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[invisiblemimsy] Shine of the Times

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:05 pm

“And did those feet in ancient time…
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
…Among these dark satanic mills?”

Church: 6-10
Corridors: 2-4
Sawmill: 10-15
Classroom: 10-15
Kennels: No data

[clue: this is an object, like my other 'Sign of the Times' puzzles.]
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:04 am

Is it bigger than a breadbox? Is it manmade? Does it consist of: stone? Plastic? Metal? Glass? Rubber? Leather? Skin? Fur? Fabric? Ceramic? Clay? Wood? Salt? Ice? Water? Liquid? Gas? Is it clothing? Is it inflatable? Is it a machine? Is it one specific object (i. e. my car)? One specific type of object (i. e. a car)? Is it flammable? Explosive? Is it on fire?
Are the numbers ranges (Church is from 6 to 10)? Possibilities (Church is anywhere between 6 and 10)? Numbers of objects (there are 6-10 churches)? Satanic mills: is a Christian belief relevant? Amish? Mills: grain mills? Windmills? Sawmills? Factories? Relevant? Satanic: ungodly? Literally worshipping Satan? In line with Satanic beliefs?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:19 am

GalFisk wrote:Is it bigger than a breadbox? no Is it manmade? yes Does it consist of: stone? no Plastic? yes Metal? yes Glass? yes Rubber? no Leather? no Skin? no Fur? no Fabric? no Ceramic? no Clay? no Wood? no Salt? no Ice? no Water? no Liquid? no Gas? no Is it clothing? no Is it inflatable? no Is it a machine? yes Is it one specific object (i. e. my car)? this one is mine One specific type of object (i. e. a car)? but yes, there are many of them and they vary Is it flammable? no Explosive? no Is it on fire? no
Are the numbers ranges (Church is from 6 to 10)? Possibilities yes (Church is anywhere between 6 and 10)? yes Numbers of objects (there are 6-10 churches)? no Satanic mills: is a Christian belief relevant? no Amish? no Mills: grain mills? Windmills? Sawmills? this Factories? and this, and probably other mills e.g. cotton Relevant? contextually Satanic: ungodly? Literally worshipping Satan? In line with Satanic beliefs? the Satanic bit is irrelevant; the lines above are quote from ‘Jerusalem’ by Blake
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Shine of the Times

Postby GalFisk » Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:43 pm

Is thie object a phone? Is it electronic? Electrical? Does it have a display? Does it run on batteries? Does it have relevant content? Such as addresses? Videos? Lists? Does it have a wireless connection? A string? Is it bigger than a hand? Can Sawmill and Classroom be the same number? Is navigation relevant? Is data about the churches and so on being collected? Is a photo rerlevant? Map? City?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Shine of the Times

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:13 pm

GalFisk wrote:Is thie object a phone? no Is it electronic? I don’t think so but I know nothing about such things a Electrical? ditto, but more likely this Does it have a display? yes Does it run on batteries? no Does it have relevant content? Such as addresses? Videos? Lists? Does it have a wireless connection? A string? no to these Is it bigger than a hand? no Can Sawmill and Classroom be the same number? yes Is navigation relevant? no Is data about the churches and so on being collected? no Is a photo rerlevant? it could be but not its intended use Map? no City? no
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Re: Re: [invisiblemimsy] Shine of the Times

Postby jumpingjacks » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:57 pm

Are feet relevant? Is there no data in the kennels because its occupants have paws? Are the numbers the number of times the object might be used in those locations? The number of times the object is mentioned? Does the object do anything relevant visually? does it light up? make a noise? a beep?
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Re: Re: [invisiblemimsy] Shine of the Times

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:12 pm

jumpingjacks wrote:Are feet relevant? yes, but beware FA lurking Is there no data in the kennels because its occupants have paws? no, FA Are the numbers the number of times the object might be used in those locations? no The number of times the object is mentioned? no Does the object do anything relevant visually? yes does it light up? no but explore make a noise? a beep? no to these
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Re: Re: [invisiblemimsy] Shine of the Times

Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:13 am

Feet = human feet? bare feet? or feet of an object, eg a table/chair etc? unit of measurement?
Kennels - boarding for dogs? Are the kennels in this puzzle empty?

