[Enjay] Overachiever

[Enjay]

Jason starts a new hobby, which he enjoys and does well at. However, the better he gets, the less he enjoys doing it. Why?

[Zanreo]

Does he enjoy it because it gives him new challenges, and as he gets better it's not as challenging and not as fun anymore? Does he get more bored with it as he gets better? Hobby: creative? Making something? Sports? Games? Collecting? Usually done alone? In a group?

[GalFisk]

Do other people with this hobby have the same reaction? WAG: is it some sort of competition or challenge, and as he gets better he finds it harder to get a decent challenge/competitor?
Is the hobby an art? A craft? Something done in the mind? Such as meditation? Something to do with food? Drink?
WAG: is it brewing, or making some other mind-altering substance, which leads to an addiction to the substance, which is not very enjoyable?

[Enjay]

Does he enjoy it because it gives him new challenges, and as he gets better it's not as challenging and not as fun anymore? No Does he get more bored with it as he gets better? No Hobby: creative? Making something? Sports? This Games? Collecting? Usually done alone? In a group? This


Do other people with this hobby have the same reaction? Possibly WAG: is it some sort of competition or challenge, and as he gets better he finds it harder to get a decent challenge/competitor? No
Is the hobby an art? A craft? Something done in the mind? Such as meditation? Something to do with food? Drink? No to all
WAG: is it brewing, or making some other mind-altering substance, which leads to an addiction to the substance, which is not very enjoyable? No

[Earnest]

Is the process of getting better relevant? I mean...relevant "how" he gets better? Through training? Through competitions? Is he practicing it at an amatorial level? As a professionist? Are there official matches of that sport? A championship? Tournaments? Does he participate to one of them? Is he getting better in the hobby or are the others getting worse? Has he got many competitors? Are there leagues? Is he going in higher and higher leagues w.r.t others? Is there many people competing at hogh levels in that sport? Is he still playing with "lower level people"? Did he want to compete with people at his same level?

He enjoys less = he is bored? Do the rules of the game/place in which it is played change the higher the league/the level reached? Did he want to reach a very high level? Does the sport become more cruel the higher the level? Competitors more competitive in a negative way? Is it(the fact that he enjoys less) a matter of his opponents? Of the sport per se? Of him growing? If so growing up in age? Physically? Both?

Team = the team which actually plays ( bleachers excluded I mean) is composed by 2 people? 3? 11? 5? More than 4? More than 11?
Can we invoke the list of team sports? Is it basket? Volley? Beach volley? Football? Rugby? Polo? Water polo? Curling? Relay race?
Is it played on the beach? On the snow? On a field? In inside? In outside? Relevant?

[Enjay]

Is the process of getting better relevant? I mean...relevant "how" he gets better? No Through training? Assume this Through competitions? Is he practicing it at an amatorial level? Assume amateur As a professionist?
Are there official matches of that sport? A championship? Tournaments? Yes to all Does he participate to one of them? Irrel Is he getting better in the hobby or are the others getting worse? He is getting better Has he got many competitors? Irrel Are there leagues? No Is he going in higher and higher leagues w.r.t others? Noish - leagues is not the correct concept Is there many people competing at hogh levels in that sport? Irrel Is he still playing with "lower level people"? Yes Did he want to compete with people at his same level? Irrel

He enjoys less = he is bored? No Do the rules of the game No/place in which it is played yope change the higher the league/the level reached? Did he want to reach a very high level? Yes Does the sport become more cruel the higher the level? Yope Competitors more competitive in a negative way? No
Is it(the fact that he enjoys less) a matter of his opponents? Of the sport per se? Of him growing? If so growing up in age? Physically? Both? No to all

Team = the team which actually plays ( bleachers excluded I mean) is composed by 2 people? 3? 11? 5? More than 4? More than 11?
Can we invoke the list of team sports? Is it basket? Volley? Beach volley? Football? Rugby? Polo? Water polo? Curling? Relay race? FA - it is not a team sport
Is it played on the beach? On the snow? On a field? In inside? This In outside? Relevant? Yes

[Earnest]

It is a sport done in group but not a team sport...so is it a sport which has competitions among people playing it? Is it played by more than 5 people? More than 11 people? Does it involve a ball? If so a curcular ball? A frisbee? A bowl? Darts? Is it usually played in halls? In specific places devoted to it? In swimming pools? Martial arts involved?
Are there scores? Is the winner the one scoring more? The one reaching a place first? Is it a conventional sport?

the better he gets = in the course of months/years? Or could it be even in a single competition? (E.g. the better he gets in the match, the less he enjoys the hobby in general?)

Is there a relevant equipment needed for playing the sport? Is it the hogher the level the less the equipmebt/defenses?
The better he becomes the less he enjoys = the more cruel he needs to be to win? Is the public relevant? More violence demanding?

Tentative WAG --> was it a paraolympic sport and his disability was such that he had still a great advantage w.r.t. opponents? (E.g. he was deaf and played parolympic basket/ he was very tall and played sit down volley...)

Are there several disciplines of the sport? Relevant? Do the equipements change the better one becomes? Relevant? Did he enjoy every discipline of the sport? Is it a group sport in the sense that there is a single one competeing but a team behind him (e.g. formula1 pilots...)

