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[Balin] Punked you all

Postby Balin » Sat May 26, 2018 10:55 pm

Why did Melanie, a very punctual person, intentionally arrive three hours late on the first day of her new job?

Melanie = H/A/F
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun May 27, 2018 12:00 am

Was it relevant what job it was, who her employers were, the location? Was it her first job? If not, were past jobs relevant? How old was she (list of numbers)? Was she the only new person? Was there some kind of challenge?
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Postby Balin » Sun May 27, 2018 5:49 pm

Was it relevant what job it was, who her employers were, the location? No to all Was it her first job? Assume Yes If not, were past jobs relevant? Past jobs are irrel How old was she (list of numbers)? Assume around 18 Was she the only new person? Irrel Was there some kind of challenge? No
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun May 27, 2018 8:07 pm

Relevant:- How she travelled to work? What route she took? Whether she made stops on the way? Whether she left home three hours before she arrived at work? Whether she did something before she left home? Whether she met anyone en route? Whether anyone else is involved in this puzzle [number of people/animals]? Whether her lateness had an effect on her work? What her job was? Whether anyone else was late?
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Postby Earnest » Mon May 28, 2018 6:41 am

Can we assume that she lives near to her place of work? Did the delay have a negative impact on her future in the job? Did she want to do that job? Was Melanie a student relevantly? Was it a part time job?
Was the intentionality in the delay meant to be fired by work? To obtain, on the contrary, an improvement in her job position? Relevant that she was 3 hours and not 4 or 5 delay?

To be sure...3 hours late means that she was meant to be at work at, for instance 7 am and instead she went at 10 am? Relevant when (at what specific time) she was supposed to go to work? Was she protesting against sonething?

Had she arrived punctual...would she have failed in something else? Would she have communicated something she did not want to her boss? (Did she have boss? Relevant who?) Did she work in the same place where she study/live? Was her boss/her collegues aware that she would have been late?
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Postby GalFisk » Mon May 28, 2018 9:26 am

Did she first decide to do this: before she knew where she would be working? Before she knew that she got the job? The day before she began? Earlier? Later? Is 3 hours significant? Or qould it have worked with 1 hour? Did she want to get back at someone? To make a point? To set an expectation? Did she want to have to make up for the time at some other point? To get paid less? To get in trouble? Did she want to work 3 hours more in the evening? Was she trying to avoid someone? Something?
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Postby Balin » Tue May 29, 2018 12:56 pm

Relevant:- How she travelled to work? No What route she took? No Whether she made stops on the way? No Whether she left home three hours before she arrived at work? Yes (she did not) Whether she did something before she left home? No Whether she met anyone en route? No Whether anyone else is involved in this puzzle [number of people/animals]? One other person (H/A/irr) Whether her lateness had an effect on her work? Mildly What her job was? No Whether anyone else was late? No

Can we assume that she lives near to her place of work? Yes Did the delay have a negative impact on her future in the job? It could have, but irrel Did she want to do that job? Yes Was Melanie a student relevantly? No Was it a part time job? No
Was the intentionality in the delay meant to be fired by work? No To obtain, on the contrary, an improvement in her job position? No Relevant that she was 3 hours and not 4 or 5 delay? It could have been 4 or 5, and the puzzle would still work

To be sure...3 hours late means that she was meant to be at work at, for instance 7 am and instead she went at 10 am? Yes Relevant when (at what specific time) she was supposed to go to work? Somewhat Was she protesting against sonething? No

Had she arrived punctual...would she have failed in something else? No Would she have communicated something she did not want to her boss? No (Did she have boss? Yes, and the boss is the other relevant person Relevant who? Only relevant as Melanie's boss) Did she work in the same place where she study/live? Assume Yes Was her boss/her collegues aware that she would have been late? They did not know in advance that she would be late

