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[invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:58 pm

Sally says, “Mum, what does ‘Old gold, the trucks are coming’ mean?”
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby gregoryuconn » Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:20 am

Did Sally mishear someone saying something? Was that someone her mom? IS "Old Gold" supposed to be "Oh God"? Is "the trucks" "the Turks" and the Turks were invading and about to pillage the citizens and kill everybody?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby Earnest » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:29 am

Did Sally hear the sentence? Read it somewhere?
Is it a saying? If so an ancient one? Is it correct?
Is the interpretation literal? Trucks = vehicles?
Old gold = exclamation?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby Twilightseeker » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:53 am

Is "gold" referring to literal gold, the metal? Does it refer to "old money"?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:22 am

gregoryuconn wrote:Did Sally mishear someone saying something? yes Was that someone her mom? no IS "Old Gold" supposed to be "Oh God"? yes Is "the trucks" "the Turks" and the Turks were invading and about to pillage the citizens and kill everybody?no
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:26 am

Earnest wrote:Did Sally hear the sentence? yes Read it somewhere? no
Is it a saying? no If so an ancient one? N/A Is it correct? yes
Is the interpretation literal? yes Trucks = vehicles? yes
Old gold = exclamation? yes
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:31 am

Twilightseeker wrote:Is "gold" referring to literal gold, the metal? no Does it refer to "old money"? no
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby GalFisk » Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:57 am

Is the original exclamation positive? Negative? Both? Neutral? Is it said often? Is it said about weather? Animals? Machines? Humans? A disaster? An event?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Sep 04, 2018 12:07 pm

GalFisk wrote:Is the original exclamation positive? Negative? yes Both? Neutral? Is it said often? a few times a week maybe Is it said about weather? Animals? Machines? this Humans? and these are involved A disaster? An event? this too
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby Balin » Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:17 pm

Did Sally hear "the trucks are coming" correctly? Or is that too a mishearing?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby Earnest » Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:16 pm

Did she hear it on a movie? In TV? On a Pc? On a radio? It was a video? A toy? Someone said it? Relevant where she was when hearing it? Amusement park? Cinema? On the street? In a building?

Word trucks is correct? If not "trucks" = "darks",?darts?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:59 pm

Does Sally have a relevant reason for mishearing? Are accents relevant? Is Sally very young? Does the speaker say the phrase with poor enunciation? Do they have something in their mouths? Are they eating? Do they have all their teeth? Are they gagged?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:06 pm

Balin wrote:Did Sally hear "the trucks are coming" correctly? Yes Or is that too a mishearing?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:10 pm

Earnest wrote:Did she hear it on a movie? In TV? On a Pc? On a radio? It was a video? A toy? Someone said it? This Relevant where she was when hearing it? Yes Amusement park? Cinema? On the street? In a building? This

Word trucks is correct? YesIf not "trucks" = "darks",?darts?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:14 pm

jumpingjacks wrote:Does Sally have a relevant reason for mishearing? Are accents relevant? Is Sally very young? ThisDoes the speaker say the phrase with poor enunciation? Do they have something in their mouths? Are they eating? Do they have all their teeth? Are they gagged?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:52 pm

Garbage collection relevant? Street cleaning?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:10 am

jumpingjacks wrote:Garbage collection relevant? Street cleaning? no to both.
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby GalFisk » Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:32 pm

Do the trucks cause trouble? If so: noise? Pollution? Vibrations? Congestion? Delays? Stress? Do they relevantly load? Unload? Refuel? Rest? Idle? Park? Do they carry anything? Are they pickup trucks? Flatbed trucks? Vans? Semis? Are they more than: 2? 5? 10? 20? 50? 100? Do they come unexpectedly? Do the truck drivers know about the exclamation? If they did, would they like it? Dislike it? Both/mixed? Be indifferent?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby Earnest » Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:27 pm

Were there trucks actually approaching? So she misheared just "old gold?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:33 pm

GalFisk wrote:Do the trucks cause trouble? yes If so: noise? yes Pollution? yes Vibrations? yes Congestion? Delays? Stress? yes Do they relevantly load? yes Unload? yes Refuel? Rest? Idle? Park? yes Do they carry anything? yes Are they pickup trucks? Flatbed trucks? Vans? Semis? none of these Are they more than: 2? 5? 10? probably this 20? 50? 100? Do they come unexpectedly? yope Do the truck drivers know about the exclamation? no If they did, would they like it? Dislike it? Both/mixed? Be indifferent? this
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:34 pm

