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[Balin] Len'd a hand

Postby Balin » Tue May 29, 2018 6:10 pm

Lenny commits a crime, then calls the police to report his committing that crime. Why?
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Re: [Balin] Len'd a hand

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue May 29, 2018 6:36 pm

Does he want to go into prison? Has he been in prison before and he misses it? Is he trying to distract them from a previous crime, either committed by him or by someone else? Ditto future crime? Is he otherwise trying to set something or someone up?

Did he commit: murder, theft/burglary, arson, sexual crime, drug-related, GBH or other assault, fraud, other?
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Re: [Balin] Len'd a hand

Postby Balin » Tue May 29, 2018 7:30 pm

Does he want to go into prison? No Has he been in prison before and he misses it? No Is he trying to distract them from a previous crime, either committed by him or by someone else? No Ditto future crime? No Is he otherwise trying to set something or someone up? No

Did he commit: murder, theft/burglary, arson, sexual crime, drug-related, GBH or other assault, fraud, other? Other
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Re: [Balin] Len'd a hand

Postby android18 » Tue May 29, 2018 7:51 pm

Is the type of crime relevant? Severe? Something you'd go to prison for? Does he want to get found out? Is someone else about to be blamed for it? And that makes him own up to it? Does he call the police immediately after committing the crime? Minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Is he trying to achieve something by committing the crime? And in order to achieve that something he must report it?
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Re: [Balin] Len'd a hand

Postby Earnest » Wed May 30, 2018 4:01 am

Can we assume it to be a crime worldwide more or less? Or is it a crime in a specific place? A "crime" because of the specific characteristics of Lenny? (physical? mental?) Was him forced to commit the crime (e.g. legal defense/someone had committed a crime toward him in a first instance)? Is the crime a minor one? did he call the police to denounce specifically his crime? Crime = committed with a car? involving violation of privacy? technology? (e.g. downloading from internet some prohibited material?) involving trash? Dogs? Not paying a ticket? Not paying for something? Hit someone? Involving phone calls? Phones? Weapons? Alcohol? Bets? Illegal activities? His presence to illegal activities/events? (e.g. cockfight)

Did the police come to his house? To the place where he committed the crime? Did he benefit from calling the police? Had he not committed the crime, would someone else have the possibility to commit a more grave crime? Would he not have saved someone's life? His life? Did the police go to the place where Lenny was? To another place? Did the police meet Lenny? If so, when they meet was the main focus of the police Lenny's crime? Did Lenny mention his crime when calling the police? Did he call the police precisely and solely to confess his crime? To let them know something illegal a part from his crime, happened? To let the police know he was in danger? Someone else was? Did Lenny take hostages somewhere and needed to call the police in order his action to have a value (to have someone with which to bargain)?
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Re: [Balin] Len'd a hand

Postby Balin » Wed May 30, 2018 3:50 pm

Is the type of crime relevant? Yes Severe? No Something you'd go to prison for? Not generally Does he want to get found out? Yes Is someone else about to be blamed for it? No And that makes him own up to it? So no
Does he call the police immediately after committing the crime? Minutes? Hours? Assume no more than an hour Days? Weeks? Months? Years?
Is he trying to achieve something by committing the crime? Yes And in order to achieve that something he must report it? Yes

Can we assume it to be a crime worldwide more or less? No Or is it a crime in a specific place? Yes A "crime" because of the specific characteristics of Lenny? Yes (physical? mental?) I'll call it physical Was him forced to commit the crime (e.g. legal defense/someone had committed a crime toward him in a first instance)? No Is the crime a minor one? Yes did he call the police to denounce specifically his crime? Yes
Crime = committed with a car? involving violation of privacy? technology? (e.g. downloading from internet some prohibited material?) involving trash? Dogs? Not paying a ticket? Not paying for something? Hit someone? Involving phone calls? Phones? Weapons? Alcohol? Bets? Illegal activities? His presence to illegal activities/events? (e.g. cockfight) Yes to "alcohol," No to everything else

Did the police come to his house? Yes To the place where he committed the crime? And Yes Did he benefit from calling the police? Yes Had he not committed the crime, would someone else have the possibility to commit a more grave crime? Yes (and that someone is Lenny himself) Would he not have saved someone's life? Possibly His life? Possibly Did the police go to the place where Lenny was? Yes To another place? And Yes Did the police meet Lenny? Yes If so, when they meet was the main focus of the police Lenny's crime? Yes Did Lenny mention his crime when calling the police? Yes Did he call the police precisely and solely to confess his crime? He had one other thing in mind when making the call To let them know something illegal a part from his crime, happened? No To let the police know he was in danger? No Someone else was? No Did Lenny take hostages somewhere and needed to call the police in order his action to have a value (to have someone with which to bargain)? No
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Re: [Balin] Len'd a hand