Did she first decide to do this: before she knew where she would be working? Before she knew that she got the job? The day before she began? This Earlier? Later?
Is 3 hours significant? Or would it have worked with 1 hour? It would still have worked with just 1 hour
Did she want to get back at someone? To make a point? To set an expectation? Did she want to have to make up for the time at some other point? To get paid less? To get in trouble? Did she want to work 3 hours more in the evening? Was she trying to avoid someone? Something? No to all these
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Postby Tiger » Tue May 29, 2018 2:31 pm

Was Melanie trying to prove that she is an efficient worker by doing 8 hours of work in 5 hours time? Was Melanie trying to back a claim? Does she want people to think something specific about who she is?
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Postby android18 » Tue May 29, 2018 2:48 pm

Does she get into trouble? Does she keep her job? Is she congratulated/rewarded/praised for being late? Is she trying to achieve something positive?
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Postby Balin » Tue May 29, 2018 6:01 pm

Was Melanie trying to prove that she is an efficient worker by doing 8 hours of work in 5 hours time? No Was Melanie trying to back a claim? No Does she want people to think something specific about who she is? No

Does she get into trouble? Yes Does she keep her job? Yes but the puzzle would still work if she didn't Is she congratulated/rewarded/praised for being late? No Is she trying to achieve something positive? Yope
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Postby Enjay » Tue May 29, 2018 7:52 pm

Did she specifically want to be late? Did she want/need to do something before work that required her to be late? Is it relevant that it is her first day? Is she likely to do this on other days? Could she have left early for the same purpose?

Is any aspect of her journey relevant? Traffic?

Did she pre-warn the job that she would be late?

Does she work normal office hours (9 to 5ish?) Shifts? Nights? Relevant?

Does she expect doing this to bring her some benefit at work? Outside of work?

Did she leave at the normal time?
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Postby android18 » Tue May 29, 2018 9:16 pm

Does her being late benefit someone else? Will it benefit her or others in the long term? Would her motive to arrive late be considered justifiable generally? Did she want to save her energy that day and therefore work less hours? Is it relevant that she decided to arrive late the day before?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed May 30, 2018 3:19 pm

Rel what her job was? Was she a doctor, nurse or other medical worker? On her way to work, was she able to help with something? Did that something take the best part of 3 hours to sort out? Was it a a medical emergency or problem? Was it some other emergency or urgent problem? Childbirth relevant? Was the thing that delayed her on her journey, before she left home, when she arrived at work, other? Is she able to contact/message her work about this at any stage? Are any other skills relevant? Time of day = [list of numbers]?
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Postby Balin » Wed May 30, 2018 3:43 pm

Did she specifically want to be late? No Did she want/need to do something before work that required her to be late? No Is it relevant that it is her first day? Yes Is she likely to do this on other days? No Could she have left early for the same purpose? No

Is any aspect of her journey relevant? No Traffic? No

Did she pre-warn the job that she would be late? No

Does she work normal office hours (9 to 5ish?) Assume this Shifts? Nights? Relevant? Not really

Does she expect doing this to bring her some benefit at work? No Outside of work? No

Did she leave at the normal time? Yes

Does her being late benefit someone else? No Will it benefit her or others in the long term? No Would her motive to arrive late be considered justifiable generally? It could be argued as such Did she want to save her energy that day and therefore work less hours? No Is it relevant that she decided to arrive late the day before? Yes

Rel what her job was? No Was she a doctor, nurse or other medical worker? No On her way to work, was she able to help with something? No Did that something take the best part of 3 hours to sort out? So no Was it a a medical emergency or problem? No Was it some other emergency or urgent problem? No Childbirth relevant? No Was the thing that delayed her on her journey, before she left home, when she arrived at work, other? No to all, FA Is she able to contact/message her work about this at any stage? Able to? Yes Are any other skills relevant? No Time of day = [list of numbers]? She was supposed to arrive at 9 AM, she arrived at noon
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Postby android18 » Wed May 30, 2018 4:27 pm

Do the results of what she's trying to achieve appear during that day? Does she want her employers to think she's not going to turn up? Is the reason why she turned up late directly to do with her job?
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Postby LemonCurry » Thu May 31, 2018 11:59 am

Are time zones relevant?

