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[WiZ] WALL-Et

Postby WiZ » Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:42 pm

How did a brother and sister losing their wallets lead a man from a distant city to give up his criminal ways?

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Re: [WiZ] WALL-Et

Postby Earnest » Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:10 pm

Did they lose the wallet the same day? Were they looking for them? If so together? Relevant the age of the two? Teens? Did the criminal find it? Give it back to them? Was the wallet in a public mean of trabsport? Was it in an airport? In a public place? Stealing identity relevant? Stealing wallets? Were the two related to the criminal? Were there documents inside the wallets? Money?

Criminal ways = drug traffic? Killing people? Theft? Minor crimes? Financial crimes? Others?


give up his criminal ways = forever? For a small period of time? Because he got caught? Because he voluntarily decided to give them up?
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Re: [WiZ] WALL-Et

Postby WiZ » Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:30 pm

Did they lose the wallet the same day? no Were they looking for them? yes If so together? no Relevant the age of the two? yes, broadly Teens? This is a possibility Did the criminal find it? yope Give it back to them? yope Was the wallet in a public mean of trabsport? no Was it in an airport? no In a public place? yes Stealing identity relevant? yes Stealing wallets? yes Were the two related to the criminal? no Were there documents inside the wallets? yope, Doyd of 'documents' Money? not relevantly

Criminal ways = drug traffic? Killing people? no to these Theft? yope Minor crimes? yes Financial crimes? potentially Others? yes


give up his criminal ways = forever? Probably not For a small period of time? yes Because he got caught? Because he voluntarily decided to give them up? Bit of both

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Re: [WiZ] WALL-Et

Postby Balin » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:22 am

Did the criminal know the brother and sister?
Was the criminal an identity thief? A wallet thief?
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Re: [WiZ] WALL-Et

Postby Earnest » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:18 am

Did the criminal pretend the two to be his children?
Relevant that the criminal was from a distant city? Are identity cards relevant? Is the fact that the teens were not adult relevant? Could it have worked were they in their adulthood (more than 21 aged)? Did the criminal pretend to be someone else? Was him asked to identify himself? Stealing identity = mainly on the internet? In real life? Relevant the age of the criminal?

Yope to "give it back to them" = did he steal something that was in inside of the wallets? Of one of the two? Did he find both wallets? Did he pretend/claim to have found them? Did he claim to have found one of them? Were there badges inside the wallets? Credit cards? Something giving access to an house? To a private place?

Was the criminal caught? If so had he got the wallets with him? Was his face noticed by a camera? Was him recognized? was him accused for having stolen identity? For other crimes? Did the criminal checked the identity of the owners of the wallets (or of the wallet if he found just one)? Did he find it in a supermarket? Was it announced to anyone who had found a wallet to bring it to the lost and found?

Was something relevant found inside the wallets that incriminated the crimal?
WAG --> he pretebded to be the dad of the two but they were actually orphans.
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Re: [WiZ] WALL-Et

Postby GalFisk » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:36 pm

Did the criminal get in trouble because he assumed the identity of someone who was in trouble?
Were both wallets missing during overlapping periods of time? Relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:24 pm

Balin

Did the criminal know the brother and sister? no
Was the criminal an identity thief? yes A wallet thief? no

Earnest

Did the criminal pretend the two to be his children? no
Relevant that the criminal was from a distant city? it's somewhat more likely that he was distant than local Are identity cards relevant? yes Is the fact that the teens were not adult relevant? FA, but explore this line of thinking Could it have worked were they in their adulthood (more than 21 aged)? yes Did the criminal pretend to be someone else? yes Was him asked to identify himself? not relevantly Stealing identity = mainly on the internet? no In real life? yes Relevant the age of the criminal? broadly

Yope to "give it back to them" = did he steal something that was in inside of the wallets? yope Of one of the two? correct; he did not come to possess anything from one of the two wallets Did he find both wallets? no Did he pretend no/claim see next answer to have found them? Did he claim to have found one of them? yes, beware FA Were there badges inside the wallets? Credit cards? Something giving access to an house? To a private place? irrelevant to all

Was the criminal caught? yope, define 'caught' If so had he got the wallets with him? yope Was his face noticed by a camera? Was him recognized? no to both was him accused DOYD for having stolen identity? yes For other crimes? no Did the criminal checked the identity of the owners of the wallets not both, but (or of the wallet if he found just one)? yes Did he find it in a supermarket? no Was it announced to anyone who had found a wallet to bring it to the lost and found? no

Was something relevant found inside the wallets that incriminated the crimal? yes
WAG --> he pretebded to be the dad of the two but they were actually orphans. lateral, but no

GalFisk

Did the criminal get in trouble DOYD because he assumed the identity of someone who was in trouble? yope, define 'trouble'
Were both wallets missing during overlapping periods of time? no Relevant? no
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Postby Earnest » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:58 am

So is legal age relevant? Is it 18? 21? Did the criminal think that it was 18? It was 21?
Was the wallet incriminating the criminal the one he claimed to have found (let's say wallet A)? The other(B)? Did he find something in wallet A? In wallet B? An identity card? A driving license? Is the absence of something relevant (e.g. he was driving but did not find a driving license)? Did he check wallet B? Can we assume wallet A to be empty a part from ID? Was wallet B the one of the sister? Was the criminal acting as "identity thief" with its own identity? Had the thief been identified before (he was requested to show up a document)? Had the thief been relevantly requested to show up a document (identity card?) in the course of the puzzle?