Postby android18 » Wed May 30, 2018 4:22 pm

Is Lenny's profession relevant? Was Lenny arrested? Which prevented him from committing a more serious crime? Would the more serious crime be murder? Kidnap? Assault? Was the crime he committed being drunk and disorderly? Selling alcohol illegally? Vandalism? Buying alcohol for someone underage? Is Lenny underage himself? Is someone else relevant to this puzzle? Such as a life he would 'possibly' save?
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Re: [Balin] Len'd a hand

Postby Earnest » Thu May 31, 2018 6:46 am

Was Lenny drunk? Did he want to use alcohol to fire something? Did he made his pregnant wife drink alcohol? Is the drinking of alcohol the crime itself? (E.g. he was muslim and lived in a muslim country...) Did the crime involve the drinking of alcohol? If so, the one drinking was him? Someone else?

" I'll call it physical" = has he got some disturb toward alcohol? Did he take some medicine/pill which prevent him to drink? Did he risk to die when drinking alcohol? Would his death be the bigger crime in itself? Was Lenny a pilot?

After having called the police, did Lenny wait for the police at home? Lenny made a phone call to the police right? And indicated to police two places (hos house and a place x) right? If so, is place x very close to his house? Very far? A wood? A pub? His quarter? On the street? Other place? His house again?

Is it relevant thet he needed to press the digits 911 to call the police? Did he want to commit the other bigger crime? Or is it something like he started by committing the little crime voluntarily and then something happened which made things go beyond his control (hope it is clear) so that he was unable to prevent the other crime to happen?

Classical question to be sure...is Lenny bipolar?
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Re: [Balin] Len'd a hand

Postby GalFisk » Thu May 31, 2018 7:07 am

Is the punishment for the crime relevant? An action performed by the police? Did he want to be punished for the crime? To be moved somewhere? To be protected?
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Re: [Balin] Len'd a hand

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu May 31, 2018 5:09 pm

Was Lenny creating an alibi for himself? Either an actual alibi, or something that the police might think was an alibi? E.g. if he was drunk, he would not (or would be unlikely to) commit another crime? Are any other people or animals involved, HAM etc? Is the crime something which would suggest he wouldn't have committed another crime which he had actually committed? For example, if he had just saved an old lady from thugs, it would suggest he wasn't guilty for attacking another old lady?
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Re: [Balin] Len'd a hand

Postby Tiger » Thu May 31, 2018 5:59 pm

Does Lenny say something like "I stole the treasure and I buried it in the yard" so that the police will dig up his lawn and do his gardening for him for free?

Sidenote: You've already revealed that the crime isn't murder, but the riddle statement reminded me of the Weepy Voiced Killer - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Michael_Stephani. He would kill women and then call police confessing in a disturbing, hysterical voice... for those who are interested, you can find the 911 recording on YoUTube.
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Re: [Balin] Len'd a hand

Postby Balin » Thu May 31, 2018 8:24 pm

Is Lenny's profession relevant? No Was Lenny arrested? No Which prevented him from committing a more serious crime? But this is relevant! Would the more serious crime be murder? Kidnap? Assault? None of these
Was the crime he committed being drunk and disorderly? Selling alcohol illegally? Vandalism? Buying alcohol for someone underage? Underage drinking & public drunkenness - the latter is the relevant one Is Lenny underage himself? Yes
Is someone else relevant to this puzzle? Such as a life he would 'possibly' save? It's not a specific person he'd "possibly" save, so I'm going to say No, no one else is relevant to the puzzle.

Was Lenny drunk? Yes Did he want to use alcohol to fire something? No Did he made his pregnant wife drink alcohol? No Is the drinking of alcohol the crime itself? No (E.g. he was muslim and lived in a muslim country...) No Did the crime involve the drinking of alcohol? Yes, see above If so, the one drinking was him? Yes Someone else?