Would she have got into trouble if she had arrived on time? If yes, with her employer? With someone else?

Was she incapacitated in some way on her supposed starting hour? Intoxicated?

Was 12 o‘clock her original supposed starting hour but it got rescheduled to 9? If yes, did she pretend to have not received the message that told her so?
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Postby Balin » Thu May 31, 2018 8:16 pm

Do the results of what she's trying to achieve appear during that day? Yope - don't overthink this Does she want her employers to think she's not going to turn up? No Is the reason why she turned up late directly to do with her job? Yes

Are time zones relevant? No

Would she have got into trouble if she had arrived on time? No If yes, with her employer? With someone else?

Was she incapacitated in some way on her supposed starting hour? No Intoxicated? No

Was 12 o‘clock her original supposed starting hour but it got rescheduled to 9? No, clever idea though If yes, did she pretend to have not received the message that told her so?
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Postby LemonCurry » Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:19 am

Is her way to work relevant? How she got there? Are rush hours relevant? Timetables? Could this happen if the working place was right next to her home?

Did she receive some information about her working day that prompted her to come late the day before? If so, from her boss? From someone else?

Is dress code relevant?

Are opening hours of her working place relevant? Did she think she had to work only during the opening hours?
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Postby Earnest » Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:50 am

Is she in the delivery business? Is her delay due to a client? Does she have just one job? (A legal one right?) Was it a special day (Christmas/new years eve, Easter...)? Did she have a scheduled timetable? Or is her working time varying depending on the day/occasion...? (E.g. she is a doctor and when there are emergencies she is required to work also during nights...) Was she awake at 9 am? Did she have the possibility of being punctual? Can we assume she was home at 9 am watching tv or doing other stuffs but with the possibility of going work punctual? If so, did she decide not to go punctual? Or did she forget/she did not know that she had to go at 9 am? Had she gone work at 9 am would she have relevantly meet someone/someone would have seen her? Or can we assume that she would have regularily worked in the same exact conditions of every day? Did she have a task to complete but did not and was able to complete it in the 3 hours of delay? Was she waiting for a phone call? Did she need to go and interview someone? Was her boss aware of her delay?

Was she writing an article on how to be a bad worker/consequences of being late/habits of some kind of people?

Was she relevantly known to be punctual at work? Did the collegues know it? Was there a relevant collegue which was never punctual?
Did she know that something happened at that time at work (e.g. some roles were assigned and she did not want to participate...)
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Postby wolfier » Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:21 am

did she decide to be late to achieve an effect? did she have a choice? could the same situation happen on her second day? or would she have a choice to be punctual then?
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Postby Balin » Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:53 pm

Is her way to work relevant? No How she got there? No Are rush hours relevant? No Timetables? No if referring to public transportation; Yes if referring to her schedule
Could this happen if the working place was right next to her home? Yes

Did she receive some information about her working day that prompted her to come late the day before? Yes (she received the information the day before, to clarify the sentence) If so, from her boss? Yes From someone else?

Is dress code relevant? No

Are opening hours of her working place relevant? No Did she think she had to work only during the opening hours? No, but this is somewhat OTRT

Is she in the delivery business? Irrel, assume No Is her delay due to a client? No
Does she have just one job? Yes (A legal one right?) Yes
Was it a special day (Christmas/new years eve, Easter...)? No
Did she have a scheduled timetable? Assume this Or is her working time varying depending on the day/occasion...? (E.g. she is a doctor and when there are emergencies she is required to work also during nights...) Not this
Was she awake at 9 am? Yes Did she have the possibility of being punctual? Yes Can we assume she was home at 9 am watching tv or doing other stuffs but with the possibility of going work punctual? Yes If so, did she decide not to go punctual? No Or did she forget/she did not know that she had to go at 9 am? YES, good question! Had she gone work at 9 am would she have relevantly meet someone/someone would have seen her? Only boss/coworkers Or can we assume that she would have regularily worked in the same exact conditions of every day? Yope - remember it was her first day
Did she have a task to complete but did not and was able to complete it in the 3 hours of delay? Was she waiting for a phone call? Did she need to go and interview someone? No to all
Was her boss aware of her delay? No

Was she writing an article on how to be a bad worker/consequences of being late/habits of some kind of people? Ha! But no.

