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[Balin] The brain in Spain (*IT'S PLAIN*)

Postby Balin » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:10 pm

Maya makes a mistake. Calvin knows she made the mistake. However, the mistake goes uncorrected for some time. Why?

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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Earnest » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:52 am

Did Calvin (HAM?) voluntarily wait some time? If so in order Maya to finish doing what she was doing (e.g. a sentence? Playing a song? Others?) Was it simple to recognize Maya's (HAF?) mistake? Was Maya in front of a public?

Mistake = a common mistake? Spelling relevant? Pronunciation? Did Maya make just one mistake? More than one? If the latter, do other errors remain uncorrected as well?

In order to correct the error, would Calvin need to interrupt Maya? Or is something like Calvin could not see the error until some time is passed? (e.g. Calvin is a teacher and Maya a student making a written exam. Therefore Calvin could not see nor correct the mistake until Maya had handed down the paper to him)
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Balin » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:45 pm

Did Calvin (HAM?) voluntarily wait some time? Yes If so in order Maya to finish doing what she was doing No (e.g. a sentence? Playing a song? Others?) Was it simple to recognize Maya's (HAF?) mistake? Yes Was Maya in front of a public? No

Mistake = a common mistake? I wouldn't say that Spelling relevant? No Pronunciation? No Did Maya make just one mistake? Yes More than one? If the latter, do other errors remain uncorrected as well?

In order to correct the error, would Calvin need to interrupt Maya? Yes, if he were to correct her immediately Or is something like Calvin could not see the error until some time is passed? No (e.g. Calvin is a teacher and Maya a student making a written exam. Therefore Calvin could not see nor correct the mistake until Maya had handed down the paper to him) No
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Earnest » Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:36 pm

Did Maya know that she made the mistake in the moment she made it?

Did Calvin eventually correct the mistake? Is Calvin there to judge Maya? Can Calvin be considered "more expert" than Maya? Did Calvin made the same error of Maya? Could Calvin have interrupted Maya immediately had he wanted to? Would it be dangerous?

Relevant what was Maya doing? Sport? Food relevant? Music
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Balin » Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:31 pm

Did Maya know that she made the mistake in the moment she made it? No

Did Calvin eventually correct the mistake? Assume No, but it's not really relevant Is Calvin there to judge Maya? Definitely not Can Calvin be considered "more expert" than Maya? Not really Did Calvin made the same error of Maya? No Could Calvin have interrupted Maya immediately had he wanted to? Yes Would it be dangerous? No

Relevant what was Maya doing? Yope Sport? Food relevant? Music? No to these
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby trebor » Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:06 am

Does Calvin eventually correct the mistake? Does Maya? Someone else? Does the mistake "fix itself"? Is Maya a HAF? Is the mistake something that one can actually go and edit/repair/physically change later? Is it a scrund? An incorrect statement? Does Maya call someone by the wrong name? Misgender someone?

The amount of time for which the mistake goes uncorrected: minutes? Hours? Days? Months? Years?
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Balin » Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:24 am

Does Calvin eventually correct the mistake? No, and this is the important part Does Maya? Someone else? Assume someone else corrects her Does the mistake "fix itself"? No Is Maya a HAF? Yes, and Calvin is H/A/M Is the mistake something that one can actually go and edit/repair/physically change later? It's not a physical mistake, if that's what you mean Is it a scrund? No An incorrect statement? It's part of an incorrect statement Does Maya call someone by the wrong name? No Misgender someone? No

The amount of time for which the mistake goes uncorrected: minutes? Hours? Days? Months? Years? Irrel, assume a few months. The important part is that Calvin intentionally chooses not to correct the mistake
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Earnest » Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:32 pm

Was it convenient for Calvin not to correct M's mistake? If so, is the benefit in monetary terms? In terms of "more free time"? Are Calvin and Maya working/living together? Are them in a competition?

Is the mistake made in a written sentence? In a recorded sentence? Is labeling relevant?

Did Calvin act in such a way that someone else could spot Maya's mistake later on? If so in a crucial moment? (E.g. when he had proves...) Are tribunals involved?
Is the incorrect sentence written somewhere? Are social media involved? Technology relevant?

