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[WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby WiZ » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:00 am

Why did Sarah trade all her rare and valuable trading cards for worthless ones?

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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby TDGperson » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:09 am

Did Sarah know that they are worthless? Does Sarah expect to lose her cards? Does she expect to make more money later on by doing this?

Is the title relevant? Did Sarah harass someone else? Did other people harass Sarah?

Did Sarah donate the cards? Did she do something selfless with them? Is Sarah doing this for a selfless reason?

Is it relevant how the cards became valuable and other cards became worthless? Did something happen to the cards that made them worthless?

Does she expect to play the game with the worthless cards? Did she play the game with valuable cards?

Was it to make a point? some kind of protest? Is Sarah bringing attention to a social issue? Do other people playing the game know that Sarah has done this? Is the decision controversial in the game's community?
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby WiZ » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:19 am

Hello, there! I don't believe we've met. Welcome to the forum. I hope you have fun, and stay a while!

Did Sarah know that they are worthless? yes Does Sarah expect to lose her cards? please rephrase Does she expect to make more money later on by doing this? yesish

Is the title relevant? Not really - just a gratuitous palindrome. I do this sort of thing a lot. Did Sarah harass someone else? no Did other people harass Sarah? no

Did Sarah donate the cards? no Did she do something selfless with them? no Is Sarah doing this for a selfless reason? not at all

Is it relevant how the cards became valuable and other cards became worthless? no Did something happen to the cards that made them worthless? no

Does she expect to play the game with the worthless cards? Did she play the game with valuable cards? no to both - and good questions

Was it to make a point? no some kind of protest? no Is Sarah bringing attention to a social issue? no Do other people playing the game know that Sarah has done this? no... at least, not initially Is the decision controversial in the game's community? quite possibly, on a small scale, but this is immaterial
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby Enjay » Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:26 am

Are the cards the type that people can play games with? More just collectibles? If they are linked to a game, does Sarah ever play the game?
Relevant how Sarah got the cards in the first place? Did she collect them? As a hobby? For financial gain?
Do the cards Sarah trades away represent her entire collection at that point? Or did she also have some less valuable cards that she kept?

Is the person or persons she trades with relevant?

By doing this does Sarah hope to make a financial gain? Material non-financial gain? Help someone else? Advance her own position somehow? Is she addicted to the cards and wants to break free? Does she want to create more of a challenge by getting rid of her valuable cards?

Is Sarah's primary goal in doing this to get rid of her valuable cards? To obtain the less valuable cards? Does she plan to get the valuable cards back at any point?

Are the cards valuable in terms of money or just within the game? If money, is she trying to hide how wealthy she is?
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby Earnest » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:39 pm

Sorry for repeating...I'm short of time...

So to be sure...does she collect trading cards? If so, were the rare cards relevantly duplicates? Does Sarah want to carry on collecting those cards? Does she want to use the cards as trading cards (e.g. put them in a binder or to play with them)?

do the rare cards and the worthless ones belong to the same game (e.g. magic...)? Relevant which one? Did they belong to the same edition of the game? To the same collection?
Is the exchange fair? If so, does the fairness of the exchange come from another chriterion than the rarity of the cards? E.g. the number of cards involved? (For instance she traded 2 rare cards for 100 worthless ones), or the incumbent use of cards for instance to cover something...

Did she receive more than worthless cards in exchange of the rare ones? Is something illegal going on? If so agains Sarah? In favor of her?
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby WiZ » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:52 pm

Enjay

Are the cards the type that people can play games with? yes More just collectibles? no If they are linked to a game, does Sarah ever play the game? no
Relevant how Sarah got the cards in the first place? no Did she collect them? As a hobby? assume yes to both For financial gain? no
Do the cards Sarah trades away represent her entire collection at that point? no Or did she also have some less valuable cards that she kept? yes

Is the person or persons she trades with relevant? yesish

By doing this does Sarah hope to make a financial gain? yesish Material non-financial gain? yes; more this Help someone else? no Advance her own position somehow? No, to frame this in terms of power/status Is she addicted to the cards and wants to break free? no Does she want to create more of a challenge by getting rid of her valuable cards? no

Is Sarah's primary goal in doing this to get rid of her valuable cards? no To obtain the less valuable cards? yes Does she plan to get the valuable cards back at any point? no (although it could work to her advantage if she managed it)

Are the cards valuable in terms of money no or just within the game? yes If money, is she trying to hide how wealthy she is? no

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Sorry for repeating...I'm short of time...

