[WiZ] Obligatory Dead Man Puzzle

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[WiZ] Obligatory Dead Man Puzzle

Postby WiZ » Thu May 24, 2018 9:56 pm

He died because the traffic was able to stop before the pedestrian crossing. Explain.

Witnessed this on a horrible but compelling subreddit. Non caveat Earlispoilor.
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Re: [WiZ] Obligatory Dead Man Puzzle

Postby Tiger » Thu May 24, 2018 10:03 pm

Hi Wiz.

Is a pedestrian? A driver? A passenger in a car?
Is the subreddit the one where you watch people die?

Does the man behave how he would normally behave, with traffic stopping at the pedestrian crossing?
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Re: [WiZ] Obligatory Dead Man Puzzle

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu May 24, 2018 10:12 pm

Would the opposite be true, e.g. if the traffic had NOT been able to stop before the crossing, he would have lived?
He = HAM? Relevant which country he was in?
Before = at, near, or a long way before?
Was it a particular kind of pedestrian crossing, e.g. zebra, pelican, other?
Did he want to die, want to live, was ambivalent?
Did he die as a result of a road accident, other accident, non-accident? Was he wounded and died later, or did he die at the scene? Was anyone else injured? Were there witnesses? Were others involved in his death [list of numbers]?
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Re: [WiZ] Obligatory Dead Man Puzzle

Postby WiZ » Thu May 24, 2018 10:38 pm

Tiger

Hi Wiz. Hi Tiger :)

Is a pedestrian? no A driver? yes A passenger in a car? no
Is the subreddit the one where you watch people die? Yes - it's a surprisingly fruitful source of inspiration for a puzzle setter, provided they are of strong enough stomach.

Does the man behave how he would normally behave, with traffic stopping at the pedestrian crossing? yes

InvisibleMimsy

Would the opposite be true, e.g. if the traffic had NOT been able to stop before the crossing, he would have lived? Most probably yes
He = HAM? yes Relevant which country he was in? Not specifically, but some are much more likely than others
Before = at yes; no to rest, near, or a long way before?
Was it a particular kind of pedestrian crossing, e.g. zebra this, pelican, other?
Did he want to die, want to live, was ambivalent? Presumably wanted to live, although it is difficult to discern the motives of a dead man ex-post facto
Did he die as a result of a road accident yesish, other accident, non-accident? no to rest Was he wounded and died later, or did he die at the scene? this Was anyone else injured? no Were there witnesses? yes Were others involved in his death [list of numbers]? no
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Re: [WiZ] Obligatory Dead Man Puzzle

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu May 24, 2018 10:56 pm

Does it matter what vehicle he was driving/riding? Where he was in the line of traffic approaching the zebra? Which side of the road he was on? What speed the traffic was going? What speed he was going? Was there relevantly traffic on both sides of the road?
Were his driving abilities relevant? Did he get the pedals mixed up? Manual vs automatic relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] Obligatory Dead Man Puzzle

Postby WiZ » Thu May 24, 2018 10:59 pm

Does it matter what vehicle he was driving/riding? yes Where he was in the line of traffic approaching the zebra? This wouldn't have affected how he died, but perhaps how many people did Which side of the road he was on? no What speed the traffic was going? yes What speed he was going? yes Was there relevantly traffic on both sides of the road? no
Were his driving abilities relevant? no Did he get the pedals mixed up? Manual vs automatic relevant? no to both
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Re: [WiZ] Obligatory Dead Man Puzzle

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu May 24, 2018 11:20 pm

Was he driving a truck, bus, car, motorbike, moped, bicycle, horse and cart?
Was he right at the zebra crossing, or with (numbers) in front of him?
Was it one road, crossroads or other multiple junction?
Was the traffic's speed (numbers) mph?
Same Q for his speed?
Was he relevantly doing something else as well as driving, e.g. eating, mobile phone?
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Re: [WiZ] Obligatory Dead Man Puzzle

Postby WiZ » Thu May 24, 2018 11:30 pm

Was he driving a truck yes, no to rest, bus, car, motorbike, moped, bicycle, horse and cart?
Was he right at the zebra crossing, or with (numbers) in front of him? he was right at it
Was it one road, crossroads or other multiple junction? Assume one road
Was the traffic's speed (numbers) mph? Speculating here... but I'd say 30-ish
Same Q for his speed? As above
Was he relevantly doing something else as well as driving, e.g. eating, mobile phone? no
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Re: [WiZ] Obligatory Dead Man Puzzle

Postby trebor » Fri May 25, 2018 2:55 am

Was there relevantly anyone in he car with him? If he was alone, is that relevant? Is his death directly caused by the pedestrian(s)? Did he suffer a medical emergency unrelated to the traffic? (I’m thinking perhaps there were train tracks or something he got stuck at - and if the traffic had stopped further back or not at all he would’ve been able to go around - which prevented him from seeking aid).

