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Postby Westing1992 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:00 am

When the Soviet diplomat visited America, he was shocked it was so unhygienic compared to the USSR.

(Based on possibly apocryphal story/joke.)

(Also possible quickie.)
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Postby Earnest » Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:42 am

Ok do are we talking aboyt cold war times?
America = USA? Could be also south America?
Relevant why the Soviet diplomat went to America? Was him shocked by something in particular? (e.g. if he lodged in an hotel, the hotel room where he lodged? A restaurant where he ate? An hospital? A bathroom? Wash the hands relevant? Rust? Personal hygene? Room cleaning? Dust? Others?) Was it the first time that the Soviet diplomat went to America? If not, did was him always shocked about hygenic conditions?

Hygenic conditions = are USSR traditions w.r.t. America's ones relevant? Can we assume that in USSR the concept of hygene was considered the same concept as in America? In other words...had an american found himself in the same conditions of the diplomat in America would he have been schocked as well? What if an american went in USSR and made the comparison with America under the hygenic point of view?
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Postby wolfier » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:43 pm

climates relevant? did the background need to be USSR? Would the puzzle work during the time of Tsars? Post USSR Russia?
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Postby Westing1992 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:10 pm

Ok do are we talking aboyt cold war times? Yes.
America = USA? Could be also south America? USA.
Relevant why the Soviet diplomat went to America? No. Was him shocked by something in particular? Yes. (e.g. if he lodged in an hotel, the hotel room where he lodged? A restaurant where he ate? An hospital? A bathroom? Wash the hands relevant? Rust? Personal hygene? Room cleaning? Dust? None of these. Others?) Was it the first time that the Soviet diplomat went to America? Assume yes. If not, did was him always shocked about hygenic conditions?

Hygenic conditions = are USSR traditions w.r.t. America's ones relevant? I don't know what w.r.t. means. Can we assume that in USSR the concept of hygene was considered the same concept as in America?Yope. In other words...had an american found himself in the same conditions of the diplomat in America would he have been schocked as well? No. What if an american went in USSR and made the comparison with America under the hygenic point of view? Do you mean that they'd consider the USSR unhygienic, or America unhygienic? Yes to the first, no to the second.

climates relevant? No. did the background need to be USSR? Not necessarily; variation of this type of joke/story could conceivably be made with many sufficiently different cultures. Would the puzzle work during the time of Tsars? Post USSR Russia?
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Postby Earnest » Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:01 am

Ups sorry, so w.r.t. = with respect to.

Did he read something relevantly? Different habits while eating/drinking relevant? Relevant that the diplomat was communist? Does Russia have the same hygene standards also today? Were them (those standards) prevalent in communism?

Drainage relevant? Funerals relevant? Disposal of graves in graveyards? Eating during funerals relevant? Breastfeeding in public? Kissing in public? Shake the hand to say hello?
Is there a specific act that he considered unhygenic? If so can the act be performed among just two people? More than two? Or is it a general sentence? Could he have told this also after being landed and got off the plane (assuming he is arrived with a plane right? Relevant?)? Means of transport relevant? Contact among people? Clean up the nose relevant?
Making showers/ washing relevant? Cleaning services/ washing clothes? The fact that several people in a clothibg shop can try the same dress/trousers/shirts...?

We said that also in USSR the same is done but in a different (hygenic for russian and unhygenic for americans) way right? Mayne reasoning on the reason why is unhygenic for americans in Russia is simpler since americans value are prevaling nowadays, do you think is a good strategy to approach the problem or is it misleadibg? Unhygenic for americans because of virus transmission
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Postby Westing1992 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:21 am

Did he read something relevantly? Different habits while eating/drinking relevant? Neither. Relevant that the diplomat was communist? Yope. Does Russia have the same hygene standards also today? I don't think so; I hope not. Were them (those standards) prevalent in communism? Yope.