So to be sure...does she collect trading cards? she both did and didn't at relevant stages of this story If so, were the rare cards relevantly duplicates? no (although it's possible that they were) Does Sarah want to carry on collecting those cards? yope! Does she want to use the cards as trading cards (e.g. put them in a binder or to play with them)? no!

do the rare cards and the worthless ones belong to the same game (e.g. magic...)? yes Relevant which one? no (Yu-Gi-Oh, in case you would lose sleep over it) Did they belong to the same edition of the game? To the same collection? yes to both
Is the exchange fair? debatable If so, does the fairness of the exchange come from another chriterion than the rarity of the cards? yes E.g. the number of cards involved? (For instance she traded 2 rare cards for 100 worthless ones) and yes!, or the incumbent use of cards for instance to cover something... no, I think

Did she receive more than worthless cards in exchange of the rare ones? no, in the moment Is something illegal going on? yes If so agains Sarah? no In favor of her? yes

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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby Enjay » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:14 pm

Is Sarah committing a crime? Is the crime fraud? Theft?

Is Sarah's primary goal to obtain a lot of cards, regardless of their value? To obtain a lot of low value cards, specifically?

Does she deceive the person she trades with at all? Does she trade all the cards with one person? Multiple people? With a shop or organisation?

Is it relevant how long a period of time she makes the trades over?

Does she collect trading cards at the point before she makes any trades? At the point when she starts trading away her valuable cards? During the trades? When she has ended up with lots of low value cards? St some point later?
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby WiZ » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:34 pm

Is Sarah committing a crime? yes Is the crime fraud? yes Theft? yesish

Is Sarah's primary goal to obtain a lot of cards, regardless of their value? yes, at first To obtain a lot of low value cards, specifically? no

Does she deceive the person she trades with at all? no Does she trade all the cards with one person? Multiple people? assume this; no to rest With a shop or organisation?

Is it relevant how long a period of time she makes the trades over? no

Does she collect trading cards at the point before she makes any trades? yes At the point when she starts trading away her valuable cards? no During the trades? no (unless you take 'collect' to mean 'amass') When she has ended up with lots of low value cards? St some point later? no to these
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby Earnest » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:17 pm

are the rare cards original? do the worthless cards acquire value once in Sarah's hands? Printing cards relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby jumpingjacks » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:41 pm

Forgive my Yu-gi-oh ignorance, the only trading card game I play is Hearthstone, so my questions are based around my knowledge of that.

Did Sarah trade actual physical cards? Or did she trade virtual copies? Is this trading in itself against the rules of the game?
So after amassing a large number of cards, is she planning to sell them? For actual fiat currency? For virtual currency? Like in-game gold?

Has Yu-gi-oh recently (or is about to?) make some card changes that would mean that cards could temporarily be sold or traded for more than they were initially worth?

Is Sarah hoping to trick people who are unfamiliar with the game, into thinking that the cards are worth more than they are?
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby WiZ » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:22 pm

Earnest

are the rare cards original? yes do the worthless cards acquire value once in Sarah's hands? no Printing cards relevant? no

JumpingJacks

Forgive my Yu-gi-oh ignorance, the only trading card game I play is Hearthstone, so my questions are based around my knowledge of that.

No knowledge of the game mechanics or universe is necessary to solve the puzzle - I certainly don't have any - I suspect this would work with dozens if not hundreds of trading card games


Did Sarah trade actual physical cards? yes Or did she trade virtual copies? no Is this trading in itself against the rules of the game? no
So after amassing a large number of cards, is she planning to sell them? no For actual fiat currency? For virtual currency? Like in-game gold? n/a to all

Has Yu-gi-oh recently (or is about to?) make some card changes that would mean that cards could temporarily be sold or traded for more than they were initially worth? no

Is Sarah hoping to trick people who are unfamiliar with the game, into thinking that the cards are worth more than they are? no
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Postby Earnest » Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:25 am

