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[Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Balin » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:06 pm

Ricardo takes a trip one day to buy a bottle of water. He is not thirsty and has no intention of drinking the water. Why does he do it?

Adapted from something I read online - and I feel this might be a speedy one
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Enjay » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:16 pm

Ricardo = HAM?

Is the water ordinary drinkable water? Some special kind of water? Holy water? Does he plan to do something with the water other than drink it? Will he empty it out of the bottle? Give it to someone else? Does he want the bottle so buys the water to get it?

Does Ricardo travel to a specific place to buy the water? Is it a long journey? Relevant how he travels?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Balin » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:19 am

Ricardo = HAM? Yes

Is the water ordinary drinkable water? Yes Some special kind of water? No Holy water? No Does he plan to do something with the water other than drink it? Yes Will he empty it out of the bottle? No Give it to someone else? Yope Does he want the bottle so buys the water to get it? Assuming you mean "does he want the bottle for himself," No

Does Ricardo travel to a specific place to buy the water? Yes, but don't get too specific Is it a long journey? Probably not Relevant how he travels? Not really
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby trebor » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:02 am

Is freezing the water relevant? Using the bottle as a projectile of some sort? Is he particularly desperate to get a game of spin the bottle underway? Is he going to introduce something to the water?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Balin » Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:19 pm

Is freezing the water relevant? Using the bottle as a projectile of some sort? Is he particularly desperate to get a game of spin the bottle underway? Is he going to introduce something to the water? No to all
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby jumpingjacks » Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:38 pm

Yope to "give it to someone else" -- does he slip it to them without their knowledge? Put it in their bag before they go through security? (at an airport?) Does he want them to get stopped?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:11 pm

Is it relevant which country, location, climate this is in? Is the bottle plastic, glass, other? Is the water fizzy, still? Is the label or cap relevant? Is either the bottle or the water remarkable in any way? Will he add something to the water or to the bottle? Is it a souvenir or a rarity? Will the water be used for another purpose other than drinking, e.g. washing feet? Is Ricardo's profession relevant? Is the water from a spring or well or other special location or source?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Westing1992 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:28 am

Did he buy the water at a grocery store? Gas station store? From a vending machine?
Could he have bought something other than water? Another drink?
Was the trip he made a fairly long one? Was buying the water just an excuse to go someplace?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Balin » Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:12 pm

Yope to "give it to someone else" -- does he slip it to them without their knowledge? Yes, for svv of "slip it to them" Put it in their bag before they go through security? (at an airport?) Does he want them to get stopped? No to these

Is it relevant which country, location, climate this is in? Assume US Is the bottle plastic, glass, other? Plastic Is the water fizzy, still? No, it's non-fizzy bottled water Is the label or cap relevant? The label, slightly Is either the bottle or the water remarkable in any way? No Will he add something to the water or to the bottle? No Is it a souvenir or a rarity? No Will the water be used for another purpose other than drinking, e.g. washing feet? No Is Ricardo's profession relevant? No Is the water from a spring or well or other special location or source? Irrel

Did he buy the water at a grocery store? This Gas station store? From a vending machine?
Could he have bought something other than water? No Another drink? No
Was the trip he made a fairly long one? Not extremely long - exact length is irrel. Assume he traveled several miles Was buying the water just an excuse to go someplace? No
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby jumpingjacks » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:26 pm

This other person he yopishly gives the bottle to - are they ham? Family? Friend? Colleague? Stranger? Enemy?
Is Ricardo doing something nice for them? something nice for someone else? Or is he doing something bad? Will Ricardo gain materially from his actions? Will the other person?
Would this also work if RIcardo had filled a clear glass bottle with water?
The label being relevant - because of something printed on it? the brand? a picture? Because it can be torn off and used for something else?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Balin » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:54 pm

This other person he yopishly gives the bottle to - are they ham? FA - it's not one individual person who "receives" the bottle" - but H/A/mixed Family? Friend? Colleague? Stranger? This is closest Enemy?
Is Ricardo doing something nice for them? No something nice for someone else? No Or is he doing something bad? Yes, it's unethical Will Ricardo gain materially from his actions? Yes Will the other person? No
Would this also work if RIcardo had filled a clear glass bottle with water? No
The label being relevant - because of something printed on it? Yes the brand? Yes (although you don't need to name the particular brand to solve the puzzle) a picture? Because it can be torn off and used for something else?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby trebor » Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:31 am