Drainage relevant? Funerals relevant? Disposal of graves in graveyards? Eating during funerals relevant? Breastfeeding in public? Kissing in public? Shake the hand to say hello? None of these.
Is there a specific act that he considered unhygenic? No. If so can the act be performed among just two people? More than two? Or is it a general sentence? I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Could he have told this also after being landed and got off the plane Also not sure what you mean by this. (assuming he is arrived with a plane right? Relevant? Not relevant)? Means of transport relevant? Yes, in a way. Contact among people? Yes.
Clean up the nose relevant? Taking showers/ washing relevant? Cleaning services/ washing clothes? The fact that several people in a clothibg shop can try the same dress/trousers/shirts...? No to all.

We said that also in USSR the same is done but in a different (hygenic for russian and unhygenic for americans) way right? To clarify; Americans wouldn't consider the USSR practice unhygienic, but the USSR unhygienic for having this practice. Mayne reasoning on the reason why is unhygenic for americans in Russia is simpler since americans value are prevaling nowadays, do you think is a good strategy to approach the problem or is it misleadibg? Unhygenic for americans because of virus transmission
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Postby Earnest » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:51 am

In particular public means of transport relevant? Wearing gloves relevant? Wearing masks? Sneezing/coughing without the hand in front? Splitting relevant? Dandruff? Nose cleaning relevant? Ear cleaning? Nose blowing relevant? Bare feet on trains? Personal hygene relevant?

Americans wouldn't consider the USSR practice unhygienic, but the USSR unhygienic for having this practice --> meaning that the practice per se is not unhygenic but being done by USSR it became such? So do we need to explore relevant USSR habits/traditions which made the practice unhygenic? If so a relevant contact among people after the practice (e.g. sneezing with the hand in front of the nose and then shaking hand?...)?
Or maybe is it more convenient to explore the way in which people used means of transport? The way in which means of transport were made/planned/organised in USSR?

Contact among people = with hands? With cheeks? With arms? With legs? With lips? With nose? Others?
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Postby LemonCurry » Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:03 am

Are bugs relevant? Exterminators?
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Postby Westing1992 » Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:28 am

In particular public means of transport relevant? Yes. Wearing gloves relevant? Wearing masks? Sneezing/coughing without the hand in front? Splitting relevant? Dandruff? Nose cleaning relevant? Ear cleaning? Nose blowing relevant? Bare feet on trains? Personal hygene relevant? None of these.

Americans wouldn't consider the USSR practice unhygienic, but the USSR unhygienic for having this practice --> meaning that the practice per se is not unhygenic but being done by USSR it became such? No. So do we need to explore relevant USSR habits/traditions which made the practice unhygenic? If so a relevant contact among people after the practice (e.g. sneezing with the hand in front of the nose and then shaking hand?...)? No.
Or maybe is it more convenient to explore the way in which people used means of transport? The way in which means of transport were made/planned/organised in USSR? A little bit of this.

Contact among people = with hands? With cheeks? With arms? With legs? With lips? With nose? Others? Just general contact.

Are bugs relevant? Yes! Exterminators? DOYD of exterminators.
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Postby Earnest » Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:12 am

Recapping: relevant: general contact with people; public means of transport; bugs, right?

To be sure...Beatles relevant? Occidental culture?
Bugs = all types of bugs? Cockroaches? Flying bugs? Way of killing bugs relevant? E.g. with hands? Bugs = alive bugs? Dead ones? Relevant? Bugs in public means of transport? Midges on windscreen relevant? Are bugs relevant inside the mean of transport for the puzzle to work? Outside? Squashing bugs relevant? Red bugs relevant?
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Postby Westing1992 » Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:31 am

Recapping: relevant: general contact with people; public means of transport; bugs, right? Correct.