Was she relevantly known to be punctual at work? It was her first day, remember Did the collegues know it? See prev Was there a relevant collegue which was never punctual? No
Did she know that something happened at that time at work (e.g. some roles were assigned and she did not want to participate...) No

did she decide to be late to achieve an effect? No did she have a choice? Yes could the same situation happen on her second day? No, good q! or would she have a choice to be punctual then? See prev
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Postby wolfier » Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:03 pm

first day orientation relevant? did she get informed by her boss that the boss would be late so she assumed she only need to meet her boss when the boss arrives? (addition): did any time telling device malfunction?
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Postby Earnest » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:39 pm

Is 9am the scheduled time just for the first day? Did she think that she was expected to arrive at 12 am? When arriving to work was she aware to be late or did she think to be punctual? Is resturation relevant? She did not know because: nobody communicated? She was first communicated to go at 12 am? Was she given a specific and clear time table/schedule to go to work from the first day on? Did she work for a firm that had many seats with different schedules? Did she work in public means of transport industry (e.g.train controller) and knew that the train she needed to take was 3 hours late?
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Postby Balin » Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:04 pm

first day orientation relevant? No did she get informed by her boss that the boss would be late so she assumed she only need to meet her boss when the boss arrives? No (addition): did any time telling device malfunction? No

Is 9am the scheduled time just for the first day? Schedule for any other day is irrel Did she think that she was expected to arrive at 12 noon? YOPE When arriving to work was she aware to be late or did she think to be punctual? She was not aware she was late - good question Is resturation relevant? No She did not know because: nobody communicated? No She was first communicated to go at 12 noon? No Was she given a specific and clear time table/schedule to go to work from the first day on? Only the schedule for the first day is relevant Did she work for a firm that had many seats with different schedules? No Did she work in public means of transport industry (e.g.train controller) and knew that the train she needed to take was 3 hours late? No
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Postby wolfier » Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:49 am

was she the only person who started on that day? is the workplace also new? can the puzzle still work if it was 15 minutes instead of 3 hours? how about 6 hours?
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Postby Balin » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:05 pm

was she the only person who started on that day? Assume Yes is the workplace also new? Assume No can the puzzle still work if it was 15 minutes instead of 3 hours? This would be possible how about 6 hours? So would this
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Postby Balin » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:18 pm

HINT: Remember, Melanie did not think she was arriving late.
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Postby GalFisk » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:47 am

Did she know what time it really was? Had she misunderstood something? Time zones relevant?
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Postby wolfier » Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:02 am

was meal time relevant? e.g. "come around breakfast time"
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Postby Balin » Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:16 pm

Did she know what time it really was? Yes Had she misunderstood something? Yes, this is important Time zones relevant? No

was meal time relevant? No e.g. "come around breakfast time" No, but this is in a way OTRT
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Postby Earnest » Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:22 pm

Sorry for repeating questions...

Relevant how she was communicated to arrive at 9 am? Orally? Pronunciation/spelling relevant? By telephone? Via mail? Was she communicated to arrive at 9 a.m.? Or was she communicated something vague? Was she supposed to arrive at 9?

did her turn change? Was the job part-time? Did she work in a school? In a canteen? In a restaurant? In a bank? In a place where usually people start to work at 12? Did her clock work properly?

She was not aware she was late = she thought that the working day started at 12? Or she thought that it was 9 a.m.?
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:44 pm

Using time to indicate direction relevant? Did someone say "12 o' clock" when they meant "straight ahead"?
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Postby wolfier » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:46 pm

GalFisk wrote:Using time to indicate direction relevant? Did someone say "12 o' clock" when they meant "straight ahead"?