Is his profession relevant? Does this unethical thing he’s about to do pertain to a hobby of his? Are homeless people involved? Are the strangers congregated together? Is he a politician? Is this going to be a photo op? Is a prank relevant? Is he mocking the other people? Taunting them? Sports relevant? Is product placement relevant? Are the strangers going to be promoting a competing water product? Is he going to ruin a film shoot?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Balin » Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:52 pm

Is his profession relevant? Does this unethical thing he’s about to do pertain to a hobby of his? Are homeless people involved? Are the strangers congregated together? Is he a politician? Is this going to be a photo op? Is a prank relevant? Is he mocking the other people? Taunting them? Sports relevant? Is product placement relevant? Are the strangers going to be promoting a competing water product? Is he going to ruin a film shoot? No to all
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby jumpingjacks » Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:04 pm

We don't need to know the particular brand, but are there aspects of the brand we should know? For instance, is it a particularly expensive brand of water? Do people make a relevant association when they think of the brand?
Is this brand quite uncommon, and so particularly difficult to obtain? Was it only available at that grocery store / was the grocery store one of the few places where you could buy this brand of water?
Is this group of strangers going to drink the water at all? Does Ricardo want them to? If no, is anyone going to drink it at all?
Ricardo's gain - will he gain financially? Will the group of strangers lose financially?
Is Ricardo going to pretend that the water is something it's not? That the brand represents something it doesn't?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Balin » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:32 pm

We don't need to know the particular brand, but are there aspects of the brand we should know? Yes, particularly... For instance, is it a particularly expensive brand of water? Do people make a relevant association when they think of the brand? Is this brand quite uncommon, and so particularly difficult to obtain? Was it only available at that grocery store / was the grocery store one of the few places where you could buy this brand of water? ...this
Is this group of strangers going to drink the water at all? Probably not Does Ricardo want them to? No If no, is anyone going to drink it at all? Eventually, possibly
Ricardo's gain - will he gain financially? Will the group of strangers lose financially?
Is Ricardo going to pretend that the water is something it's not? That the brand represents something it doesn't?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Balin » Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:08 am

HINT: Ricardo is going to put the water bottle down and never pick it up again.
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby GalFisk » Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:23 pm

Is there a deposit on the bottle? If so, does he cash it in? Is the shape of the bottle relevant? Is he doing this for someone apart from himself? Does he put it down outside? Does he want someone else to pick it up? Is he setting some kind of trap? Is he doing a prank?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Balin » Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:51 pm

Is there a deposit on the bottle? Irrel If so, does he cash it in? No Is the shape of the bottle relevant? No Is he doing this for someone apart from himself? No Does he put it down outside? No Does he want someone else to pick it up? No Is he setting some kind of trap? No Is he doing a prank? No
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby GalFisk » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:01 pm

Does he put it where it can be seen by anyone? If so, relevant who sees it? Is the weight of the bottle relevant? Relevant what he does after putting down the bottle? Is he obscuring a camera? Disabling a sensor? Otherwise messing with a technological system? Preparing for a crime?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Balin » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:03 pm

Does he put it where it can be seen by anyone? Yes If so, relevant who sees it? Yes Is the weight of the bottle relevant? No Relevant what he does after putting down the bottle? No Is he obscuring a camera? Disabling a sensor? Otherwise messing with a technological system? Preparing for a crime? None of these, although the last one is somewhat relevant
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby GalFisk » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:09 pm

Is he preparing for something which is not a crime? Is he covering up a crime? Or something which is not a crime? Will it be seen by one relevant person? One relevant group of people? Will someone mistakenly assume that the bottle was put there by someone else? Is he interfering with an investigation? With someone doing their job? Has he done anything relevant to the bottle? Such as tying it down? Applying glue to it? Making it spill if picked up?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Balin » Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:07 pm

Is he preparing for something which is not a crime? Is he covering up a crime? Or something which is not a crime? Yope. By purchasing the bottle and putting it down, he is technically committing a crime
Will it be seen by one relevant person? One relevant group of people? Yes, one of these
Will someone mistakenly assume that the bottle was put there by someone else? Yope Is he interfering with an investigation? No With someone doing their job? No
Has he done anything relevant to the bottle? Yes Such as tying it down? Applying glue to it? Making it spill if picked up? But not these
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby GalFisk » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:24 am

