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[invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair *THYME'S UP*

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:25 pm

Janet groans and says, “I was dreaming about parsley.”
Will yawns and says, “No... sage.”
They both go back to sleep.
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby Earnest » Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:11 pm

Was will aware of what janethad dreamed? Could he imagine? Were they playing a game? Was janet surprised about what Will said? Parsley and sage = the plant types right? Was there a relevant smell? Were they at their bed when they had the conversation? Could he have also replied with some other plant? Could it work also if she had dreamed sonething else?
Was janet sleeping? Did they sleep inside? In outside? Did they have a plant in their bedroom? Was something cooked?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:29 pm

Earnest wrote:Was will aware of what janethad dreamed? Only because she told him Could he imagine? so no Were they playing a game? no Was janet surprised about what Will said? irrel Parsley and sage = the plant types right? yes Was there a relevant smell? yes Were they at their bed when they had the conversation? yes Could he have also replied with some other plant? yes Could it work also if she had dreamed sonething else? Yes, up to a point
Was janet sleeping? yes
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby Earnest » Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:40 pm

Did they have a plant in their bedroom? Was something cooked? Was Will sleepy? Was him sleeping as well? Near janet? Js Will a HAM? Is janet a HAF? Is will siri (vocal command on phones) on the phone responding to janet?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:06 pm

Earnest wrote:Did they have a plant in their bedroom? yes Was something cooked? no Was Will sleepy? yes Was him sleeping as well? yes Near janet? yes Js Will a HAM? yes Is janet a HAF? yes Is will siri (vocal command on phones) on the phone responding to janet? no
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby WiZ » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:16 pm

Is the 'plant' sage? Is it new? Is something happening that is exacerbating the smell? Is there a fire or increased heat? Wind or aircon relevant?

Did the smell of the plant influence Janet's dream? Is Will's response significant beyond telling Jane what she's really smelling? Will either of them relevantly remember this brief conversation? Are they being observed or recorded somehow?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:28 pm

WiZ wrote:Is the 'plant' sage? One of them is Is it new? No Is something happening that is exacerbating the smell? no Is there a fire or increased heat? Wind or aircon relevant? no to these

Did the smell of the plant influence Janet's dream? no Is Will's response significant yes beyond telling Jane what she's really smelling? FA Will either of them relevantly remember this brief conversation? not relevantly Are they being observed or recorded somehow? no
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby wolfier » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:16 am

If Will's response weren't "No... sage", would Will go back to sleep? Would Janet?
What if Will's response were "Yes it is parsley"?
Are the groaning and yawning significant?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:59 am

wolfier wrote:If Will's response weren't "No... sage", would Will go back to sleep? possibly Would Janet? possibly
What if Will's response were "Yes it is parsley"? Then neither would go back to sleep
Are the groaning and yawning significant? yes
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby biograd » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:51 am

Would the situation be the same if Janet had yawned and Will groaned?

Had the two of them agreed before they went to sleep to have a conversation of this type upon waking? If so, had they agreed on a "code", where "parsley" means one thing and "sage" another? Also if so, was Janet speaking before Will (rather than the reverse) also agreed upon? If the first one to speak had said "I was dreaming about rosemary", would the other have been able to respond?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:14 pm

biograd wrote:Would the situation be the same if Janet had yawned and Will groaned? The yawning and groaning as such don't matter, however the way it was set up is relevant.

Had the two of them agreed before they went to sleep to have a conversation of this type upon waking? It was generally agreed that a conversation of this type would occur if required If so, had they agreed on a "code", where "parsley" means one thing and "sage" another? yes... there's more to it than just a code though Also if so, was Janet speaking before Will (rather than the reverse) also agreed upon? no/irrel If the first one to speak had said "I was dreaming about rosemary", would the other have been able to respond? Yes
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby Earnest » Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:17 am

Following biograd suggestion...would the reply to "I was dreaming about rosemary" be again "no...sage"? Are humidity levels relevant? Were the plants there to indicate them something (e.g. oxigen level...)? Did they have the plants under their beds? In another place? Relevant where?

Did they use the code when they think to be in danger? When someone is coming? Were the plants in a vase? To be sure, there were just two plants in the bedroom where they sleep and were sage and parsley right? and were real plants made of leaves, which needs to be feed by water and so on..right? Moreover Janet was sleeping, woke up and said the sentence right? Would it work had she been awake? Was it relevantly night? Afternoon?