Object - does something appear on the display? an image? words? numbers? letters?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:27 am

jumpingjacks wrote:Feet = human feet? bare feet? or feet of an object, eg a table/chair etc? unit of measurement? this
Kennels - boarding for dogs? irrel Are the kennels in this puzzle empty? irrel

Object - does something appear on the display? yes an image? words? this numbers? this letters?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Shine of the Times

Postby GalFisk » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:03 am

Does the object display numbers? Letters? Is it a counter? Timer? Stopwatch? Does it display time? Does it display numbers of objects? Is it handheld? Does it hold coins?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Shine of the Times

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:10 am

GalFisk wrote:Does the object display numbers? yes Letters? there are words on it Is it a counter? not really, DOYD Timer? Stopwatch? Does it display time? no Does it display numbers of objects? it displays numbers of something... you might say intangible objects perhaps Is it handheld? yes Does it hold coins? no

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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Shine of the Times

Postby GalFisk » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:36 pm

Does it have buttons? Does it make calculations? Does it make measurements? Is it a slide rule? A caliper? A scale? A ruler? Something to measure length? Weight? Volume?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Shine of the Times

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:20 pm

GalFisk wrote:Does it have buttons? it has one Does it make calculations? Does it make measurements? yes Is it a slide rule? A caliper? A scale? A ruler? Something to measure length? Weight? Volume? no to all these
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Re: Re: [invisiblemimsy] Shine of the Times

Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:48 pm

Do the numbers refer to feet then?
Church: 6-10 ft
Corridors: 2-4 ft
Sawmill: 10-15 ft
Classroom: 10-15 ft
Kennels: No data

If you were in a classroom, for instance, would the display perhaps show "13 feet"?
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Postby Earnest » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:29 pm

Historical reconstruction relevant? Do church, sawmills...appear there? Is the object sonething that reproduces the approximated position of the places displayed?
Is the fact that sawmills and classrooms have the same ranges relevant?

Does it measure a distances w.r.t. something? Heigths? Widths?

Can the object be moved? Is the object a telescope and the numbers are the zooming options of the telescope/ latitudes/other coordinates?

"And did those feet in ancient time…
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?" --> is it a unique question? With subject = feet = unit of measurament?
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Re: Re: [invisiblemimsy] Shine of the Times

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:29 pm

jumpingjacks wrote:Do the numbers refer to feet then?
Church: 6-10 ft
Corridors: 2-4 ft
Sawmill: 10-15 ft
Classroom: 10-15 ft
Kennels: No data
No, FA. However, feet (as in 12 inches) are still relevant.

If you were in a classroom, for instance, would the display perhaps show "13 feet"?
No, you're describing one of these...
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It could show 13 somethings though.
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Re: Re: [invisiblemimsy] Shine of the Times

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:50 pm

Earnest wrote:Historical reconstruction relevant? no Do church, sawmills...appear there? so no Is the object sonething that reproduces the approximated position of the places displayed? no
Is the fact that sawmills and classrooms have the same ranges relevant? Yes indeed. Explore...

Does it measure a distances w.r.t. something? Heigths? Widths? It doesn't measure distances. However, certain distances are relevant to what it does measure. (Confused? :lol: )

Can the object be moved? yes Is the object a telescope no and the numbers are the zooming options of the telescope/ latitudes/other coordinates? no, buwt

"And did those feet in ancient time…
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?" --> is it a unique question? It's a partial quote from a famous English hymn, a cryptic clue perhaps. It'll make sense by the $P01L no doubt! With subject = feet = unit of measurament? This object is concerned with a unit of measurement, however this unit is not feet (as in "I am 5 feet 6 inches tall").
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:34 am

Does it measure size? Pressure? Altitude? Light? Sound? Direction? Buoyancy? Density? Caloric content? Flammability? Alcohol content? Freezing point? Temperature? Moisture? Conductivity? Voltage? Current? Resistance? Power? The quality of something? Radiation? Speed? Traffic volume? Number of somethings? Is it a tool for statistics? Taking votes?
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Postby Earnest » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:45 am

Distance: is it inversely or directly proportional to distances (e.g. the more the distance the more the unit measured? Vice cersa?)

Since in kennels it is written "no data" with data plural...does it mean that to come up with the relevant unit of measurament more than one info is needed? If so, other units of measurament (feet?)? (E.g. as in speed: meters and seconds...) Infos that are inserted by the user?

Is the user requested to insert relevant info? E.g. places (church, sawmill...)? Other info? For instance distance in "feet"? Qualitative infos? Quantitative infos? Does the object display numbers as a result of mathematical operations performed by the machine itself? Are them guesses?

Are the one displayed percentages? Are the ranges from 0 to 100? Is the statement of the puzzle an outcome displayed by the machine?
Do classrooms and sawmills have the same ranges because the paramenters to compute the outcomes were the same for both? Is one of the parameters distance? Is the other one, one of the ones listed by GalFisk?