Has he done something to: the water? The bottle cap? The bottle itself? If so, the outside? The bottom? Can this thing only be done to this type of bottle? This type of water? Will someone drink the water? Spill it? Test it? Does he want to tarnish the reputation of the manufacturer? Seller? Anyone else? Can his actions be called a prank?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Balin » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:24 pm

Has he done something to: the water? The bottle cap? The bottle itself? This (mild -ish) If so, the outside? Yes The bottom? No
Can this thing only be done to this type of bottle? No, but if it were different, Ricardo's action wouldn't work This type of water? Same as previous
Will someone drink the water? Not during the course of the puzzle Spill it? No Test it? No Does he want to tarnish the reputation of the manufacturer? No Seller? No Anyone else? No Can his actions be called a prank? No
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby gregoryuconn » Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:56 am

Is he attempting to circumvent some other law? Perhaps there's something that's legal to give away but not to sell, so it's given away "for free" with the water bottle? Maybe something along the lines of DC's marijuana laws?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby trebor » Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:37 pm

Does he write something on the label? Alter the label somehow? Is flooding relevant?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Balin » Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:52 pm

Is he attempting to circumvent some other law? Only in that he is committing a bit of a crime Perhaps there's something that's legal to give away but not to sell, so it's given away "for free" with the water bottle? I like this guess - and I've seen actions like this a few times - but this isn't it Maybe something along the lines of DC's marijuana laws?

Does he write something on the label? Alter the label somehow? Is flooding relevant? No to these
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby GalFisk » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:11 am

Has he placed the bottle inside something relevant? Wrapped something relevant around it? Weight of the bottle relevant? Shape? Size? Temperature? Thickness? Material? Color? Is he tricking someone? Annoying someone? Does the crime occur when he buys the bottle? Modifies it? Places it? Someone finds it? Later?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Balin » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:09 pm

Has he placed the bottle inside something relevant? No Wrapped something relevant around it? No, but OTRT
Weight of the bottle relevant? Shape? Size? Temperature? Thickness? Material? Color? No to all
Is he tricking someone? Yes Annoying someone? No
Does the crime occur when he buys the bottle? Modifies it? This... Places it? ...and this Someone finds it? Later?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby wolfier » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:39 pm

Is it relevant the specific place where the water can only be bought at? Is it famous?
Does he modify the outside of the bottle, i.e. the label? Covering it? Expiry relevant?
By a "crime" placing it, is that crime littering?
Did he glue the cover of the bottle shut?
Is he trying to trick a person in particular (if so, do they know each other?), a particular group of people, or whoever can see it? Would the target of his trickery do something that would benefit him? If so, financially?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby GalFisk » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:41 pm

Did he tie something around it? A string? A wire? An explosive? Smear something onto it? Glue? Something infectious? Repulsive? Dangerous? Dip it in something?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Balin » Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:50 pm

Is it relevant the specific place where the water can only be bought at? No Is it famous? Irrel
Does he modify the outside of the bottle Yes i.e. the label? No Covering it? No Expiry relevant? No
By a "crime" placing it, is that crime littering? No
Did he glue the cover of the bottle shut? No
Is he trying to trick a person in particular (if so, do they know each other?), a particular group of people, or whoever can see it? A group Would the target of his trickery do something that would benefit him? No If so, financially? No

Did he tie something around it? No, but OTRT A string? A wire? An explosive? Smear something onto it? Glue? Something infectious? Repulsive? Dangerous? Dip it in something? No to all
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby GalFisk » Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:56 pm

Did he cover it? Hang something on it? Wrap something around it? Fasten something onto it? Is the something made from plastic? Metal? Rubber? Glass? Ceramic? Wood? Foam? Food? Skin? Leather? Fur? Bone? Teeth? Fabric? Hair? Wool? Plant fiber? Is it electronic? Mass produced? Expensive?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby trebor » Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:34 am

So he sets it down inside? In a public building? In an office building? Hospital? Apartment unit? House? A place people go to to work? To enjoy themselves? A gym? A learning institution? Is it relevant which gas station he bought the water at?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Balin » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:18 pm

Did he cover it? Hang something on it? This Wrap something around it? Fasten something onto it?
Is the something made from plastic? When I've seen these things hung on water bottles, they've either been made of plastic or paper Metal? Rubber? Glass? Ceramic? Wood? Foam? Food? Skin? Leather? Fur? Bone? Teeth? Fabric? Hair? Wool? Plant fiber?
Is it electronic? No Mass produced? Yes Expensive? No
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby GalFisk » Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:35 pm

Is it a cup? A bag? Money? Something with relevant printing? Color? Does it cover the whole bottle? More than half? Just the top? Relevant? Relevant where he got the thing? How? Is he making a threat?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby trebor » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:51 pm

I think you missed my questions.