Earnest wrote:Were there trucks actually approaching? yes So she misheared just "old gold? yes
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby jumpingjacks » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:43 pm

Is "Old gold" actually relevant in anyway? Would the puzzle still work if she had misheard it as, "Boohoo, the trucks are coming?"
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby Earnest » Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:32 am

Is the building made of glass? Is the movie "Cars" relevant? Can we assume modern times?

Were the trucks approaching from the outside of the building toward the building? If so, would the trycks have stopped once near the building? Was it the first time that the trucks came? Relevant who drive the trucks? Are trucks like couriers trucks? Articulated lorries? Tanks relevant?
Were the trucks coming in an ordered row? Were the trucks meant to transport humans? Alive humans? Nazi relevant? War? Were the trucks associated to sonething negative? A danger was coming? Death? (E.g. the trucks were meant to be used as barrier against an enemy so that people reason that war was coming also in the nearby?) Did the trucks want to unload what they were transporting? Was a protest going on? Did trucks belong to some authority? Firemen?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:15 pm

jumpingjacks wrote:Is "Old gold" actually relevant in anyway? Contextually only Would the puzzle still work if she had misheard it as, "Boohoo, the trucks are coming?" Yes, although 'boohoo' would not have been used. Don't get hung up over it ;)
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:21 pm

Earnest wrote:Is the building made of glass? no Is the movie "Cars" relevant? no Can we assume modern times? yes

Were the trucks approaching from the outside of the building toward the building? yes If so, would the trycks have stopped once near the building? they did Was it the first time that the trucks came? no Relevant who drive the trucks? yesish Are trucks like couriers trucks? Articulated lorries? Tanks relevant? no to these
Were the trucks coming in an ordered row? yes Were the trucks meant to transport humans? Alive humans? Nazi relevant? War? none of these Were the trucks associated to sonething negative? yes A danger was coming? no Death? (E.g. the trucks were meant to be used as barrier against an enemy so that people reason that war was coming also in the nearby?) no Did the trucks want to unload what they were transporting? no/irrel Was a protest going on? no Did trucks belong to some authority? yes, for svv of 'authority' Firemen? no
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Postby Earnest » Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:47 pm

Building = house? Store? Apartment? Building with multiple floors? An hospital?

Were there more than 5 trucks? More than 3? More than 2? More than 20? More than 100?
Were the trucks all equal? Were the trucks been called by someone? To solve an issue? Natural catastrophies relevant?
Authority = police? Army? Security? Politicians? Other authorities? Ambulances?

Were the trucks gone in order to allow someone to enter the building? Was the building occupied? Protest relevant? Did a catastrophy happen? A natural catastrophy?

Trucks = did they transport fuel? A liquid? A dangerous liquid? Solid things? Men? Women?
Weapons relevant? Bombs?

Relevant who said the sentence? A professional? Relevant his/her job? Did he use a gergon expression by saying trucks? Would anyone define them as trucks?

WAG --> the mum and the daughter were in emergency room and the girl heared a nurse that screamed to the others that a series of ambulances was approaching (maybe as a consequence of an accident or a simple transfer of patients)
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:53 pm

Earnest wrote:Building = house? this Store? Apartment? Building with multiple floors? An hospital?

Were there more than 5 trucks? More than 3? More than 2? More than 20? More than 100? about 10
Were the trucks all equal? yes Were the trucks been called by someone? yes To solve an issue? yesish Natural catastrophies relevant? no
Authority = police? Army? Security? Politicians? Other authorities? this-ish Ambulances?