So are the dimensions of the trading cards relevant at all? Their shapes? Their color? Is Sarah interested in the rare cards she gave to the counterpart? Is there a third counterpart which has been frauded? (E.g. 3 people, A S (Sarah) C: A, which is not an expert of the game, but owns very rare cards, tells S that if she obtained those cards by C, he would have exchanged the rare cards with S, which was an unfair exchange)

Are the cards used all together by Sarah? Are them glued one to the other? Are them cut? Is the back of the cards relevant? More relevant than the front?
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:38 am

So are the dimensions of the trading cards relevant at all? yes Their shapes? yes

Note: you do not have to establish these in absolute terms, but they are relevant factors in the solution

Their color? no Is Sarah interested in the rare cards she gave to the counterpart? no Is there a third counterpart which has been frauded? yes (E.g. 3 people, A S (Sarah) C: A, which is not an expert of the game, but owns very rare cards, tells S that if she obtained those cards by C, he would have exchanged the rare cards with S, which was an unfair exchange) but not along these lines

Are the cards used all together by Sarah? please rephrase Are them glued one to the other? no Are them cut? no Is the back of the cards relevant? no More relevant than the front? n/a
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby Earnest » Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:41 am

To be sure...was Sarah the owner of the rare cards?
Was the third part present when the exchange took place? If so is the third part aware of which cards are considered worthless and which ones are considered rare? Is the third part interested in some of the cards involved in the exchange? In the rare ones?
Did Sarah want to form a deck with the worthless cards? To exchange them? To play them in a game? To sell them? Did Sarah collect trading cards before and during the exchanges but NO more after them?

Did Sarah want somehow to exploit the "volume" of the worthless cards? (E.g. she put the cards in ger pocket/ in the pocket of soneone else so that it was evident that the pocket contained a lot of cards?) Do the worthless cards put together form a rare card?

Is the part mainly fraud by Sarah: the ones which exchanged the cards with her? The third part?
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby WiZ » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:21 am

To be sure...was Sarah the owner of the rare cards? yes
Was the third part present when the exchange took place? no If so is the third part aware of which cards are considered worthless and which ones are considered rare? n/a (but no) Is the third part interested in some of the cards involved in the exchange? yope In the rare ones? not especially
Did Sarah want to form a deck with the worthless cards? no To exchange them? yes To play them in a game? no To sell them? no Did Sarah collect trading cards before and during the exchanges but NO more after them? correct

Did Sarah want somehow to exploit the "volume" of the worthless cards? yes! (E.g. she put the cards in ger pocket/ in the pocket of soneone else so that it was evident that the pocket contained a lot of cards?) but not in this vein Do the worthless cards put together form a rare card? no

Is the part mainly fraud by Sarah: the ones which exchanged the cards with her? The third part? The third party is the one who is defrauded. The exchangee is usually getting a pretty sweet deal.
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby Earnest » Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:55 am

Did she want to exchange the common cards with the third party?
Are the common cards equal in shape? Equal in general (same image on the front and on the back)? Relevant? Same colors?)? Do they represent the same "yu-gi-ho" monster/cards? Does she want to exchange all of the common cards with the third party? Part of them?
She wanted to exploit their volume = she want to let the third party to think that she had a lot of cards? A lot of rare cards? That she makes a lot of exchanges? That she put an effort in finding the cards the third party was looking for? Did she want to form a deck with the common cards? If so, relevant which cards she would like to put on the top of the deck? Which at the bottom? Is the exchange with the third party something like: the third party, who knew yu-gi-ho cards and the rules of the game, saw the cards he is going to exchange with the girl who also knew which cards the third party is going to give her in exchange and an agreement is made? Are countries relevant (sometimes a series is published in a country before being published in another one...or cards are different from a country to another)? Are languages relevant (some cards are in a language some in another)? Did she want to impress the third party with the volume of the cards?
Did she want to form many little decks?
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby WiZ » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:31 am

