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[WiZ] Another New Zealand Puzzle

Postby WiZ » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:50 pm

Dunedin is the city with the lowest average income in New Zealand. A visiting sociology lecturer from an Australian university concluded that there was a shortage of food and the people were going hungry. He was incorrect, but what led him to this conclusion?

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Postby Earnest » Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:05 am

Did he base on statistical evidences(per capita income...) or from something he saw? Is Dunedin a big city? Have the inhabitant of Dunedin some habits in matter of food/nutrition? Did he base his thesis on some typical dish of the city? Did he see someone going hungry? Did he see someone that was very skinny? Is there just a town called Dunedin and he came in the right town am I correct? Did he report it in an official document? Was it a scientifical conclusion or did he just tell it confidentially for instance after having received a small portion of a dish? Are different uses and costumes between Australia and New Zealand relevant? Can we assume that he concluded it as soon as he arrived in the city even without having visited any of the places? If not did he visit a pub? A restaurant? The city hall? A lab? Did he just walk on the streets?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:19 pm

Did he base on statistical evidences(per capita income...) no or from something he saw? yes Is Dunedin a big city? 130,000 people Have the inhabitant of Dunedin some habits in matter of food/nutrition? yes! Did he base his thesis on some typical dish of the city? no Did he see someone going hungry? no Did he see someone that was very skinny? not relevantly Is there just a town called Dunedin and he came in the right town am I correct? correct Did he report it in an official document? irrelevant Was it a scientifical conclusion no or did he just tell it confidentially for instance after having received a small portion of a dish? closer to this, although this is also incorrect Are different uses and costumes between Australia and New Zealand relevant? I presume you mean 'customs', as the only real difference in costumes between AUS and NZ are the colours on our sporting uniforms. Different customs are yesishly relevant Can we assume that he concluded it as soon as he arrived in the city even without having visited any of the places? no If not did he visit a pub? A restaurant? The city hall? A lab? not relevantly to all, but explore Did he just walk on the streets? no
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Postby Balin » Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:05 pm

Did he see something throughout the city? Once? Multiple times? Did he see something food-related? Grocery shopping relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:10 pm

Did he see something throughout the city? yes Once? no Multiple times? yes Did he see something food-related? yes Grocery shopping relevant? yesish
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Postby Earnest » Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:27 am

Street food relevant? Is the habit of wrapping up leftovers (hope it is clear...I mean food leftovers) relevant? Did he notice a way to reuse food/spare on food that was typical of that place? Did he visit a particular place? A building? Was there a sort of celebration? A day in which an event was celebrated concerning the shortage of food in an historical period? Relevant the way inhabitants were dressed up? Is it something related to traditional kitchen? Dishes? To the place where the food is bought? To markets? Has Dunedin relevantly a port? Did he saw something concerning the supplying of food? Fishing? Hunting? Others? Concerning the making of dishes? The conservation of food? (E.g
Absence of fridges/difficulties with electricity...) Did he confuse a custom of the town with a difficulty? If so is the custom part of the traditions/releigion/culture of the town? Is it something the inhabitant of the city do every day of the year? ...did he visit the muslim wuarter and it was ramadan?

Food waste relevant? E.g. people throwing food...
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Postby WiZ » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:22 pm

Street food relevant? no Is the habit of wrapping up leftovers (hope it is clear...I mean food leftovers) relevant? no Did he notice a way to reuse food/spare on food that was typical of that place? no Did he visit a particular place? A particular sort of place, yes A building? these places were in buildings, yes Was there a sort of celebration? no A day in which an event was celebrated concerning the shortage of food in an historical period? no Relevant the way inhabitants were dressed up? Yes, somewhat indirectly Is it something related to traditional kitchen? yes Dishes? no To the place where the food is bought? no To markets? no Has Dunedin relevantly a port? no (although it does irrelevantly have one) Did he saw something concerning the supplying of food? no Fishing? Hunting? Others? n/a to all Concerning the making of dishes? no The conservation of food? yes! (E.g
Absence of fridges/difficulties with electricity...) very much along these lines Did he confuse a custom of the town with a difficulty? yope! If so is the custom part of the traditions yesish/releigion no/culture yes of the town? Is it something the inhabitant of the city do every day of the year? not every day, but for many of them ...did he visit the muslim wuarter and it was ramadan? no

