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A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:31 pm

A woman hears someone singing and begins to fear for her own life. When she learns that other deaths have occurred, she is no longer afraid.
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby Balin » Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:31 pm

Singing: a relevant song? Singing in general?
Does the woman know the singer? Does the singer know the woman?
Singer: H? A? M/F? (For that matter: woman = H/A/F?)
Is the number of other deaths relevant?
Is the woman rightly fearful for her life?
Is the singer also in danger?
Does the singer survive the puzzle? Does the woman?
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby trebor » Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:47 pm

Tagging along with the previous post, is the singer an animal? A bird? An insect?

Singing as in vocalizing a musical melody? Something more metaphoric? Assuming the former, a pre-existing melody? Relevant the style/composer/singer of the piece? Is the someone she hears a professional singer? Someone with whom the piece is most closely associated? Is she afraid that the singer will kill her? That someone else will? That she will die as result of an accident? Disease? War? Is she in hiding? Time period/country relevant?
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:02 pm

Singing: a relevant song? The song's title isn't extremely relevant but may be helpful to learn. But something about the song is relevant. Singing in general? No
Does the woman know the singer? Does the singer know the woman? No to both
Singer: H? A? M/F? (For that matter: woman = H/A/F?) Human and female, but not adult
Is the number of other deaths relevant? No, just relevant to know that it is several
Is the woman rightly fearful for her life? No
Is the singer also in danger? No
Does the singer survive the puzzle? Assume so, yes (but in a way this is misleading) Does the woman? Yes

Tagging along with the previous post, is the singer an animal? A bird? An insect? See above

Singing as in vocalizing a musical melody? Yes Something more metaphoric? No
Assuming the former, a pre-existing melody? Yes
Relevant the style Yes / composer No /singer of the piece? Something relevant about the singer, yes
Is the someone she hears a professional singer? Possibly and likely, but irrelevant
Someone with whom the piece is most closely associated? No-ish (explore)
Is she afraid that the singer will kill her? YES
That someone else will? Also very possible
That she will die as result of an accident? Also very possible
Disease? War? Is she in hiding? No to these
Time period/country relevant? Time period relevant. This story is about an actual event that happened in the US, but could happen in one or more other countries as well.
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby trebor » Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:39 am

Is the singer her daughter? Niece? Granddaughter? Was the singer intending to cause harm to her? Was the woman afraid she (herself) would be murdered by the singer? Is exact age of the singer relevant, beyond that she has not reached adulthood? If so, list of ages, please.

Were the other deaths caused by the singer? If so, on purpose? Were there 2-10 of them? 10-100? More? Is belief in ghosts relevant? Or other supernatural entities?

Does this occur in the 18th century? 19th? 20th? 21st?

Does the woman have any relevant medical (mental?) illnesses? Does the singer?
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby Earnest » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:20 am

Sorry if repeating some of trebor questions...


Relevant how the woman learned about the deaths? Did she learn seconds after having heared the melody? Had the woman heared the song before? If so, sung by the same singer? Was she afraid for her lofe when hearing the song previously? Is the song in an understandable language for her (e.g. WAG --> II world war, the woman heared the child singing in German an SS song that the kid heared. The woman understood that SS were coming in her village but the day after knew about deaths in other villages far from hers and so was no more afraid)? Is the song happy? Sad? Dramatic? Nostalgic? A kids song? Religious?
Is apartheid/racism relevant? Was the woman in a pub? Karaoke relevant? Did other sing before the HCF?

