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[Hobbsicle] I've Got Another Puzzle

Postby Hobbsicle » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:26 pm

Chuck, an employee at a factory, is asked one day to paint the exterior of a conveyor belt. He does this, and does it well, but he begins to paint a little further down the line than he was asked to. Although it looks fine, and doesn't change the functionality in any way, his boss, Bill, sees what is being done, angrily demands that he stop, and immediately begins destroying some of the product, even though there is nothing wrong with it. Why?
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Postby Earnest » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:13 pm

Conveyor belt as an escalator? A tapit roulant? Are gyms involved? Are luggages? Airports? Was the belt meant to transport something? Did the painted belt look like some other belts present in the surroundings? Was it painted in a public building? Are geaffiti relevant?

Was the belt meant to transport the products of the firm? Relevant which products? Was him asked to paint it for security reasons? Did he paint it on a wall? On another engine? On a glass? Relevant the material used to paint?

Did the employer stopped him thinking he was trying to avoid doing another job?

he begins to paint a little further down the line  --> did he need to respect certain measures? Is food involved? Is fresh paint a concern? Are chemical subsrances? Could it create confusion for other employees? A little = a meter? Less than a millimiter? Less than a centimeter?
Is the "surplus" part a concern? Could it be a sign? Could it signal the presence of something?

Relevant the reason why he was asked to paint the belt?
To cover something? To renovate an existing painting?
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Postby trebor » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:58 pm

Is it relevant what is being produced in the factory? Is it relevant why Chuck painted further than he was supposed to? Did he misunderstand the instructions? To frustrate his boss? To make something safer? More dangerous? Was his intent to be malicious? To follow orders? To be helpful? To increase productivity?

He “begins to paint” a little further down the line, as in the place he commenced painting is outside of the area he was asked to paint? He paints the requested area and then continues, beginning to paint where he wasn’t asked to? Relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:23 am

Does this take place in a chocolate factory?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] I've Got Another Puzzle

Postby Hobbsicle » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:22 pm

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Conveyor belt as an escalator? A tapit roulant? Are gyms involved? Are luggages? Airports? No to these
Was the belt meant to transport something? Yes
Did the painted belt look like some other belts present in the surroundings? No
Was it painted in a public building? No
Are geaffiti relevant? No

Was the belt meant to transport the products of the firm? Yes Relevant which products? Only relevant what kinds of products they sell, not really which ones would be used with that particular belt Was him asked to paint it for security reasons? assume no
Did he paint it on a wall? On another engine? On a glass? Not entirely sure I understand these questions, but assume he was painting the exterior of the conveyor belt assembly (as opposed to the belt itself)
Relevant the material used to paint? No

Did the employer stopped him thinking he was trying to avoid doing another job? No

he begins to paint a little further down the line --> did he need to respect certain measures? Sort of, yes Is food involved? Yes Is fresh paint a concern? Yes Are chemical subsrances? yesish
Could it create confusion for other employees? No
A little = a meter? Less than a millimiter? Less than a centimeter? Assume a meter or more
Is the "surplus" part a concern? yope
Could it be a sign? Could it signal the presence of something? No to these

Relevant the reason why he was asked to paint the belt? Not really
To cover something? To renovate an existing painting? Assume this

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Is it relevant what is being produced in the factory? Yes
Is it relevant why Chuck painted further than he was supposed to? Not really Did he misunderstand the instructions? Probably some of this... To frustrate his boss? To make something safer? More dangerous? Was his intent to be malicious? To follow orders? To be helpful? And this To increase productivity?

He “begins to paint” a little further down the line, as in the place he commenced painting is outside of the area he was asked to paint? Correct He paints the requested area and then continues, beginning to paint where he wasn’t asked to? Yes Relevant? Not relevant whether he finished the previous job, only relevant that he is now painting outside the initial requested area

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Does this take place in a chocolate factory? Indeed (Can’t slip anything past you!)
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Postby trebor » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:17 am

I’ve never read the book and it’s been years since I’ve seen the movies. Would remembering anything about them $poyle the puzzle?
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Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:01 am

I’ve never read the book and it’s been years since I’ve seen the movies. Would remembering anything about them $poyle the puzzle? No, this actually has nothing to do with any of that, I just dropped a couple of clues that referenced it because it takes place in a chocolate factory. This is based on a true story, actually.
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Postby Earnest » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:25 am

Was the fabric meant to be visited? Is the exterior part mainly decorative? Did it relevantly resembled something? Is the belt meant to transport chocolate in a relevant phase of production? Liquid chocolate? Solid? Are packages relevant? Was there a relevant button in the "surplus" meter? Something that needed to be handled by workers? If so did he paint it? Does fresh paint strain on something? Relevant the color of the paint? Brown? Relevant the type of chocolate produced there? Milk choco? Was it necessary for employees to see the color/quality of what was transported in the belt? Relevant? Was "the surplus meter" of painting located in a crtitical part of production? For instance where chocolate moved from the belt to another machinary?