Are Maya and Calvin physically in the same room when Maya made the mistake? Is Calvin watching a movie and did not interrupt it/correct Maya in order not to spoil it to someone else?
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Balin » Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:48 pm

Was it convenient for Calvin not to correct M's mistake? No If so, is the benefit in monetary terms? In terms of "more free time"? No to both Are Calvin and Maya working/living together? Living Are them in a competition? No

Is the mistake made in a written sentence? In a recorded sentence? Neither Is labeling relevant? No

Did Calvin act in such a way that someone else could spot Maya's mistake later on? No If so in a crucial moment? (E.g. when he had proves...) Are tribunals involved? No
Is the incorrect sentence written somewhere? No Are social media involved? Very indirectly, so assume No Technology relevant? No, see previous

Are Maya and Calvin physically in the same room when Maya made the mistake? Yes Is Calvin watching a movie and did not interrupt it/correct Maya in order not to spoil it to someone else? No
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Doriana » Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:20 pm

Are Calvin and Maya in a relationship? married? roommates? siblings?

Spain relevant at all?
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Balin » Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:09 pm

Are Calvin and Maya in a relationship? Yes married? Assume so; the puzzle works whether or not they are roommates? siblings?

Spain relevant at all? No
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Doriana » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:43 pm

I'm a bit confused. You answered "Assume No, but it's not really relevant" to "Did Calvin eventually correct the mistake?" but also "No, and this is the important part" to "Does Calvin eventually correct the mistake?". Could you clarify?

Were other people present (except for Calvin) when she made the mistake?
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Balin » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:51 pm

I'm a bit confused. You answered "Assume No, but it's not really relevant" to "Did Calvin eventually correct the mistake?" but also "No, and this is the important part" to "Does Calvin eventually correct the mistake?". Could you clarify? Sorry. It's important that Calvin is not the one to correct the mistake, and that he intentionally makes the decision not to

Were other people present (except for Calvin) when she made the mistake? No
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Doriana » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:58 pm

Relevant where they are when she makes the mistake? If so, at home? in a public place? outdoors? in a car?

Does the mistake have long-term consequences for Calvin? for Maya?
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Balin » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:29 pm

Relevant where they are when she makes the mistake? Not really. Assume they are... If so, at home? ...here, as in a public place, someone else may have corrected the mistake sooner in a public place? outdoors? in a car?

Does the mistake have long-term consequences for Calvin? for Maya? No
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Earnest » Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:41 pm

Was Maya cooking? Did Calvin want to point out later on that Maya forgot something important?
Did Calvin correct that mistake previously? Do Calvin and Maya have the same age? Their relationship = father and daughter? Wife and husband? Boyfriend and girlfriend? Mother and son? Others?

Was Calvin recording a video? Is a joke involved?
Is the wrong statement wrong in: grammar? Wrong historical events? Wrong info reported? Was Maya talking at the phone? Was Maya talking to Calvin when she made the incorrect statement? Can the incorrect statement be classified as: normal sentence? Question? Command? Order?
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Balin » Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:33 pm

Was Maya cooking? No Did Calvin want to point out later on that Maya forgot something important? No
Did Calvin correct that mistake previously? No Do Calvin and Maya have the same age? Yes, or close Their relationship = father and daughter? Wife and husband? Yes Boyfriend and girlfriend? This would work too Mother and son? Others?

Was Calvin recording a video? No Is a joke involved? No
Is the wrong statement wrong in: grammar? No Wrong historical events? No Wrong info reported? Yope Was Maya talking at the phone? No Was Maya talking to Calvin when she made the incorrect statement? Yes Can the incorrect statement be classified as: normal sentence? This Question? Command? Order?
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Earnest » Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:44 am

Reason why Calvin did not correct Maya: he got no means to prove his objection to Maya? He wanted to wait for some time in order someone else contradict Maya? Did Calvin know that the sentence would have been corrected sooner or later? If so by facts? By news?

Had he corrected Maya immediately, would Calvin lose credibility? Did Calvin listen to Maya without telling/nor doing anything? Was Maya convinced of what she was saying?

Did they have a relevant hobby in common? Was Maya discussing about home organization? About TV series? About TV in general? About the way to do something? To clean up? Are bets relevant? Are tests/exams? Medical analyses?

