[WiZ] The Fisherman

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[WiZ] The Fisherman

Postby WiZ » Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:17 pm

A fisherman uses only a few inches of line, and no rod, hooks or bait. He only ever catches large fish. How does he manage it?

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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman

Postby biograd » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:41 am

Does the line serve as a noose somehow? Does the fish notice its presence, and respond to it in some way? Is anything else used in addition to the few inches of line?
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman

Postby GalFisk » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:32 am

Line: fishing line? Wire? Phone line?
Does he catch a specific species of fish? Is he catching them for food? Science? Sport? Do the fish die? Is what he's doing legal?
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman

Postby WiZ » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:52 pm

Biograd

Does the line serve as a noose somehow? yes Does the fish notice its presence, and respond to it in some way? no Is anything else used in addition to the few inches of line? yes

GalFisk

Line: fishing line? Yesish Wire? noish Phone line? no
Does he catch a specific species of fish? He catches large fish that are abundant in the area Is he catching them for food? yes Science? Sport? no to both Do the fish die? yes Is what he's doing legal? yes (where he lives)

WAG (which was rather more sensible than wild, it must be said) is incorrect; feel free to continue with questions.
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman

Postby GalFisk » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:01 am

Does he cath one fish at a time? Does the fish get caught on the line? Do smaller fish escape being caught? Does he catch fish in a: lake? Ocean? River? Stream? Pond? Aquarium? Is what he's doing illegal in some places where rod fishing is legal? Does he snare the fish? Trap them? Let them enter but not exit an area?
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:47 pm

Does he tempt the fish by offering it food on the line? Does he then grab the fish with his hands? Are the fish in a pond? Ornamental? Do the fish actually die? Is the line invisible? Plastic? Cotton? String? Something we wouldn't think of as line? Is it a line drawn on paper or in a picture or game?
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman

Postby WiZ » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:01 pm

GalFisk

Does he cath one fish at a time? yes Does the fish get caught on the line? no Do smaller fish escape being caught? yes Does he catch fish in a: lake? Ocean? River? this, no to rest Stream? Pond? Aquarium? Is what he's doing illegal in some places where rod fishing is legal? yes Does he snare the fish? no Trap them? yope Let them enter but not exit an area? no

Mimsy

Does he tempt the fish by offering it food on the line? no (he does not use any sort of 'bait') Does he then grab the fish with his hands? no Are the fish in a pond? Ornamental? no to both Do the fish actually die? yes Is the line invisible? no Plastic? Cotton? String? string Something we wouldn't think of as line? YMMV Is it a line drawn on paper or in a picture or game? no
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:04 pm

Does he catch fish going upstream? Downstream? Both? Relevant? Does he catch fish that are above a certain: width? Height? Length? Weight? Is he always present when the fish is caught? Does he kill the fish himself? Do the fish die the moment they are caught? Do the fish touch the line? Damage the line?
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman

Postby wolfier » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:14 pm

Does the use of the string for altering the flow of water?
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman

Postby WiZ » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:46 pm

GalFisk

Does he catch fish going upstream? Downstream? this Both? Relevant? I'm not sure this is helpful knowledge - I had to Google it Does he catch fish that are above a certain: width? yes, most importantly Height? Length? Weight? most likely these as well Is he always present when the fish is caught? yes Does he kill the fish himself? yes Do the fish die the moment they are caught? no Do the fish touch the line? no! Damage the line? no

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Does the use of the string for altering the flow of water? no
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman

Postby biograd » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:25 pm

Does he simply dangle a loop of line under the surface, wait for a fish to try to swim through it, and then pull it tight? Does he have some way of getting the fish to come close to the line (for instance building some sort of dam to confine them to a narrow space)?
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman

Postby WiZ » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:36 pm

Does he simply dangle a loop of line under the surface, wait for a fish to try to swim through it, and then pull it tight? no Does he have some way of getting the fish to come close to the line (for instance building some sort of dam to confine them to a narrow space)? no, to interpret the question in the context of your example
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman

Postby wolfier » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:12 am

is there anything else other than the line that is used for catching the fish? e.g. chemical?
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman

Postby WiZ » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:17 am

is there anything else other than the line that is used for catching the fish? yes e.g. chemical? no
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:10 am

Do other fish touch the line? Is a net involved? A cage? Is the line used to hoist the fish out of the water?
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman

Postby wolfier » Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:53 am

Is a fishing net involved? A harpoon?
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman

Postby WiZ » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:41 pm

GalFisk

Do other fish touch the line? no Is a net involved? no A cage? no Is the line used to hoist the fish out of the water? no

Wolfier

Is a fishing net involved? A harpoon? no to both
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman

Postby wolfier » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:06 pm

Is electricity involved? If so, is the fish caught by electrocuting it with electrical wires?
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman

Postby WiZ » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:12 pm

Is electricity involved? If so, is the fish caught by electrocuting it with electrical wires? no to both
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman

Postby WiZ » Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:08 pm

***** RECAP *****

A fisherman uses only a few inches of line, and no rod, hooks or bait. He only ever catches large fish. How does he manage it?