Did the woman associate a song to an event and thought that the event was caused by the song? If so by that specific song? Could it have been also other songs? Did the song remember her sonething relevant? Did she know who was the singer? Would the puzzle work had the song been reproduced on a stereo/other devices?

other deaths have occurred = did the melody preceed those deaths? Did she think so? Did the deaths occurred before she heared the melody?
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby wolfier » Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:41 am

Does she hear the singing regularly? Or only once? Is she no longer afraid of one instance when she heard the singing, or is she no longer afraid even if she hears further singings? is the language of the lyrics relevant? spy agencies relevant?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:30 pm

Is the singer her daughter? Niece? Granddaughter? No to these
Was the singer intending to cause harm to her? No - good q
Was the woman afraid she (herself) would be murdered by the singer? Yes, and possibly someone or something else (see above)
Is exact age of the singer relevant, beyond that she has not reached adulthood? If so, list of ages, please.
Exact age isn't that relevant, a good assumption is that she's no older than 6

Were the other deaths caused by the singer? No If so, on purpose? The deaths were intentional (on purpose), but not caused by the singer Were there 2-10 of them? 10-100? Somewhere in this range is most likelyMore?
Is belief in ghosts relevant? Or other supernatural entities? Yes to both

Does this occur in the 18th century? 19th? 20th? 21st? This kind of thing would only be able to occur in 21st century (may want to explore this even more specifically)

Does the woman have any relevant medical (mental?) illnesses? Does the singer? No to both

Relevant how the woman learned about the deaths? Yes
Did she learn seconds after having heard the melody? No
Had the woman heard the song before? Yes If so, sung by the same singer? No
Was she afraid for her life when hearing the song previously? Probably not, but it's possible
Is the song in an understandable language for her Yes
(e.g. WAG --> II world war, the woman heard the child singing in German an SS song that the kid heard. The woman understood that SS were coming in her village but the day after knew about deaths in other villages far from hers and so was no more afraid)? Not this kind of thing
Is the song happy? No Sad? Yes Dramatic? Yes Nostalgic? Yes A kids song? Yes Religious? No
Is apartheid/racism relevant? No
Was the woman in a pub? Karaoke relevant? No to both
Did other sing before the HCF? No

Did the woman associate a song to an event and thought that the event was caused by the song? No
If so by that specific song? No
Could it have been also other songs? Yes - good q
Did the song remember her something relevant? Very likely, yes
Did she know who was the singer? No
Would the puzzle work had the song been reproduced on a stereo/other devices? This is, in fact, the source of the song in this puzzle (you have cleared up a very likely FA)

Other deaths have occurred = did the melody preceed those deaths? Unknown
Did she think so? Not these specific deaths, no
Did the deaths occurred before she heared the melody? Most likely

Does she hear the singing regularly? Or only once? She hears it more than once
Is she no longer afraid of one instance when she heard the singing, or is she no longer afraid even if she hears further singings? There is a relevant moment when she becomes no longer afraid of the singing
is the language of the lyrics relevant? Not really. Assume that the woman speaks English and the song is sung in English. But for the events of the puzzle to work, the song could be sung in any language.
spy agencies relevant? No
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby Earnest » Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:53 pm

Relevant who turned the stereo on? The woman herself? Did she learned about the deaths in the news? Relevant how the deaths occurred?were victims murdered? Poisoned? Killed with weapons? Was she informed by someone of the deaths? Are the ghosts of the dead people relevant? So the song is not relevant right? P.s. Is the song "the hanging tree" (curiosity)?
Did the song come from her own stereo? From the stereo of a neighbour? Of a car parked outside? Did she hear the entire song? Just a little piece of it?

Was the woman singing along? Relevant? Was the woman having a shower?
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:30 pm

Relevant who turned the stereo on? Yes, but a stereo is not involved here - explore
The woman herself? No
Did she learned about the deaths in the news? No
Relevant how the deaths occurred? Yes were victims murdered? Yes Poisoned? Yes
Killed with weapons? No Was she informed by someone of the deaths? No
Are the ghosts of the dead people relevant? No So the song is not relevant right? P.s. Is the song "the hanging tree" (curiosity)? The exact song title isn't relevant, but it's relevant to know that the song is sung by a child
Did the song come from her own No stereo? Stereo is FA
From the stereo of a neighbour? The song did come from something that belonged to a neighbor
Of a car parked outside? No
Did she hear the entire song? Just a little piece of it? She heard the entire song