WAG --> she claimed to be pregnant and Calvin knew she was wrong but did not want to contradict her giving her the wrong impression not to want a child/ to have betrayed her
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby wolfier » Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:23 pm

Did he intentionally not correct her because: he wants her to learn a lesson? wants to give someone else a chance to correct her? likes a side effect of the mistake? Did he expect someone would eventually correct her? Does he want to?
Is the mistake commonly recognised as being bad, or would some usually recognise it as beneficial?
Relevant which room they're in, bedroom, bathroom, kitchen, balcony, living room, dining room, foyer, mudroom, basement, crawlspace?
Does it has anything to do with her attire? his?
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Balin » Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:58 pm

Reason why Calvin did not correct Maya: he got no means to prove his objection to Maya? No He wanted to wait for some time in order someone else contradict Maya? No Did Calvin know that the sentence would have been corrected sooner or later? No If so by facts? By news?

Had he corrected Maya immediately, would Calvin lose credibility? No Did Calvin listen to Maya without telling/nor doing anything? I assume this was said as part of a conversation Was Maya convinced of what she was saying? Yes

Did they have a relevant hobby in common? No Was Maya discussing about home organization? About TV series? About TV in general? About the way to do something? To clean up? No to all Are bets relevant? Are tests/exams? Medical analyses? No to these

WAG --> she claimed to be pregnant and Calvin knew she was wrong but did not want to contradict her giving her the wrong impression not to want a child/ to have betrayed her No

Did he intentionally not correct her because: he wants her to learn a lesson? wants to give someone else a chance to correct her? likes a side effect of the mistake? No to these Did he expect someone would eventually correct her? Yes Does he want to? Yes, good q
Is the mistake commonly recognised as being bad, or would some usually recognise it as beneficial? No
Relevant which room they're in, bedroom, bathroom, kitchen, balcony, living room, dining room, foyer, mudroom, basement, crawlspace? Irrel
Does it has anything to do with her attire? his? Neither
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Earnest » Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:06 am

someone correcting Maya = someone present at the time of the conversation? Someone famous? Someone related to them? A friend? A relative (mum/dad...) of one of the two? Someone = a HAF? A HAM?
Is the conversation about something she heared on the news? Something she red somewhere (book? Billboard?...)? Is the wrong info about a date? A scheduled timetable? The habits of someone? What will be the weather like the next weekend?
Was the someone in charge of contraddicting her? A public officer? An authority? An expert in the field? The one who they were talking about ?

To be sure...the mistake does not involve grammar, but a part of a sentence that was conceptually wrong right? I mean are not the exact words wrong, but what she said in the whole right?
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Balin » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:34 am

someone correcting Maya = someone present at the time of the conversation? Someone famous? Someone related to them? A friend? A relative (mum/dad...) of one of the two? Someone = a HAF? A HAM? Everything about the person who eventually corrects Maya, except that it is probably a HAF
Is the conversation about something she heared on the news? No, but this is OTRT Something she red somewhere (book? Billboard?...)? No Is the wrong info about a date? A scheduled timetable? The habits of someone? What will be the weather like the next weekend? No to all
Was the someone in charge of contraddicting her? A public officer? An authority? An expert in the field? The one who they were talking about ? No to all

To be sure...the mistake does not involve grammar, but a part of a sentence that was conceptually wrong right? No, see below I mean are not the exact words wrong, but what she said in the whole right? Actually, her mistake was indeed misusing one word in the sentence
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby trebor » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:04 am

Is the topic of conversation relevant?

Just to clear up the one answer in your previous post, “Everything about the person who eventually corrects Maya, except that it is probably a HAF” is false? True? The person is famous? And a relative? Is Maya being interviewed?
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Earnest » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:29 am

Is the conversation about something she heared on the news?  -----> is it about something that Maya heared from a third party? Newspaper? On the internet? Is it about politics? History? Science? Geography? Math? Sport? Taxes?
Is what she heared available to the public? Are there different sources to know it? If so are the sources all objective? Did C also heared the info? If so from a different source? A more reliable one? Is it something that C should keep secret due to his work? (E.g. he made the election worker and M told him about the polls)?

Is the misused word a technical word? In general? In that context? E.g. "offside"?