Were the trucks gone in order to allow someone to enter the building? Was the building occupied? Protest relevant? Did a catastrophy happen? A natural catastrophy? No to all, FA

Trucks = did they transport fuel? yes A liquid? A dangerous liquid? Solid things? yes Men? Women?
Weapons relevant? Bombs? no to the rest

Relevant who said the sentence? yes A professional? n/r Relevant his/her job? no Did he use a gergon what is 'gergon' Earnest? expression by saying trucks? Would anyone define them as trucks? yes

WAG --> the mum and the daughter were in emergency room and the girl heared a nurse that screamed to the others that a series of ambulances was approaching (maybe as a consequence of an accident or a simple transfer of patients) lol. You and your WAG's Earnest ;-) No
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby Earnest » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:12 pm

So 'gergon' is a mistake xD I meant "slang".
The WAGs yes...I love them...I could keep on doing but sometimes even I consider them too wild

Trucks were called by someone, belong to some sort of authority and transport fuel and solid things right?
Fuel = did they transport fuel "directly" or "indirectly" (e.g. they transport for instance cars which have gas in inside?)? If "directly", was the fuel meant to be used to burn the solid things? If the fuel was gasoline, was it meant to supply other means of transport (e.g. airplanes? Trains? Other trucks? Cars? Others?)?

Was the house in a town? In the middle of the desert? Isolated? FA = the trucks did not go in order? Maybe they want to evacuate the building? Were the trucks driven by someone who was inside the truck (or were them remote controlled? Or were them Transformers?) Ghost busters relevant? Is it fictional? Real life?

Yesish to solve an issue = was there an "issue" at all? Was the issue inside the building? Outside? Were mum and daughter part of the issue? Victim of the issue? Issue = a man or a woman? A criminal? Was the issue inside the house? Near? Above? Below?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:35 pm

Earnest wrote:So 'gergon' is a mistake xD I meant "slang".
The WAGs yes...I love them...I could keep on doing but sometimes even I consider them too wild

Trucks were called by someone, belong to some sort of authority and transport fuel and solid things right? Yes, exactly
Fuel = did they transport fuel "directly" this or "indirectly" (e.g. they transport for instance cars which have gas in inside?)? no If "directly", was the fuel meant to be used to burn the solid things? FA If the fuel was gasoline, It wasn't was it meant to supply other means of transport (e.g. airplanes? Trains? Other trucks? Cars? Others?)? no

Was the house in a town? this In the middle of the desert? Isolated? FA = the trucks did not go in order? Sorry, I don't understand the Q. Maybe they want to evacuate the building? no Were the trucks driven by someone yes who was inside the truck but no (or were them remote controlled? no Or were them Transformers?) no lol Ghost busters relevant? no Is it fictional? no Real life? yes

Yesish to solve an issue = was there an "issue" at all? yes Was the issue inside the building? Outside? this Were mum and daughter part of the issue? no Victim of the issue? they were all victims of the issue, indirectly Issue = a man or a woman? no A criminal? no Was the issue inside the house? Near? this, and also the house itself Above? Below?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby jumpingjacks » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:44 pm

The fuel - was it solid? liquid? gas? Would it be considered an environmentally-friendly, alternative sort of fuel?

Is the issue related to the environment? Global warming relevant? Relevant how the building's electricity is powered? How they get fuel to cook? Heating relevant?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:29 pm

jumpingjacks wrote:The fuel - was it solid? yes liquid? gas? Would it be considered an environmentally-friendly, alternative sort of fuel? No

Is the issue related to the environment? SVV, environment within this situation Global warming relevant? Relevant how the building's electricity is powered? How they get fuel to cook? Heating relevant? no to all
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby Earnest » Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:11 pm

Coal relevant?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:24 pm

Earnest wrote:Coal relevant? Yes. It was coal.
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby Balin » Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:34 am

Earnest - the word you wanted is spelled "jargon"

Is it a good thing that the trucks are coming? Is there a shortage of coal in the area? If so, is that unusual?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:21 am

Balin wrote:Earnest - the word you wanted is spelled "jargon"

Is it a good thing that the trucks are coming? no Is there a shortage of coal in the area? no and irrel If so, is that unusual?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby GalFisk » Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:40 am

Does the coal itself cause a problem? Or would it have been an issue if they transported some other fuel for the same purpose? Cost of the trucking relevant? Cost of the fuel? Is the burning of coal an issue? WAG: do they have washing out, and need to get it indoors in a hurry, because the passing of the trucks makes everything dirty?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby Earnest » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:32 am

Yeas Balin thanks!

