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[Balin] Elmer's Igloo (*UNLOCKED*)

Postby Balin » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:15 pm

Elmer opened a box because Alyssa bought a cooler. Why?
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby jumpingjacks » Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:44 pm

Because it was the box that the cooler was delivered in? =)

Elmer = HAM? Alyssa = HAF?

Cooler = box with a lid that you put cold drinks/food in to keep them cool? Was it a portable one? One you could take to the beach?

Did all the evils of the world tumble out when Elmer opened the box?
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby Balin » Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:22 am

Because it was the box that the cooler was delivered in? =) Ha! (No)

Elmer = HAM? Alyssa = HAF? Yes to both

Cooler = box with a lid that you put cold drinks/food in to keep them cool? Was it a portable one? One you could take to the beach? Yes to all

Did all the evils of the world tumble out when Elmer opened the box? Only four-fifths of the evils. (Kidding. It's a No)
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:13 pm

Are their names relevant? Is it Elmer Fudd? Is the cooler box the box in question? Would this still work if Alyssa used an old cooler instead of buying a new one? Was it the act of buying or the cooler itself? Presumably there are various actions between her buying the cooler and Elmer opening the box? Do we need to establish what the box was made of, its size, its use or any other characteristics? Ditto the cooler?
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby Earnest » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:04 am

Is it an iff ? I mean, had Alyssa not bought the cooler, Elmer would not have opened the box ? If so, because there would not have been a box at all? Because it would have been pointless to open the box? Relevant what the box contained? (e.g. it contained food that would have expired had it not been kept/stored in the right way, so that he opened the box just to put the food inside the cooler) If so did he put what contained in the box inside the cooler? Was the cooler used as a cooler? I mean, to store food and keep it? Did the box contain: food? drink? something that necessitate cold? technology?

was the box bigger than an amazon box containing a pc? Is it made of plastic? of iron? cardboard? Was the box a traditional one used to simply contain objects/food/others? Or was it a particular box where only certain types of items should be put in order to be charged/ kept cold/kept hide (e.g. money)/kept hot (if they lived in north pole a cooler would have been hotter than the rest of the environment)?

Did Elmer have the box also before (months? Days? Years?) A bought the cooler?
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby Balin » Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:12 pm

Are their names relevant? No Is it Elmer Fudd? No Is the cooler box the box in question? No Would this still work if Alyssa used an old cooler instead of buying a new one? Possibly Was it the act of buying or the cooler itself? The cooler itself Presumably there are various actions between her buying the cooler and Elmer opening the box? Yes, only some of which are relevant Do we need to establish what the box was made of, its size, its use or any other characteristics? Use & characteristics Ditto the cooler? Same

Is it an iff ? I mean, had Alyssa not bought the cooler, Elmer would not have opened the box ? Yes If so, because there would not have been a box at all? Because it would have been pointless to open the box? Neither
Relevant what the box contained? Not specifically (e.g. it contained food that would have expired had it not been kept/stored in the right way, so that he opened the box just to put the food inside the cooler) No
If so did he put what contained in the box inside the cooler? No Was the cooler used as a cooler? Not in the context of the puzzle! I mean, to store food and keep it? No
Did the box contain: food? drink? something that necessitate cold? technology? None of these

was the box bigger than an amazon box containing a pc? No Is it made of plastic? of iron? cardboard? No Was the box a traditional one used to simply contain objects/food/others? No Or was it a particular box where only certain types of items should be put in order to be charged/ kept cold/kept hide No (e.g. money)/kept hot (if they lived in north pole a cooler would have been hotter than the rest of the environment)? No

Did Elmer have the box also before (months? Days? Years?) A bought the cooler? No
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby Earnest » Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:36 am

Was the cooler used as a box? Was one of its charachteristics exploited? The fact that it is able to keep things cold? Was thr cooler relevantly delivered? Did Elmer opened the letter box?

