evident even in the moment that Athole was interrogated? no

In the place where the theft had been committed? no (assuming you're still talking about evidence, as above) Is the culture/religion of the place where Athole moved relevant? no Do dishonest new people in town behave differently? Possibly, but irrelevant Had Athole done solething honest previously and Jack was witness? Yes! Did jack relevantly know Athole's name? yes Is Athole's name relevant yes (e.g. Jack saw his name written somewhere relevantly? and yes! In a register/in a place where usually people or children do not write their names but Athole did? Arguably yes, but that might mislead Athole defended Jack in the past? no )? Is a past action of Athole relevant? Yesish, DOYD of 'action' Does the puzzle work even assuming that jack had never seen Athole in the past? yes Relevant how jack knew Athole's name? yes

"He can be trusted" = in that specific situation? In general? this Had Athole done an "honesty gesture/act"? yes In the school? Outside? this He did not take advantage of a certain situation? yes (E.g. of the fact of being new?) although no to your example He did not take advantage of a situation even if he could (e.g. he was so shy that he did not even exploit free wi-fi spot...)? Yes, very much along these lines - although it couldn't be attributed to shyness

Had Athole been transferred in a particular school? not relevantly E.g. a male school? A school with very few children? An african school? All of these are possible Has Athole a relevant physical charachteristic? no

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Is Athole‘s family background relevant? no Are they rich? probably not Does Jack think someone so reclusive must live in that castle up the hill? no That someone with such a name must have nobles for parents? Or celebrities? no to these

Enjay

Is it relevant that Athole is an uncommon name? Yes, and this is the extent of the relevance of the name (other than it being relatively short) That it may be unclear whether it refers to a boy or a girl? no Could this puzzle work if Athole was called something other than Athole? Yes

Not sure if this has been established - did Athole in fact commit the theft? irrelevant, but assume no - he's suffered enough with that name

Does Jack think he can be trusted because Athole has told the truth at a relevant point in the past? no Because he had failed to be tempted into doing something dishonest? yes! Because he introduced himself as Athole instead of pretending he had a different name? no
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby LemonCurry » Fri May 18, 2018 6:26 am

Has Jack relevantly seen or heard Athole‘s name before in a different context? Has he read or heard of someone named Athole having done a good deed? Or having avoided a bad deed? And Jack thinks it must be the same Athole as there is certainly no other Athole in town?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby Earnest » Fri May 18, 2018 7:30 am

So...had Jack not seen "Athole"'s name outside the school he could not have concluded about his honesty right?

To be sure...did he write himself his name? If so...:
Was Athole supposed to put his name on a paper? Was him supposed to write his name? Was Athole's name written by hand? Written with his adress(to be identified by someone)? Was Athole guilty about something and put his name on a piece of paper to say that he was guilty? Could he take advantage about the fact that nobody knew his name in town but did not?

Did he damage someone? Could he have damaged someone by not putting his name somewhere? Damage = physical damage?
Advantage that he could have received = not paying for something? Not being caught?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby peter365 » Fri May 18, 2018 8:55 am

Has Athole used his real name in some situtation where the other kids would use a username? Has Jack invited a group to commit some offence and Athole was the only one who declined and becuase he used his real name Jack knew that he was honest?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby trebor » Fri May 18, 2018 4:11 pm

Are exams/school assignments relevant? Did J see A’s name on one of those? Did Athole have the chance to cheat on one?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby WiZ » Sun May 20, 2018 8:41 pm

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Has Jack relevantly seen or heard Athole‘s name before in a different context? yes Has he read or heard of someone named Athole having done a good deed? no Or having avoided a bad deed? no And Jack thinks it must be the same Athole as there is certainly no other Athole in town? But he does apply this logic

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So...had Jack not seen "Athole"'s name outside the school he could not have concluded about his honesty right? Correct

To be sure...did he write himself his name? yes If so...:
Was Athole supposed to put his name on a paper? no Was him supposed to write his name? He wasn't obliged to, but it wasn't surprising that he did Was Athole's name written by hand? no Written with his adress(to be identified by someone)? no Was Athole guilty about something and put his name on a piece of paper to say that he was guilty? no Could he take advantage about the fact that nobody knew his name in town but did not? no

Did he damage someone? no Could he have damaged someone by not putting his name somewhere? no Damage = physical damage? n/a
Advantage that he could have received = not paying for something? Not being caught? neither of these

Peter

Has Athole used his real name in some situtation where the other kids would use a username? Yes! Has Jack invited a group to commit some offence and Athole was the only one who declined and becuase he used his real name Jack knew that he was honest? no

Trebor

Are exams/school assignments relevant? no Did J see A’s name on one of those? Did Athole have the chance to cheat on one? n/a to both

Good questions all around.
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Mon May 21, 2018 4:02 am

Are Athole and Jack Facebook friends? Otherwise linked on social media? If so, a school-related social media? A chat group? Is it linked to some sort of school-related program? (online classes relevant?)