Was there a fire burning and they wanted to spread the coal to redirect it?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:52 am

GalFisk wrote:Does the coal itself cause a problem? The trucks were the problem, but the coal made it worse Or would it have been an issue if they transported some other fuel for the same purpose? Yes, it would still have been an issue Cost of the trucking relevant? Cost of the fuel? Is the burning of coal an issue? No to these WAG: do they have washing out, and need to get it indoors in a hurry, no because the passing of the trucks makes everything dirty? No, but this is a good line of thought.
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:45 pm

Do the trucks relevantly: cause trouble? Wake children? Wear down roads? Cause delays? Annoy people? Are the drivers relevant?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:06 pm

GalFisk wrote:Do the trucks relevantly: cause trouble? yes Wake children? no Wear down roads? no Cause delays? no Annoy people? yes Are the drivers relevant? not directly
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby Earnest » Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:18 pm

Did they load and unload coal? Is production of coal relevant? Forests relevant? Mines relevant?
Were they supposed to come again the same day? Like they were going from place A to place B several times? Did trucks raise dust? Were it a rainy day would the same issue have happened?

Are bridges relevant? Was the house in a relevant position? Like it was constructed over something relevantly? (E.g. there was oil below the house) The house got in the way of the trucks?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:46 pm

Earnest wrote:Did they load and unload coal? They will have done, but NR to this puzzle Is production of coal relevant? no Forests relevant? no Mines relevant? no
Were they supposed to come again the same day? no, explore Like they were going from place A to place B several times? They did exactly that. Did trucks raise dust? they will have done but that wasn’t the main issue Were it a rainy day would the same issue have happened? yes

Are bridges relevant? no Was the house in a relevant position? YES Like it was constructed over something relevantly? (E.g. there was oil below the house) no but OTRT The house got in the way of the trucks? no


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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby jumpingjacks » Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:06 pm

Was the house next to / near a coal mine? And so the trucks with the coal had to pass the house frequently?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:20 pm

jumpingjacks wrote:Was the house next to / near a coal mine? Almost... the house backed onto a railway track. And so the trucks with the coal they were relevantly empty coal trucks had to pass the house frequently? OTRT
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby Earnest » Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:03 pm

Was it an old railway track (older than the house?)? A new one? An active one? Is the coal the fuel for the trains passing on the railway track (supposing trains are passing from it)? Is the house goibg to be demolished?

Is the railway under construction (hope it is clear)? On an underground railway? Is the weight of the trucks relevant? If so is the coal worsening the problem becaus it makes the trucks heavier?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:36 pm

Earnest wrote:Was it an old railway track (older than the house?)? Irrel A new one? so no An active one? Usually, but not the moment Is the coal the fuel for the trains passing on the railway track (supposing trains are passing from it)? No, it just happens to be the usual cargo for the trucks, but mostly irrel to the puzzle Is the house goibg to be demolished? no

Is the railway under construction (hope it is clear)? It is relevantly being repaired at the moment. On an underground railway? no, normal above-ground railway Is the weight of the trucks relevant? no If so is the coal worsening the problem becaus it makes the trucks heavier? No, and there is no coal in them at the moment anyway
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby Earnest » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:13 pm

So what are we left to discover? What the coal was for and what the issue is?

Was the railway of historical relevance? Do trucks follow the railway? I know that there could be a sort of coal in between the railway (I mean between a wood pice composing the railway and the next one). Is it relevant? Did the trucks want to load some coal? If so would this cause the issue? Again, if so because, quoting Game of Thrones, winter was coming and there was no coal left for the people?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:47 pm

Earnest wrote:So what are we left to discover? I'll post an update What the coal was for as before, the coal just happens to be the usual cargo for the trucks, but mostly irrel to the puzzle...
...and what the issue is? Yes, what the issue is with the trucks, which led to the exclamation, "Old Gold, the trucks are coming!"

Was the railway of historical relevance? no Do trucks follow the railway? they are train trucks, so yes I know that there could be a sort of coal in between the railway (I mean between a wood pice composing the railway and the next one). I don't know what you mean, Earnest Is it relevant? I don't think so Did the trucks want to load some coal? No, sometimes they were loaded with coal, sometimes they weren't, NR. If so would this cause the issue? no Again, if so because, quoting Game of Thrones, winter was coming and there was no coal left for the people? no. Again, don't worry about the coal! Think about the trucks!
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:17 pm

*****************UPDATE***************************

Several times a week, Sally hears her dad say "Oh God, the trucks are coming!" (which she mishears as "Old gold, the trucks are coming,") and she asks her mother what it means.