Btw, do church, classrooms, sawmills, corridors and Kennels refer to the same place (e.g. a convent?) ? Are them different places located in a relevant area? Near one to the other? Relevant?
Is the machine part of a vehicle? (E.g. of an airplane) or is it independent? Is the object bigger than a phone?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:20 am

GalFisk wrote:Does it measure size? Pressure? Altitude? Light? THIS Sound? Direction? Buoyancy? Density? Caloric content? Flammability? Alcohol content? Freezing point? Temperature? Moisture? Conductivity? Voltage? Current? Resistance? Power? The quality of something? Radiation? Speed? Traffic volume? Number of somethings? Is it a tool for statistics? Taking votes?
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Postby Earnest » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:20 am

I think you missed my questions :)
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:46 am

Earnest wrote:Distance: is it inversely or directly proportional to distances (e.g. the more the distance the more the unit measured? Vice cersa? no)

Since in kennels it is written "no data" with data plural...does it mean that to come up with the relevant unit of measurament more than one info is needed? no, and 'data' vs 'datum' is irrel. If so, other units of measurament (feet?)? (E.g. as in speed: meters and seconds...) none of these is the unit, though 'feet' is closest Infos that are inserted by the user?no

Is the user requested to insert relevant info? no, although exploring other places for more data might be usefulE.g. places (church, sawmill...)? Other info? For instance distance in "feet"? Qualitative infos? Quantitative infos? so no, n/a Does the object display numbers as a result of mathematical operations performed by the machine itself? noAre them guesses? no

Are the one displayed percentages? no Are the ranges from 0 to 100? Good question. There are 2 ranges: 0-25, and the high range 0-125 Is the statement of the puzzle an outcome displayed by the machine? It can be, depending on something. It's also advisory.
Do classrooms and sawmills have the same ranges because the paramenters to compute the outcomes were the same for both? no, but classrooms and sawmills have something in common. Explore Is one of the parameters distance? no Is the other one, one of the ones listed by GalFisk? Yes, light.

Btw, do church, classrooms, sawmills, corridors and Kennels refer to the same place irrel, and it could be used anywhere indoors (e.g. a convent?) ? Are them different places located in a relevant area? Near one to the other? Relevant? irrel
Is the machine part of a vehicle? (E.g. of an airplane) no or is it independent? yes Is the object bigger than a phone? similar size to a mobile phone. They vary, but this one is 2" x 3" x 1¼" (inches)
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Postby Earnest » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:18 am

It measures light...lighting? Exposure to the sun relevant? 2 ranges...does the first number belong to the first range and the second to the second range? Do they describe two charactheristcs of light?

Are the places themselves the sources of light?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:29 pm

Does it measure the intensity of the light? How far a source of light can travel? Is photography relevant? Cinematography?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:34 pm

Earnest wrote:It measures light...lighting? yes Exposure to the sun relevant? yes 2 ranges...does the first number belong to the first range and the second to the second range? not necessarily... e.g. corridors would barely register on the high range Do they describe two charactheristcs of light? no

Are the places themselves the sources of light? no, because the places are not stars etc. Did you mean something else?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:55 pm

jumpingjacks wrote:Does it measure the intensity of the light? yes How far a source of light can travel? Depends on how long you're prepared to wait ;-) Is photography relevant? you could certainly use it for photography, although that was not its main use at the time.Cinematography? no

Btw, I should say that my last physics exam was 40 years ago, so I make no guarantees of accuracy here!
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:42 pm

Does it measure sunlight? Does it measure light over a period of time? Light right at the moment? Does it respond by darkening? Lightening? Moving a needle? Making a sound?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:56 pm

Are windows in the various locations (classroom etc) relevant? The kind of artificial lighting used there? Lightbulbs relevant? Candles relevant? Candles in the church perhaps?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:58 pm

GalFisk wrote:Does it measure sunlight? Light of any kind, ambient, whatever. Does it measure light over a period of time? Light right at the moment? this Does it respond by darkening? Lightening? Moving a needle? this Making a sound?
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Postby Earnest » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:50 am

Brightness and lightness relevant? Scattering? Is the visible spectrum relevant? Are the places actually present? Does the object itself propagate some electromagnetic wave? Light? Are colors relevant? Light reflection relevant? absorption relevant? Sunrise relevant? Twilight?
Infrared relevant?