The reason why C did not want to contradict her: for the respect of the someone who has to contraduct M? Because the someone want to make a surprise to M? Because he wanted to with the help of the someone? Is M making a guess?
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby GalFisk » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:53 am

Did he avoid correcting her in order to: harm her? Help her? Help himself? Harm himself? Avoid harm to her? To himself? Harm their relationship? Help their relationship? Avoid harming it?
Would she be more receptive to the correction if someone else made it?
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Balin » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:40 pm

Is the topic of conversation relevant? Yes

Just to clear up the one answer in your previous post, “Everything about the person who eventually corrects Maya is Irrelevant, except that it is probably a HAF"
The person is famous? No And a relative? Not necessarily Is Maya being interviewed? No

Is the conversation about something she heared on the news? -----> is it about something that Maya heared from a third party? Newspaper? On the internet? Is it about politics? History? Science? Geography? Math? Sport? Taxes?
Is what she heared available to the public? Are there different sources to know it? If so are the sources all objective? Did C also heared the info? If so from a different source? A more reliable one? Is it something that C should keep secret due to his work? (E.g. he made the election worker and M told him about the polls)?

Is the misused word a technical word? I wouldn't call it "technical" In general? In that context? E.g. "offside"? No

The reason why C did not want to contradict her: for the respect of the someone who has to contraduct M? Because the someone want to make a surprise to M? Because he wanted to with the help of the someone? Is M making a guess? None of these, but see below

Did he avoid correcting her in order to: harm her? Help her? Help himself? Harm himself? Avoid harm to her? To himself? Harm their relationship? Help their relationship? Avoid harming it? This. Good q
Would she be more receptive to the correction if someone else made it? Yes
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby GalFisk » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:54 am

Relevant who made the correction? Has he relevantly corrected her before? Has he relevantly been wrong? Are their relative levels of knowledge relevant?
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Balin » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:44 pm

Relevant who made the correction? No Has he relevantly corrected her before? No, but quite possible Has he relevantly been wrong? No (irrel) Are their relative levels of knowledge relevant? Overall? No
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Earnest » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:45 am

I did not quite understand the "avoid harming it"...it = the topic? So had he corrected her immediately, the "topic" would have been harmed? So is the topic a person? A HAF? An animal? Another living entity?
Or "it" = their relationship?

Is it something about how to feed an animal? How to cure a disease? How to fix/repair something?
Is it somethiing about Maya herself? About her beauty? About her appearence? Are weddings relevant? Babies? About something that Maya liked very much? A surprise he wanted to make her (so that had he corrected her in that moment there would not have been any surprise anymore)?
Is the HAF that is going to correct Maya her mum?

Wrong info = about food? About beauty? About travels? About shopping? About weddings? About an hobby?
About clothing? About the way she behaves with C? Is C not considered by M an objective source of correction because of their relationship? Or would C be considered a too severe source of correction by M?
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Balin » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:14 pm

I did not quite understand the "avoid harming it"...it = the topic? No So had he corrected her immediately, the "topic" would have been harmed? No So is the topic a person? Yes A HAF? HAM An animal? Another living entity?
Or "it" = their relationship? Yes

Is it something about how to feed an animal? How to cure a disease? How to fix/repair something? No to all
Is it somethiing about Maya herself? About her beauty? About her appearence? Are weddings relevant? Babies? About something that Maya liked very much? A surprise he wanted to make her (so that had he corrected her in that moment there would not have been any surprise anymore)? No to all
Is the HAF that is going to correct Maya her mum? It is not relevant who eventually corrects Maya, except that it will probably be a woman

Wrong info = about food? About beauty? About travels? About shopping? About weddings? About an hobby?
About clothing? About the way she behaves with C? No to all
Is C not considered by M an objective source of correction because of their relationship? Or would C be considered a too severe source of correction by M? Neither
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Doriana » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:10 pm

Is the topic Calvin?
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Balin » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:24 pm

Is the topic Calvin? No
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Earnest » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:34 am

Does the HAM have a relevant relation with C or M? Is him the ex of M? Maya's brother? Maya's dad? Maya's boss? Someone that Maya loves? Someone that Maya hates?

Were they talking about the work of the HAM? About a relevant aspect of his life? Was him famous? Is the wrong info about: his work? His social status? His marital status? His age? His funeral? His phone number?
Did C receive a message from him?