Were the two blind? Did they have relevant physical problems?
Was there a relevant reason why they grew plants in their shared bedroom? Was it a long time that they grew the plants? Are peculiarity of sage and parsley relevant? Was Will sure that it was sage? If so, because he saw something? Did he understand/know it from sage plant?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby wolfier » Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:25 am

does it matter why they were using codewords? are they hiding something? is there a relevant 3rd person? is any criminal act involved? in case the response was "yes it was parsley" neither of them would return to sleep, would they be working? walking? running? studying? escaping? doing something in a hurry?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:53 am

Earnest wrote:Following biograd suggestion...would the reply to "I was dreaming about rosemary" be again "no...sage"? Hmmm... The only relevant herb she might mention would be parsley. If she mentioned another herb it would be irrel and he would probably ignore her or tell her to shut up Are humidity levels relevant? no Were the plants there to indicate them something YES (e.g. oxigen level...)? no Did they have the plants under their beds? In another place? Relevant where? Assume next to the bed on his side, poss on floor or table

Did they use the code when they think to be in danger? no When someone is coming? no Were the plants in a vase? a container, irrel what kind To be sure, there were just two plants in the bedroom where they sleep and were sage and parsley right? No, actually there were more, good Q. and were real plants made of leaves, yes which needs to be feed by water and so on..right? actually the plants could have been alive or dead Moreover Janet was sleeping, woke up and said the sentence right? Yes Would it work had she been awake? yes, and the exact words she said were irrel, only the herb Was it relevantly night? YES Afternoon?

Were the two blind? No, otrt though Did they have relevant physical problems? no
Was there a relevant reason why they grew plants in their shared bedroom? yes Was it a long time that they grew the plants? it could have been any amount of time and the puzzle would still work (years... days... whatever) Are peculiarity of sage and parsley relevant? Yes Was Will sure that it was sage?yes If so, because he saw something? no, but... Did he understand/know it from sage plant? yes
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:59 am

wolfier wrote:does it matter why they were using codewords? Yes are they hiding something? no is there a relevant 3rd person? no or irrel is any criminal act involved? no in case the response was "yes it was parsley" neither of them would return to sleep, correct would they be working? this walking? running? studying? escaping? doing something in a hurry? and this
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby Balin » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:22 am

Espionage involved?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:06 pm

Balin wrote:Espionage involved? Haha! No.
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby biograd » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:47 am

Is the room where they are sleeping on Earth? on land? (I'm wondering about scenarios like they're living in a space colony or deep under the sea, and the plants are there either to produce oxygen or to monitor air quality somehow). If it's on land on Earth, is there otherwise a futuristic/sci-fi element to their situation?

Going in a different direction, is there a psychological experiment about dreams involved? Obviously dreams are involved, but I mean something along the lines of training themselves to better remember their dreams, or trying to induce a lucid dream, or seeing how smells influence their dreams.

Did Janet actually dream about parsley? or did she only claim to?

Are Will and Janet friends? romantic partners? colleagues? none of these? Are they sleeping at a home where they both live? the home of only one of the two? somewhere else?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:37 am

biograd wrote:Is the room where they are sleeping on Earth? on land? yes to these(I'm wondering about scenarios like they're living in a space colony or deep under the sea, and the plants are there either to produce oxygen or to monitor air quality somehow). If it's on land on Earth, is there otherwise a futuristic/sci-fi element to their situation? no to these

Going in a different direction, is there a psychological experiment about dreams involved?no Obviously dreams are involved, Actually, dreams are irrel but I mean something along the lines of training themselves to better remember their dreams, or trying to induce a lucid dream, or seeing how smells influence their dreams. no, otwt

Did Janet actually dream about parsley? or did she only claim to?Assume yes, but it was what she said that was important

Are Will and Janet friends? romantic partners? husband and wife colleagues? none of these? Are they sleeping at a home where they both live? yes the home of only one of the two? somewhere else?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby Earnest » Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:58 am

Did they practice agriculture? Did they sleep there every night? Were they able to see what surround them? Was there wind? Did they hear something? Did someone/something move the herbs? Mimetic wearings relevant? Sage Canada relevant? Flags relevant? Were plants extremely sensible to movements? E.g. they build up some kind of trap by tying an invisible thread to the plants? Are the leaves of the plants more important than the plants by themselves?