Relevant that he was driving a truck and not a car? Was his truck struck by another vehicle? Could his death be said to be accident? Murder? Manslaughter? Does he have any relevant medical conditions? Is his age relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] Obligatory Dead Man Puzzle

Postby WiZ » Fri May 25, 2018 3:43 am

Was there relevantly anyone in he car with him? no If he was alone, is that relevant? no - although there may have been another fatality Is his death directly caused by the pedestrian(s)? no Did he suffer a medical emergency unrelated to the traffic? (I’m thinking perhaps there were train tracks or something he got stuck at - and if the traffic had stopped further back or not at all he would’ve been able to go around - which prevented him from seeking aid). I think I understand, and the answer is no

Relevant that he was driving a truck and not a car? yes Was his truck struck by another vehicle? no Could his death be said to be accident? yes Murder? Manslaughter? no to both Does he have any relevant medical conditions? no Is his age relevant? no
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Re: [WiZ] Obligatory Dead Man Puzzle

Postby GalFisk » Fri May 25, 2018 5:02 am

Was the truck damaged? Did he die inside the truck? Tallness of a truck relevant? Weight? Inertia? Did the truck fall? Was the road damaged? Did something fall on the truck? Did he die from impact? Fire? Heat? Cold? Poison? Venom? Was the truck hit by something? A train? A bridge? A wheel? A load? Its own load? Improperly secured loads relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] Obligatory Dead Man Puzzle

Postby trebor » Sat May 26, 2018 3:56 am

Are any features of the truck relevant? Is it the sort of truck one can drive (at least in Canada) without a special license? Is it a semi-truck, or something similar?
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Re: [WiZ] Obligatory Dead Man Puzzle

Postby android18 » Sat May 26, 2018 5:25 pm

Just to check, there is indeed a pedestrian actually on the crossing? Did the accident involve a collision? Something hitting him from behind?
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Re: [WiZ] Obligatory Dead Man Puzzle

Postby WiZ » Mon May 28, 2018 12:20 am

GalFisk

Was the truck damaged? yes Did he die inside the truck? yes Tallness of a truck relevant? no Weight? no Inertia? very much so Did the truck fall? no Was the road damaged? yes, but irrelevant Did something fall on the truck? yope Did he die from impact? yes Fire? Heat? Cold? Poison? Venom? no to these Was the truck hit by something? yes A train? A bridge? A wheel? no to these A load? Its own load? Improperly secured loads relevant? Yes to all!


Trebor

Are any features of the truck relevant? no Is it the sort of truck one can drive (at least in Canada) without a special license? no, although it didn't stop the driver in this case Is it a semi-truck, or something similar? yes

Android

Just to check, there is indeed a pedestrian actually on the crossing? yes Did the accident involve a collision? yes, but not with the pedestrian Something hitting him from behind? yes

***** SPOILER *****

This puzzle takes place in a country with a lax approach to Health and Safety laws. A truck was approaching the crossing carrying several huge, unsecured logs. It braked hard, managing, admirably, to stop in a very short distance. However, the momentum carried the logs through the back of the truck cab, killing the driver immediately.


Congratulations, GalFisk, Trebor and Android on the solution, and thank you everyone for playing! A fairly quick solve, but sometimes it's nice to return to the classics.
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Re: [WiZ] Obligatory Dead Man Puzzle [LOGGED OFF]

Postby peter365 » Mon May 28, 2018 7:08 am

This actually happened to someone from my home town many years ago , killed instantly. Terribly random way to go .
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Re: [WiZ] Obligatory Dead Man Puzzle [LOGGED OFF]

Postby WiZ » Mon May 28, 2018 7:18 am

I retract the line about about Health and Safety laws, then, but stress the importance that they are upheld!
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