[peter365] Numbering the Monkeys (Red Carded)

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[peter365] Numbering the Monkeys (Red Carded)

Postby peter365 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:05 pm

A quickie no doubt

A man is supposed to ask someone to pick one of two things, he instead asks them to pick one of three. This lands him in trouble and provokes outrage and mirth in equal measure.


What's going on ?


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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby Doriana » Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:18 pm

A man = H/A/M, I assume?
someone = H/A/M? H/A/F?

Are the two things two tangible objects? Or more like two options/outcomes, e.g. "yes" and "no"?

Does the man do this as part of his job?
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby peter365 » Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:31 am

Doriana

A man = H/A/M, I assume? Absolutely
someone = H/A/M? H/A/F? HAF , he actually asks two people to pick one of three things and they're both female, it's somewhat but not overly relevant

Are the two things two tangible objects? Surprisingly difficult to answer so I have to say Yope Or more like two options/outcomes, e.g. "yes" and "no"? Yesish
Does the man do this as part of his job? Yes
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby Balin » Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:29 pm

Are the women customers? Clients? Coworkers? Above or below him in rank?
Are the "things" potential outcomes of some sort?
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby peter365 » Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:11 am

Balin

Are the women customers? No Clients? No Coworkers? No Above or below him in rank? neither
Are the "things" potential outcomes of some sort? yes
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby wolfier » Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:52 am

Is politics involved?
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby peter365 » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:16 am

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Is politics involved? 'fraid not
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby irishelk » Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:49 pm

Is the man entertaining anyone? Instructing anyone? If so, are the women members of his audience?
Is he selling something? Performing an experiment? Taking a survey?

Does his giving them a choice of three things seem to imply something about the women? Or that he thinks something about them? Does he give them a choice between the two things he is supposed to, plus a third thing? If so, is the third thing in the same realm as the first two? Is it obscene?

Does he misspeak? And/or do the women misunderstand his meaning?
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby peter365 » Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:34 pm

IrishElk

Is the man entertaining anyone? No Instructing anyone? no If so, are the women members of his audience? So no
Is he selling something? Performing an experiment? Taking a survey? None of these things

Does his giving them a choice of three things seem to imply something about the women? it was certainly intrepreted that way by some who were outraged (very unfairly in my opinion) Or that he thinks something about them? Same answer as above Does he give them a choice between the two things he is supposed to, plus a third thing? No, good question If so, is the third thing in the same realm as the first two? This is very very difficult to answer I'd say yes but this does have the potential to seriously mislead. Is it obscene? No

Does he misspeak? And/or do the women misunderstand his meaning? No to both
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby Balin » Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:12 pm

Does he ask this in person? Over the phone? Via a letter? Via email?
Is he the only one asking someone to pick? Is the woman the only one being asked to pick?
Is he selling anything?
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby peter365 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:39 am

Balin

Does he ask this in person? This Over the phone? Via a letter? Via email?
Is he the only one asking someone to pick? Yes Is the woman the only one being asked to pick? No there is one other being asked. Had he been asking for the choice of two things he would have only asked one woman
Is he selling anything? No
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby Balin » Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:54 pm

So the other selector is also a woman?
Does he know either woman outside of this questioning?
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby irishelk » Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:54 pm

Are the two things he was supposed to ask about actions/verbs? Are the three things? I.e. "would you rather do X, Y or Z?"

Are the things being chosen between people? Or do they each involve a person/people (e.g. a body part, a person's voice, "would you rather go on a date with...")? Do they involve the man and the two women (e.g. "Do you prefer your own shoes, hers or mine")?
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby peter365 » Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:21 am

Balin

So the other selector is also a woman? Yes
Does he know either woman outside of this questioning? I'd say he does but it's not really relevant
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby peter365 » Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:25 am

IrishElk

Are the two things he was supposed to ask about actions/verbs? No Are the three things? No I.e. "would you rather do X, Y or Z?" So no to this too

Are the things being chosen between people? Can you clarify what you mean here? Or do they each involve a person/people (e.g. a body part, a person's voice, "would you rather go on a date with...")? Nothing like that Do they involve the man and the two women (e.g. "Do you prefer your own shoes, hers or mine")? No
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby Balin » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:35 am

Does he work in the service industry? Serving food? Drinks?
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby GalFisk » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:07 am

Is he asking them to pick one of three people? Relationships ships relevant? Is he inserting himself into a choice where he should not be a part?
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Postby peter365 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:14 am

Balin

Does he work in the service industry? Serving food? Drinks? No to all
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby peter365 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:15 am

Galfisk

Is he asking them to pick one of three people? No Relationships ships relevant? No Is he inserting himself into a choice where he should not be a part? and no again I'm afraid.
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby GalFisk » Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:28 pm

Are they picking: things? Opinions? Teams? Actions? Fruit? Teeth? Is the Monty Hall problem relevant?
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby peter365 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:18 am

Galfisk

Are they picking: things? Yes but not a physical manifestation of things Opinions? no with a tiny 'ish Teams? No Actions? No Fruit? No Teeth? No Is the Monty Hall problem relevant? No but I've always likes this.