"I'll call it physical" = has he got some disturb toward alcohol? No - as has been now guessed, it was his age Did he take some medicine/pill which prevent him to drink? No Did he risk to die when drinking alcohol? No more than anyone else Would his death be the bigger crime in itself? No Was Lenny a pilot? No

After having called the police, did Lenny wait for the police at home? No, good question Lenny made a phone call to the police right? Yes And indicated to police two places (his house and a place x) right? Not during the phone call! Only Place X If so, is place x very close to his house? Very far? A few miles A wood? A pub? His quarter? On the street? He indicated the specific street Other place? His house again?

Is it relevant thet he needed to press the digits 911 to call the police? No Did he want to commit the other bigger crime? No Or is it something like he started by committing the little crime voluntarily and then something happened which made things go beyond his control (hope it is clear) so that he was unable to prevent the other crime to happen? No

Classical question to be sure...is Lenny bipolar? No

Is the punishment for the crime relevant? Yope An action performed by the police? Yes Did he want to be punished for the crime? No To be moved somewhere? Yes To be protected? Noish

Was Lenny creating an alibi for himself? No Either an actual alibi, or something that the police might think was an alibi? No E.g. if he was drunk, he would not (or would be unlikely to) commit another crime? However, Yes! Are any other people or animals involved, HAM etc? None, see above Is the crime something which would suggest he wouldn't have committed another crime which he had actually committed? No For example, if he had just saved an old lady from thugs, it would suggest he wasn't guilty for attacking another old lady? No, but a clever idea

Does Lenny say something like "I stole the treasure and I buried it in the yard" so that the police will dig up his lawn and do his gardening for him for free? No, but that's a nice classic reference there

Sidenote: You've already revealed that the crime isn't murder, but the riddle statement reminded me of the Weepy Voiced Killer. He would kill women and then call police confessing in a disturbing, hysterical voice... for those who are interested, you can find the 911 recording on YouTube. That's creepy - and frightening.
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Re: [Balin] Len'd a hand

Postby Earnest » Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:28 am

Did he drive while being drunk? Is this the crime he committed? He called the police while drunk right? Indicating place x precisely? And that was the place where he was going to (from his home) after the call...am I right? Is place x the place where another crime has been committed? Where someone suicide? Where he could have been accused to have committed a crime? Did he want to prevent a crime to be committed? Someone to die?

Is the other potential crime: murder? Theft? Again alcohol connected? Drug connected? Others? Would the other more grave crime have required precision? Reflexes? Simply him to be present in place x and NOT at home?
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Re: [Balin] Len'd a hand

Postby android18 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:30 pm

Is drink driving the more serious crime? Does he mention place X to the police so they can wait for him there? To prevent him from doing something whilst he's there? Does he warn them that he might do something unintentional? Stupid? Something which he cannot control? Because he's drunk?
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Re: [Balin] Len'd a hand

Postby trebor » Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:23 pm

Did he simply want the police to give him a ride somewhere? To clarify, if he was drunk it would be unlikely that he would commit the other crime, correct? So was his drinking part of a plan to not commit the other crime? Is the reason he suspected he would commit another crime relevant?
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Re: [Balin] Len'd a hand

Postby Balin » Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:33 pm

Did he drive while being drunk? NO, see below Is this the crime he committed? No He called the police while drunk right? Yes Indicating place x precisely? Yes And that was the place where he was going to (from his home) after the call...am I right? Not from his home, but Yes Is place x the place where another crime has been committed? No Where someone suicide? No Where he could have been accused to have committed a crime? No Did he want to prevent a crime to be committed? Yes Someone to die? No

Is the other potential crime: murder? No Theft? No Again alcohol connected? Yes, see below Drug connected? No Others?
Would the other more grave crime have required precision? Reflexes? Simply him to be present in place x and NOT at home? See below

Is drink driving the more serious crime? Yes
Does he mention place X to the police so they can wait for him there? No To prevent him from doing something whilst he's there? Yes Does he warn them that he might do something unintentional? Stupid? Something which he cannot control? No to all, but... Because he's drunk? ...Yes

Did he simply want the police to give him a ride somewhere? Yes To clarify, if he was drunk it would be unlikely that he would commit the other crime, correct? No, it would be likely So was his drinking part of a plan to not commit the other crime? No Is the reason he suspected he would commit another crime relevant? It's just his drunkenness.

Between these sets of questions, I think you have the answer.

****SPOILER****

Lenny got drunk at a party but did not have a ride home. Not wanting to drink and drive, he called the police and reported that there was a drunk person walking up and down the street yelling, then walked up and down the street yelling until the police picked him up and drove him home.
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