Nice, I'm guessing you've got it...
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Postby Balin » Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:44 pm

Relevant how she was communicated to arrive at 9 am? Yes Orally? Yes Pronunciation/spelling relevant? No, she understood the pronunciation correctly By telephone? No Via mail? No
Was she communicated to arrive at 9 a.m.? Yes Or was she communicated something vague? No, but this is OTRT! Was she supposed to arrive at 9? No

did her turn change? No Was the job part-time? Irrel
Did she work in a school? In a canteen? In a restaurant? I think this, but not particularly important In a bank? In a place where usually people start to work at 12?
Did her clock work properly? Yes

She was not aware she was late = she thought that the working day started at 12? No/Yope Or she thought that it was 9 a.m.? No

Using time to indicate direction relevant? Did someone say "12 o' clock" when they meant "straight ahead"? I love this guess, but sorry, this isn't it.
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Postby wolfier » Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:01 am

hm.....different languages relevant?
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Postby Earnest » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:53 am

Is the name of the place of work "Noon"? "Twelve"? "Nine"? Was she communicated the exact time? I mean without ambiguities: "Come at 9 am the specified day" for instance? Can we assume that the formula with which it was communicated to her to arrive at 9 am was "come at 9 am of the specified day at that specified place of work"? Or something more ambiguous thinking to give her more flexibility (something like "come immediately after you made breakfast/ after you woke up/after some event that was supposed to happen before 9 am ")? When communicating her the time at which she was supposed to come, did they use the word "lunch time", "breakfast time", "noon", "twelve sharp", "twelve oclock", "nine am" "nine in the morning"? Was there an event that day that was picked up as a reference point? Or maybe she was said to arrive when she think that the working day start? Is the misunderstanding originating from the vagueness of the communication? On her ignorance on certain practices/events?
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Postby Balin » Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:14 pm

hm.....different languages relevant? No

Is the name of the place of work "Noon"? "Twelve"? "Nine"? None of these
Was she communicated the exact time? Yes I mean without ambiguities: No, there is a relevant ambiguity! "Come at 9 am the specified day" for instance? Not these words Can we assume that the formula with which it was communicated to her to arrive at 9 am was "come at 9 am of the specified day at that specified place of work"? Not quite, but not too far off the mark Or something more ambiguous thinking to give her more flexibility (something like "come immediately after you made breakfast/ after you woke up/after some event that was supposed to happen before 9 am ")? Not like this
When communicating her the time at which she was supposed to come, did they use the word "lunch time", "breakfast time", "noon", "twelve sharp", "twelve oclock", "nine am" "nine in the morning"? "nine" Was there an event that day that was picked up as a reference point? No Or maybe she was said to arrive when she think that the working day start? No
Is the misunderstanding originating from the vagueness of the communication? Yes (from the ambiguity) On her ignorance on certain practices/events? Yes
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Postby Earnest » Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:13 pm

So...was it clear that it was meant nine in the morning with just "nine"? Was it the source of ambiguity? Was she communicated that she needed to start "n" hours before/after something happens (e.g. after the end of the prayer time in a muslim place)?

On her ignorance on certain practices/events? Yes ---> did she ignore the use of the people for which she works? Was she foreign? if so were there practices in her country which differs from the practices in the country where she had the job? Address relevant? Was it 9? E.g. "come at St. Joseph street at nine" meaning at 9 a.m.?...which does not explain why she came at twelve anyway...

Ambiguity = is the ambiguity on the word "nine" (e.g. nine was the hour but also the addres/something else)? On the wording of the communication (e.g. they communicated her to arrive at nine and then something ambiguous?)