There is a railway behind their house, and as well as passenger trains, sometimes there is a line of noisy trucks which are either empty or carry coal. (The coal itself is not important, except that it makes the trucks especially dirty). These trucks belong to the railway authority. The railway is not active at the moment as it is being repaired.

The trucks are causing a huge amount of stress for Sally's parents, particularly at this time, for two main reasons. What are they?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby Earnest » Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:43 pm

Ok...so are the issues connected to their possibility to move? To the streets being blocked? Had the railway been already repaired and functioning would the parents have the issue?

If the issue is just caused by the trucks, is it due to the space occupied by the trucks? By the way they reach the railway?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:42 pm

Earnest wrote:Ok...so are the issues connected to their possibility to move? Do you mean "their" = the trucks? If so, the issues affect the movement of the trucks. To the streets being blocked? No, the streets are not blocked. Had the railway been already repaired and functioning would the parents have the issue? No.

If the issue is just caused by the trucks, is it due to the space occupied by the trucks? Yes, very much this. By the way they reach the railway? They are already on the railway, but it affects their movement.
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:30 am

So the trucks are travelling past their house, using a broken railway? Or due to the repairs, the trucks have to skip a section of the track, and use the road instead?
Their movement - does it cause a lot of rumbling and vibrations? Does it damage the foundations of Sally's house?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:31 am

Is the relevance of "old gold" just that coal is referred to as 'black gold' and is, well, old?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby Earnest » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:49 am

Had they relevantly the car parked outside?
Space occupied by the trucks = where the trucks park? Where they go to reach the rest of the railway? Is ?he problem due to the fact that, maybe, in order to work, the trucks need to be kept turned on, which means they polluted the zone? It could be that since the family lived at the second floor of the house, all the smog goes to them.
Had the railway electric wires on above? (The ones to which modern trains are linked) Relevant?

Space occupied by the trucks = is the relevant space they occupied on the street? On the railway? Up in the air?
Do the trucks have relevantly cranes? Ecxavators?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:23 am

CAVEAT: I think some of you may be misunderstanding the word “trucks”. In U.K. English, “Trucks” here means “railway trucks”, I.e. towed receptacles for coal, or rubble, often open-top. NOT what we would often call “Lorries” which drive along a road.

So THESE trucks are the former and stay on the railway lines.
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:38 am

jumpingjacks wrote:So the trucks are travelling past their house, using a broken railway? yes, they go behind the house, along the railway, see CAVEAT above. The bit they shunt along is not broken, obviously; just further along. Or due to the repairs, the trucks have to skip a section of the track, It’s true they don’t have the full run of the tracks; assume they have say a mile of track to play with, and Sally’s house backs onto this stretch. and use the road instead? no, they are physically unable to travel on the road, although if we close our eyes tight and wish very hard they might sprout li’l truck wings and learn to fly :lol:
Their movement - does it cause a lot of rumbling and vibrations? yes indeed Does it damage the foundations of Sally's house? no, only her parents’ sanity and their chances of...
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:45 am

jumpingjacks wrote:Is the relevance of "old gold" just that coal is referred to as 'black gold' and is, well, old? She misheard “Oh God”. Sally’s dad is a Londoner and pronounces it “Aw Gawd”, on a good day. On a bad day, He pronounces it “****ing hell” but luckily for us Sally didn’t hear him on that day, or this would be a different puzzle.
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:01 am

Earnest wrote:Had they relevantly the car parked outside? irrel
Space occupied by the trucks = where the trucks park? wherever they happen to be at any given time. Where they go to reach the rest of the railway? usually they can travel anywhere on the railway and don’t park there. They would usually park in a siding or at the terminus. Is ?he problem due to the fact that, maybe, in order to work, the trucks need to be kept turned on, which means they polluted the zone? the trucks don’t get turned on. They are just open containers. See caveat above. It could be that since the family lived at the second floor of the house, all the smog goes to them. the family live in the whole house.
Had the railway electric wires on above? (The ones to which modern trains are linked) Relevant? irrel