To be sure...Beatles relevant? No. Occidental culture? Only in the sense of "not communist Russia".
Bugs = all types of bugs? Just a certain type. Cockroaches? Flying bugs? Neither of these. Way of killing bugs relevant? Yes! E.g. with hands? But not this. Bugs = alive bugs? Alive, generally. Dead ones? Relevant? Bugs in public means of transport? Yes. Midges on windscreen relevant? No. Are bugs relevant inside the mean of transport for the puzzle to work? Outside? Mainly inside, but that may be misleading. Squashing bugs relevant? No. Red bugs relevant? [Not quite, but close![/b]
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Postby Earnest » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:18 am

Are spiders considered bugs? If so are we talking about spiders? Is the color red involved? Blood of the bugs relevant?

Way of killing bugs = is there someone specifically employed to kill bugs? Through an engine (e.g. with a vacuum?) ? By poisoning them? Is a relevant bug spray involved? If so used by many of the people? Nits relevant?
Kill bugs with newspapers relevant?
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Postby Westing1992 » Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:50 pm

Are spiders considered bugs? If so are we talking about spiders? Not spiders. Is the color red involved? No. Blood of the bugs relevant? No.

Way of killing bugs = is there someone specifically employed to kill bugs? Yes. Through an engine (e.g. with a vacuum?) ? By poisoning them? This. Is a relevant bug spray involved? Yes. If so used by many of the people? Only the people employed to kill bugs. Nits relevant? Yes! Kill bugs with newspapers relevant? No.
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Postby Earnest » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:30 pm

Relebant that nits are mainly in the heads of people? Did the employees poison the nits by touching the head of the people? Or did they check the presence of nits before by looking on the heads of people?

Poison them = by using the spray on people also? Did they use it on the diplomat? If so as a joke? Or because he was really suspected of having nits? Did the presence of people employed to poison nits made the diplomat think that atually the hygenic conditions in US were bad?
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Postby Westing1992 » Sat Jul 28, 2018 8:38 pm

Relebant that nits are mainly in the heads of people? Somewhat. Did the employees poison the nits by touching the head of the people? Or did they check the presence of nits before by looking on the heads of people? I'm not entirely sure; mostly irr.

Poison them = by using the spray on people also? Yes. Did they use it on the diplomat? No; the spray was used in the USSR. If so as a joke? Or because he was really suspected of having nits? Did the presence of people employed to poison nits made the diplomat think that atually the hygenic conditions in US were bad? No, but OTRT.
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Postby Enjay » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:00 pm

Did he think the USA was unhygienic because people there had nits, and he thought nits were attracted to dirty hair? I remember learning something about headlice evolving to prefer clean hair vs dirty hair, did Russian lice live on dirty hair and American lice on clean hair?

Did he think killing nits was an unhygienic practice?
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Postby Earnest » Sun Jul 29, 2018 7:14 am

So in USSR the spray was used, while in US something else? Did he see people scratching their head?
Did people in US use shampoos anti nits so that it was not necessary to have an employee employed to use spray on people, but the non-presence of such an employee led the diplomat think that US was unhygenic?
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Postby Westing1992 » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:07 am

Did he think the USA was unhygienic because people there had nits, and he thought nits were attracted to dirty hair? I remember learning something about headlice evolving to prefer clean hair vs dirty hair, did Russian lice live on dirty hair and American lice on clean hair? No.

Did he think killing nits was an unhygienic practice? No.[b/]

So in USSR the spray was used, while in US something else? [b]Yope.
Did he see people scratching their head? No.
Did people in US use shampoos anti nits so that it was not necessary to have an employee employed to use spray on people, but the non-presence of such an employee led the diplomat think that US was unhygenic? Close enough for a

***SPOILER***
The diplomat noted that, in the Soviet Union, one would find a delousing station for public use in every large railroad station, but, "Here in the United States, I've never seen one."
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Postby WiZ » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:10 am

Hilarious. I think a chemical plant worker would consider my office critically unsafe, as we don't even have showers on most floors.
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Postby Earnest » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:25 am

Interesting puzzle! Did not know about that use in USSR. Thanks for the puzzle
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