Can we assume that the box opened by elmer did not contain anything? Did he relevantly put something inside it? The cooler? Was a gift been made?
Is the box a physical box different from the cooler? Elmer did open it and stop? Or did he also perform another action after having opened it? Before? Did something happen as soon as he opened the box? Could Elmer have opened the box also before Alyssa bought the cooler? Was the cooler smaller than the box? Bigger? My idea is that somehow they want to put or the one into the other or the one above the other...something like that? Is the box material relevant? The box shape? Was the ice kept in the cooler? Did they want to build up sonething? Did the box need a key to be opened? Was the cooler used to repair something? The ice inside the cooler? Was the box part of another object? (E.g. lawnmower, a piece of furniture, microwave..
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby Balin » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:44 pm

Was the cooler used as a box? Yes, in that it had something in it; however, this is not really relevant Was one of its charachteristics exploited? Yes The fact that it is able to keep things cold? No Was thr cooler relevantly delivered? No Did Elmer opened the letter box? No, he did not open a mailbox

Can we assume that the box opened by elmer did not contain anything? You can assume whatever you like, but this one is incorrect Did he relevantly put something inside it? No The cooler? No Was a gift been made? No
Is the box a physical box different from the cooler? Yes Elmer did open it and stop? Or did he also perform another action after having opened it? Before? Elmer did things (in context) before and after opening the box Did something happen as soon as he opened the box? Not relevantly Could Elmer have opened the box also before Alyssa bought the cooler? No Was the cooler smaller than the box? Bigger? Bigger My idea is that somehow they want to put or the one into the other or the one above the other...something like that? No Is the box material relevant? It may help in establishing context. The box was made of wood The box shape? Not as helpful - it's a small rectangular box Was the ice kept in the cooler? No, there is no ice in this puzzle Did they want to build up sonething? No Did the box need a key to be opened? No, good q Was the cooler used to repair something? No The ice inside the cooler? See earlier Was the box part of another object? (E.g. lawnmower, a piece of furniture, microwave.. No
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby jumpingjacks » Thu Sep 06, 2018 11:20 pm

Was the box one of those puzzle boxes? Did something about the cooler inspire Elmer to figure out how to open it?
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby trebor » Fri Sep 07, 2018 12:13 am

Was the cooler used to stand on? To prop/hold something up? Thanks hold something in place? To counter-balance some weight? Same questions for the box.
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby Balin » Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:00 pm

Was the box one of those puzzle boxes? YOPE Did something about the cooler inspire Elmer to figure out how to open it? Yes!

Was the cooler used to stand on? To prop/hold something up? Thanks hold something in place? To counter-balance some weight? Same questions for the box. No to all for both
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby jumpingjacks » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:15 pm

Relevant characteristic about the cooler -- the catch that releases the lid? Does it hinge open? slide open?

Yope to puzzle box -- it's not really meant to be a puzzle box, but Elmer just didn't know how to open it? Did the box have the same opening mechanism as the cooler?
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby Earnest » Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:29 am

Don't know what a puzzle box is...however....Was it simple to open the box? Did Elmer put lot of effort in it? Relevant how the cooler is opened? With an hinge? Is the cooler material relevant? Plastic? Is it rigid (hope it is correct)? Did he make use of the cooler directly to open the box or just as an "inspiration"?

something about the cooler inspire Elmer to figure out how to open it --> the opening of the cooler? Something that is evident also when the cooler is closed? When it is empty? Can we assume a very standard and classic cooler? Are there tools to open the cooler? Did he explout the pressyre made of what was inside the box? (E.g. he reversed the box) did he notice that ants went toward the cooler so that he decided to wait until termites eat the wood? Could he simply break the box to open it? Did he open it as it was meant to be opened? Did the box have a cover? Was it meant to be opened by lifting up the cover?
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby Balin » Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:59 am

Relevant characteristic about the cooler -- the catch that releases the lid? No Does it hinge open? Yes slide open? No

Yope to puzzle box -- it's not really meant to be a puzzle box, but Elmer just didn't know how to open it? No - I mean that it's not a puzzle box where you have to slide certain panels to open it, but there is a "puzzle" element to the box Did the box have the same opening mechanism as the cooler? No