Does the someone correcting M need to be a woman because women are supposed not to have "sexual" attraction toward Maya? Because a woman was supposed to be engaged with the HAM? Had C correct her immediately, would he have been perceived as jealous by M? Would C have said something negative toward the HAM? Something that would have reveed something else?

WAG --> did C receive a phone call by the HAM which he saved with an ambiguous nickname on the telephone book? If so did Maya saw it and suspect about C who did not deny it otherwise Maya would have checked all his messages discovering that he was actually betraying her?
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Balin » Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:28 pm

Does the HAM have a relevant relation with C or M? He knows Maya, but does not know Calvin
Is him the ex of M? Maya's brother? Maya's dad? Maya's boss? Close - Maya's coworker Someone that Maya loves? Someone that Maya hates? "Hates" may be too strong, but Maya does not like the coworker. No to rest

Were they talking about the work of the HAM? Yes, and about Maya About a relevant aspect of his life? No Was him famous? No Is the wrong info about: his work? Yes, a certain aspect of his and Maya's work His social status? His marital status? His age? His funeral? His phone number? No to rest
Did C receive a message from him? No

Does the someone correcting M need to be a woman because women are supposed not to have "sexual" attraction toward Maya? No Because a woman was supposed to be engaged with the HAM? No Had C correct her immediately, would he have been perceived as jealous by M? No Would C have said something negative toward the HAM? No Something that would have reveed something else? No

WAG --> did C receive a phone call by the HAM which he saved with an ambiguous nickname on the telephone book? If so did Maya saw it and suspect about C who did not deny it otherwise Maya would have checked all his messages discovering that he was actually betraying her? No, but a very nice (and lateral) guess
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Earnest » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:18 am

Is the HAF one of their customers? Could C have been a customer of M and the HAM? Does M dislike her co-worker since, in her opinion, he makes mistakes in his job? Is that specific aspect of their job which they are discussing about reflected in something visible and tangible at the time of the discussion? Into something that the HAF would have revealed? Is the HAF a generic customer? A generic HAF entertaining a professional relationship with M? With the HAM? With both? A generic HAF satisfied by the job of the HAM? More satisfied of his job than Maya's one? Did C know this in advance? Are advancement in carreer relevant? Something like Maya expected an advancement in carreer which would have boost her wage a lot but C who managed the house finances knew that her wage stayed the same?
Would an immediate contradiction imply that the HAM is better than M in that aspect of the job? Is as good as M? Is not as bad as M thought? Has an advantage that M did not have? If the latter, due to her relation with C? Could C have inferred this at the time of the discussion? Will the contradiction of M by the HAF end up with something positive for M? Would an imediate contradiction have revealed to M that C knew infos that she supposed he does not know?

Is their work related to: food? Clothing? Aesthetic and physical appearence? Style? Bank? Finance? Sport? Video making? News? Internet? Technology? Medicine? Health care and hygene? Tv? Media? Art?

So I had this WAG which is uncorrect but funny --> I was thinking that Maya was a news reporter and his co-worker the camera man which was in charge of filming her. Maya complained about the fact that he does not document properly their travels and Calvin waited until the scenes were published on local TV which was a success. Hence the HAF would have been Maya herself.
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Balin » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:38 pm

Is the HAF one of their customers? Irrel
Could C have been a customer of M and the HAM? No Does M dislike her co-worker since, in her opinion, he makes mistakes in his job? No Is that specific aspect of their job which they are discussing about reflected in something visible and tangible at the time of the discussion? Yope, but don't delve too deeply into the specific tasks of the job Into something that the HAF would have revealed? No
Is the HAF a generic customer? Irrel A generic HAF entertaining a professional relationship with M? With the HAM? With both? A generic HAF satisfied by the job of the HAM? More satisfied of his job than Maya's one? All irrel
Did C know this in advance? No/Irrel Are advancement in carreer relevant? No Something like Maya expected an advancement in carreer which would have boost her wage a lot but C who managed the house finances knew that her wage stayed the same? No
Would an immediate contradiction imply that the HAM is better than M in that aspect of the job? Is as good as M? Is not as bad as M thought? Has an advantage that M did not have? If the latter, due to her relation with C? Could C have inferred this at the time of the discussion? No to all
Will the contradiction of M by the HAF end up with something positive for M? Only her corrected mistake Would an imediate contradiction have revealed to M that C knew infos that she supposed he does not know? No