Was the woman singing along? No Relevant? Not really
Was the woman having a shower? No
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby gregoryuconn » Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:03 am

Is the song about deaths? And so the deaths didn't really happen IRL, they were just part of the song? But she thought it was a real child singing about real deaths until she realized it wasn't? Was the song coming from an iPhone? Did she somehow do a voice activated Siri to make it play something?
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby Earnest » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:14 am

The point is that it could be another song...anyway....Did the voice resembled the voice of someone relevant? The child of the neighbours? Her child? A poisoned child? Was the song about real murders? If so, were the deaths/the death told just in the song or did they happen in real life? In her neighborhood? Was the song genre relevant? Metal? Rock? Punk? Classic? Pop? Anthem?
Did the woman hear the song in the night? In the afternoon? Relevant?
Was the neighbour sing along the song? Did she fear that someone was goibg to kill her? The neighbour?

Not a stereo...a Pc? A console? A device? Karaoke/wii? Dj set? remixed song? A phone?

Was the song preceeded/followed by someone speaking? E.g. speaking as in news?

Deaths = people poisoned right? By a gas? By a medicine/drug? By a liquid? Poisoned while hearing the song? After having heared it? Did the woman feared her own life from the beginning to the endo of the song? Just at the beginning? Did she end to fear while hearing the song? Hours later? Days later?
Did other deaths happened in a recent past? More than 50 years before? More than 100 years before?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:58 pm

Is the song about deaths? No
And so the deaths didn't really happen IRL, they were just part of the song? The deaths happened IRL
But she thought it was a real child Either this or something else... singing about real deaths until she realized it wasn't? Yes
Was the song coming from an iPhone? No
Did she somehow do a voice activated Siri to make it play something? She didn't, but you are OTRT

The point is that it could be another song...anyway....Did the voice resembled the voice of someone relevant? No The child of the neighbours? Her child? No to these
A poisoned child? Not relevant
Was the song about real murders? No
If so, were the deaths/the death told just in the song or did they happen in real life? There were actual deaths, but the song had nothing to do with death In her neighborhood? Yes
Was the song genre relevant? Yes Metal? Rock? Punk? Classic? Pop? Anthem? "Classic" might be closest but still may mislead
Did the woman hear the song in the night? Yes In the afternoon? Relevant? Very relevant
Was the neighbour sing along the song? No
Did she fear that someone was going to kill her? Yes, this was one fear that she had The neighbour? Not likely, no

Not a stereo...a Pc? A console? A device? <-- This Karaoke/wii? Dj set? remixed song? A phone? None of these

Was the song preceeded/followed by someone speaking? E.g. speaking as in news? No

Deaths = people poisoned right? No By a gas? By a medicine/drug? By a liquid? <--This is closest
Poisoned while hearing the song? After having heared it? Both are possible
Did the woman feared her own life from the beginning to the end of of the song? Just at the beginning? During the entire song Did she end to fear while hearing the song? Hours later? Days later? Days later
Did other deaths happened in a recent past? More than 50 years before? More than 100 years before? The relevant deaths happened within hours or days of the woman hearing the song
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Postby Earnest » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:03 pm

Is a console involved? Like the neighboor was playing a death related videogame?

Device = iPad? A device having internet? Reading CDs?

Was the woman sleeping before hearing the music of the neighbour? Was the neghbour?
Did he/she hear the music as well? Was he/she inside his/her house when the music started? Shadows relevant? Did she knew who she thougt was going to kill her?
Is the melody of the song relevant? The notes? The sound? Did she recognize it as a song? Did she heard just noises? Are instruments that played the relevantusic relevant? Drums? Trumpets? Guitars? Piano? Others?