I have a little wrong WAG which could be funny--> she does not know that the bell tower rang the bells at the wrong time so that at twelve o clock the bells wererang 9 times instead of twelve...
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Postby Balin » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:00 pm

So...was it clear that it was meant nine in the morning with just "nine"? Yes Was it the source of ambiguity? No Was she communicated that she needed to start "n" hours before/after something happens (e.g. after the end of the prayer time in a muslim place)? No, but not a bad guess

On her ignorance on certain practices/events? Yes ---> did she ignore the use of the people for which she works? Not sure what this means so I'll explain: this was her first job, and she didn't understand how a workday, er, works
Was she foreign? No if so were there practices in her country which differs from the practices in the country where she had the job?
Address relevant? No Was it 9? E.g. "come at St. Joseph street at nine" meaning at 9 a.m.?...which does not explain why she came at twelve anyway... Clever idea, but not this

Ambiguity = is the ambiguity on the word "nine" (e.g. nine was the hour but also the addres/something else)? No On the wording of the communication (e.g. they communicated her to arrive at nine and then something ambiguous?) Yes - there is more to the communication than to arrive at 9

I have a little wrong WAG which could be funny--> she does not know that the bell tower rang the bells at the wrong time so that at twelve o clock the bells wererang 9 times instead of twelve... That is funny! But nope.
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Postby Earnest » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:59 am

Ok...does the ambiguity concern the turns? Is it relevant when it was her first working day? (Weekend? During the week?) Is a joke being told? (E.g. "come at nine if you are able to wake up early!" and she misunderstand the joke taking it seriously?)

Relevant that noon is exactly 3 hours after 9 a.m.? Before getting employed, was she relevantly a costumer of the restaurant? (e.g. she based on the timetable that she often saw on the door of the restaurant)

It was her first day...so: she relevantly expected to know her co workers? Relevant the position of the restaurant w.r.t. her house/place where she lives? (e.g. she worked on a ship vessel or in a hotel and all the personell was supposed to meet at 9 a.m. when new guests arrive to welcome them, but she did not know because it was her first day and come to work directly at noon when she was expected to begin to work in the kitchens?)

Can we assume that she was literally said "come at nine + something else"? Or something like "come at the opening time"? Or "we usually start at nine, but..."? Or again something like "at nine there is the welcome of new guests/an evebt in which it was meant implicitly that she was supposed to go....? Was the word nine used in response to a question of Melanie on "which time she was supposed to go at work? Relevant when she was communicated the time to go to work? The day before? A month before? A week before?
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Re: [Balin] Punked you all

Postby Balin » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:39 pm

Ok...does the ambiguity concern the turns? Not sure what you mean by "turns." If you mean the different times employees come in, those are called "shifts" in English.
Also, only her scheduled time to work is relevant.

Is it relevant when it was her first working day? (Weekend? During the week?) Could be either Is a joke being told? No (E.g. "come at nine if you are able to wake up early!" and she misunderstand the joke taking it seriously?) Not a bad guess, but No

Relevant that noon is exactly 3 hours after 9 a.m.? No Before getting employed, was she relevantly a costumer of the restaurant? Irrel (e.g. she based on the timetable that she often saw on the door of the restaurant) Not this

It was her first day...so: she relevantly expected to know her co workers? No Relevant the position of the restaurant w.r.t. her house/place where she lives? No (e.g. she worked on a ship vessel or in a hotel and all the personell was supposed to meet at 9 a.m. when new guests arrive to welcome them, but she did not know because it was her first day and come to work directly at noon when she was expected to begin to work in the kitchens?) Not this either, but I like the guesses you're coming up with!

Can we assume that she was literally said "come at nine + something else"? This is closest to what was actually said. The words "come" and "nine" were used, but not "at." Or something like "come at the opening time"? Or "we usually start at nine, but..."? Or again something like "at nine there is the welcome of new guests/an evebt in which it was meant implicitly that she was supposed to go....?
Was the word nine used in response to a question of Melanie on "which time she was supposed to go at work? No
Relevant when she was communicated the time to go to work? It may help a little The day before? This A month before? A week before?
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Re: [Balin] Punked you all

Postby Earnest » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:56 pm

Was the day the 9th of something?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:35 pm

Was she told to come dressed to the nines?
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Re: [Balin] Punked you all