Is their work related to: food? Clothing? Aesthetic and physical appearence? Style? Bank? Finance? Sport? Video making? News? Internet? Technology? Medicine? Health care and hygene? Tv? Media? Art? Irrel

So I had this WAG which is uncorrect but funny --> I was thinking that Maya was a news reporter and his co-worker the camera man which was in charge of filming her. Maya complained about the fact that he does not document properly their travels and Calvin waited until the scenes were published on local TV which was a success. Hence the HAF would have been Maya herself. I like this scenario, but it's not right. Very clever though.
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Earnest » Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:39 am

Let's start from the basic: I am assuming modern times in a not specified city of EU or US. Moreover I am assuming that M and the co-worker work at the same place of work ib tge same town/city. Am I right?

Is it relevant the amount of time spend doing the job? Could the job be made from home? The amount of time to reach the place of work? Amount of time spend on the social media/generic distractions? Style/clothing/dressing code at the place of work relevant? Ethical code? Misconduct/mistakes? Delays? Holidays? Maternity? Amount of free time? Ability in counting? In accounting? Are relocations relevant? Are money/wage? Are workers rights relevant? Women rights?

Can we assume that Calvin is completely ignorant about that aspect of M's job? If not, did he know a particular habit of her that contradicts what she is saying? Is she making a comparison between herself and the HAM? Is she criticizing the HAM?
Is the result of the activity of M and the HAM evident to the public? To Calvin? Are newspapers relevant at all?
Could C correction result in something misogynus? In something harmful for the relationship because it would have: offended M? Offended her efforts at work? Subtract free time to them? Influenced their sexual habits? Kept them separate for a long time? Or maybe are they already separate (they are skype calling)?


 It is not relevant who eventually corrects Maya, except that it will probably be a woman -----> is this because only a woman and C could have been aware of the wrongly reported info? Are female dressing/locker rooms relevant? Female bathrooms? Or is it because just a woman could have been aware of the wrong info having slept with the HAM/having been involved in a relationship with him (and C being a HAM as well)? Is always staying sit whenever something happens relevant? XD
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Balin » Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:57 pm

Let's start from the basic: I am assuming modern times in a not specified city of EU or US. Moreover I am assuming that M and the co-worker work at the same place of work ib tge same town/city. Am I right? Right

Is it relevant the amount of time spend doing the job? No Could the job be made from home? Irrel The amount of time to reach the place of work? Irrel Amount of time spend on the social media/generic distractions? Irrel
Style/clothing/dressing code at the place of work relevant? Ethical code? Yope, rest are Irrel Misconduct/mistakes? Delays? Holidays? Maternity? Amount of free time? Ability in counting? In accounting? Are relocations relevant? Are money/wage? Are workers rights relevant? Women rights?

Can we assume that Calvin is completely ignorant about that aspect of M's job? No If not, did he know a particular habit of her that contradicts what she is saying? No Is she making a comparison between herself and the HAM? No Is she criticizing the HAM? Yes
Is the result of the activity of M and the HAM evident to the public? No To Calvin? Probably Are newspapers relevant at all? No
Could C correction result in something misogynus? YES, or it could be interpreted as such In something harmful for the relationship because it would have: offended M? Yes Offended her efforts at work? Subtract free time to them? Influenced their sexual habits? Kept them separate for a long time? Or maybe are they already separate (they are skype calling)? No to rest


It is not relevant who eventually corrects Maya, except that it will probably be a woman -----> is this because only a woman and C could have been aware of the wrongly reported info? Are female dressing/locker rooms relevant? Female bathrooms? Or is it because just a woman could have been aware of the wrong info having slept with the HAM/having been involved in a relationship with him (and C being a HAM as well)? Is always staying sit whenever something happens relevant? XD No to all
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Earnest » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:19 am

Could C correction result in something misogynus --> does it involve "the role" of the woman? Clothing code? Time spend in bathroom by women? Are behaviors by HAM relevant? Cleaning up relevant? Is "free time with collegues" relevant? Things that are considered "just for males" like watching a football match with a beer?
Something allowed to men but not to women?
Maybe their boss was a female? (And HAM was attractive...) the fact that M is allowed to leace earlier to take her of the family? Timetable relevant? Turns? Pauses? Driving the firm's car?