Did the victims drink the liquid? Was the liquid acid? Were the victims found death? While hearing a relevant song?
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Postby trebor » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:51 pm

Were the deaths deaths of humans? Non-human animals? If so, were they domesticated? Pets? Relevant what animal they were?

Does it matter specifically what type of device the music cam through? MP3 player? iPod/iPad of some description? Did a device in her home (such as a baby monitor) pick up on its frequency, so that it sounded like it was coming from her house? Did she believe it was a ghost singing? Did some device pick up the neighbour child singing live? Is “How Much is that Doggy in the Window” relevant?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:29 pm

Is a console involved? Like the neighboor was playing a death related videogame? No to all

Device = iPad? A device having internet? Reading CDs? No to all

Was the woman sleeping before hearing the music of the neighbour? Possibly Was the neghbour? Not relevant
Did he/she hear the music as well? The neighbor? Likely, but not relevant Was he/she inside his/her house when the music started? Yes Shadows relevant? Possibly Did she knew who she thougt was going to kill her? No
Is the melody of the song relevant? The notes? The sound? The two things relevant about the song are the style and the fact that it was a young female voice singing
Did she recognize it as a song? Oh yes, it was a song that she knew
Did she heard just noises? Maybe, but the relevant thing she heard was the song
Are instruments that played the relevant music relevant? Drums? Trumpets? Guitars? Piano? Others? There were no instruments heard, just singing

Did the victims drink the liquid? No Was the liquid acid? No Were the victims found death? Yes, the victims were found already dead While hearing a relevant song? This is possible and very likely

Were the deaths deaths of humans? No - good q Non-human Yes, but... animals? ...you would probably not refer to them by this.
If so, were they domesticated? Pets? No to both Relevant what animal they were? Not specifically but something about them is relevant

Does it matter specifically what type of device the music cam through? Yes MP3 player? iPod/iPad of some description? Not this kind of device
Did a device in her home (such as a baby monitor) pick up on its frequency, so that it sounded like it was coming from her house? No
Did she believe it was a ghost singing? YES, she strongly suspected this!
Did some device pick up the neighbour child singing live? No, the child singing did not live with the neighbor (and this is relevant)
Is “How Much is that Doggy in the Window” relevant? No
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Postby wolfier » Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:18 am

So she feared a ghost might kill her because she knows there's no child around but the singing voice appears to be from a child? If so, is there more to it?
Are the deaths those of supernatural beings, e.g. zombies or vampires?
If not, are they ordinary living things? Insects? Birds? Fish? smaller?
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Postby Earnest » Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:55 am

To be sure...the woman was in her own house right? And was alone?

Non-human = not yet humans (e.g. babies inside the belly of the mum...I mean, babies not yet born? Like an abortion/miscarriage?) ? Or non-humans in nature?
Did she think that deaths involved humans?

Does the device mix/distorce/modify voices (e.g. mixer)? Is the device an LP player? A music box? A jukebox? Walkman?

Is the song a ringer? An alarm? Just a song?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:02 pm

So she feared a ghost might kill her because she knows there's no child around but the singing voice appears to be from a child? If so, is there more to it? Yes, see below
Are the deaths those of supernatural beings, e.g. zombies or vampires? No
If not, are they ordinary living things? Insects? <-- This, yes Birds? Fish? smaller?

To be sure...the woman was in her own house right? Yes And was alone? Not relevant

Non-human = not yet humans (e.g. babies inside the belly of the mum...I mean, babies not yet born? Like an abortion/miscarriage?) ? Or non-humans in nature? The deaths were all insects
Did she think that deaths involved humans? Yes

Does the device mix/distorce/modify voices (e.g. mixer)? No Is the device an LP player? A music box? A jukebox? Walkman? No

Is the song a ringer? Can you rephrase? An alarm? It is a type of alarm, yes Just a song? The only sound made is that of a child singing
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Postby Earnest » Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:44 pm

Were the insects squashed on the wall of the neighbour so that she also heard sharp and unexpected sounds? (Which were instead the neighbour trying to kill or actually killing the insects?)
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Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:44 pm

Were the insects squashed on the wall of the neighbour No, but explore
so that she also heard sharp and unexpected sounds? (Which were instead the neighbour trying to kill or actually killing the insects?) No, she heard no sound except the singing from the neighbor's house
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Postby trebor » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:32 pm

Were the insects squashed on the walls of her house? Malaria relevant?