Is the something also purchased at the gas station? Is something that is worn?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Balin » Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:08 pm

Is it a cup? A bag? Money? No to these Something with relevant printing? Yes Color? No
Does it cover the whole bottle? More than half? Less than half; it's hung around the bottle's neck Just the top? Relevant? It may help determine the item
Relevant where he got the thing? Yes How? It may help Is he making a threat? No

I think you missed my questions. Sorry! I've answered them below.

Is the something also purchased at the gas station? No (he bought it at a grocery store, not a gas station) Is something that is worn? No

So he sets it down inside? Yes In a public building? Yes In an office building? Hospital? Apartment unit? House? A place people go to to work? To enjoy themselves? Yope - No to rest A gym? A learning institution?
Is it relevant which store he bought the water at? Not to the puzzle solution
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby GalFisk » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:27 am

Does it have text? Numbers? Is it a tag? A barcode? Label? Does it indicate that there's something different with the bottle? Does it indicate that the bottle is hazardous?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Balin » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:04 pm

Does it have text? There are no letters Numbers? Yes, good q
Is it a tag? Yes A barcode? Label?
Does it indicate that there's something different with the bottle? Noish Does it indicate that the bottle is hazardous? No
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Balin » Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:55 pm

RECAP:
Ricardo purchases a bottle of water from a specific brand and places it down inside a public building. He also places a tag (which has a number on it) on the bottle. By doing this, he is committing a small crime.
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby biograd » Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:00 pm

Is it relevant that it is a bottle of water? or would anything with the brand name written on it be sufficient? Do the brand name and the number together spell something?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Balin » Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:05 pm

Is it relevant that it is a bottle of water? Yes or would anything with the brand name written on it be sufficient? No Do the brand name and the number together spell something? No

You actually asked the question while I was writing the lack-of-activity spoiler. This puzzle survives a little longer!
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby trebor » Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:40 pm

Are there other tagged items in the building as well? Is the building a library? A restaurant/coffee shop? Bookstore? A place where people buy things? Does he set the bottle down next to other bottles of water? Does the tag indicate price? Who it's for?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Balin » Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:13 pm

Are there other tagged items in the building as well? Yes
Is the building a library? A restaurant/coffee shop? Bookstore? None of these A place where people buy things? Yes, it can be called this
Does he set the bottle down next to other bottles of water? No Does the tag indicate price? Yes Who it's for? No
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby GalFisk » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:55 am

Is he hoping the bottle will be sold? Drunk? Seen? Thrown away? Returned? Is selling this bottle of water at this place against relevant rules? Is he hoping someone will get in trouble? Will he buy it himself? Is this a way of smuggling a bottle?
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Balin » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:27 pm

Is he hoping the bottle will be sold? Drunk? Seen? This, No to restThrown away? Returned?
Is selling this bottle of water at this place against relevant rules? No, also he is not selling it Is he hoping someone will get in trouble? Will he buy it himself? Is this a way of smuggling a bottle? No to all
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink

Postby Balin » Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:46 pm

(This puzzle survived one spoiler attempt, but not two.)

****SPOILER****

While staying at a hotel, Ricardo became thirsty and drank a bottle of water that he had not realized the hotel charged a hefty price for. When he did realize this, he went to a store and bought another water bottle of the same size and brand for much cheaper, then brought it back to the hotel and put the price tag on that bottle. The hotel staff never noticed the swap.
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink (*BOTTLED*)

Postby wolfier » Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:51 pm

Nice puzzle...I wouldn't count it as a crime though. It's not like that exact hotel-provided bottle is any special, anyway.
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Re: [Balin] Not a drop to drink (*BOTTLED*)

Postby trebor » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:39 pm

Yup, I was nowhere near the solution. I was thinking Ricardo was being a jerk, and I was definitely on the wrong track.
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