[Enjay]

It is a sport done in group but not a team sport...so is it a sport which has competitions among people playing it? Yes Is it played by more than 5 people? More than 11 people? Yes
Does it involve a ball? If so a curcular ball? A frisbee? A bowl? Darts? No to all
Is it usually played in halls? This... In specific places devoted to it? ...or this In swimming pools? Martial arts involved? Yes
Are there scores? Yes, when done competitively, irrel to this puzzle but Is the winner the one scoring more? The one reaching a place first? Is it a conventional sport? I would say yes

the better he gets = in the course of months/years? This Or could it be even in a single competition? No (E.g. the better he gets in the match, the less he enjoys the hobby in general?)

Is there a relevant equipment needed for playing the sport? No Is it the hogher the level the less the equipmebt/defenses? No
The better he becomes the less he enjoys = the more cruel he needs to be to win? No Is the public relevant? No More violence demanding? No

Tentative WAG --> was it a paraolympic sport and his disability was such that he had still a great advantage w.r.t. opponents? (E.g. he was deaf and played parolympic basket/ he was very tall and played sit down volley...) No but good thinking!

Are there several disciplines of the sport? Irrel Relevant? Do the equipements change the better one becomes? No Relevant? Did he enjoy every discipline of the sport? Assume yes Is it a group sport in the sense that there is a single one competeing but a team behind him (e.g. formula1 pilots...) No

[Earnest]

Martial arts = karate? Judo? Aikido? MMA? Sumo? Krav maga? Boxing? Muai thai? Kung fu? Shaolin? Capoeira? If the latter, did he enjoy less because at the beginning it's presented as a sort of dance and then it becomes a martial art?
Ok...not really sure if you know this sport but...is it calcio fiorentino?

More than 11 people fighting against each others? Or is it more than 11 people making sort of representations with a jury judging their performances? Do the beginners fight against each other? Do the ones getting better? If so, do they use weapons? A different type of weapons?

Did he enjoy less because the sport becomes more dangerous the better he becomes? It takes more and more effort to become better when a certain level is reached? Did he mostly enjoy less due to the training he needed to make? To the type of competitions mostly? His opponents?Other factors?

[invisiblemimsy]

Is it something like: he teaches Judo, and the better he gets at it, the fewer opponents he has? Or the more opponents he has at his level? Will he eventually run out of the pool of people to teach, which is making him sad? Age relevant (or him, of the students)?
Something to do with his age? His abilities? Is he getting better or worse?

[invisiblemimsy]

Is it something like: he teaches Judo, and the better he gets at it, the fewer opponents he has? Or the more opponents he has at his level? Will he eventually run out of the pool of people to teach, which is making him sad? Age relevant (or him, of the students)?
Something to do with his age? His abilities? Is he getting better or worse? Are stunts relevant?
The film industry?

[GalFisk]

Is comedy relevant? Clumsiness? Is he Jackie Chan?

[Enjay]

Martial arts = karate? Judo? Aikido? MMA? Sumo? Krav maga? Boxing? Muai thai? Kung fu? Shaolin? Capoeira? To save you the list it was taekwondo - I think this would work with other martial arts but not sure. If the latter, did he enjoy less because at the beginning it's presented as a sort of dance and then it becomes a martial art? No
Ok...not really sure if you know this sport but...is it calcio fiorentino? No

More than 11 people fighting against each others? No Or is it more than 11 people making sort of representations with a jury judging their performances? This is closer to the relevant aspect
Do the beginners fight against each other? Do the ones getting better? If so, do they use weapons? A different type of weapons? Irrel to all

Did he enjoy less because the sport becomes more dangerous the better he becomes? No It takes more and more effort to become better when a certain level is reached? No Did he mostly enjoy less due to the training he needed to make? To the type of competitions mostly? His opponents?Other factors? This


Is it something like: he teaches Judo, and the better he gets at it, the fewer opponents he has? No Or the more opponents he has at his level? No Will he eventually run out of the pool of people to teach, which is making him sad? No Age relevant (or him, of the students)? No
Something to do with his age? No His abilities? No Is he getting better or worse? Better Are stunts relevant? No
The film industry? No


Is comedy relevant? Clumsiness? Is he Jackie Chan? No to all

[Earnest]

Is he procuring more injuries on his legs the more he goes on with that sport?

[invisiblemimsy]

Does he have to teach more? Does he not like teaching? Does he have to fight more? Less? Will he get to the point where he doesn't enjoy it at all? Where he actually dislikes it? Will he have to be a judge? Is he already a judge? Will he have to judge his peers, friends, family? Is there something new about the sport? Is the nature of the sport changing? Is HIS experience of the sport changing?