Optical illusions relevant? Did the paint made appear the belt longer than it was? Was it a concern? Are umpa lumpa relevant xD? Can we assume the painting was done with regular paint?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:46 pm

Was Bill correct to reprimand Bill? To destroy the product?

Was the chocolate actually defective? The packages? Did the conveyor belt split at this point? Was the chocolate supposed to be collected by other employees? Another ingredient added? Quality Control relevant?
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:00 pm

Is the belt in use while he's painting? Type of paint relevant? Method of application? If so: brush? Roller? Spray? Is there a danger of contamination to the food? Is a rule being broken?
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Postby Hobbsicle » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:37 pm

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Was the fabric meant to be visited? I assume you mean factory? No
Is the exterior part mainly decorative? Yes, or nothing especially relevant about its intended purpose
Did it relevantly resembled something? No
Is the belt meant to transport chocolate in a relevant phase of production? Liquid chocolate? Solid? Irrel, assume solid
Are packages relevant? No
Was there a relevant button in the "surplus" meter? No Something that needed to be handled by workers? No-ish If so did he paint it?
Does fresh paint strain on something? No-ish
Relevant the color of the paint? No Brown?
Relevant the type of chocolate produced there? Milk choco? Probably many kinds, don't think it's relevant
Was it necessary for employees to see the color/quality of what was transported in the belt? Relevant? irrel
Was "the surplus meter" of painting located in a crtitical part of production? Yes!
For instance where chocolate moved from the belt to another machinary? Not this though

Optical illusions relevant? No Did the paint made appear the belt longer than it was? No Was it a concern?
Are umpa lumpa relevant xD? Always...but not in this puzzle
Can we assume the painting was done with regular paint? Yes

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Was Bill correct to reprimand Bill? Yes To destroy the product? Yes

Was the chocolate actually defective? Well, yes-ish, might be misleading The packages? No
Did the conveyor belt split at this point? Yes! (or at least it crossed a definite boundary) Was the chocolate supposed to be collected by other employees? No or irrel Another ingredient added? No Quality Control relevant? Not as a specific role, per se, but the quality of the product is relevant

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Is the belt in use while he's painting? Irrel Type of paint relevant? No (I mean, there might be some that wouldn't work for the puzzle, but I don't know much about that) Method of application? No If so: brush? Roller? Spray?
Is there a danger of contamination to the food? Yes! Very slight "ish", maybe Is a rule being broken? Perhaps, irrel whether it's a "rule", but he did go beyond the boundaries of his instructions, and those boundaries are relevant
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Postby trebor » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:45 pm

Would the food be contaminated by the paint? By a food item? Does he have to go through a sealed entryway to get to that part of the belt? Would it have been contaminated if he had just gone and touched both areas of the belt instead of painting them?
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Postby Earnest » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:16 am

Was it necessary to see the exact point in which the belt split itself? So was the risk that the two type of products mixed up? That some go on the wrong side of the belt?

Are chemicals in fresh paint relevant? Process of solidification of the paint relevant? Something like they could not wait for the paint to be dry? Are signals relevant? E.g. the paint covered the boundary once dry?
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:36 am

Relevant that he went outside the area? Into another area? Did he enter an area where certain clothing is required? Certain routines? Certain education or certification? An area where someone like him was not allowed to go?
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Postby Hobbsicle » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:36 am

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Would the food be contaminated by the paint? Yes-ish, or possibly, but not the food that was destroyed By a food item? No Does he have to go through a sealed entryway to get to that part of the belt? Yes, or another room anyway Would it have been contaminated if he had just gone and touched both areas of the belt instead of painting them? No

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Was it necessary to see the exact point in which the belt split itself? No So was the risk that the two type of products mixed up? That some go on the wrong side of the belt? No to both

Are chemicals in fresh paint relevant? Sort of, but you don't need to know anything specific about it other than common knowledge Process of solidification of the paint relevant? No Something like they could not wait for the paint to be dry? No Are signals relevant? No E.g. the paint covered the boundary once dry?

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Relevant that he went outside the area? Into another area? It is relevant that he was painting in a different area, but not just that he entered it Did he enter an area where certain clothing is required? No Certain routines? No-ish or somewhat irrel Certain education or certification? No An area where someone like him was not allowed to go? No, he could, and probably did, go there regularly.

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Because this one can seem a bit fiddly with details, I'll offer a recap with a few clarifications...