Space occupied by the trucks = is the relevant space they occupied on the street? no On the railway? this Up in the air?
Do the trucks have relevantly cranes? Excavators no
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby GalFisk » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:38 pm

Trucks=railroad cars? Do they make relevant vibrations? Do people need to get out of the way? Do objects? Do they make things fall down?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:47 pm

The rumbling and vibrations cause noise? make them cough? ruin their sleep? make babies cry?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:29 pm

GalFisk wrote:Trucks=railroad cars? like this: Do they make relevant vibrations? Do people need to get out of the way? Do objects? Do they make things fall down? none of these are relevant
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby GalFisk » Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:24 am

You missed jumpingjacks.
Are the trucks pulled by locomotives? If so, relevant how they're powered? If so: steam? Diesel? Electricity?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:55 pm

jumpingjacks wrote:The rumbling and vibrations cause noise? make them cough? ruin their sleep? make babies cry? None of these are directly relevant. These manifestations could be perceived as a problem... but the main issue here is something else.

Sorry for the delay in replying!
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:01 pm

GalFisk wrote:You missed jumpingjacks. Silly me. :)
Are the trucks pulled by locomotives? Normally they would be, but at the moment, they're shunted If so, relevant how they're powered? If so: steam? Diesel? Electricity? NR
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby GalFisk » Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:52 pm

Do the trucks themselves cause the problem? Do the trucks appearing indicate that there is another relevant problem? Would any trucks coming cause this problem? Relevant at which time(s) they come?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:43 pm

GalFisk wrote:Do the trucks themselves cause the problem? Yes, in conjunction with another factor Do the trucks appearing indicate that there is another relevant problem? Not so much 'indicate' but when they arrive another problem comes into play Would any trucks coming cause this problem? Any dirty &/or smelly/noisy railway trucks Relevant at which time(s) they come? In a general sense, yes, but not a specific time o'clock
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby GalFisk » Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:10 am

Another factor: railroad-related? Coal-related? Building-related? Traffic-related? Family-related? Do they come at morning? Day? Evening? Night? Weekdays? Weekends?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:48 pm

GalFisk wrote:Another factor: railroad-related? no Coal-related? no Building-related? Yes, the noun not the verb Traffic-related? Family-related? YesDo they come at morning? Day? Evening? Night? Weekdays? Weekends? Potentially any, all relevant except night
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby GalFisk » Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:56 pm

Family: just Sally and her mom? A spouse? Other children? Age relevant? Sleep? Fear? Relevant building: the one they live in? Are there relevant noises? Vibrations? Edit: WAG: are the trucks so heavy and so close by that the building starts listing?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:04 pm

GalFisk wrote:Family: just Sally and her mom? A spouse? Other children? Potentially the whole family could be affected, although the mum and dad would be the ones who would worry about it Age relevant? Sleep? Fear? no to these Relevant building: the one they live in? yes Are there relevant noises? yes Vibrations? maybe Edit: WAG: are the trucks so heavy and so close by that the building starts listing? no, but there is another concern, potentially
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby GalFisk » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:33 pm

Money relevant? Moving? Do they own their home? Rent it? Does the noise decrease the value of the home? Their everyday lives? Is there risk of damage to the building? Is there increased need for upkeep? Repairs? Do they hope the railroad will see less traffic? Be abandoned altogether? Be removed?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:30 pm

GalFisk wrote:Money relevant? perhaps Moving? yes Do they own their home? yes Rent it? Does the noise decrease the value of the home? yes, and also... Their everyday lives? Is there risk of damage to the building? Is there increased need for upkeep? Repairs? Do they hope the railroad will see less traffic? Be abandoned altogether? Be removed? no to the rest
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Old Gold

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:02 pm

*********$POILER********

I just realised this one is done.

The railway is being repaired further up the line. Sally's dad says, "Aw Gawd, the trucks are coming" whenever the dirty, smelly, noisy railway trucks are shunted to park at the back of their house, which is often. They are trying to move house, and they worry the trucks will put off anyone who comes to view their home when the trucks are there, and/or affect the price. Sally's dad asked the railway not to park their trucks there, and they said they wouldn't, but still did.

Well done to Galfisk for the solve, and to everyone else who took part.
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