Did she want to exchange the common cards with the third party? yope, explore
Are the common cards equal in shape? yes Equal in general (same image on the front and on the back)? Relevant? irrelevant Same colors?)? Do they represent the same "yu-gi-ho" monster/cards? irrelevant (but likely) Does she want to exchange all of the common cards with the third party? yes Part of them? no
She wanted to exploit their volume = she want to let the third party to think that she had a lot of cards? A lot of rare cards? That she makes a lot of exchanges? That she put an effort in finding the cards the third party was looking for? She does not believe the third party will care about any of this Did she want to form a deck with the common cards? no If so, relevant which cards she would like to put on the top of the deck? Which at the bottom? no to all Is the exchange with the third party something like: the third party, who knew yu-gi-ho cards and the rules of the game, saw the cards he is going to exchange with the girl who also knew which cards the third party is going to give her in exchange and an agreement is made? not at all Are countries relevant (sometimes a series is published in a country before being published in another one...or cards are different from a country to another)? no Are languages relevant (some cards are in a language some in another)? no Did she want to impress the third party with the volume of the cards? no
Did she want to form many little decks? no
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby Earnest » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:48 pm

Relevant what ahe get in exchange of the common cards to the third party? Other cards? Rare ones? Does the unfairness of the exchange with the third party come from the difference in values of the common cards and the something given by the third party in exchange? The quantity? The value of the items in the future? The use made by the third party and Sarah with the exchanged objects
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Postby WiZ » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:08 pm

Relevant what ahe get in exchange of the common cards to the third party? yes Other cards? Rare ones? no to both Does the unfairness of the exchange with the third party come from the difference in values of the common cards and the something given by the third party in exchange? yesish The quantity? no The value of the items in the future? no The use made by the third party and Sarah with the exchanged objects also yesish
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby wolfier » Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:18 am

Did Sarah give away some rare cards in order to obtain a larger amount of common cards?

Did Sarah then exchange these common cards away under some disguise, as if they were rare?

The fact that the cards are physically similar - would it allow Sarah to conceal the fact that the common cards are rare, by for example attaching a rare card at the top an at the bottom of a few common cards, and defraud a victim into thinking that they are all rare?
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby WiZ » Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:56 am

Did Sarah give away some rare cards in order to obtain a larger amount of common cards? yes, that was largely her MO

Did Sarah then exchange these common cards away under some disguise, as if they were rare? no (although she could have done this if she felt particularly unethical)

The fact that the cards are physically similar - would it allow Sarah to conceal the fact that the common cards are rare, by for example attaching a rare card at the top an at the bottom of a few common cards, and defraud a victim into thinking that they are all rare? no
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Postby Earnest » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:41 am

Did she "artificially" increase the volume of the common cards? E.g. she displayed the common cards to the third party as a deck putting some of them in a facing so that the deck would seem bigger? Or she put some paper between cards? Or again she made a little crease in each card so that at the end the deck seemed bigger in volume?

Did she display the common cards relevantly as a deck of cards? Did cards have facing? Relevant?
Was the exchange considered fair if the two deck to be exchanged had the same height?
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby GalFisk » Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:36 pm

Relevant how Sarah got the rare cards? Does Sarah make changes to the common cards? Is she a fraudster?
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:45 am

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Did she "artificially" increase the volume of the common cards? no E.g. she displayed the common cards to the third party as a deck putting some of them in a facing so that the deck would seem bigger? no Or she put some paper between cards? no Or again she made a little crease in each card so that at the end the deck seemed bigger in volume? nothing like this

Did she display the common cards relevantly as a deck of cards? no Did cards have facing? presumably Relevant? no, actually
Was the exchange considered fair if the two deck to be exchanged had the same height? are we talking about Sarah and A, or Sarah and C?

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Relevant how Sarah got the rare cards? no (assume she was a former collector/player) Does Sarah make changes to the common cards? no Is she a fraudster? yes
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Postby Earnest » Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:59 am

Is what she got in exchange of the common cards something related to the game? An object? A service? Something valuable? Money? The common cards themselves? Information? Is the exchange with the third party easy to classify as unfair? If so, can we say that the exchanged thing belonging to the third party has a value of: common cards + something? Again, if so is the "+ something"'s monetary value significantly more than the common cards' value? Is the sum of the two values more than the double of the common cards' value?
Had the cards been rare, would the exchange have worked? Did the third party think that the cards were rare ones?