Don't know what a puzzle box is... See above however....Was it simple to open the box? Yes, but see above Did Elmer put lot of effort in it? No Relevant how the cooler is opened? Not really With an hinge? Yes Is the cooler material relevant? Yes Plastic? Yes Is it rigid (hope it is correct)? Yes Did he make use of the cooler directly to open the box or just as an "inspiration"? Not sure what you mean - I'll say that he saw something about the cooler and used that to figure out how to open the box

something about the cooler inspire Elmer to figure out how to open it --> the opening of the cooler? No Something that is evident also when the cooler is closed? Open or closed When it is empty? Empty or full (but most easily discovered when empty) Can we assume a very standard and classic cooler? Yes, something like this Are there tools to open the cooler? No Did he explout the pressyre made of what was inside the box? No (E.g. he reversed the box) did he notice that ants went toward the cooler so that he decided to wait until termites eat the wood? No Could he simply break the box to open it? No Did he open it as it was meant to be opened? Yes Did the box have a cover? Yes Was it meant to be opened by lifting up the cover? Yes, although it was not quite that simple
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby Earnest » Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:54 pm

Did Elmer notice a relevant part of the cooler? Was the part that gave him the inspiration on a specific side of the cooler? Below? Is it a writing?
Can we assume that the box has nothing indicating where it should be opened and how? (A rectangular or square box without writings or lockers or something else)?

Did Elmer open the box personally? Let someone else open it (e.g. he painted the box as if it was a cooler and call the help number to denounce the box as a defective item)
Has the cooler something that also the box has but it is hidden by something (e.g. the wood that was blackening in that part) while it was not hidden in the plastic made cooler?
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby jumpingjacks » Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:16 pm

Hmm, so the cooler you linked to has a triangular swivel lid which kind of gapes open like a mouth.

Would Elmer still have figured it out if the cooler had been one with a lid like this one?
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby Balin » Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:19 pm

Did Elmer notice a relevant part of the cooler? Yes Was the part that gave him the inspiration on a specific side of the cooler? See next Below? Yes (on the bottom of the cooler) Is it a writing? Um... it's not words
Can we assume that the box has nothing indicating where it should be opened and how? Nope! (Rather, you should not assume that) (A rectangular or square box without writings or lockers or something else)?

Did Elmer open the box personally? Yes Let someone else open it (e.g. he painted the box as if it was a cooler and call the help number to denounce the box as a defective item) This is also really witty! (but not right)
Has the cooler something that also the box has but it is hidden by something (e.g. the wood that was blackening in that part) while it was not hidden in the plastic made cooler? No

Hmm, so the cooler you linked to has a triangular swivel lid which kind of gapes open like a mouth. Would Elmer still have figured it out if the cooler had been one with a lid like this one? I believe so (but I'm not sure if the relevant thing would be there if the cooler were not plastic)
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby jumpingjacks » Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:35 pm

Not sure I know enough about coolers for this! I'm not aware of anything on the bottom of coolers other than a flat expanse!

When you say bottom of the cooler, do you mean: on the exterior base? or on the inside?
Is insulation relevant at all? little compartments to store ice packs? grooves to insert dividers? Is the handle relevant?
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby Earnest » Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:57 am

So has the wooden box an arriw where it is suopposed to be opened? A label? An image? E.g. instructions on how to open the box?
Is the relevant inspirational part of the cooler peesent also in old cooler or it is more likely to find it in new ones? Does it concern a specific part of the cooler? (I am thinking about instructions of the cooler that he was able to apply to the wooden box)
Did Elmer notice a draw? An image? Numbers (for instance, he had instructions to open the wooden box but he had no idea on which of the images come first, second and so on. The cooler had similar images on the instructions that were instead numbered and ordered)? Same image that was on the wooden box? Same numbers? Is the shape of the cooler's bottom relevant?

Is the wooden box meant to be put in coolers?
Were there instructions on how to put stuffs in the cooler? Also wooden items? Were there tools?