They could have been also death plants right? Are steps on the leaves relevant?

WAG...I have read that when scouting plants could be an indicator of the hour of the day or to orient...is it something like that? Animals during night relevant?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:37 pm

Earnest wrote:Did they practice agriculture? yes Did they sleep there every night? yes Were they able to see what surround them? no Was there wind? Did they hear something? Did someone/something move the herbs? Mimetic wearings relevant? Sage Canada relevant? Flags relevant? Were plants extremely sensible to movements? E.g. they build up some kind of trap by tying an invisible thread to the plants? Are the leaves of the plants more important than the plants by themselves? no or irrel to the rest

They could have been also death plants right? Are steps on the leaves relevant? no

WAG...I have read that when scouting plants could be an indicator of the hour of the day or to orient...is it something like that? not this, very much OTRT Animals during night relevant?no
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby GalFisk » Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:57 pm

Do they use the words to mean: the living plant? The culinary use? The dried plant? The odor? Something not directly related to the plants?
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Postby Enjay » Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:59 pm

PMed a guess based on something I read recently...
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:41 am

GalFisk wrote:Do they use the words to mean: the living plant? could be living The culinary use? no The dried plant? could also be dried The odor? yes, and/or taste Something not directly related to the plants? yes
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby GalFisk » Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:09 am

Are they both familiar with the taste of these plants? Is a relevant odor or taste present when they awaken? Have these herbs been relevantly discussed recently?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:52 am

GalFisk wrote:Are they both familiar with the taste of these plants? Yes Is a relevant odor or taste present when they awaken? yes Have these herbs been relevantly discussed recently? they will have been mentioned fairly often, yes
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby GalFisk » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:01 am

The present odor: parsley? Sage? Some other herb? Something else entirely? A pleasant odor? Unpleasant? A fart?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:46 pm

GalFisk wrote:The present odor: parsley? Sage? Some other herb? It depends on what you mean by 'the present odour'. UK right now it would be some herb other than parsley, irr which one.Something else entirely? no A pleasant odor? yes, assuming you like herbsUnpleasant? A fart?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:32 pm

***********************UPDATE***********************

You have enough information to solve this, I think!

Will and Janet are man and wife. They have several plants beside their bed, one of which is sage, another parsley. It’s night time. They are not blind.

If Will’s response had been, “Yes, parsley,” then they would not have gone back to sleep; they would have gone to work. Conversations like this would occur often. The ‘code’ was such that parsley meant one thing and sage another, though there was more to it than that. The odour and taste of each herb is relevant.

If Janet had said, “I was dreaming about (another herb)” then Will would either ignore her, or tell her to shut up and go to sleep.

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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby Solong » Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:53 pm

Is the presence of the plants in the room relevant? not relevant?
Is there a clock (alarm or otherwise) in the room?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:10 pm

Solong wrote:Is the presence of the plants in the room relevant? Yes. not relevant?
Is there a clock (alarm or otherwise) in the room? Good question. Yes there is, but not an alarm clock.
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby jumpingjacks » Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:28 pm

Does parsley mean that it is bright outside, ie. it's daytime? And sage means night? Is there a sundial in the room? A similar non-traditional clock?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby Solong » Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:36 pm

Is there a 'scent clock' that sprays different scents into the room at different hours?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:05 pm

Solong wrote:Is there a 'scent clock' that sprays different scents into the room at different hours? no, but otrt
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Scarborough Fair

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:24 pm

jumpingjacks wrote:Does parsley mean that it is bright outside, ie. it's daytime? yes And sage means night? yes Is there a sundial in the room? no A similar non-traditional clock? yes!


********************$POILER***********************

In the 17th century, in rural France and elsewhere, farm workers had to get up before dawn to begin their work. There were clocks, but as the repeating mechanism had not yet been invented, there was no easy way to know the time during the hours of darkness... until a frenchman, Monsieur de Villayer, invented a clock with herbs and spices around the outside of the dial, in place of numbers.


Well done everyone, and especially to jumpingjacks FTW.
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