Is the info wrong in that the reality is more misogynus?

Does the correction end up with somethibg misogynus in general or just in that context (e.g. M told C that the HAM said her that women do not understand anything about footbal; she then informed herself about the last matches but due to her igborance of the sport she misreported info to C)? Is the correction about something that women are considered not to know by men? Is the info objectively wrong: like she wrongly named a piece of engine with the name of another one?...
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Balin » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:57 pm

Could C correction result in something misogynus --> does it involve "the role" of the woman? Clothing code? Time spend in bathroom by women? Are behaviors by HAM relevant? This; No to rest Cleaning up relevant? Is "free time with collegues" relevant? Things that are considered "just for males" like watching a football match with a beer?
Something allowed to men but not to women? No
Maybe their boss was a female? (And HAM was attractive...) the fact that M is allowed to leace earlier to take her of the family? Timetable relevant? Turns? Pauses? Driving the firm's car? All No/Irrel

Is the info wrong in that the reality is more misogynus? No

Does the correction end up with somethibg misogynus in general or just in that context I think the latter (e.g. M told C that the HAM said her that women do not understand anything about footbal; she then informed herself about the last matches but due to her igborance of the sport she misreported info to C)? But not this Is the correction about something that women are considered not to know by men? Not quite, but this is VERY OTRT Is the info objectively wrong: Yes like she wrongly named a piece of engine with the name of another one?... No
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Earnest » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:36 pm

Giving confidence relevant? Do something instead of M?
Engines/mechanics relevant? Driving relevant? Does HAM perceive his behavior as misogynus? Do other female collegues? Do other male collegues? Is interrupting or always correcting M the behavior? Is it something related to chatting/talking habits of Maya? Did HAM behave the same with men? Listening when she is talking?

Can the wrongness of the info (and its correction) be perceived as a confirmation of the "necessity" of HAM's behavior?

WAG--> is the behavior: not listening to her when she is talking because she is used to chat a lot and maybe she asked C wheather he was listening to her?
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Balin » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:07 pm

Giving confidence relevant? Do something instead of M? No
Engines/mechanics relevant? Driving relevant? Does HAM perceive his behavior as misogynus? Do other female collegues? Maya does Do other male collegues? Is interrupting or always correcting M the behavior? No, but you're OTRT Is it something related to chatting/talking habits of Maya? Did HAM behave the same with men? Listening when she is talking? Irrel to rest

Can the wrongness of the info (and its correction) be perceived as a confirmation of the "necessity" of HAM's behavior? No

WAG--> is the behavior: not listening to her when she is talking because she is used to chat a lot and maybe she asked C wheather he was listening to her? No
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Earnest » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:26 am

Is smoking relevant? Is she pointing out that women do never adopt that behavior toward men or other women (while i stead she behaved like that with C or with the HAM)? Something like talking behind? Talking about her in third person when she is indeed present? Talking in her behalf ? Talking in its place when asked? Assuming responsibilities for her mistakes (as if he was her boss)? Lunch time relevant? Answering to the phone instead of her? Listening to her talks at the phone? (E.g. to control her) Controlling her somehow? (Control whether she was doing any mistake)? Technology relevant?

Did she claim that C never did an action toward her that instead the HAM made when instead C used to behave the same way sometimes? Did she claim that nobody behave like that with women when instead it is not (above all in relationships)?
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Balin » Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:26 pm

Is smoking relevant? Is she pointing out that women do never adopt that behavior toward men or other women (while i stead she behaved like that with C or with the HAM)? Something like talking behind? Talking about her in third person when she is indeed present? Talking in her behalf ? Talking in its place when asked? Assuming responsibilities for her mistakes (as if he was her boss)? No to all, but this is OTRT Lunch time relevant? Answering to the phone instead of her? Listening to her talks at the phone? (E.g. to control her) Controlling her somehow? (Control whether she was doing any mistake)? Technology relevant?

Did she claim that C never did an action toward her that instead the HAM made when instead C used to behave the same way sometimes? No Did she claim that nobody behave like that with women when instead it is not (above all in relationships)? No
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Earnest » Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:04 pm

As you can see I am not expert in mysoginus behaviors fortunately xD...