The line serves as a noose, of sorts, but the fish never touch the line. He does not use the line to alter the flow of water in any way. In addition to the line, he uses something else, but it is not electrical, a net, a cage, or a harpoon. He always catches fish of a certain width; narrower fish escape him. These fish are locally abundant fish of the same type, swimming downstream in a river. The fish are not dead by the time he catches them.
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman [RECAPPED 23/07]

Postby LemonCurry » Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:47 am

Would the fish avoid the line? Swim around it? Get somewhere where they could get caught easily? Or get trapped?
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman [RECAPPED 23/07]

Postby irishelk » Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:38 pm

Is he creating an environment that the fish feel comfortable in? I'm picturing the line maybe holding a rock or log with hiding places the fish will swim into?

To catch the fish, does he: pull up something that contains the fish? Pull them out with his hands? Stab/spear them in any way? Raise something beneath the fish? Drain the water around them?
Does a device pull them out without his direct involvement?
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman [RECAPPED 23/07]

Postby wolfier » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:31 pm

Can the line remain dry while in use, or does it always get wet?
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman [RECAPPED 23/07]

Postby WiZ » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:40 pm

LemonCurry

Would the fish avoid the line? Swim around it? no(t on purpose) to both Get somewhere where they could get caught easily? Or get trapped? yesish to both

IrishElk

Is he creating an environment that the fish feel comfortable in? no I'm picturing the line maybe holding a rock or log with hiding places the fish will swim into? incorrect

To catch the fish, does he: pull up no something that contains the fish? but he does somehow acquire something containing the fish, yesPull them out with his hands? no Stab/spear them in any way? no Raise something beneath the fish? no Drain the water around them? no
Does a device pull them out without his direct involvement? Not a device, but strong yes to this principle

Wolfier

Can the line remain dry while in use, or does it always get wet? It can very well remain dry
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman [RECAPPED 23/07]

Postby Balin » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:53 pm

Does the line force the fish to swim into the "container"?
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman [RECAPPED 23/07]

Postby WiZ » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:25 pm

Does the line force the fish to swim into the "container"? No
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman [RECAPPED 23/07]

Postby irishelk » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:28 pm

WAG: Is he using a bird to catch the fish? If so, is it attached to the line? A bird of prey? A cormorant?
Ooh, ooh, is it that horrible thing where they put a rope around a cormorant's neck so it can't swallow its catch?
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman [RECAPPED 23/07]

Postby WiZ » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:37 pm

WAG: Is he using a bird to catch the fish? If so, is it attached to the line? A bird of prey? A cormorant?
Ooh, ooh, is it that horrible thing where they put a rope around a cormorant's neck so it can't swallow its catch?

***** SPOILER *****

He is a cormorant fisherman, practicing a style of fishing that has been in place since the 10th century. He ties a short length of line around a cormorant's neck; this allows it to swallow smaller fish, but larger fish remain held in its throat. The fisherman brings the cormorant (and its catch) back to the boat and has the bird spit the fish up.

Despite the questionable ethics of this, such a practice remains a popular tourist attraction in East Asia.


Congratulations, IrishElk, on the solution, and thank you everyone for playing!
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman [RECAPPED 23/07]

Postby irishelk » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:39 pm

Excellent puzzle. I'd completely forgotten this fact--you dredged up some elementary school geography lessons.
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman [CAUGHT]

Postby wolfier » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:53 am

thanks for the reminder. I almost totally forgot about the existence of this practice!
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman [CAUGHT]

Postby WiZ » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:18 am

I do wonder which is worse - the hunting, killing and eating of one animal, or the pressing of another into unpaid internship!
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Re: [WiZ] The Fisherman [CAUGHT]

Postby peter365 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:43 am

I saw this in a nature programme once and was amazed at the ingenuity, lots of comorants on the river that runs alongside my work building. It's fascinating to watch them hunt, they eat small prey items while still under water but if they catch anything bigger they surface before eating. After a hunting session they'll stand in a funny looking pose with their wings outstretched in order to dry themselves properly.

I love birds and the comorant is high on my list of really cool wildlife that you can see any day without difficulty.
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