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[Balin] Punked you all

Postby Balin » Sat May 26, 2018 10:55 pm

Why did Melanie, a very punctual person, intentionally arrive three hours late on the first day of her new job?

Melanie = H/A/F
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun May 27, 2018 12:00 am

Was it relevant what job it was, who her employers were, the location? Was it her first job? If not, were past jobs relevant? How old was she (list of numbers)? Was she the only new person? Was there some kind of challenge?
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Postby Balin » Sun May 27, 2018 5:49 pm

Was it relevant what job it was, who her employers were, the location? No to all Was it her first job? Assume Yes If not, were past jobs relevant? Past jobs are irrel How old was she (list of numbers)? Assume around 18 Was she the only new person? Irrel Was there some kind of challenge? No
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun May 27, 2018 8:07 pm

Relevant:- How she travelled to work? What route she took? Whether she made stops on the way? Whether she left home three hours before she arrived at work? Whether she did something before she left home? Whether she met anyone en route? Whether anyone else is involved in this puzzle [number of people/animals]? Whether her lateness had an effect on her work? What her job was? Whether anyone else was late?
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Postby Earnest » Mon May 28, 2018 6:41 am

Can we assume that she lives near to her place of work? Did the delay have a negative impact on her future in the job? Did she want to do that job? Was Melanie a student relevantly? Was it a part time job?
Was the intentionality in the delay meant to be fired by work? To obtain, on the contrary, an improvement in her job position? Relevant that she was 3 hours and not 4 or 5 delay?

To be sure...3 hours late means that she was meant to be at work at, for instance 7 am and instead she went at 10 am? Relevant when (at what specific time) she was supposed to go to work? Was she protesting against sonething?

Had she arrived punctual...would she have failed in something else? Would she have communicated something she did not want to her boss? (Did she have boss? Relevant who?) Did she work in the same place where she study/live? Was her boss/her collegues aware that she would have been late?
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Postby GalFisk » Mon May 28, 2018 9:26 am

Did she first decide to do this: before she knew where she would be working? Before she knew that she got the job? The day before she began? Earlier? Later? Is 3 hours significant? Or qould it have worked with 1 hour? Did she want to get back at someone? To make a point? To set an expectation? Did she want to have to make up for the time at some other point? To get paid less? To get in trouble? Did she want to work 3 hours more in the evening? Was she trying to avoid someone? Something?
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Postby Balin » Tue May 29, 2018 12:56 pm

Relevant:- How she travelled to work? No What route she took? No Whether she made stops on the way? No Whether she left home three hours before she arrived at work? Yes (she did not) Whether she did something before she left home? No Whether she met anyone en route? No Whether anyone else is involved in this puzzle [number of people/animals]? One other person (H/A/irr) Whether her lateness had an effect on her work? Mildly What her job was? No Whether anyone else was late? No

Can we assume that she lives near to her place of work? Yes Did the delay have a negative impact on her future in the job? It could have, but irrel Did she want to do that job? Yes Was Melanie a student relevantly? No Was it a part time job? No
Was the intentionality in the delay meant to be fired by work? No To obtain, on the contrary, an improvement in her job position? No Relevant that she was 3 hours and not 4 or 5 delay? It could have been 4 or 5, and the puzzle would still work

To be sure...3 hours late means that she was meant to be at work at, for instance 7 am and instead she went at 10 am? Yes Relevant when (at what specific time) she was supposed to go to work? Somewhat Was she protesting against sonething? No

Had she arrived punctual...would she have failed in something else? No Would she have communicated something she did not want to her boss? No (Did she have boss? Yes, and the boss is the other relevant person Relevant who? Only relevant as Melanie's boss) Did she work in the same place where she study/live? Assume Yes Was her boss/her collegues aware that she would have been late? They did not know in advance that she would be late

Did she first decide to do this: before she knew where she would be working? Before she knew that she got the job? The day before she began? This Earlier? Later?
Is 3 hours significant? Or would it have worked with 1 hour? It would still have worked with just 1 hour
Did she want to get back at someone? To make a point? To set an expectation? Did she want to have to make up for the time at some other point? To get paid less? To get in trouble? Did she want to work 3 hours more in the evening? Was she trying to avoid someone? Something? No to all these
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Postby Tiger » Tue May 29, 2018 2:31 pm

Was Melanie trying to prove that she is an efficient worker by doing 8 hours of work in 5 hours time? Was Melanie trying to back a claim? Does she want people to think something specific about who she is?
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Postby android18 » Tue May 29, 2018 2:48 pm

Does she get into trouble? Does she keep her job? Is she congratulated/rewarded/praised for being late? Is she trying to achieve something positive?
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Postby Balin » Tue May 29, 2018 6:01 pm

Was Melanie trying to prove that she is an efficient worker by doing 8 hours of work in 5 hours time? No Was Melanie trying to back a claim? No Does she want people to think something specific about who she is? No

Does she get into trouble? Yes Does she keep her job? Yes but the puzzle would still work if she didn't Is she congratulated/rewarded/praised for being late? No Is she trying to achieve something positive? Yope
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Postby Enjay » Tue May 29, 2018 7:52 pm

Did she specifically want to be late? Did she want/need to do something before work that required her to be late? Is it relevant that it is her first day? Is she likely to do this on other days? Could she have left early for the same purpose?