Food waste relevant? no E.g. people throwing food... ...at the sociologist? Heh. No :)
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Re: [WiZ] Another New Zealand Puzzle

Postby Earnest » Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:46 am

Conservation of : fresh foods? Vegetables and fruit? Is salt relevant? Preservatives relevant? Do all types of food avoid the presence of preservatives? Is agriculture relevant? Like they avoid chemicals on fruit and vegetables? Conservation of fish and meat relevant?
Did they use an alternative way to preserve food? Conservation = avoid that the food expire? Food in general?
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Postby irishelk » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:05 pm

Were the inhabitants eating something that appeared rotten? Something that the sociologist would never eat, or would not consider food?

Sorry if this was already answered, but is one particular food relevant? A method of preparation? Does a certain NZ food need to be aged? Cooked in a certain way? Cleaned in a certain way? Stored in a certain way? Buried?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:46 pm

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Conservation of : fresh foods? Vegetables and fruit? yes to both, although not exclusively Is salt relevant? Preservatives relevant? Do all types of food avoid the presence of preservatives? no to these Is agriculture relevant? Like they avoid chemicals on fruit and vegetables? no to both Conservation of fish and meat relevant? no
Did they use an alternative way to preserve food? yes Conservation = avoid that the food expire? yes Food in general? no

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Were the inhabitants eating something that appeared rotten? no Something that the sociologist would never eat, or would not consider food? no

Sorry if this was already answered, but is one particular food relevant? no A method of preparation? no Does a certain NZ food need to be aged? Cooked in a certain way? Cleaned in a certain way? Stored in a certain way? Buried? no/irrel to all
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Postby Earnest » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:55 am

Was him able to see fresh food? Do inhabitants actually eat fresh food? Do they keep fresh food in just one building? Are boxes relevant? Did the sociologist expect to see something relevant? A tool to preserv foods? Boxes? Had he gone in a supermarket, woukd he have noticed the absence of something relevantly? Would he have concluded that there was shortage of food?

Conservation if food = did the inhabitant have the tools/technology to avoid the food to expire? Is the "conservational lack" mainly in the transporttion of food? In doing something that accelerate the expiration of the food? In doing somethibg tgat apparently contaminates the food? In not consuming the food? In consuming it with the wrong timing?

Do the inhabitants know the expiration date of products? Is the production of food relevant there? Do inhabitants attempt to preserve food?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:52 pm

Was him able to see fresh food? Possibly (he may have seen fruit in a bowl, for instance) Do inhabitants actually eat fresh food? yes Do they keep fresh food in just one building? yes Are boxes relevant? no Did the sociologist expect to see something relevant? yes A tool to preserv foods? no Boxes? no Had he gone in a supermarket, woukd he have noticed the absence of something relevantly? no Would he have concluded that there was shortage of food? no - good questions

Conservation if food = did the inhabitant have the tools/technology to avoid the food to expire? yes, BUT... Is the "conservational lack" mainly in the transporttion of food? no In doing something that accelerate the expiration of the food? no In doing somethibg tgat apparently contaminates the food? no In not consuming the food? no In consuming it with the wrong timing? no

Do the inhabitants know the expiration date of products? yes Is the production of food relevant there? no Do inhabitants attempt to preserve food? yes
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Postby Earnest » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:07 am

Did he go to a lab? Are animals relevant? Did the sociologist expect to see sonething present in supermarkets? Cooler?

Conservation if food = did the inhabitant have the tools/technology to avoid the food to expire? yes, BUT...--> relevant how far the building where fresh food is from where the inhabitants live? Is energy saving relevant? Respect for environment? Electricity? Do they preserve food as their ancestors did? With an ancient method? In a wood building?