Or do they play some kind of online game together? MMORPG? And the crime occurred at a time where Athole was playing the game/chatting (with Jack?) and so couldn't have done it? (Apologies if any of these have already been answered, I've come to this late.)
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby WiZ » Mon May 21, 2018 8:39 pm

Are Athole and Jack Facebook friends? no Otherwise linked on social media? no If so, a school-related social media? A chat group? Is it linked to some sort of school-related program? (online classes relevant?) n/a to all

Or do they play some kind of online game together? no, but very much ORT - remember that Athole has no internet connection MMORPG? no And the crime occurred at a time where Athole was playing the game/chatting (with Jack?) and so couldn't have done it? (Apologies if any of these have already been answered, I've come to this late.) no - Athole was seen in the area at the time.
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby Enjay » Mon May 21, 2018 9:04 pm

Did Athole say/write something that could get him in trouble? Could be controversial? Could turn other kids against him? But did it under his own name, which shows he is honest?
Did they play a non-online game together? Did Athole write something relevant in a non-online place? Did he write into a newspaper? Did the relevant writing happen while Athole was at school?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby WiZ » Mon May 21, 2018 9:14 pm

Did Athole say/write something that could get him in trouble? Could be controversial? Could turn other kids against him? no to all But did it under his own name, which shows he is honest? n/a
Did they play a non-online game together? Yesish! Explore. Did Athole write something relevant in a non-online place? yes Did he write into a newspaper? no Did the relevant writing happen while Athole was at school? no
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby LemonCurry » Wed May 23, 2018 2:58 pm

Has Jack seen Athole‘s name on a highscore list?
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Postby WiZ » Wed May 23, 2018 8:33 pm

Has Jack seen Athole‘s name on a highscore list? No, but exlpore this line of thinking
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby Enjay » Wed May 23, 2018 8:44 pm

Had Athole played a relevant game at some point? Had Jack played the same game? Had they played it together? Against one another?

Did Athole at some point resist the opportunity to cheat on a game?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby WiZ » Wed May 23, 2018 8:54 pm

Had Athole played a relevant game at some point? Yes (note: the specific game is not relevant) Had Jack played the same game? Yes Had they played it together? no Against one another? no

Did Athole at some point resist the opportunity to cheat on a game? No, but very much OTRT
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby Enjay » Wed May 23, 2018 8:57 pm

Is Jack's name displayed somewhere in a similar way to Athole's? Is a username or pseudonym representing Jack displayed?

Does Athole's name being written indicate that Athole played the game? That he did well or badly at it? Was writing his name part of the game?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby WiZ » Wed May 23, 2018 9:05 pm

Is Jack's name displayed somewhere in a similar way to Athole's? Yes Is a username or pseudonym representing Jack displayed? no

Does Athole's name being written indicate that Athole played the game? Yes That he did well or badly at it? You could say it was a measure of his performance Was writing his name part of the game? It was not part of the gameplay or story
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby Zanreo » Wed May 23, 2018 9:12 pm

Arcade highscores? (even though they often just use 3 letters) A high-score table of some kind?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby WiZ » Wed May 23, 2018 9:17 pm

Arcade highscores? (even though they often just use 3 letters) A high-score table of some kind? No to both
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby Enjay » Wed May 23, 2018 9:20 pm

Was Athole's name in some kind of list? Ranking?
Was Athole's honesty indicated by the fact that he played the game? By the fact that he wrote his name? By the fact that he wrote his real name and not a fake one? Is some kind of honour system relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby WiZ » Wed May 23, 2018 9:28 pm

Was Athole's name in some kind of list? noish Ranking? no
Was Athole's honesty indicated by the fact that he played the game? By the fact that he wrote his name? By the fact that he wrote his real name and not a fake one? no to all Is some kind of honour system relevant? yes
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby Enjay » Wed May 23, 2018 9:32 pm

Is payment for something relevant? For the game? Did Athole write his name down to indicate he owed money?
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Postby WiZ » Wed May 23, 2018 9:32 pm

Is payment for something relevant? For the game? Did Athole write his name down to indicate he owed money? No to all
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby LemonCurry » Thu May 24, 2018 5:28 am

Was it a video game? Has Athole borrowed it from a library? Or rent it out from a video store? Was Athole one of the few people to resist the temptation of pirate copying it? If so, could Jack tell from the time Athole had the game in possession? Did he have it unusually long? Or repeatedly?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby GalFisk » Thu May 24, 2018 7:30 am

Was it a game where you need to indicate/admit that you lost? Such as airsoft?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby WiZ » Thu May 24, 2018 8:38 pm