Is any aspect of her journey relevant? Traffic?

Did she pre-warn the job that she would be late?

Does she work normal office hours (9 to 5ish?) Shifts? Nights? Relevant?

Does she expect doing this to bring her some benefit at work? Outside of work?

Did she leave at the normal time?
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Postby android18 » Tue May 29, 2018 9:16 pm

Does her being late benefit someone else? Will it benefit her or others in the long term? Would her motive to arrive late be considered justifiable generally? Did she want to save her energy that day and therefore work less hours? Is it relevant that she decided to arrive late the day before?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed May 30, 2018 3:19 pm

Rel what her job was? Was she a doctor, nurse or other medical worker? On her way to work, was she able to help with something? Did that something take the best part of 3 hours to sort out? Was it a a medical emergency or problem? Was it some other emergency or urgent problem? Childbirth relevant? Was the thing that delayed her on her journey, before she left home, when she arrived at work, other? Is she able to contact/message her work about this at any stage? Are any other skills relevant? Time of day = [list of numbers]?
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Postby Balin » Wed May 30, 2018 3:43 pm

Did she specifically want to be late? No Did she want/need to do something before work that required her to be late? No Is it relevant that it is her first day? Yes Is she likely to do this on other days? No Could she have left early for the same purpose? No

Is any aspect of her journey relevant? No Traffic? No

Did she pre-warn the job that she would be late? No

Does she work normal office hours (9 to 5ish?) Assume this Shifts? Nights? Relevant? Not really

Does she expect doing this to bring her some benefit at work? No Outside of work? No

Did she leave at the normal time? Yes

Does her being late benefit someone else? No Will it benefit her or others in the long term? No Would her motive to arrive late be considered justifiable generally? It could be argued as such Did she want to save her energy that day and therefore work less hours? No Is it relevant that she decided to arrive late the day before? Yes

Rel what her job was? No Was she a doctor, nurse or other medical worker? No On her way to work, was she able to help with something? No Did that something take the best part of 3 hours to sort out? So no Was it a a medical emergency or problem? No Was it some other emergency or urgent problem? No Childbirth relevant? No Was the thing that delayed her on her journey, before she left home, when she arrived at work, other? No to all, FA Is she able to contact/message her work about this at any stage? Able to? Yes Are any other skills relevant? No Time of day = [list of numbers]? She was supposed to arrive at 9 AM, she arrived at noon
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Postby android18 » Wed May 30, 2018 4:27 pm

Do the results of what she's trying to achieve appear during that day? Does she want her employers to think she's not going to turn up? Is the reason why she turned up late directly to do with her job?
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Postby LemonCurry » Thu May 31, 2018 11:59 am

Are time zones relevant?

Would she have got into trouble if she had arrived on time? If yes, with her employer? With someone else?

Was she incapacitated in some way on her supposed starting hour? Intoxicated?

Was 12 o‘clock her original supposed starting hour but it got rescheduled to 9? If yes, did she pretend to have not received the message that told her so?
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Postby Balin » Thu May 31, 2018 8:16 pm

Do the results of what she's trying to achieve appear during that day? Yope - don't overthink this Does she want her employers to think she's not going to turn up? No Is the reason why she turned up late directly to do with her job? Yes

Are time zones relevant? No

Would she have got into trouble if she had arrived on time? No If yes, with her employer? With someone else?

Was she incapacitated in some way on her supposed starting hour? No Intoxicated? No

Was 12 o‘clock her original supposed starting hour but it got rescheduled to 9? No, clever idea though If yes, did she pretend to have not received the message that told her so?
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Postby LemonCurry » Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:19 am

Is her way to work relevant? How she got there? Are rush hours relevant? Timetables? Could this happen if the working place was right next to her home?

Did she receive some information about her working day that prompted her to come late the day before? If so, from her boss? From someone else?

Is dress code relevant?

Are opening hours of her working place relevant? Did she think she had to work only during the opening hours?
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Postby Earnest » Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:50 am

Is she in the delivery business? Is her delay due to a client? Does she have just one job? (A legal one right?) Was it a special day (Christmas/new years eve, Easter...)? Did she have a scheduled timetable? Or is her working time varying depending on the day/occasion...? (E.g. she is a doctor and when there are emergencies she is required to work also during nights...) Was she awake at 9 am? Did she have the possibility of being punctual? Can we assume she was home at 9 am watching tv or doing other stuffs but with the possibility of going work punctual? If so, did she decide not to go punctual? Or did she forget/she did not know that she had to go at 9 am? Had she gone work at 9 am would she have relevantly meet someone/someone would have seen her? Or can we assume that she would have regularily worked in the same exact conditions of every day? Did she have a task to complete but did not and was able to complete it in the 3 hours of delay? Was she waiting for a phone call? Did she need to go and interview someone? Was her boss aware of her delay?