Stick with this guys , I think it's a good one and I've phrased it quite laterally .
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby Balin » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:25 pm

Are the women related to him? Are they his friends? Complete strangers? Mortal enemies?
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby GalFisk » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:01 am

Are they stating a preference? Picking something at random? Making a choice? Choosing a value? Coin toss relevant?
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby peter365 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:05 pm

Balin

Are the women related to him? No Are they his friends? No Complete strangers? Probably not complete strangers but he doesn't them personally and it's not overly relevant Mortal enemies? No
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby irishelk » Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:01 pm

Missed Galfisk's questions =)

Are any of their professions relevant? Do they all relevantly work in the same field? Are they discussing an academic subject? Sports? Something holiday-related?

Do the women gain anything from making this choice? Will they, in any sense, get the thing they pick?

When he is supposed to ask them to chose between two things, have they already been talking? Would they immediately understand why he is asking this? Is it a common phrase he would have said? Would it have been a "would you rather" question? Or "do you prefer"? "Would you like"? "Pick one of the following"?
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby peter365 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:39 am

Galfisk

Are they stating a preference? Picking something at random? Making a choice? Choosing a value? See next answer Coin toss relevant? Yes very well done!
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby peter365 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:42 am

IrishElk

Missed Galfisk's questions =) Trust me to miss the most pertinent set of questions thus far.

Are any of their professions relevant? Yes Do they all relevantly work in the same field? Yes in more ways than one !Are they discussing an academic subject? Sports? Yes Something holiday-related?

Do the women gain anything from making this choice? Yes Will they, in any sense, get the thing they pick? No

When he is supposed to ask them to chose between two things, have they already been talking? Would they immediately understand why he is asking this? Is it a common phrase he would have said? Yes to all Would it have been a "would you rather" question? Or "do you prefer"? "Would you like"? "Pick one of the following"? He may have said some of these but as you now know there's a specific phrase
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby Balin » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:58 pm

Is he supposed to ask them to pick heads or tails? Does he add a third option to that? "Edge"?
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby peter365 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:05 pm

Balin

Is he supposed to ask them to pick heads or tails? Yes Does he add a third option to that? No "Edge"? so no to this as well
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby Enjay » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:25 pm

Is heads one of the options he gives them? Tails? Is the third option something to do with how a coin lands? Is the choice he actually gives them to do with whether to flip a coin at all? Does he pick something else instead of a coin toss? Something that has three potential outcomes?

Does the coin toss relate to further outcomes (eg heads means x happens/you get x, tails means y happens/you get y?) Does the man actually intend to flip a coin? Is he supposed to?
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby Balin » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:05 pm

Are the three options he asks them to bick: rock, paper, or scissors?
Is he officiating a match? And he's supposed to toss a coin? But he has them play rock-paper-scissors instead?
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby peter365 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:17 am

Enjay

Is heads one of the options he gives them? Tails? No to both Is the third option something to do with how a coin lands? No Is the choice he actually gives them to do with whether to flip a coin at all? No Does he pick something else instead of a coin toss? Yes Something that has three potential outcomes? Yes

Does the coin toss relate to further outcomes (eg heads means x happens/you get x, tails means y happens/you get y?) Does the man actually intend to flip a coin? No Is he supposed to? Yes
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys

Postby peter365 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:29 am

Balin

Are the three options he asks them to bick: rock, paper, or scissors? Yes
Is he officiating a match? And he's supposed to toss a coin? But he has them play rock-paper-scissors instead? Spot on and that means it's time for the


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This is a true story and happened just a few weeks ago. A referee at a football (soccer) match realised too late that he had forgotten to bring a coin for the pre-match coin toss. He improvised and had the opposing captains play Rock Paper Scissors to decide who kicked off and from what end. This seems like a fairly harmless funny story but it was a ladies soccer match and some people feel that had it been a men's match then this wouldn't have occurred. There actually have been similar incidents in the mens game.

The ref has been accused of making a mockery of the ladies game and looks set to face some punishment from the sports governing body.

Personally I feel that's a bit harsh, but it's a sad truth about the world we live in that even with a humerous light hearted situation like this there will always be a few outraged people. Most of the lady footballers I've heard interviewed about this weren't annoyed in the slightest but there's plenty who are on their behalf.

Well done Balin for the solve, Galfisk for the breakthrough and thanks to the rest of you for playing.
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys (Red Carded)

Postby irishelk » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:17 am

Good one!
Honestly, it just reflects poorly on the male referee. You had one job...
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys (Red Carded)

Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:58 pm

What a great idea! It would be cool to see similar "atypical" ways of deciding. I could understand if one's winning the choice of side is intended to depend entirely on luck, because it is possible to be skilled at rock-paper-scissors.
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys (Red Carded)

Postby peter365 » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:39 pm

The football podcast that i listen to did invite alternative ways to decide the kick off. My two favs were a Christmas Cracker pull and a Wishbone duel .
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Re: [peter365] Numbering the Monkeys (Red Carded)

Postby Balin » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:11 pm

As for the "outrage and mirth" spectrum, I land squarely on the "mirth" side. That's hilarious.
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