---------------RECAP------------------

Chuck is an employee in a chocolate factory, asked to paint the exterior portion of a conveyor belt assembly. The conveyor belt runs across multiple rooms (whether continuously or not is basically irrelevant), so when he is finished painting the belt in one room, he moves to the next room to continue painting, though he was not specifically asked to do so. He essentially did this either to be helpful, or just out of ignorance. When Bill saw that he was painting in the next room, he angrily demands that he stop, and immediately begins destroying some of the product, even though there is nothing wrong with it. There is a risk of the paint contaminating the chocolate, but what was destroyed was not in any danger of contamination.
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Postby trebor » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:01 am

Was the chocolate Bill destroyed in the area that Bob painted but wasn’t supposed to? About to pass through it? Had it passed through that area already? Same questions for the area that Bob was supposed to paint.
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Postby Hobbsicle » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:40 pm

Was the chocolate FA! Although I'm realizing there may have been a slight blooper in calling it "product" instead of "ingredient", but it's not far from being the product, I suppose... Bill destroyed in the area that Bob painted but wasn’t supposed to? Yes About to pass through it? Had it passed through that area already? Somewhat irrel, it was just in the general vicinity of the part he painted Same questions for the area that Bob was supposed to paint. No, the part he painted was fine, and no destruction happened there
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Postby trebor » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:49 pm

Peanuts/nuts relevant? Allergies?
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Postby Hobbsicle » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:57 pm

Peanuts/nuts relevant? Yes! Almonds in this case Allergies? But no
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Postby Balin » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:54 pm

Did the paint contain almonds (or traces of almonds)?
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Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:21 am

Did the paint contain almonds (or traces of almonds)? No
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Postby trebor » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:00 am

Had the almonds come into contact with the paint? Was the boss worried they would? Is it almonds in nut form we’re concerned with here? Almond paste/marzipan?

Is the colour of the paint relevant?
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Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:50 am

Had the almonds come into contact with the paint? No Was the boss worried they would? No Is it almonds in nut form we’re concerned with here? Yes Almond paste/marzipan? No

Is the colour of the paint relevant? No
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:23 am

Would the puzzle work with hazelnuts? Peanuts? Rules about food hygiene relevant?
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Postby Hobbsicle » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:26 am

Would the puzzle work with hazelnuts? Peanuts? Because this is a true story, I know that it was almonds, but I don’t know that it couldn’t be another type of nut. Peanuts don’t seem as likely. Hazelnuts, maybe. Rules about food hygiene relevant? No
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Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:36 pm

Are the containers of the candy relevant? Allergy warnings relevant? Would they be covered up, or fail to be printed? Other legalistic element or requirements relevant?
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Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:05 am

Are the containers of the candy relevant? No Allergy warnings relevant? No Would they be covered up, or fail to be printed? N/A
Other legalistic element or requirements relevant? No
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:08 pm

Chemicals in the paint relevant? MSDS (chemical safety info)? Was painting not allowed within a certain distance of the food?
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Postby Hobbsicle » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:52 pm

Chemicals in the paint relevant? Sort of, but not specifically, and might be misleading. There is a relevant attribute of paint that is relevant. MSDS (chemical safety info)? No Was painting not allowed within a certain distance of the food? Well, this may be true, but it's more than just a basic safety precaution that is relevant. The exact rules and regulations are irrelevant.
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:33 pm

Color of the paint relevant? Fumes? Smell? Drying time? Base (water, oil, other)? Protective properties?
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Postby Hobbsicle » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:40 am

Color of the paint relevant? Fumes? This... Smell? ...or this, nothing else Drying time? Base (water, oil, other)? Protective properties?
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Postby trebor » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:20 am

Does the paint smell like almonds? Does it cover up the smell of almonds? Is the boss worried that someone who has a severe almond allergy could unknowingly become exposed because they weren't aware almonds were in the room?

Is anyone relevantly visiting/touring the factory?
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Postby Hobbsicle » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:59 pm

Does the paint smell like almonds? No Does it cover up the smell of almonds? No... Is the boss worried that someone who has a severe almond allergy could unknowingly become exposed because they weren't aware almonds were in the room? No

Is anyone relevantly visiting/touring the factory? No
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:07 pm

Does the smell end up on the almonds? Or is there a danger that it might? Relevant what it smells like?
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Postby Hobbsicle » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:12 pm

Does the smell end up on the almonds? No Or is there a danger that it might? No Relevant what it smells like? No

Clarification: There is no threat to the almonds, however there is a threat to the chocolate. Yet, the almonds are destroyed, the chocolate is not.
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Postby Hobbsicle » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:19 am

I think this has gone on long enough.

***************SPOILER*****************

In this true story of my father, he was working a job at a chocolate factory, and was asked to paint the exterior of the conveyor belt in a particular room. He painted the belt in that room, and when he was finished, he decided to move on to the next room and begin painting there. This other room is where the vats of chocolate are kept. When the boss sees him doing this, he makes him stop, and he gathers some workers to pile up a heap of almonds and burn them. It turns out that chocolate is notorious about absorbing smells, and the smell of paint was likely to ruin the whole batch. But the smell of burning almonds is good for chocolate, so in destroying the almonds, they were saving the chocolate.


This one was a bit fiddly with all the details, and something tells me this wouldn't happen in the current day, but I enjoyed the story when my dad told it, and tried to make a puzzle about it.
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