Postby GalFisk » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:32 am

Is the word "noon" relevant? "Twelve"? "Midday"? Some other word indicating 12 o' clock? The middle of the day? A delay of 3 hours? Did she understand that the time 9:00 was mentioned? Did she add something to 9 in order to get the time she believed she should start?
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Re: [Balin] Punked you all

Postby Balin » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:20 pm

Was the day the 9th of something? Clever, but No

Was she told to come dressed to the nines? Also clever, but also No

Is the word "noon" relevant? "Twelve"? "Midday"? Some other word indicating 12 o' clock? The middle of the day? A delay of 3 hours? No to all
Did she understand that the time 9:00 was mentioned? Yes Did she add something to 9 in order to get the time she believed she should start? No, but the second half of this is OTRT
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Re: [Balin] Punked you all

Postby Earnest » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:08 pm

Did she relevantly wrote down in her agenda the scheduled time of beginning? On the calendar?
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Re: [Balin] Punked you all

Postby Balin » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:54 pm

Did she relevantly wrote down in her agenda the scheduled time of beginning? On the calendar? No to both
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Re: [Balin] Punked you all

Postby wolfier » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:13 pm

does any of the following relevantly appear in the communication?

"to 9", "after 9", "from 9", "past 9"
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Re: [Balin] Punked you all

Postby Earnest » Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:53 am

Do they finish working at 3:00 a.m. usually? If so, relevant that 12 is 9 hours after 3 in the morning? Did she call the restaurant at 9:00 am? Was she communicated the day before at 12:00? At 9:00? Relevant?

So recap...she knew that 9:00 a.m. was mentioned, but dhe did not understand that it was the time she was supposed to go there right? Did she understand that someone else began to work at that time? Did she understand that nobody was at the restaurant at that time?

Was the word nine used in reference of the time of the day? For another reason? Was it said indirectly through the use of a practice that is usually done at 9:00 a.m. (e.g. when you come, wait nine times that the bell rang and then enter...) is the fact that she came at 12 relevant? Could it have worked also if she had come at 10? 11? Later than 9 in general? E.g. "come right after the nine" and she understood to go right after 9:00 am? Or better...come right after the nine at the twelve in Backer street
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Re: [Balin] Punked you all

Postby Balin » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:27 pm

does any of the following relevantly appear in the communication?

"to 9", "after 9", "from 9", "past 9" None of these, but "from 9" is close - good question!

Do they finish working at 3:00 a.m. usually? If so, relevant that 12 is 9 hours after 3 in the morning? Did she call the restaurant at 9:00 am? Was she communicated the day before at 12:00? At 9:00? Relevant?

So recap...she knew that 9:00 a.m. was mentioned, but dhe did not understand that it was the time she was supposed to go there right? Did she understand that someone else began to work at that time? Did she understand that nobody was at the restaurant at that time?

Was the word nine used in reference of the time of the day? Yes For another reason? No
Was it said indirectly through the use of a practice that is usually done at 9:00 a.m. No (e.g. when you come, wait nine times that the bell rang and then enter...)
is the fact that she came at 12 relevant? Not particularly, No! Could it have worked also if she had come at 10? 11? Later than 9 in general? Yes, any of these would work
E.g. "come right after the nine" and she understood to go right after 9:00 am? Or better...come right after the nine at the twelve in Backer street No to these
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Re: [Balin] Punked you all

Postby wolfier » Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:09 am

Would the puzzle have worked if she was supposed to start at 7 instead of 9 in the morning, and the communication accordingly mentioned 7 instead of 9? Is the nature of her work relevant, e.g. shifts? The reason that it has to be the first day, because by the end of the first day she would have learnt how certain things in the communications should be interpreted so any ambiguity would disappear?
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Re: [Balin] Punked you all

Postby Earnest » Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:48 am

Did she loterally understood "from 9 on? later than 9?" Was she unabke to hear something (e.g. a "not") properly? Is there a reason for her misunderstanding? Different accent? Dialect? Distance from the speaker? A sudden noise? Someone overspeaking? Others?
Did the speaker said to come "before 9"? "Within 9?" But someone overspoke to the speaker so that for instance the "before" seemed a "from"? Something similar? Or did the speaker said something ambiguous? If so was it ambiguous in that particular situation? In general? Did the speaker make a relevant gesture (e.g. indicating the time?)? Did she/he said "come around 9"/ "about 9?"
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Re: [Balin] Punked you all