Is what measured by the object important in order to perform another action? E.g. take a picture? Paint? Understand where is East and where is West? Measure how many power it could be contained in each of the places (e.g. there was a project to put there renewable energy sources?)? Are the numbers referred to the light inside the places listed? Outside? Agriculture relevant? Army and military relevant?
Is it in order to understand wheather humans were present inside them? (Sort of body temperature measurament but with light instead)
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Postby biograd » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:11 pm

Is the purpose of measuring light in order to determine adequate lighting in an indoor location? possibly for showing some art form in its "best light" (e.g. in a theater or gallery)? or alternatively, does its purpose have something to do with plants/agriculture?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:16 pm

Earnest wrote:Brightness and lightness relevant? yes Scattering? Is the visible spectrum relevant? Are the places actually present? They could be, when its being used Does the object itself propagate some electromagnetic wave? Light? Are colors relevant? Light reflection relevant? absorption relevant? Sunrise relevant? Twilight?
Infrared relevant? no to the rest

Is what measured by the object important in order to perform another action? yes E.g. take a picture? Could be used for this, but it has another use too Paint? Understand where is East and where is West? Measure how many power it could be contained in each of the places (e.g. there was a project to put there renewable energy sources?)? no to these Are the numbers referred to the light inside the places listed? yes Outside? It would be pointless outside Agriculture relevant? Army and military relevant? no to these
Is it in order to understand wheather humans were present inside them? (Sort of body temperature measurament but with light instead) no
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Postby Earnest » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:06 pm

Movie making relevant? Is the light used directly (e.g. as a source of energy)? Indirectly(e.g. to take a nice shooting)? Is the unit of measurament of the object relevant to determine wheather it is possible to do something? Do certain parameters need to be matched in order to perform it? Video making relevant? Sight relevant? Mirrors relevant?

Is what measured by the object important in order to perform another action? yes --> so do someone usually want darkness to perform that action? A lot of light? A normal light? A light in one of the ranges displayed?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:57 pm

You missed my questions.. sniffle sniffle:

Are windows in the various locations (classroom etc) relevant? The kind of artificial lighting used there? Lightbulbs relevant? Candles relevant? Candles in the church perhaps?
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:58 am

WAG: is there no data on kennels, because a dog damaged the light meter? Ate it? Peed on it?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:41 am

jumpingjacks wrote:Are windows in the various locations (classroom etc) relevant? yes The kind of artificial lighting used there? yes Lightbulbs relevant? yes Candles relevant? YES Candles in the church perhaps? no
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Earnest wrote:Brightness and lightness relevant? Yes Scattering? no Is the visible spectrum relevant? no Are the places actually present? yes Does the object itself propagate some electromagnetic wave? no Light? no Are colors relevant? no Light reflection relevant? not specifically/not to the puzzle absorption relevant? ditto Sunrise relevant? no Twilight? no
Infrared relevant? no

Is what measured by the object important in order to perform another action? yes E.g. take a picture? could be, but not its main use Paint? no Understand where is East and where is West? no, it is not a compass Measure how many power it could be contained in each of the places (e.g. there was a project to put there renewable energy sources?)? no Are the numbers referred to the light inside the places listed? on the item itself, yes Outside? Agriculture relevant? Army and military relevant? no to these
Is it in order to understand wheather humans were present inside them? (Sort of body temperature measurament but with light instead) no
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:51 am

biograd wrote:Is the purpose of measuring light in order to determine adequate lighting in an indoor location? exactly so possibly for showing some art form in its "best light" (e.g. in a theater or gallery)? or alternatively, does its purpose have something to do with plants/agriculture? no to these
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:57 am

Earnest wrote:Movie making relevant? no Is the light used directly (e.g. as a source of energy)? no Indirectly yes (e.g. to take a nice shooting)? but not this Is the unit of measurament of the object relevant to determine wheather it is possible to do something? YES! Do certain parameters need to be matched in order to perform it? yes, light Video making relevant? no Sight relevant? yes Mirrors relevant? no

Is what measured by the object important in order to perform another action?yes  yes --> so do someone usually want darkness to perform that action? yes A lot of light? could be this A normal light? could be this A light in one of the ranges displayed? YES, THIS


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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:00 pm

GalFisk wrote:WAG: is there no data on kennels, because a dog damaged the light meter? Ate it? Peed on it? :lol: It was not one of my dogs! NO to all :lol:
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Postby Earnest » Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:25 pm

So the object is a light meter right? Architecture relevant? Restoration works? Are the measures taken for the first time? Maybe for the second time after having done the restoration? Is a comparison been made? Are those taking the measuraments inside the places with the object?

Theater relevant (e.g. they need to reproduce them in a movie...)? Is the light in these ranges considered to be good for aesthetic reasons? Lights game relevant?