Was the singing a ringtone? Some other phone-related notification? Has she ever met the singer? Does it matter specifically who the singer was? If yes, Shirley Temple? Another famous child?

Does learning if the insects’ deaths confirm that it wasn’t a ghost singing? Does she relevantly converse with anyone on the phone?
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Postby Earnest » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:44 am

Is any smell relevant? Like the spray to kill insects? Was there something blood related? Resembling blood?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:17 pm

Were the insects squashed No... on the walls of her house? No, there were no insects found on walls
Malaria relevant? No

Was the singing a ringtone? No but OTRT Some other phone-related notification? No
Has she ever met the singer? No Does it matter specifically who the singer was? No, not at all
If yes, Shirley Temple? Another famous child? Identity of the singer is not relevant. What matters is that it was a little girl's voice singing.

Does learning of the insects’ deaths confirm that it wasn’t a ghost singing? Yes, this and learning something else also Does she relevantly converse with anyone Yes, but... on the phone? ...not this way.

Is any smell relevant? No Like the spray to kill insects? No, this wasn't used
Was there something blood related? Resembling blood? No
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Postby Earnest » Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:28 pm

Was the conversation through the wall (e.g. by hitting the wall)? With words? With a oc (e.g. skype call)? If so are the images she was looking relevant? On a blacony? Was she on her bed? Was the conversation with a little girl? With the neighbour? Are horror stories relevant? Are the insects ants? Flies? Others? Relevant?

Are insects poisoned by the neighbour? By the girl herself? Mosquito coils relevant? Blasters for flights (don't know the name)? Did the neighbour scream something like "Die!" each time an insect was killed? Blood traces relevant?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:30 pm

Was the conversation through the wall (e.g. by hitting the wall)? No
With words? Yes (this is assumed BTW) With a oc (e.g. skype call)? No
If so are the images she was looking relevant? Reprhase On a blacony? What do you mean?
Was she on her bed? Yes, some of the time Was the conversation with a little girl? With the neighbour? It was with someone who lived at a neighbor's house
Are horror stories relevant? Yes Are the insects ants? Flies? Others? Relevant? Not likely ants, more likely to be small flying insects

Are insects poisoned by the neighbour? No By the girl herself? No
Mosquito coils relevant? No Blasters for flights (don't know the name)? No
Did the neighbour scream something like "Die!" each time an insect was killed? No Blood traces relevant? No
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Postby trebor » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:56 pm

Exact species of insect relevant? If so, ants? Cockroaches? Do they fly? Are they flies? Mosquitoes? Wasps? Bees? Were they intentionally killed by a human? An exterminator? (I don’t know if hey use methods other than spraying...) Were they killed outside the house? Inside the woman’s house? Does she live in a house? An apartment? Has the device that plays the music been lost in a crawl space, or something similar? Has it been lost or left where the dead insects are?
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Postby wolfier » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:07 pm

are the insects gnats? mosquitoes? did they die naturally? killed by humans? did they starve to death? were the buzzes of their wings in flight relevantly heard? are the death of the insects caused by the playback device? electricity relevant? a blackout?
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Postby Earnest » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:59 am

Were flies in the apartment of the woman and were poisoned by a venom coming from the house of the neighbour?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:56 pm