Postby Balin » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:17 pm

Would the puzzle have worked if she was supposed to start at 7 instead of 9 in the morning, and the communication accordingly mentioned 7 instead of 9? Yes
Is the nature of her work relevant, e.g. shifts? No
The reason that it has to be the first day, because by the end of the first day she would have learnt how certain things in the communications should be interpreted so any ambiguity would disappear? Yes (furthermore, this was her first job, period)

Did she loterally understood "from 9 on? later than 9?" Neither Was she unabke to hear something (e.g. a "not") properly? No, she heard each word correctly
Is there a reason for her misunderstanding? Yes Different accent? Dialect? Distance from the speaker? A sudden noise? Someone overspeaking? None of these Others? One word was ambiguous, see below
Did the speaker said to come "before 9"? "Within 9?" Neither But someone overspoke to the speaker so that for instance the "before" seemed a "from"? No Something similar? Not like this
Or did the speaker said something ambiguous? Yes If so was it ambiguous in that particular situation? Yes In general? Did the speaker make a relevant gesture (e.g. indicating the time?)? No Did she/he said "come around 9"/ "about 9?" Neither
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Re: [Balin] Punked you all

Postby GalFisk » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:16 am

If she was supposed to start 7, would she still start at 12 when making this mistake? Did the speaker say something about a relationship between two times? Did the speaker mean to indicate an exact time? An approximate time?
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Re: [Balin] Punked you all

Postby Balin » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:28 pm

If she was supposed to start 7, would she still start at 12 when making this mistake? Yes Did the speaker say something about a relationship between two times? YES Did the speaker mean to indicate an exact time? Yes An approximate time?
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Re: [Balin] Punked you all

Postby Earnest » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:38 pm

Relationship between two exact times (9 and 12)? Or between two generic times of the day? Like "come at the time of the day when something happens?" Or again between two different epoques? Relationship between two times = brunch relevant? are numbers puns involved? Pun of any kind? Is a comparison being made by two times? E.g. later than/better than...others of this kind? Is "later than 9" been said? E.g. "come later than 9 but before..."?
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Re: [Balin] Punked you all

Postby Balin » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:58 pm

Relationship between two exact times Yes (9 and 12)? But not these times! Or between two generic times of the day? Like "come at the time of the day when something happens?" Or again between two different epoques? No to these
Relationship between two times = brunch relevant? are numbers puns involved? Pun of any kind? No to these
Is a comparison being made by two times? E.g. later than/better than...others of this kind? Is "later than 9" been said? E.g. "come later than 9 but before..."? Close enough - "between 9 and (the other time)"
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Re: [Balin] Punked you all

Postby irishelk » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:13 am

Was the employer trying to indicate the full length of her shift (or the time before her first break)? E.g. "Come between 9 and noon, and then come back between 2 and 5"? But she interpreted it as "come at any point between 9 and noon"?
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Re: [Balin] Punked you all

Postby Balin » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:28 pm

Was the employer trying to indicate the full length of her shift (or the time before her first break)? Yes E.g. "Come between 9 and noon, and then come back between 2 and 5"? But she interpreted it as "come at any point between 9 and noon"? Yep!

****SPOILER****

Upon being hired at her first job, Melanie's new boss told her to "come for training between 9 and 4" the next day. Not realizing she was supposed to be there for the entire time, Melanie misinterpreted this as "come at any time between 9 and 4" and showed up at noon.
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Re: [Balin] Punked you all (*CLOCKED OUT*)

Postby irishelk » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:56 am

Sounds like something I would do. Good one.
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Re: [Balin] Punked you all (*CLOCKED OUT*)

Postby Earnest » Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:47 pm

Nice!!!
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