Building where he went = lab? Something for food conservation? A warehouse? The city hall? A place related to food directly? A place where there was food? A certain type of food? Just fresh food? Also expired food? Did they use expired food to preserve fresh food (maybe stupid but consider it a WAG)?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:52 pm

Did he go to a lab? Are animals relevant? Did the sociologist expect to see sonething present in supermarkets? Cooler? no to all

Conservation if food = did the inhabitant have the tools/technology to avoid the food to expire? yes, BUT...--> relevant how far the building where fresh food is from where the inhabitants live? no Is energy saving relevant? no Respect for environment? no Electricity? no Do they preserve food as their ancestors did? arguably yes With an ancient method? arguably yes In a wood building? yes, but beware FA

Building where he went = lab? no Something for food conservation? no(t primarily) A warehouse? no The city hall? no A place related to food directly? no A place where there was food? yes A certain type of food? no Just fresh food? fresh food would have been found there Also expired food? irrel (but quite likely) Did they use expired food to preserve fresh food (maybe stupid but consider it a WAG)? no - and there are no stupid guesses
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Postby trebor » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:19 pm

Is saving money relevant? Keeping electricity costs down? Did he see a lack of food somewhere he expected to see food?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:27 pm

Is saving money relevant? Keeping electricity costs down? yes to both, but indirectly Did he see a lack of food somewhere he expected to see food? yes!
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Postby trebor » Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:38 am

Did he not see food in people’s homes? Did he see that people didn’t own fridges/freezers? Do they bury food there? Do they keep food elsewhere on their property? In a communal place? Is communal eating vs. eating as individual households relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:20 am

Did he not see food in people’s homes? He did not see food where he expected to Did he see that people didn’t own fridges/freezers? no! Do they bury food there? no Do they keep food elsewhere on their property? yes In a communal place? yes, but irrel Is communal eating vs. eating as individual households relevant? no
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Postby Earnest » Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:45 am

So in that place was preserved just food which otherwise would have expired? Or any type of food? Were there shops selling food? Relevant when people take the food from the common place? Just at dinner and lunch time? Was it dinner/lunch time? Was him in a canteen? Was it lunch time and he did not see anything in the canteen? Had he been in the town more than one day, e.g. a week, would he have concluded the same? Did he have a meal in the town relevantly? If so was the food he eaten taken by the common place? Was the food taken by the common place by anyone? Or just by someone? Did he visit a school? Are buffet relevant? Occasions where it is expected to be food in abundance?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:46 pm

So in that place was preserved just food which otherwise would have expired? yes Or any type of food? yes, but less relevantly Were there shops selling food? yes, but irrel Relevant when people take the food from the common place? no Just at dinner and lunch time? n/a Was it dinner/lunch time? irr Was him in a canteen? no Was it lunch time and he did not see anything in the canteen? no Had he been in the town more than one day, e.g. a week, would he have concluded the same? He may have corrected himself if he'd had more time to think about the situation Did he have a meal in the town relevantly? no If so was the food he eaten taken by the common place? no Was the food taken by the common place by any one? presumably Or just by someone? no Did he visit a school? not relevantly Are buffet relevant? no Occasions where it is expected to be food in abundance? no

The nature of the place he visited is probably the best lead for this puzzle.
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Postby trebor » Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:30 am

By “place he visited” do you mean the city? A specific area of the city? A specific building? A specific home?
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Postby Earnest » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:17 am

Did the inhabitants do it (keep the food in a food building in their properties) in order to keep animals away from food? If so, was the food in a building difficult to reach by some animals (e.g. a wood building on a tree)? Was the wood building in the garden of their properties? Insise their houses? Could be both? Did the sociologist see those buildings but did not ask himself what they were used for?

He did not see food where he expected to = is the food usually kept there by people (not from Dubedin but people in Europe/Australia/Usa...) in general? If so, every day? Just in special occasions? E.g. birthdays/celebrations/others? Did he enter inside houses? Are children relevant? Kitchens? Ways of trasporting food? (E.g. he saw a cargo of food with the name of any city in New Zealand except Dunedin) Pubs? Vending machines? Hotels? Public places? Airport? ...to be sure..he did expect to see "food" in that place means "edible food" and not something like "trash food"(E.g. he did not see organic trash in bins...) or "not yet worked food" (e.g. food like cereals in fields/fruit on trees...)?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:30 pm

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By “place he visited” do you mean the city? A specific area of the city? A specific building? A specific home? He visted several relevant types of home

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Did the inhabitants do it (keep the food in a food building in their properties) in order to keep animals away from food? no If so, was the food in a building difficult to reach by some animals (e.g. a wood building on a tree)? n/a Was the wood building in the garden of their properties? Insise their houses? no to both Could be both? no Did the sociologist see those buildings but did not ask himself what they were used for? no