Assuming she is distracting male clients? Male collegues? Not allowing Maya to do something? To end sentences? To count money? To receive payments? Asking her to make the coffee? Not allowing her to pay meals? To offer meals? Really don't know...I end up my inventory of mysoginus behaviors xD

Had Maya some disturb? Was Maya effectively not capable in doing something? Is the info wrong because the behavior was not misogynus? If so was it needed in order to correct Maya? To prevent Maya from doing a mistake?
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Balin » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:21 am

As you can see I am not expert in mysoginus behaviors fortunately xD...

Assuming she is distracting male clients? Male collegues? Not allowing Maya to do something? To end sentences? To count money? To receive payments? Asking her to make the coffee? Not allowing her to pay meals? To offer meals? Really don't know...I end up my inventory of mysoginus behaviors xD No/irrel to all

Had Maya some disturb? No Was Maya effectively not capable in doing something? No Is the info wrong because the behavior was not misogynus? YES If so was it needed in order to correct Maya? Not sure what you mean here To prevent Maya from doing a mistake? No
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Earnest » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:40 am

So assuming responsibilities in her place; interrupting her; and correcting her for something that men pretend to know better than women are OTRT...
Did the HAM perform a task to help her? Is weight relevant (taking something heavy...)? For instance bringing something heavy to the boss in her place? Are relationships with superiors relevant? With customers? Is it something common to all works? To all works in which a certain task needs to be performed? Office works? Open air works? Mainly blue collar works? Pink collar? White collar?

What do men pretend to know better than women: carry weights (is it correct?) ? Mechanics? Electronics? Wohld C have adopted the same behavior were he in the HAM's shoes? Is the behavior recursive? Did it happen only once? Is doing something without the permission to do it relevant? Stay longer at the office? Keep something on his half of the desk (e.g. they had a TV or a stereo in the office and the HAM had the remote controller always in his half of the desk, which she interpreted as somethibg like "males have better tastes than women"?)
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Balin » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:30 pm

So assuming responsibilities in her place; interrupting her; and correcting her for something that men pretend to know better than women are OTRT... Yes, but notice the capital YES in the prior set of answers
Did the HAM perform a task to help her? Is weight relevant (taking something heavy...)? For instance bringing something heavy to the boss in her place? Are relationships with superiors relevant? With customers? No to all Is it something common to all works? It's something that could be done in any job To all works in which a certain task needs to be performed? Office works? Open air works? Mainly blue collar works? Pink collar? White collar?

What do men pretend to know better than women This is VERY close! carry weights (is it correct?) ? Mechanics? Electronics? Irrel Wohld C have adopted the same behavior were he in the HAM's shoes? No Is the behavior recursive? Did it happen only once? Multiple times Is doing something without the permission to do it relevant? Stay longer at the office? Keep something on his half of the desk (e.g. they had a TV or a stereo in the office and the HAM had the remote controller always in his half of the desk, which she interpreted as somethibg like "males have better tastes than women"?)

I'm going to clear out the clutter because you're actually very close to having solved this:
Maya incorrectly described her coworker's behavior as "mansplaining," which it wasn't. The coworker's exact behavior is irrelevant.
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Earnest » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:38 pm

So was it evident to C that it was not? And maybe by interrupting her and correcting her she would have said that he himself was mansplaining?
Relevant why the behavior cannot be classified as mansplaining? Is it evident to C? To anyone? Maybe because also HAF performed the same behavior? Toward C?
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain

Postby Balin » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:08 pm

So was it evident to C that it was not? Yes And maybe by interrupting her and correcting her she would have said that he himself was mansplaining? Right on.

****SPOILER****

Maya has a coworker who keeps sloughing off his tasks to her. When venting about this to Calvin, her husband, she describes the behavior as "mansplaining." Calvin knows this doesn't fall under the definition of mansplaining, but doesn't correct Maya, worrying she'll interpret his correction as "mansplaining."

Nice job Earnest for working through all this for the entire second half of the puzzle!
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Re: [Balin] The brain in Spain (*IT'S PLAIN*)

Postby Earnest » Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:15 am

Many thanks for the puzzle Balin. I did not manage to make it quikier but I really enjoyned it!
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