Is this specific (the one in the puzzle) a measurament of natural light? If so, are measurament taken in order to see where some artificial lights need to be put?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:33 pm

Earnest wrote:So the object is a light meter right? Yes Architecture relevant? Restoration works? Are the measures taken for the first time? Maybe for the second time after having done the restoration? none of these Is a comparison been made? could be Are those taking the measuraments inside the places with the object? yes

Theater relevant (e.g. they need to reproduce them in a movie...)? no Is the light in these ranges considered to be good for aesthetic reasons? No, but they are considered to be good for a certain reason Lights game relevant?

Is this specific (the one in the puzzle) a measurament of natural light? yes, and also... If so, are measurament taken in order to see where some artificial lights need to be put? ...this as well, and the combination of both
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Postby Earnest » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:31 am

Did they want all the places to have the same light? Did they want something to shine? Is astronomy relevant?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:49 am

Earnest wrote:Did they want all the places to have the same light? no but v much OTRT Did they want something to shine? Is astronomy relevant? no to these
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Postby Earnest » Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:46 pm

To have different light? To have same lower bound? Same upper bound? Same of something related to light? Are blind or partially sighted people involved?
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Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:21 pm

So just to be clear: in order for a certain action to be carried out in church, the light has to be within the 6-10 range, as measured by the light meter. But in order for the action to be performed in a classroom, the light has to be within the 10-15 range. Is this right?

Is the lack of data in the kennels due to an inability to collect the data there? Or because it is not necessary? Is the architecture of the kennels relevant? Its occupants?
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:00 am

Candle power (Candela) as a unit of measurement relevant? Are actual candles involved? Is electric light relevant? Gas light? Are candles being replaced by more modern light sources? Are calculations being made to determine how many or how strong lights are needed to illuminate an area? Do dogs relevantly eat candles? Knock candles over? Cause fires? Reading relevant?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:40 am

Earnest wrote:To have different light? yes, from each other To have same lower bound? yes, subject to the limits stated, e.g. Church should be no less than 6 and no more than 10, etc Same upper bound? ditto Same of something related to light? yes, and the 'something' is important Are blind or partially sighted people involved? no
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Re: Re: [invisiblemimsy] Shine of the Times

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:43 am

jumpingjacks wrote:So just to be clear: in order for a certain action to be carried out in church, the light has to be within the 6-10 range, as measured by the light meter. But in order for the action to be performed in a classroom, the light has to be within the 10-15 range. Is this right? Yes, exactly

Is the lack of data in the kennels due to an inability to collect the data there? Or because it is not necessary? not defined, and probably not necessaryIs the architecture of the kennels relevant? Its occupants? no to the rest
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Postby Earnest » Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:06 pm

Is heat relevant? I mean...a characteristic of light is that it produces heat.

Flies relevant at all? Animals in general? Visibility?
Design?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:42 pm

Earnest wrote:Is heat relevant? I mean...a characteristic of light is that it produces heat.

Flies relevant at all? Animals in general? Visibility?
Design?

all n/r
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Re: Re: [invisiblemimsy] Shine of the Times

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:46 pm

GalFisk wrote:Candle power (Candela) as a unit of measurement relevant? YES Are actual candles involved? no, although... Is electric light relevant? no Gas light? no Are candles being replaced by more modern light sources? they have been Are calculations being made to determine how many or how strong lights are needed to illuminate an area? YES Do dogs relevantly eat candles? My beagle does given half a chance :P Knock candles over? Cause fires? Reading relevant? all nr
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Shine of the Times

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:07 pm

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This item is a Benjamin light meter made of Bakelite plastic, c.1930. It measures light in Foot Candles. A common candle emits light of one candela (or foot candle). I was told that a reading of, say, 6 foot candles meant that you would need 6 actual candles from one foot away to provide an equivalent amount of light, or perhaps it was 6 candles in an area of one square foot... As you can see, I have no knowledge of physics, so this is likely apocryphal. Perhaps someone will enlighten me? :D The candela is still used today as a unit of measurement.

Anyway, this device was used to measure light in various locations. A table is given on the reverse, showing the amount of light required for the type and/or location of work to be carried out. You need a lot more light to work in a classroom than a corridor, obviously. Kennels are not listed, because dogs don't work, and they can see in the dark anyway :lol:

Well done to Galfisk for the solve and also to everyone who took part :-)



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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Shine of the Times [*ENLIGHTENED*]

Postby biograd » Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:39 am

The intensity of light decreases with the square of the distance from the source, so a surface two feet away from a candle will be illuminated only a quarter as well as a surface one foot from the same candle. That's why the foot (or some other measure of distance) has to be in there, in addition to the number of candles.
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Shine of the Times [*ENLIGHTENED*]

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:22 am

Thank you! That makes sense.
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