Yes, although it was not quite that simple --> so before lifting up we should perform other actions right? Was there "invisible" plastic covering the box? Do we need to rotate the box? To remove a film? To find a tab? To cut something? To make pressure somewhere else? Others?
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby Balin » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:27 pm

[i]Not sure I know enough about coolers for this! I'm not aware of anything on the bottom of coolers other than a flat expanse! I actually didn't know about this until recently. (Feel free to use Google and other Internet help to your heart's delight.)

When you say bottom of the cooler, do you mean: on the exterior base? This or on the inside?
Is insulation relevant at all? little compartments to store ice packs? grooves to insert dividers? Is the handle relevant? No to these

So has the wooden box an arriw where it is suopposed to be opened? A label? An image? No to these E.g. instructions on how to open the box? It's evident to any observer how the box is to be opened
Is the relevant inspirational part of the cooler peesent also in old cooler or it is more likely to find it in new ones? I don't know Does it concern a specific part of the cooler? Yes (the bottom) (I am thinking about instructions of the cooler that he was able to apply to the wooden box) No
Did Elmer notice a draw? It can be considered this An image? Or this Numbers Yes, good question (for instance, he had instructions to open the wooden box but he had no idea on which of the images come first, second and so on. The cooler had similar images on the instructions that were instead numbered and ordered)? No, though Same image that was on the wooden box? Well, something similar Same numbers? No, but a good question Is the shape of the cooler's bottom relevant? No
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby Earnest » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:58 pm

Yes, although it was not quite that simple --> so before lifting up we should perform other actions right? Was there "invisible" plastic covering the box? Do we need to rotate the box? To remove a film? To find a tab? To cut something? To make pressure somewhere else? Others?

Sizes relevant? If so sizes of objects to put inside the cooler? Sizes of the cooler? Of a specific part of it? Temperatures? Number of delivery? Adresses? Telephone numbers?
(E.g. an operator which Elmer called?) Measuraments in general? Were there more than 5 numbers? Were the numbers connected one to the other?
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby Balin » Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:24 am

Missed a few in my last set of answers, putting them back in here

Is the wooden box meant to be put in coolers? No
Were there instructions on how to put stuffs in the cooler? Also wooden items? Were there tools? No to all

Yes, although it was not quite that simple --> so before lifting up we should perform other actions right? Before lifting the lid to open the box, something else must be done Was there "invisible" plastic covering the box? No Do we need to rotate the box? To remove a film? To find a tab? To cut something? To make pressure somewhere else? No to these Others? Something else

Sizes relevant? No If so sizes of objects to put inside the cooler? Sizes of the cooler? Of a specific part of it? Temperatures? Number of delivery? Adresses? Telephone numbers? (E.g. an operator which Elmer called?) Measuraments in general? No to all these
Were there more than 5 numbers? On the cooler, Yes Were the numbers connected one to the other? Yes, in a way
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby trebor » Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:01 pm

Were the numbers a bar code?
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby Earnest » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:16 pm

Before lifting up a code should be given? A password? A phone number should be called? Were the numbers random? Did they have a precise meaning? Had I bought another cooler would I have found the same numbers? If so on the bottom?
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:47 am

Does the wooden box belong to Alyssa? Would she know how to open it? Is it locked with a combination lock? And the numbers on the bottom of Alyssa's cooler are the same as what she uses for the wooden box combination?
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby Balin » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:25 pm

Were the numbers a bar code? No

Before lifting up a code should be given? Of some sort A password? A phone number should be called? Were the numbers random? No Did they have a precise meaning? Yes
Had I bought another cooler would I have found the same numbers? If so on the bottom? Quite possibly

Does the wooden box belong to Alyssa? Yes Would she know how to open it? Yes Is it locked with a combination lock? A type of combination lock And the numbers on the bottom of Alyssa's cooler are the same as what she uses for the wooden box combination? Close, but No

You're very much on track now. Feel free to use whatever outside (Google) help you need for this one.
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:35 pm

