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[JenBurdoo] Word to the Wives

Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:46 pm

Jimmy's friends incorrectly think his mother is angry all the time. Why?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Word to the Wives

Postby trebor » Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:35 pm

Is this because of something Jimmy has told them about his mom? Something they have heard her say? Seen her do? Does Jimmy have any other relevant parents?

Is Jimmy younger than five? 5 - 10? 10 - 20? Older? Is his school relevant? His job? Is his mother's profession relevant? Is her name relevant?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:04 am

Is this because of something Jimmy has told them about his mom? No. Something they have heard her say? No. Seen her do? Possibly, but not necessarily. Does Jimmy have any other relevant parents? No.

Is Jimmy younger than five? 5 - 10? 10 - 20? Older? Assume primary-school age. Is his school relevant? No. His job? No. Is his mother's profession relevant? Assume home-maker. Is her name relevant? No.
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Postby wolfier » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:20 pm

Do they make this judgement based on their observation of Jimmy's behaviour?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:28 am

Do they make this judgement based on their observation of Jimmy's behaviour? No.
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Postby Westing1992 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:18 am

Is there something about her appearance? Do the friends directly observe her? When picking him up from school? At his house? Do they observe something that makes them think that? Something about Jimmy? His clothes? Possessions? His mother's vehicle?
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Postby Earnest » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:45 am

So his mother = Jimmy's mother right? Was angry = was angry in general? With someone in particular? With Jimmy? Is her face expression relevant? Did Jimmy represent relevantly his mother on a picture? Did he influence the judgement of his friend in some way?

Did Jimmy's mother behave in a way that let the friend think that she is angry? For instance she does not buy J something each time they exit from school? She never get out of her car? Had Jimmy's friend ever seen J's mum? Interact with her? Does J's friend live near Jimmy? For instance he was said that someone screams just when he/she is angry; J's mum like karaoke or theater and screams so he inferred that she was angry? Is a simplicistic interpretation given? (Like the one above: he was told that every time something happens, the person doing that thing can be considered angry)?
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Postby peter365 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:47 pm

Is Jimmy's appearance relevant? His clothes? Does Jimmy or the mother have any relevant medical complaint? Does Jimmy refer to her as normal children would e.g. Mommy or Mom etc.


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Re: [JenBurdoo] Word to the Wives

Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:27 pm

Peter, thanks for the reminder!

Is Jimmy's appearance relevant? His clothes? No to both. Does Jimmy or the mother have any relevant medical complaint? Yes. Does Jimmy refer to her as normal children would e.g. Mommy or Mom etc. Yes.

So his mother = Jimmy's mother right? Yes. Was angry = was angry in general? With someone in particular? With Jimmy? Irr. Is her face expression relevant? Did Jimmy represent relevantly his mother on a picture? Did he influence the judgement of his friend in some way? No to these.

Did Jimmy's mother behave in a way that let the friend think that she is angry? Yes. For instance she does not buy J something each time they exit from school? She never get out of her car? No to these. Had Jimmy's friend ever seen J's mum? Interact with her? Irr, assume no. Does J's friend live near Jimmy? Irr. For instance he was said that someone screams just when he/she is angry; J's mum like karaoke or theater and screams so he inferred that she was angry? No. Is a simplicistic interpretation given? (Like the one above: he was told that every time something happens, the person doing that thing can be considered angry)? The friend is making a relevant inference.

Is there something about her appearance? No. Do the friends directly observe her? No. When picking him up from school? At his house? Neither of these. Do they observe something that makes them think that? Yes. Something about Jimmy? His clothes? Possessions? His mother's vehicle? None of these.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Word to the Wives

Postby wolfier » Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:14 am

So they observed none of Jimmy's behaviour nor his appearance, nor his possession.
Do they go to the same school? Does it work if they are just friends going to different schools?
Do they observe something Jimmy produces, for example, writings, homework, drawings, etc.?
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Postby Earnest » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:55 am

Does Jimmy or the mother have any relevant medical complaint? --> is it Jimmy? The mother? Is it a "mental" medical complaint? Like bipolar disorder? is it a temporary disturb? A permanent one? If it is J the one with the disturb, does the mother help Jimmy with his disturb? If so, does the friend see her in helping J? E.g. she needs to put the wheelchair in the trunk and makes an effort in doing that?

Does the friend see J's mother in a particular situation that bothers/annoys her? Is she actually angry or does she just appear so? Is the behavior making infer her anger, manifest through her facial expression/gestures/movements?