Exact species of insect relevant? No, just some relevant characteristics If so, ants? Most likely not
Cockroaches? Possible (see next) Do they fly? Yes, most of them if not all of them Are they flies? Mosquitoes? Wasps? Bees? Possibly any of these
Were they intentionally killed Yes, but not...by a human?
An exterminator? Not a human one, no, but explore this (I don’t know if hey use methods other than spraying...) Were they killed outside the house? Yes Inside the woman’s house? No
Does she live in a house? Yes An apartment? No Has the device that plays the music been lost in a crawl space, or something similar? No Has it been lost No... or left ...no, it's there on purpose... where the dead insects are? ...yes, the relevant device is located near where the dead insects are, and this is very relevant.

are the insects gnats? mosquitoes? Possibly, but other flying insects are more likely did they die naturally? No killed by humans? No did they starve to death? No
were the buzzes of their wings in flight relevantly heard? No
are the death of the insects caused by the playback device? No - good q electricity relevant? a blackout? No to both

Were flies in No, never in it... the apartment ...it was a house... of the woman ...of the scared woman? no, no insects were at her house... and were poisoned by a venom ...YES... coming from the house of the neighbour? ...but this isn't the source of the poison.
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Postby Earnest » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:29 pm

Source of the poison: outside of the woman's house? In the street? Drainage? Sky? Is the poison something that is not poisonous by its nature but becomes such with the passing of time? Relevant that flies are attracted by light? By blood? By excrement?

Relevant what was the source of the venom? Was the woman aware of it? Able to identify it? Is the venom of another animal relevant? Of a snake? Of a scorpion?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:22 pm

Source of the poison: outside of the woman's house? Yes, but more specifically...(see below) In the street? Drainage? Sky? No to these
Is the poison something that is not poisonous by its nature but becomes such with the passing of time? No (but see below)
Relevant that flies are attracted by light? Somewhat, yes By blood? By excrement? No to these

Relevant what was the source of the venom? Yes, very relevant Was the woman aware of it? Yes Able to identify it? Yes
Is the venom of another animal relevant? YES Of a snake? Of a scorpion? No but keep exploring this!
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby Balin » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:55 pm

Is the venomous animal a spider?
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:57 pm

Is the venomous animal a spider? Yes!
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Postby wolfier » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:05 pm

did she see spiderwebs with insects on it? does she derive the knowledge that supernatural beings are not involved, or the knowledge that the supernatural beings are driven away somehow?
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Postby Earnest » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:02 pm

were flies prevented from entering the womans'house by the spiderwebs which were transparent so that she could not see them at a first glance thinking that a ghost was present?

Something like: the window was opened. She saw the insects suddenly stopping without any apparent explanation. When the insects began to accumulate the spider exited and she understood that a web was present?

BEFORE KNOWING OF OTHER DEATHS: did she hear the sounds of the insects approaching? Did she think it was the voice/scream of a child? Was she able to see the insects? Did she exchange insects for human beings, because something let her think so? Something = a sound? a shadow?
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:45 pm

Did she see spiderwebs with insects on it? Yes
does she derive the knowledge that supernatural beings are not involved, Yes or the knowledge that the supernatural beings are driven away somehow? Not this

Were flies prevented from entering the woman's house by the spiderwebs which were transparent so that she could not see them at a first glance thinking that a ghost was present? No but OTRT

Something like: the window was opened. She saw the insects suddenly stopping without any apparent explanation. When the insects began to accumulate the spider exited and she understood that a web was present? Not this. But it is relevant to know more about how she discovered the web.

BEFORE KNOWING OF OTHER DEATHS: did she hear the sounds of the insects approaching? No Did she think it was the voice/scream of a child? No Was she able to see the insects? When?
Did she exchange insects for human beings, because something let her think so? Something = a sound? a shadow? No - she did not know for sure that any other person died or was in danger of dying.
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby wwhere » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:27 pm