To be sure, can we assume that S exchanged ALL the common cards with the third party? Just part of them? Can we further assume that the exchange is meant to be definitive?
Did the third party think that he is getting common cards in exchange of what he is giving to S? Or he thought to have in exchange something else like money? Other objects?
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:53 pm

Is what she got in exchange of the common cards something related to the game? no! An object? yes (as in, a tangible good) A service? no Something valuable? yope Money? no The common cards themselves? no Information? no Is the exchange with the third party easy to classify as unfair? yes If so, can we say that the exchanged thing belonging to the third party has a value of: common cards + something? the exchanged good was more valuable than the common cards Again, if so is the "+ something"'s monetary value significantly more than the common cards' value? yes Is the sum of the two values more than the double of the common cards' value? Probably
Had the cards been rare, would the exchange have worked? yes, but she would have been unlikely to have stockpiled as many cards - she would also potentially have a better alternative in simply selling off a rare card Did the third party think that the cards were rare ones? no - the third party was essentially ignorant of the game

To be sure, can we assume that S exchanged ALL the common cards with the third party? yes ust part of them? no Can we further assume that the exchange is meant to be definitive? yes
Did the third party think that he is getting common cards in exchange of what he is giving to S? no! Or he thought to have in exchange something else like money? yes! Other objects? yes (i.e. money)
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby Enjay » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:59 pm

So Sarah gives the common cards to a third party, pretending they are money? Does she hand over a bundle of what looks like money but is actually padded out with the cards? Does she use the cards as a stand in for something worth money, like a travel ticket? Credit/debit cards relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby WiZ » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:27 pm

So Sarah gives the common cards to a third party, pretending they are money? Yes, FAs lurking Does she hand over a bundle of what looks like money but is actually padded out with the cards? no, but ORT Does she use the cards as a stand in for something worth money, like a travel ticket? no, getting slightly colder Credit/debit cards relevant? no
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby GalFisk » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:15 am

Are the cards printed on money-like paper? Which lets counterfeiters make more convincing fake bills?
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby Earnest » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:35 am

Were the cards in a wallet? Inside a box or sonething else which made it hard to see them?
Were them put somewhere together with money? Were them visible to the third party? Is it relevant to determine the object exchanged? Relevant the currency? Did she wet the cards a little bit and then dry them in order to make more volume?

Did she give also "real money" to the third party? Did she make a substitution of real money with cards (e.g. the box containing the money with the box containing the cards, having both the same volume)?
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby WiZ » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:13 am

GalFisk

Are the cards printed on money-like paper? yope to yesish, explore Which lets counterfeiters make more convincing fake bills? yope to noish

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Were the cards in a wallet? Inside a box or sonething else which made it hard to see them? not at any relevant stage
Were them put somewhere together with money? no (during the transaction) Were them visible to the third party? no... at first Is it relevant to determine the object exchanged? it might help, but it's not the most relevant missing variable Relevant the currency? somewhat - it won't work in all countries Did she wet the cards a little bit and then dry them in order to make more volume? no

Did she give also "real money" to the third party? no Did she make a substitution of real money with cards yes! (e.g. the box containing the money with the box containing the cards, having both the same volume)? no, but ORT
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Postby Earnest » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:39 am

I reverse GalFisk question...did she make photocopies of the cards on paper? On a special paper? Did she glue paper or something else on the cards? I mean...my problem is that cards are more rigid than money usually....so it is hard to confuse them with money if they are visible to the third party. Moreover their size, if I rememver correctly, generally differs from the size of cash at least. Hence...my question is: was it necessary for her also to solve problems of rigidity and size of the cards? In order to make them much more money alike?
Did she make a picture of the "money-like cards"? Did she pay with a cheque that recealed to be blank?

Another doubt is the necessity to "hide" cards and at the same time to make them money alike...we said that the third party did not check them in a first time. Were the money-cards inside something? Was it dark when the exchange took place? Did Sarah go to a restaurant and simply paid the bill with the cards?...usually the waiter does not look at the money untill the customer is outside of the restaurant.