Was she writing an article on how to be a bad worker/consequences of being late/habits of some kind of people?

Was she relevantly known to be punctual at work? Did the collegues know it? Was there a relevant collegue which was never punctual?
Did she know that something happened at that time at work (e.g. some roles were assigned and she did not want to participate...)
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Postby wolfier » Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:21 am

did she decide to be late to achieve an effect? did she have a choice? could the same situation happen on her second day? or would she have a choice to be punctual then?
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Postby Balin » Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:53 pm

Is her way to work relevant? No How she got there? No Are rush hours relevant? No Timetables? No if referring to public transportation; Yes if referring to her schedule
Could this happen if the working place was right next to her home? Yes

Did she receive some information about her working day that prompted her to come late the day before? Yes (she received the information the day before, to clarify the sentence) If so, from her boss? Yes From someone else?

Is dress code relevant? No

Are opening hours of her working place relevant? No Did she think she had to work only during the opening hours? No, but this is somewhat OTRT

Is she in the delivery business? Irrel, assume No Is her delay due to a client? No
Does she have just one job? Yes (A legal one right?) Yes
Was it a special day (Christmas/new years eve, Easter...)? No
Did she have a scheduled timetable? Assume this Or is her working time varying depending on the day/occasion...? (E.g. she is a doctor and when there are emergencies she is required to work also during nights...) Not this
Was she awake at 9 am? Yes Did she have the possibility of being punctual? Yes Can we assume she was home at 9 am watching tv or doing other stuffs but with the possibility of going work punctual? Yes If so, did she decide not to go punctual? No Or did she forget/she did not know that she had to go at 9 am? YES, good question! Had she gone work at 9 am would she have relevantly meet someone/someone would have seen her? Only boss/coworkers Or can we assume that she would have regularily worked in the same exact conditions of every day? Yope - remember it was her first day
Did she have a task to complete but did not and was able to complete it in the 3 hours of delay? Was she waiting for a phone call? Did she need to go and interview someone? No to all
Was her boss aware of her delay? No

Was she writing an article on how to be a bad worker/consequences of being late/habits of some kind of people? Ha! But no.

Was she relevantly known to be punctual at work? It was her first day, remember Did the collegues know it? See prev Was there a relevant collegue which was never punctual? No
Did she know that something happened at that time at work (e.g. some roles were assigned and she did not want to participate...) No

did she decide to be late to achieve an effect? No did she have a choice? Yes could the same situation happen on her second day? No, good q! or would she have a choice to be punctual then? See prev
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Postby wolfier » Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:03 pm

first day orientation relevant? did she get informed by her boss that the boss would be late so she assumed she only need to meet her boss when the boss arrives? (addition): did any time telling device malfunction?
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Postby Earnest » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:39 pm

Is 9am the scheduled time just for the first day? Did she think that she was expected to arrive at 12 am? When arriving to work was she aware to be late or did she think to be punctual? Is resturation relevant? She did not know because: nobody communicated? She was first communicated to go at 12 am? Was she given a specific and clear time table/schedule to go to work from the first day on? Did she work for a firm that had many seats with different schedules? Did she work in public means of transport industry (e.g.train controller) and knew that the train she needed to take was 3 hours late?
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Postby Balin » Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:04 pm

first day orientation relevant? No did she get informed by her boss that the boss would be late so she assumed she only need to meet her boss when the boss arrives? No (addition): did any time telling device malfunction? No

Is 9am the scheduled time just for the first day? Schedule for any other day is irrel Did she think that she was expected to arrive at 12 noon? YOPE When arriving to work was she aware to be late or did she think to be punctual? She was not aware she was late - good question Is resturation relevant? No She did not know because: nobody communicated? No She was first communicated to go at 12 noon? No Was she given a specific and clear time table/schedule to go to work from the first day on? Only the schedule for the first day is relevant Did she work for a firm that had many seats with different schedules? No Did she work in public means of transport industry (e.g.train controller) and knew that the train she needed to take was 3 hours late? No
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Postby wolfier » Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:49 am

was she the only person who started on that day? is the workplace also new? can the puzzle still work if it was 15 minutes instead of 3 hours? how about 6 hours?
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Postby Balin » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:05 pm

was she the only person who started on that day? Assume Yes is the workplace also new? Assume No can the puzzle still work if it was 15 minutes instead of 3 hours? This would be possible how about 6 hours? So would this
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