Inference done by the friend: since she adopt this behavior she is angry? Is the behavior adopted always the same? Like smoking a cigarette? Doing something compulsively? Relaxation balls relevant? Grinding the teeth (e.g. she has braces on the teeth)? She never smiles because of the face lift? Others?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:48 pm

So they observed none of Jimmy's behaviour nor his appearance, nor his possession. Correct.
Do they go to the same school? Irr. Does it work if they are just friends going to different schools? Yes.
Do they observe something Jimmy produces, for example, writings, homework, drawings, etc.? No.

Does the friend see J's mother in a particular situation that bothers/annoys her? No. Is she actually angry or does she just appear so? The latter. Is the behavior making infer her anger, manifest through her facial expression/gestures/movements? Movements, but explore.

Inference done by the friend: since she adopt this behavior she is angry? Yes. Is the behavior adopted always the same? No, but a regular occurrence observed every time he is present. Like smoking a cigarette? Doing something compulsively? Relaxation balls relevant? Grinding the teeth (e.g. she has braces on the teeth)? She never smiles because of the face lift? None of these. Others? A task she performs is relevant.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Word to the Wives

Postby peter365 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:11 am

Think you missed the first part of Earnest's questions.

Is Jimmy's mother younger than normal or older (to be the mother of a primary school kid I mean)? Are there any female specific medical complaints that are relevant? Is she blind ? hearing impaired? Is sign language relevant?

Can I just clarify that the mistaken belief that his mother is angry does not result from observing Jimmy's behaviour ? his appearance? seeing or hearing the mother? anything Jimmy says? it's got nothing to do with her occupation? It's possible to form this mistaken opinion without having met the mother or visited their home?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:30 am

Does Jimmy or the mother have any relevant medical complaint? Yes. --> is it Jimmy? The mother? This. Is it a "mental" medical complaint? No. Like bipolar disorder? is it a temporary disturb? A permanent one? This. If it is J the one with the disturb, does the mother help Jimmy with his disturb? If so, does the friend see her in helping J? E.g. she needs to put the wheelchair in the trunk and makes an effort in doing that?

Is Jimmy's mother younger than normal or older (to be the mother of a primary school kid I mean)? No. Are there any female specific medical complaints that are relevant? No. Is she blind ? hearing impaired? This. Is sign language relevant? No.

Can I just clarify that the mistaken belief that his mother is angry does not result from observing Jimmy's behaviour ? Correct. his appearance? Correct. seeing or hearing the mother? Incorrect. anything Jimmy says? Correct. it's got nothing to do with her occupation? Incorrect. It's possible to form this mistaken opinion without having met the mother Yes. or visited their home? Yes, but specific and unlikely circumstances would be required. Assume they have visited, but not been introduced formally to the mother.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Word to the Wives

Postby Earnest » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:18 am

Did she wear any hearing aid? Did she scream? (I know that people with hearing disturbs often scream in order to hear their voice) Did she avoid answering to questions/establishing a conversation with others' parents? Like sort of "involuntarily ignoring" people... Is her behavior performed in order to "hear people/conversations better"? Or something like an involuntary behavior due to her impediment? Is it something like a facial expression (eyes seemingly closed for instance) to make the other understand that she could not hear what the other told?

Btw, are both her hears damaged? Just one? relevant? Did she turn her head in order to listen with the "good" hear?
Are phone calls relevant? honking?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:11 pm

Did she wear any hearing aid? Did she scream? (I know that people with hearing disturbs often scream in order to hear their voice) Did she avoid answering to questions/establishing a conversation with others' parents? Like sort of "involuntarily ignoring" people... Is her behavior performed in order to "hear people/conversations better"? No to all. Or something like an involuntary behavior due to her impediment? Something along these lines. Is it something like a facial expression (eyes seemingly closed for instance) to make the other understand that she could not hear what the other told? No.

Btw, are both her hears damaged? She's totally deaf. Just one? relevant? Yes. Did she turn her head in order to listen with the "good" hear?
Are phone calls relevant? honking? No to both.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Word to the Wives

Postby peter365 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:41 am

Has Jimmy's house got a specially modified doorbell for the hearing impaired?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:21 pm

Has Jimmy's house got a specially modified doorbell for the hearing impaired? No.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Word to the Wives

Postby peter365 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:04 pm

Was she born deaf? if not is it relevant how she lost her hearing? Is her speech affected? Can she even talk?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:48 pm

Was she born deaf? Assume yes. if not is it relevant how she lost her hearing? No. Is her speech affected? Irr. Can she even talk?
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