Can we assume that the exchange with the third party was sonething like Sarah and third party were one in front of the other (face to face without barreers...not like when someone speaks to prisoners of a jail for instance) and S put the money-cards in the hand of the third party while at the same time the third party handed the object to S?
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby WiZ » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:28 am

I reverse GalFisk question...did she make photocopies of the cards on paper? no On a special paper? n/a Did she glue paper or something else on the cards? no I mean...my problem is that cards are more rigid than money usually true ....so it is hard to confuse them with money if they are visible to the third party also true!. Moreover their size, if I rememver correctly, generally differs from the size of cash at least. interesting Hence...my question is: was it necessary for her also to solve problems of rigidity and size of the cards? In order to make them much more money alike? no
Did she make a picture of the "money-like cards"? no Did she pay with a cheque that recealed to be blank? no

Another doubt is the necessity to "hide" cards and at the same time to make them money alike...we said that the third party did not check them in a first time. correct Were the money-cards inside something? yes, at a relevant point Was it dark when the exchange took place? no/irrelevant Did Sarah go to a restaurant and simply paid the bill with the cards? no ...usually the waiter does not look at the money untill the customer is outside of the restaurant.

Can we assume that the exchange with the third party was sonething like Sarah and third party were one in front of the other (face to face without barreers...not like when someone speaks to prisoners of a jail for instance) not at all and S put the money-cards in the hand of the third party not at all while at the same time the third party handed the object to S? yope
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby Earnest » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:28 pm

So...to avoid confusion let us divide the exchange in 3 parts:
1) S takes the money-cards
2) S gives the money-cards to the third party and the third party gives the object to S
3) S goes away and the third party count the money-cards

Is the third point correct? Did the third party count the cards and realized they were not money?
Were the cards-money inside the something in the first two points? In the third? Did S make the substitution of money with cards before the exchange? During it? At the end? When the third party was distracted? Did she ask for the change? Did the third party see the real money? Did he take them? Did S handed to him?
Is she a magician? Is a trick involved?

to be sure...the transaction did not happen online right?

The money-cards were inside something that was neither a box nor a wallet right? Were them ready for being substituted with real money? Were them hidden in a pocket? Something that S gave to the third party with cards in inside? Was it simple to open it? To see money-cards inside it? Was it something whose main aim is to contain things? Was it simple to put the cards inside it? Was it a book? A deck? A part of her clothing? An hat?

Did she print the money? Photocopy them? Were the money cash? Relevant if they were grouped together? Loose? If she gave to the third party cash by cash or all together? Was there a register? Relevant?

WAG: she put a card-money below each real cash money; she glued her finger so that each time she passed a card to the third party the real money stayed on her finger and she put in her pocket xD
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Re: [WiZ] Harass Selfless Sarah

Postby WiZ » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:47 am

So...to avoid confusion let us divide the exchange in 3 parts:
1) S takes the money-cards yes
2) S gives the money-cards to the third party yes (perhaps yesish, depending on how we're defining the 'third party') and the third party gives the object to S yes to yesish, see previous answer
3) S goes away yes and the third party count the money-cards yes, eventually

Is the third point correct? yes, although beware timeframes Did the third party count the cards and realized they were not money? yes, eventually
Were the cards-money inside the something in the first two points? In the third? in the second, and at the start of the third Did S make the substitution of money with cards before the exchange? During it? this, mostlyAt the end? When the third party was distracted? no Did she ask for the change? no Did the third party see the real money? no Did he take them? no Did S handed to him? no
Is she a magician? Is a trick involved?

to be sure...the transaction did not happen online right? correct

The money-cards were inside something that was neither a box nor a wallet right? yes Were them ready for being substituted with real money? yes Were them hidden in a pocket? not relevantly Something that S gave to the third party with cards in inside? giant yope Was it simple to open it? yes To see money-cards inside it? no, at first Was it something whose main aim is to contain things? yes Was it simple to put the cards inside it? yes Was it a book? A deck? A part of her clothing? An hat? no to all

Did she print the money? no Photocopy them? no Were the money cash? no, but... Relevant if they were grouped together? they would not have been Loose? yes (as, in 'separate from each other') If she gave to the third party cash by cash or all together? cash-by-cash Was there a register? no, but this is the most ORT thing said in this puzzle so far Relevant? yes

WAG: she put a card-money below each real cash money; she glued her finger so that each time she passed a card to the third party the real money stayed on her finger and she put in her pocket xD no, but very creative; you may have missed your calling!
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