He did not see food where he expected to = is the food usually kept there by people (not from Dubedin but people in Europe/Australia/Usa...) in general? yes If so, every day? yes Just in special occasions? no E.g. birthdays/celebrations/others? n/a Did he enter inside houses? Yes! Are children relevant? Not children, but explore Kitchens? yesish Ways of trasporting food? no (E.g. he saw a cargo of food with the name of any city in New Zealand except Dunedin) Pubs? Vending machines? Hotels? Public places? Airport? no to these ...to be sure..he did expect to see "food" in that place means "edible food" and not something like "trash food"(E.g. he did not see organic trash in bins...) or "not yet worked food" (e.g. food like cereals in fields/fruit on trees...)? correct
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Postby Earnest » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:05 pm

Pregnant women relevant? Adults? Old people? Sick people? Pantry relevant? Animals? Dogs? Others?...

Food = a specific kind of food? Animal food?

Is it sonething like food residuals(e.g. crumbs)? Or also food as just bought? (E.g. in boxes...)
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:51 pm

Pregnant women relevant? Adults? Old people? Sick people? Pantry relevant? Animals? Dogs? Others?... No to all

Food = a specific kind of food? Perishable food for humans Animal food? no

Is it sonething like food residuals(e.g. crumbs)? no Or also food as just bought? (E.g. in boxes...) no

Your question about ownership of fridges and freezers in these specific types of home is very pertinent.
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Postby Balin » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:18 pm

Do most people in these types of home own fridges? Freezers? Refrigeratable foods? Frozen foods?
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Postby Earnest » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:13 pm

Relevant where fridges are located in those houses? In the kitchen? Elsewhere? Outside the house? He did not find food in fridges/freezers? Electricity relevant? Ice? Are fridges used as fridges? Did they have other usages?

Type of houses relevant? Apartment? Estates? Others? Do they relevantly have gardens?
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Postby irishelk » Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:12 am

The place where the food is stored is a wooden building--their homes? Is it in the home but somewhere other than the refrigerator? In a shed? In a public building?

Do they have a way of keeping food cold other than the refrigerator? If so, by putting it outside? In an icebox/on a block of ice? In water?
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Re: [WiZ] Another New Zealand Puzzle

Postby WiZ » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:13 pm

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Do most people in these types of home own fridges? yes Freezers? irrel Refrigeratable foods? yes Frozen foods? irrel

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Relevant where fridges are located in those houses? yes In the kitchen? yes Elsewhere? no Outside the house? no He did not find food in fridges/freezers? Yes! Why? Electricity relevant? yes Ice? yesish, beware FA Are fridges used as fridges? No! Did they have other usages? No!

Excellent round of questions

Type of houses relevant? yes Apartment? no Estates? no Others? yes Do they relevantly have gardens? no

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The place where the food is stored is a wooden building--their homes? yes Is it in the home but somewhere other than the refrigerator? Yes! In a shed? In a public building? no to these

Do they have a way of keeping food cold other than the refrigerator? Yes! If so, by putting it outside? In an icebox/on a block of ice? In water? no to all

***** SPOILER *****

The lecturer visited the homes of several postgraduate students while on his trip. Dunedin is a cold city, with the temperature often dropping below zero in winter. Student flats are famously drafty and poorly insulated. It is common for students to store food outside of refrigerators (in a disused sixth bedroom or similar), as it is often colder in these rooms than inside a fridge (and they save money on power by not running the appliance). The lecturer, coming from warm Australia, was unprepared for this phenomenon, saw the empty fridges, and assumed the worst.


Congratulations IrishElk, Earnest and Balin for the solution, and thank you everyone for playing!
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Re: [WiZ] Another New Zealand Puzzle [PUT ON ICE]

Postby Earnest » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:11 am

Cool!
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Re: [WiZ] Another New Zealand Puzzle [PUT ON ICE]

Postby irishelk » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:09 am

Nice one! For my grandparents it was common to unplug the fridge in the winter and keep food in an unheated basement :)
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Re: [WiZ] Another New Zealand Puzzle [PUT ON ICE]

Postby WiZ » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:38 am

I was once told by someone that there is a uniquely underprivileged appreciation of winter, in which, if the weather is cold enough, you know your food will at least keep for another day if your power is cut off.

I wrote a song about it: http://archive.fawmers.org/song/23464
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Postby irishelk » Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:29 pm

It's lovely! The instrumentation has a kind of Harry Nilsson feel to it.
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