So, the woman is in her house, at night. Then a spooky girl singing can be heard, I'm guessing similar to the "A Nightmare at Elm Street" child's song. The woman gets very scared, as she thinks a supernatural creature is around.
During the next days, flying insects fall in a spider web and die there.
Later, the woman discovers the spider web with the dead insects, and also talks with someone, and her fears go away.
So...
Is the spider web in a door? (proving that no one has opened it?) in a window? In a garden?
The person that the woman talks to, is a H/A/M? is this person related in some way to the insects? to the spider? to the woman? to her neighbour? to the music playing?
The music is playing from a turntable? Is it scratched and in a loop?
is it playing from a radio? from a computer? from a tv?
Does the woman do something relevant between listening to the song initially, and talking with someone at the end? Does she leave her house? Does she continue a normal life? Does she call tell someone?
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:01 pm

So, the woman is in her house, at night. Then a spooky girl singing can be heard, I'm guessing similar to the "A Nightmare at Elm Street" child's song. The woman gets very scared, as she thinks a supernatural creature is around.
During the next days, flying insects fall in a spider web and die there. Yes, nice recap!
Later, the woman discovers the spider web with the dead insects, and also talks with someone, and her fears go away.
So...
Is the spider web in a door? (proving that no one has opened it?) No, but very close and very relevant...
in a window? In a garden? No to these
The person that the woman talks to, is a H/A/M? Yes, could be male or female
Is this person related in some way to the insects? to the spider? Related how?
to the woman? to her neighbour? to the music playing? Yes, there is a direct connection/relation between the neighbor and the music
The music is playing from a turntable? No Is it scratched and in a loop? N/A
is it playing from a radio? from a computer? from a tv? None of these, but keep exploring this...
Does the woman do something relevant between listening to the song initially, and talking with someone at the end? Yes, and there is a relevant FA lurking about this...
Does she leave her house? Yes Does she continue a normal life? Yes, at some point (but here is where part of the FA is) Does she call tell someone? Yes, she tells at least one person about what is/was going on (which is how I heard about this)
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby trebor » Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:59 pm

I believe we’ve ruled this out, but is the singing coming from a music box? Probably not, as it’s, I think, coming from a fairly modern device and is an alarm... is it hooked up to a burglar alarm? To CCTV? To an alarm clock? Fitbit? (Can those things play music?) To a kitchen timer? Is it coming from Alexa? A similar device?
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby wwhere » Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:17 am

Is the music coming from a mobile phone? Is it actually a ring tone?

When the woman gets scared, does she leave the house immediately that same night? The next day?
After leaving the house, does she come back the same day? after some days? some weeks?
Does she tell about this soon after leaving the house? same day? some days after leaving?
The person she tells about this is a cop? her neighbour? a doctor? a priest? a friend? a family member?

Is the spider web inside the woman's house? on the outside of the woman's house? near the woman's house? in the neighbour's house? Is it in a mailbox? in a tree?

Is it relevant where does this happen? city? country?

Is it relevant why she thinks there is a monster/ghost? Or is it just because of the song?
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:19 pm

I believe we’ve ruled this out, but is the singing coming from a music box? No
Probably not, as it’s, I think, coming from a fairly modern device Yes, very modern... and is an alarm... ...it would not be called this but functions in somewhat the same way is it hooked up to a burglar alarm? Possibly, these devices are compatible with alarms To CCTV? Not exactly but very much OTRT To an alarm clock? Fitbit? (Can those things play music?) To a kitchen timer? Is it coming from Alexa? None of these A similar device? Similar in one very relevant way

Is the music coming from a mobile phone? Is it actually a ring tone? No to both (but the idea of a "ring tone" is OTRT)

When the woman gets scared, does she leave the house No... immediately that same night? The next day? The woman doesn't leave the house due to being scared.
After leaving the house, does she come back the same day? after some days? some weeks? Possible FA about the woman leaving the house...
Does she tell about this soon after leaving the house? same day? some days after leaving? Unknown
The person she tells about this is a cop? her neighbour? a doctor? a priest? a friend? a family member? Not very relevant, but she told someone who felt it was funny enough to share because I heard about it on the news

Is the spider web inside the woman's house? No - good q on the outside of the woman's house? No near the woman's house? Yes, DYOD of "near" or explore more in the neighbour's house? Not "in" it, but... Is it in a mailbox? in a tree? No to both

Is it relevant where does this happen? city? country? Somewhat relevant. Based on the description of the events it would have to be in a city or probably a neighborhood.