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Was it a video game? yes Has Athole borrowed it from a library? Or rent it out from a video store? this (although either scenario would probably work) Was Athole one of the few people to resist the temptation of pirate copying it? no If so, could Jack tell from the time Athole had the game in possession? n/a Did he have it unusually long? Or repeatedly? Athole relevantly rented this game repeatedly over a long period of time

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Was it a game where you need to indicate/admit that you lost? Such as airsoft? no
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby Enjay » Thu May 24, 2018 8:43 pm

Did Athole rent the game repeatedly so that he could finish it? Could play it multiple times? Try to beat his score? Did his rentals follow on from one another or were there gaps in between?
Was his honesty related to the fact that he rented it several times rather than just once? The fact that he did that instead of just keeping it for longer? The fact that he rented it instead of buying it?

Is the cost of renting the game relevant? Late fees?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby WiZ » Thu May 24, 2018 8:50 pm

Did Athole rent the game repeatedly so that he could finish it? yes Could play it multiple times? no Try to beat his score? no Did his rentals follow on from one another or were there gaps in between? There were probably small gaps in between
Was his honesty related to the fact that he rented it several times rather than just once? yesThe fact that he did that instead of just keeping it for longer? no The fact that he rented it instead of buying it? no - although, had he bought it outright, Jack would have no way of knowing that he was honest

Is the cost of renting the game relevant? no Late fees? no
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby Enjay » Thu May 24, 2018 8:55 pm

Is there a quick but somehow dishonest way to finish the game? By using cheat codes or similar? Which Athole clearly didn't do since he rented it several times to finish it?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby WiZ » Thu May 24, 2018 8:56 pm

Is there a quick but somehow dishonest way to finish the game? By using cheat codes or similar? Which Athole clearly didn't do since he rented it several times to finish it? irrel to all
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby Enjay » Thu May 24, 2018 9:04 pm

Did Jack rent the same game? Was Athole's name written somewhere in the game? Or did Jack see Athole's name at the video store on a list of rentals?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby WiZ » Thu May 24, 2018 9:11 pm

Did Jack rent the same game? Yes! Was Athole's name written somewhere in the game? yes Or did Jack see Athole's name at the video store on a list of rentals? no

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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby Enjay » Thu May 24, 2018 9:15 pm

Was Athole's name written multiple times in the game representing all the times he had rented it?

Did his name being written show how far he had got in the game? What score he had received?

If Athole had not been honest, would he have rented the game at all? Once? Several times? Would he have written his name in the game? Once? Several times? Would he have written something other than his real name?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby WiZ » Thu May 24, 2018 9:20 pm

Was Athole's name written multiple times in the game It had been written in the game multiple times (but not necessarily concurrently) representing all the times he had rented it? Each time he rented the game, his name would be written on it

Did his name being written show how far he had got in the game? yes What score he had received? no

If Athole had not been honest, would he have rented the game at all? Once? Several times? This would have been unlikely to change Would he have written his name in the game? yes Once? no! Several times? Yes! Would he have written something other than his real name? no
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby trebor » Fri May 25, 2018 3:06 am

If Athole has used a different name for all of his lower achievements (or, like, lower levels of accomplishment) and used his real name only when he beat the game, would that have appeared dishonest? Or perhaps you can go in there and erase your other achievements from the list each subsequent time you play? Making it appear you’re better than you are, in that you don’t need to play for long to get that far?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby WiZ » Fri May 25, 2018 3:53 am

If Athole has used a different name for all of his lower achievements (or, like, lower levels of accomplishment) and used his real name only when he beat the game, would that have appeared dishonest? no Or perhaps you can go in there and erase your other achievements from the list each subsequent time you play? Each time Athole plays, the record of his prior achievements is expunged from the records; explore this Making it appear you’re better than you are, in that you don’t need to play for long to get that far? this is not key to the solution
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby LemonCurry » Fri May 25, 2018 5:25 am

Does Athole only continue the game threads he has started himself, rather than profiting from someone else‘s achievements?
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Re: [WiZ] To Test an Athole's Character

Postby WiZ » Mon May 28, 2018 12:11 am

Does Athole only continue the game threads he has started himself yes, he uses a single game file, and sticks to it, rather than profiting from someone else‘s achievements? The only possible inference to draw from this is that he doesn't take over other people's saved games, which is kind of the solution.

So, here it comes:


***** SPOILER *****

Over a period of months, Jack and Athole both rented the same copy of a video game (a lengthy RPG). There were two saved-game files. By its nature, the game involved a lot of risk-taking and little room to recover from errors of judgment, so saving across multiple files would have proven attractive. But Athole never did, leaving Jack to play and enjoy his game from start to finish. From this, he knew that Athole wasn't one to exploit an opportunity for his own gain, at someone else's expense.


Congratulations, LemonCurry, on the solution, and thank you everyone else for your tenacity!
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