Is the combination lock the sort with the dial, where you turn it three times to the left, twice to the right, etc etc etc? Or just the sort where you twist each individual number to form a number sequence? Did Alyssa set the combination herself?
Underside of the cooler box - is the recycling symbol relevant? Did this suggest a direction for Elmer to turn the combination lock dial?
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby Balin » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:18 pm

Is the combination lock the sort with the dial, where you turn it three times to the left, twice to the right, etc etc etc? It is not! Good question Or just the sort where you twist each individual number to form a number sequence? It's along these lines. (Also it's not a padlock) Did Alyssa set the combination herself? Yes
Underside of the cooler box - is the recycling symbol relevant? No Did this suggest a direction for Elmer to turn the combination lock dial? No, but this is also OTRT
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby Earnest » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:47 am

So an image with non random numbers that are by default on each cooler right? And they do not change from a cooler to the other? Are they a date/time? Expiration time relevant? Are those numbers themselves the answer to Elmer's issue to open the box? Or are them a step toward the opening? (E.g. they were a cell phone number to receive a code to unlock some prizes so Elmer realized that Alyssa used the phone to generate the code?)

Are number combinations relevant? Codes? Is the main clue given to Elmer by looking at the bottom of the cooler: the order of something (numbers)?; the figure formed by clicking numbers (e.g. when a phone is unlocked usually an image is formed by connecting dots)?
Were the numbers at the bottom of the cooler inside an image? E.g. they were inside a keyboard? Is advertisment relevant? Were the numbers on the cooler from 1 to 10? Are phones relevant at all? Does the image descrive something that can be done with the cooler?

Are fingerprints relevant? Digital locks? Numbers were not random right? So is there a relevant criterion to order them? The images? The actions to be performed? Order number? Price?
The way to unlock something? Some bans for babies?
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo

Postby Balin » Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:59 am

So an image with non random numbers that are by default on each cooler right? Yes And they do not change from a cooler to the other? As far as I know Are they a date/time? Yes Expiration time relevant? No Are those numbers themselves the answer to Elmer's issue to open the box? Yope Or are them a step toward the opening? (E.g. they were a cell phone number to receive a code to unlock some prizes so Elmer realized that Alyssa used the phone to generate the code?) No, but you've got the general idea.

Are number combinations relevant? Yes Codes? No Is the main clue given to Elmer by looking at the bottom of the cooler: the order of something (numbers)?; the figure formed by clicking numbers (e.g. when a phone is unlocked usually an image is formed by connecting dots)? Yope
Were the numbers at the bottom of the cooler inside an image? E.g. they were inside a keyboard? No Is advertisment relevant? No Were the numbers on the cooler from 1 to 10? 1 to 12 Are phones relevant at all? No Does the image descrive something that can be done with the cooler? No

Are fingerprints relevant? Digital locks? Numbers were not random right? So is there a relevant criterion to order them? The images? The actions to be performed? Order number? Price? The way to unlock something? THIS is what I was looking for. Some bans for babies?

****SPOILER****

Elmer was in an escape room run by Alyssa. In the escape room was a plastic cooler which held an object to be used in the room, but Elmer looked on the bottom of the cooler and saw 12 numbers arranged in a clock, stamped on the bottom to indicate the date the plastic was molded. Elsewhere in the room was a wooden box with three spoke-like dials; from the numbers on the cooler, Elmer realized those dials should be treated like the numbers on a clock. He'd found a three-digit combination elsewhere in the room, and from what he'd seen on the cooler, he was able to use that combination to open the wooden box.

This is actually a true story, and "Elmer" is me. When I mentioned using the clue from the bottom of the cooler to help open the box, "Alyssa" said that she had no idea about the stamp on the bottom of the cooler, and that wasn't meant to be a clue at all!

Well done - sorry this was a little more complicated than I'd planned, but you worked through it well.
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Re: [Balin] Elmer's Igloo (*UNLOCKED*)

Postby Earnest » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:46 am

Wow cool!
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