Is it relevant why she thinks there is a monster/ghost? Or is it just because of the song? She hears the singing and believes that it means there is some kind of ghost, monster, spirit, being, etc. very near her
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby trebor » Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:35 pm

Halloween relevant? Does the singing come from a device intended to scare people? Something g with a motion sensor?
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:48 pm

Halloween relevant? No
Does the singing come from a device intended to scare people? This is one function of it, yes...
Something with a motion sensor? YES
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby trebor » Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:35 am

I’m not sure I’ve heard of this thing. Is it mostly marketed as a burglar deterrent?
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby Earnest » Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:39 am

railings relevant? Does the device with sensors belong to the house of the neighbor? Does the neighbor breed spiders? Is the spider web on the sensor? Is one of the spider's victims?

She thought that the victims were humans right? Is this just in her mind or is there something relevantly inducing her to think so? Like the alarm started after a relevant movement and due to the alarm she thought that someone has been killed.
Did she recognize the song as such? Did she think a little girl was actually singing? Were there sounds in the song or in the neighbor's house letting her think that omicide were committed?

Did the neighbor relevantly try to throw the spider web away? Made relevant efforts in order to do so? Are 3D images relevant? (e.g. the image of a little girl)
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:11 pm

I’m not sure I’ve heard of this thing. Keep reading... Is it mostly marketed as a burglar deterrent? ...YES

Railings relevant? No
Does the device with sensors belong to the house of the neighbor? Yes
Does the neighbor breed spiders? No Is the spider web on the sensor? YES Is one of the spider's victims? Very likely, yes

She thought that the victims were humans right? She suspected that human victims may be involved, yes
Is this just in her mind or is there something relevantly inducing her to think so? It's only in her mind but she thinks she has good reason to suspect it
Like the alarm started after a relevant movement Yes... and due to the alarm she thought that someone has been killed. ...yes, or that someone would soon be killed.
Did she recognize the song as such? She had heard the song before, yes
Did she think a little girl was actually singing? YES Were there sounds in the song or in the neighbor's house letting her think that homicide were committed? Nothing besides the sound of a little girl singing. When the woman heard this she made the assumption that someone was in danger of being killed.

Did the neighbor relevantly try to throw the spider web away? Yes, at some point Made relevant efforts in order to do so? Yes, at some point Are 3D images relevant? (e.g. the image of a little girl) No

We are nearly at the solution...
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby Balin » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:35 am

Did she see the dead flies on the spider web? (When going to throw it away?) And realized it was the spider/the flies/the web that set off the sensor? (Did the spider/flies/web actually set off the sensor?)
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Re: A Clockwork Grapefruit [CoffeeBean]

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:04 pm

Did she see the dead flies on the spider web? At some point, yet (When going to throw it away?) Yes
And realized it was the spider/the flies/the web that set off the sensor? (Did the spider/flies/web actually set off the sensor?) YES

*******SPOILER*******

One night, a woman heard a child singing "It's Raining, It's Pouring" but did not know where the voice was coming from. She knew that it would be very unusual for a child to be outside singing in the middle of the night. Based on what she had seen in horror movies, she became scared thinking that this was a ghost or some kind of spirit. This went on for a couple of nights. The woman went to ask her neighbor about it and learned that the neighbor had installed a motion-sensing doorbell to deter trespassers or would-be burglars. At night, the sensor was set to play a recording of a little girl singing when motion was detected. A spider had made a web on the sensor, and would crawl in front of it to capture prey, setting off the alert.

This story was recently told on a national talk radio show
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