[Enjay]

Is he procuring more injuries on his legs the more he goes on with that sport? No

Does he have to teach more? No Does he not like teaching? Irrel, he is not a teacher Does he have to fight more? Less? Irrel Will he get to the point where he doesn't enjoy it at all? Possibly Where he actually dislikes it? Possibly Will he have to be a judge? Irrel Is he already a judge? No Will he have to judge his peers, friends, family? No Is there something new about the sport? No Is the nature of the sport changing? No Is HIS experience of the sport changing? Yes

[Earnest]

Is there a tatami? Do they need to wear shoes relevantly? Is it something like: the higher the level the more the public in the hall roaring and screaming, hence the more the echo? If not is it on those lines (something changing around him...)

[invisiblemimsy]

Is it to do with pain in any way? Is he a masochist? So that the less pain he suffers (as he gets more skilful) the less satisfied he feels? Would this puzzle work with another martial art? Is it to do with the training of the body? The training of the mind? The other participants? E.g. is there someone he doesn't want to fight, but as he gets more skilled, he is more likely to have to fight them? Is it to do with the master? Is he related to the master or any of the others? Colours of belts/rank relevant?

[Enjay]

Is there a tatami? Irrel Do they need to wear shoes relevantly? Irrel Is it something like: the higher the level the more the public in the hall roaring and screaming, hence the more the echo? No If not is it on those lines (something changing around him...) Yes, explore along these lines

Is it to do with pain in any way? No Is he a masochist? No So that the less pain he suffers (as he gets more skilful) the less satisfied he feels? No Would this puzzle work with another martial art? I'm sure it would work with others but don't know enough to say for sure
Is it to do with the training of the body? The training of the mind? The other participants? No to all E.g. is there someone he doesn't want to fight, but as he gets more skilled, he is more likely to have to fight them? No Is it to do with the master? No Is he related to the master or any of the others? No Colours of belts No/rank Yes relevant?

[wolfier]

do lower rank players refuse to spar with him (to avoid getting hurt) as he gets better?

does it have anything to do with the fact that when you climb ranks in TKD you'll have to study theories, history, do researches and written tests, etc?

[Earnest]

Did someone expect more to him? R

[Enjay]

do lower rank players refuse to spar with him (to avoid getting hurt) as he gets better? No/irrel

does it have anything to do with the fact that when you climb ranks in TKD you'll have to study theories, history, do researches and written tests, etc? No

Did someone expect more to him? R No

[Earnest]

Is the way in which he is judged relevant? Do judges assign grades? If so, all together? One per time? Do they progressively eliminate people from competition? Relevant? Relevant who are the judges? Is there music in the hall during performances? Any form of disturbance? Are formal greetings to judges relevant? Tricks? The possibility of assuming substances to boost the level? Is the way in which he needed to compete changed? Relevant the way to move from a rank to an higher one? Was there a theoretical examination too? Relevant what he needed to do in competitions a part from performing and maybe learning by heart japanese (or chinese?!) words to perform the right moves? Do the 11 perform all together? One per time? Relevant? Can we assume that he is fine in competing inside a hall rather than outside?

[Enjay]

Is the way in which he is judged relevant? Do judges assign grades? If so, all together? One per time? Do they progressively eliminate people from competition? Relevant? Relevant who are the judges? Is there music in the hall during performances? All irrelevant
Any form of disturbance? Yope
Are formal greetings to judges relevant? Tricks? The possibility of assuming substances to boost the level? Is the way in which he needed to compete changed? No to all
Relevant the way to move from a rank to an higher one? No, but something about moving up in rank is relevant
Was there a theoretical examination too? Irrelevant
Relevant what he needed to do in competitions a part from performing and maybe learning by heart japanese (or chinese?!) words to perform the right moves? Irrel (taekwondo actually uses Korean terms)
Do the 11 perform all together? This (though there are more than 11) One per time? Relevant? Yes Can we assume that he is fine in competing inside a hall rather than outside? He is inside, and that is relevant. He isn't competing though.

[WiZ]

Is there anything relevant about his age, physical appearance, mental health or life story?

[Enjay]

Is there anything relevant about his age, physical appearance, mental health or life story? No to all

[wolfier]

does moving up tank require more investment in terms of time or money?

[Enjay]

does moving up tank require more investment in terms of time or money? No

Hint: this particularly applies in summer.

[wolfier]

group form relevant? did he find it too crowded and sweaty?

[Enjay]

group form relevant? Yes, if you mean what I think by this - the layout of the group is relevant
did he find it too crowded and sweaty? Yes!

[wolfier]

Ok...does it mean as he climbs in ranks, he's gradually being moved to the centre of the group form? And it makes it very hot and sweaty because of poor ventilation? Are other athletes in his group blocking the wind, natural or artificial?

[Enjay]

Ok...does it mean as he climbs in ranks, he's gradually being moved to the centre of the group form? And it makes it very hot and sweaty because of poor ventilation? Are other athletes in his group blocking the wind, natural or artificial? Yes!

*****SPOILER*****

In taekwondo, and probably other martial art forms, classes take place in ranked lines with the lowest ranked students at one side of the hall and the highest ranked at the other end. As Jason improves and reaches higher rank, he moves further away from the side of the hall with windows, which means he enjoys the classes less as he gets too hot and has no ventilation nearby.

Thanks for playing all,especially Earnest and wolfier for the solve!

[Earnest]

Thank you too! Sorry for not having taken part yo the puzzle anymore