Can we assume the nationality of the two and the nationality of the man to be the same? Did the man fall in a trap? Organized by the police? Did the criminal have a wallet as well? Relevant?

Act of stealing identity = show up a fake document to someone?

Identity cards exchange relevant?
Are last names relevant? Did the police find wallet B? Did brother and sister (or the police?) promise a reward to the one having found wallet A? If so, did they do it in a way that it was simple to recognize whether he had stolen the identity of one of the two?

WAG --> the thief found wallet A. Brother and sister offered a reward to the one who would have found wallet B. Someone find it and the thief, claiming to be the brother took it promising the reward to the one having found it in the first place but instead run away to the brpther and sister in order to receive himself the reward.
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Re: [WiZ] WALL-Et

Postby peter365 » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:29 pm

Random thought , is organ donation relevant at all?
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Re: [WiZ] WALL-Et

Postby WiZ » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:05 pm

So is legal age relevant? yes Is it 18? 21? either would work - depending on the country in which this is set Did the criminal think that it was 18? It was 21? they were aware of the correct age
Was the wallet incriminating the criminal the one he claimed to have found (let's say wallet A)? yes The other(B)? no - at least, not directly Did he find something in wallet A? yes In wallet B? no - at least, not directly An identity card? yes A driving license? potentially; not really relevant Is the absence of something relevant (e.g. he was driving but did not find a driving license)? yes - beware timeframes here Did he check wallet B? no Can we assume wallet A to be empty a part from ID? Yes - there was nothing else of relevance in it Was wallet B the one of the sister? no Was the criminal acting as "identity thief" with its own identity? please rephrase Had the thief been identified before (he was requested to show up a document)? no Had the thief been relevantly requested to show up a document (identity card?) in the course of the puzzle? no

Can we assume the nationality of the two and the nationality of the man to be the same? yes (and it could be any country represented in the LTPF) Did the man fall in a trap? no Organized by the police? no Did the criminal have a wallet as well? Relevant? not relevant (although he probably did)

Act of stealing identity = show up a fake document to someone? yes (or the possession and use of a fake ID in general)

Identity cards exchange relevant? not quite, but explore
Are last names relevant? yes Did the police find wallet B? no Did brother and sister (or the police?) promise a reward to the one having found wallet A? not relevantly If so, did they do it in a way that it was simple to recognize whether he had stolen the identity of one of the two? n/a

WAG --> the thief found wallet A. Brother and sister offered a reward to the one who would have found wallet B. Someone find it and the thief, claiming to be the brother took it promising the reward to the one having found it in the first place but instead run away to the brpther and sister in order to receive himself the reward. very creative, but incorrect
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Postby Earnest » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:47 am

So I did not understand if he was driving but did not find a driving license in wallet A :) if so, was the car that ge was driving his car? Or is it something like: the brother was guest in an hotel and has left the key of the car to the valet. In order to receive the key of the car he needs to show his ID to the receptionist and the thief showed it up instead of him. But (maybe) they told the receptionist that, since they are always together, in order to obtain the keys both IDs must be shown.
Or again, they rent a car but told that the woman would have driven and (maybe) that day was the day in which they were supposed to return the car.

Are noble last names relevant? Did he show up the ID to the police? Alchol relevant? Betting?

Last names relevant = hispanic last names? Of another nation? Are the last name of the thief and of the two of different nationalities?
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Re: [WiZ] WALL-Et

Postby WiZ » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:56 pm

So I did not understand if he was driving nobody is driving at any relevant point in this puzzle but did not find a driving license in wallet A :) This statement is correct: the thief did not find a driving license in wallet A if so, was the car that ge was driving his car? Or is it something like: the brother was guest in an hotel and has left the key of the car to the valet. In order to receive the key of the car he needs to show his ID to the receptionist and the thief showed it up instead of him. But (maybe) they told the receptionist that, since they are always together, in order to obtain the keys both IDs must be shown.
Or again, they rent a car but told that the woman would have driven and (maybe) that day was the day in which they were supposed to return the car. none of these are correct

Are noble last names relevant? no Did he show up the ID to the police? Alchol relevant? Betting?

Last names relevant = hispanic last names? no Of another nation? no Are the last name of the thief and of the two of different nationalities? irrelevant
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